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00:22 blaise is the public server list and mod store broken in minetest-0.4.13 ?
00:24 rubenwardy no?
00:24 rubenwardy the mod store is
00:24 rubenwardy it's no longer online for any version
00:25 rubenwardy are you sure you've built with curl?
00:25 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest_game: Speed-up creative inventory initializing (~10x faster) b8333cf http://git.io/vRzPs (2015-12-06T00:22:12Z)
00:25 blaise yes
00:43 Fixer hmhm
00:55 Fixer this PC is so strange
00:55 Fixer no detected network adapters, nothing unknown
00:57 asl97 Fixer: i am guessing you broken your driver, check the device manager in the control panel
00:58 Fixer device manager is allright
00:58 Fixer batshit crazy nforce motherboard
01:00 Blekpug Building a bridge seems terribly hard. Am I missing a technique?
01:00 rubenwardy sneak building?
01:00 rubenwardy press shift, it slows you down and stops you falling off the end of a block
01:01 Fixer asl97, motherboard has problems, can halt on reboots for no reason
01:01 asl97 Fixer: you can try changing the driver in the device manager
01:01 Fixer also, integrated network could be broken
01:01 Fixer asl97, there is _nothing_ in driver manager
01:01 Fixer asl97, no network card, no unknown devices
01:02 Fixer looked in BIOS at practically everything
01:02 Fixer no lack
01:02 Fixer wth :(
01:02 Hirato heh, i find windows drivers pretty dodgy to be honest
01:02 asl97 boot into linux and use lspci
01:02 asl97 Fixer: ^
01:02 asl97 if linux doesn't detect it, then it's broken
01:02 Fixer it is some nvidia MCP67 network shit
01:02 Fixer i will try that
01:03 Hirato the nvidia driver crashes all the time there, and the sound driver is weird as hell; I plug in my head phones and it notices I've plugged something it, it shows a popup to that effect, but it doesn't initialise it properly at all; I have to go into the device manager to disable and then enable the device every time
01:04 Fixer also, last nvidia driver for that chipset BSODs at boot
01:04 Hirato that aside, been too scared to boot into windows ever since windows 10 was released >_>
01:04 Fixer funny
01:04 Fixer i will give it a try tommorrow
01:04 Fixer is there any fancy livecd?
01:04 asl97 any major distro is fine
01:05 blaise I'm particularly fond of grml livecd and systemrescuecd
01:05 blaise I use funtoo as an installed linux distro though
01:06 Fixer wait, I have HirenCD and it has PartedMagic :}
01:06 blaise awesome
01:07 Fixer PartedMagic is a small linux distro
01:08 blaise yeah, I wish it was still free
01:08 blaise they went commercial and charge for download now
01:09 blaise it's got a bunch of really cool utils on it
01:09 blaise one of my most commonly used ones was the ntpass program nested on freedos..
01:09 blaise people forget there passwords and are willing to pay money for people to get them back into their machines
01:11 Fixer good news is that I have a spare network card somewhere, so if i can plug into pci slot
01:11 Fixer bb
01:12 blaise I have usb, pci, micro pci, pcie, micro pcie, pcmcia, and cardbus network interface adapters
01:12 blaise it's disgusting
01:12 blaise I've used everything from a single copper wire, to a bidirectional parallel port to connect computers to a network
01:13 blaise bbl, gonna go play rift
01:13 blaise lmao
01:17 hawksquawks Ok got my server running thanks :)
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01:45 bleak_fire_ hi
01:45 bleak_fire_ i had a question about the protection mod, if anyone here can help me
01:45 bleak_fire_ are the protected doors supposed to be like the steel doors, or are they only supposed to be protected if the area is protected?
01:46 bleak_fire_ iron i mean
01:50 bleak_fire_ protector redo mod
01:52 LazyJ I'm only familiar with the Areas mod. With that mod, the regular doors can be opened by anyone with interact but they can not be permanently removed.
01:52 LazyJ Except by the Area owner or those with the "areas" priv.
01:53 bleak_fire_ ok
01:53 bleak_fire_ this is the one i'm using
01:53 LazyJ If there is enough lag, players can dig through nodes, gain entry, and then the protection mod catches up and fills the dug nodes back in.
01:53 bleak_fire_ https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp​;t=9376&sid=6bf35b374f329452f9021e6808c9dac6
01:54 bleak_fire_ because i upgraded to the new one with the trapdoor and i want to make sure it's working properly
01:54 bleak_fire_ it would seem to be but it says "nodes" so i'm not sure
01:54 LazyJ I haven't used that mod before so I have no idea.,
01:54 bleak_fire_ k
01:55 bleak_fire_ this is a brand new update, just released a few days ago
01:55 bleak_fire_ with the iron doors, only the player can open that door
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01:55 bleak_fire_ but with the protected doors in this mod, they seem to be openable, unless the area is protected by a logo
01:56 bleak_fire_ i dont know if that's to be expected or if i should report something, i don't really use protected doors so i wasnt paying attention
01:56 LazyJ TenPlus1 operates the Xanadu server. Try logging in and ask the folks there.
02:01 behalebabo bleak_fire_: Protected doors work with protection, if there is no protection then anyone can open them, othewise only the people in the protection can
02:02 bleak_fire_ ok
02:02 bleak_fire_ it's not like the iron doors then, where only the placer can open them
02:02 behalebabo yes, iron doors are limited to one player only, but protected doors can be used by all members in a protected area
02:03 bleak_fire_ ok
02:03 bleak_fire_ and that would be the logo or block only, not something you added to the doors and trapdoors themselves??
02:04 behalebabo yes
02:04 bleak_fire_ ok good
02:04 bleak_fire_ working as expected then
02:04 bleak_fire_ thank you
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09:37 Krock "I Would like to stay but my daywillsuck-o-meter is going off"
09:37 Krock But isn't it good when the suck-o-meter goes off?
09:41 Obani Krock, that's why he leaves :p
09:44 Krock Obani, he returned..
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10:00 Obani Krock, I don't mind, I didn' know wwho were you talking about
10:01 Krock Obani, oh right. You joined after he left
10:01 Obani he = ?
10:01 Krock talking about CWz
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10:30 Blekpug What is ABM?
10:30 Blekpug "Adding lots of ABMs can cause a lot of lag"
10:33 Obani Blekpug, If I understand it well, and ABM is an action acting permanently on map and made with a mod
10:33 Obani Example : flowers and trees growing
10:33 Obani Mobs spawning
10:34 Blekpug So many moonflowers makes your map slow? http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods:Nature#Moon_Flower_.5Bmoonflower.5D_by_MirceaKitsune
10:35 Obani Of course
10:35 Obani Cause it means manys ABMs of flowers growing at the same time
10:35 Obani And acting permanently on the server
10:37 Blekpug Is it different from the case of apple trees?
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10:40 MinetestBot [git] zhangjunphy -> minetest/minetest: Fix spelling of noise_threshold a78dd7f http://git.io/vRgpl (2015-12-06T11:38:03+01:00)
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10:42 hicoleri Is there a PPA repo for mods for minetest?
10:43 Obani I think but if I remember well it's not really updated
10:43 Krock hicoleri, most of them are on GitHub, so no PPA needed
10:44 hicoleri krock: okay
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10:53 Blekpug How is the player respawn point chosen?  I notice it is not at /home
10:54 Blekpug Can the respawn point be moved by the player?
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11:03 Ingar anything recent in git that's worth uipdating for ?
11:11 Blekpug Someone wish to commend a crafting guide? I'm seeking one.
11:12 Ingar there's this simple one
11:12 Ingar that places some kind of sign you can click to get crafting guide
11:14 Ingar Blekpug: http://cornernote.github.io/minetest-craft_guide/
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11:39 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> BlockMen/minetest_next: Add search field to creative inventory 3df5fc9 http://git.io/vR2LC (2015-12-06T12:03:18+01:00)
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11:54 Blekpug Ropes mod crashed
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12:01 Fixer back
12:06 Blekpug If you remove a mod which provides items, is there a convenient way to clean the world of unknown items?
12:13 Fixer ... and lspci shows absence of network :/
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12:14 kaeza o/
12:19 Fixer o\
12:21 * Fixer has no idea what is going on
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12:33 luizrpgluiz hi :)
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12:41 Blekpug 3D toches mod gives error.
12:41 Calinou Blekpug, try Carbone Torches
12:48 Obani Blekpug, try /clearobjects
12:48 Obani (for what you asked upper)
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13:03 Blekpug Thanks everyone.
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13:09 Blekpug Idea: straw could cushion falls
13:09 Blekpug wool also
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13:30 Fixer that network card is working again after full PC disconnect from power
13:32 Krock best disconnect when the PC is still running
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13:44 Krock uh oh
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13:46 Matsetes Hi! Is it possible that the pine trees delete the block under the sapling when growing?
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13:47 Krock Matsetes, yeah. That happens with some trees - so no wonder, the pine tree does the same
13:47 Matsetes How to fix that?
13:49 Krock Is it a MTG tree?
13:49 Matsetes MTG?
13:49 Krock minetest_game
13:50 Matsetes Yes
13:50 Matsetes Oh, well, I think so
13:50 Matsetes Is it possibile that plantlife replace them?
13:51 Krock use F5, then point on the trunk. If the texture starts with default: it's an MTG one
13:51 Matsetes I will see immediately
13:52 Krock because if it's an MTG pine tree, it's quite impossible: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game​/blob/master/mods/default/trees.lua#L347
13:52 CWz Just found out that voxelands no has public server list which by default announces to the public server list. really this should have been mention of this. where is the voxelands channel
13:52 Krock lowest tree block is where the sapling stoodf
13:52 Krock *stood
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13:54 Krock CWz, on the website. irc.entropynet.net #voxelands
13:56 Krock !c math.e**math.pi-math.pi
13:56 Krock MinetestBot!
13:56 MinetestBot 19.99909997918947
13:56 MinetestBot Krock!
13:56 Krock Quite late, this answer :/
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14:12 CWz welp as far as i can tell voxelands doens't have the option of setting server_announce to false as far as I can tell
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14:18 Krock editing the source may help
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14:59 Blekpug How can I adjust the frequency at which coal occurs in the map?
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15:00 Blekpug Alternatively, I could adjust the lighting distance of torches
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15:21 Krock Blekpug, starting at which depth?
15:22 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game​/blob/master/mods/default/mapgen.lua#L136
15:22 Krock lower 'clust_scarcity' = higher frequency
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16:01 Matsetes Krock it's the default pine
16:02 Matsetes And I've seen three of them in the act of growing and destroying the block under them replacing it with the wood
16:05 Matsetes Ah, I use mapgen v7
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16:14 rubenwardy fuck. look at that lag line: http://minetest.rubenwardy.com/stats/
16:21 Krock 160 players lag
16:21 Krock interesting time unit
16:24 rubenwardy it's ms x 100, iirc
16:26 Matsetes Krock ? Did you read?
16:27 Matsetes I am really loosing a lot of dirt blocks with that bug (cause I really think it's a bug)
16:28 Krock Matsetes, yes I did. But the code says something different
16:34 Matsetes So where did the problem come from?
16:35 Matsetes Is it possible that another mod causes the tree to grow that way?
16:37 Krock maybe
16:37 Matsetes Even if the tree is the default one?
16:38 Krock any mod could place default stuff
16:39 Krock and override public functions
16:41 Matsetes Uhmmm I will ask VanessaE (if I find her) if her plantlife can cause this bug
16:41 Matsetes Cause I think is the only mod that have the interest to work on trees
16:42 VanessaE no, it probably can't.
16:42 VanessaE :P
16:42 Matsetes Lol, hi!
16:42 VanessaE hi
16:42 Matsetes If it's not that mod... Which one?
16:43 VanessaE the only combination I can think of in plantlife involving trees and default nodes is the beech tree from the moretrees mod, and it's disabled by default.
16:43 Matsetes VanessaE, I am using mapgen v7 and the problem seems to afflict only pine trees
16:43 VanessaE let me guess
16:43 VanessaE the bottom-most node is replaced?
16:43 Matsetes Yes
16:44 VanessaE update your minetest engine
16:44 Matsetes The node under the tree
16:44 VanessaE paramat fixed that bug a while ago
16:44 VanessaE (it affects jungle trees too)
16:44 Matsetes Ok! Krock told me it was not from the default game
16:44 Krock I didn't say that
16:44 VanessaE update that, too
16:44 Matsetes Perhaps he was thinking of the latest one
16:44 VanessaE I don't remember if it was a change in the tree schematic or in the engine
16:44 Krock It's just that the current MTG code says something different in my eyes
16:45 Matsetes Oh, Krock, anyway thanks =)
16:45 Krock :/ np
16:45 Matsetes And thanks VanessaE
16:45 VanessaE yw
16:47 Matsetes Another question, now that I am here...
16:48 Matsetes Is it normal that grass spawns and spreads very very quickly?
16:49 Matsetes I always have to harvest it and that is so boring and time wasting
16:50 VanessaE do you mean jungle grass?
16:50 Matsetes No, normal grass
16:50 VanessaE not sure
16:50 Matsetes The one which gives wheat seeds
16:50 VanessaE I've never heard of that kind of grass being able to spread
16:51 Matsetes Well, if it doesn't spread it sure spawns
16:51 Matsetes I have regularly to clean...
16:51 VanessaE well you're running plantlife, so it's gonna spawn a LOT of grass, but only at mapgen time
16:51 VanessaE (which if your machine is slow, could be as much as 5 minutes after a given block has been emerged)
16:52 Matsetes I don't know about jungle grass, cause my house is far away from it
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16:52 Matsetes Emerged? In which sense?
16:52 VanessaE generated for the first time.
16:52 Matsetes Okay I know that
16:53 VanessaE guess I should be specific :)
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16:54 Matsetes For example I built a house, surrounded by walls, but I left the floor with dirt-with-grass and I cleaned all the grass
16:54 Matsetes Later there was grass in that room
16:55 VanessaE odd
16:55 VanessaE of course you shouldn't make a floor our of dirt-with-grass anyway
16:55 VanessaE (if you REALLY need it, use moreblocks' fake grass)
16:56 Matsetes Okay, it was an example =D
16:56 VanessaE because even if the grass hadn't spread there, flowers eventually would have :)
16:56 VanessaE but I get the point
16:56 Matsetes But flowers have to be near, no?
16:56 VanessaE yes
16:56 VanessaE last I knew
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16:59 Matsetes Is it possible that farming mod changes that grass stuff?
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17:07 Krock gawd.. rewriting the mod crawler API isn't that asy as I expected :<
17:07 Krock *easy
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18:57 paramat Matsetes yes update to latest MTGame if you can, now all sapling-grown trees don't replace dirt. however mapgen trees still have a root in the ground and this is causing ugly holes so i will fix that too
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19:10 Krock MinetestBot!
19:10 Krock dat lag
19:10 MinetestBot Krock!
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19:23 Obani rubenwardy, Is there a teamchat command in ctf_pvp_engine ?
19:23 Fixer LOL
19:23 Fixer what kind of as-hole is installing javaw.exe in system32 directory, wtf?
19:23 Fixer for banking program
19:24 Krock delete system32.
19:24 rubenwardy Obani, /t
19:24 Fixer right away
19:24 Obani rubenwardy, nice
19:24 rubenwardy it's defined in ctf_chat
19:25 Fixer before that: i wanted to make clean install, installed java 8, ... and it won't detect it... good to have zipped backup ;)
19:26 Obani rubenwardy, you should remove those reloads :/
19:26 Obani (map reloads)
19:26 Obani They create HUUUUGE lags
19:27 Obani afk
19:27 Fixer oh gwad, i need to manually install 130 updates, because builtin tool is broken
19:28 rubenwardy If you don't reset the map, then there will be junk left over. So I'm a bit stuck
19:28 Krock repair builtin tool first?
19:32 Fixer Krock, how? it shows me updates but Next button greyed out :}
19:32 Krock lol
19:32 Fixer they are trolling me
19:33 Fixer now i need to download gigabyte of updates
19:33 Krock Did you ask your friend for a solution? (google)
19:34 Fixer i've looked at google briefly
19:34 Fixer good it is unbanned me
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19:38 Obani rubenwardy, but you reload it with another seed, don't you ?
19:38 Obani rubenwardy, maybe should you add a waiting time of 20 seconds for the map can generate properly ?
19:38 Obani afk
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19:40 Obani rubenwardy, removing grass and their ABM should light the server a bit :) (and so the lags)
19:42 rubenwardy Obani, it's the same seed. I'm planning on removing the grass ABM but I need a better mapgen iirc
19:42 Obani afk
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20:21 Fixer found a link to update installer \o/ no need to download 120 updates, installer is 700mb exe
20:21 twoelk yay all the minetest videos I recorded with kazam on xubuntu look are black and white with a psychodelic color patern overlay in windows - that is if they run at all
20:21 rubenwardy lol
20:21 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/se​arch.php?search_id=egosearch
20:21 rubenwardy "egosearch"
20:21 Obani twoelk, don't use Kazam
20:22 Obani use simplescreenrecorder
20:22 rubenwardy I use it to get the topics which I have recently replied to
20:22 rubenwardy +1 for simplescreenrecorder
20:22 rubenwardy never had a problem
20:22 twoelk hmm
20:23 rubenwardy 10/10. Once I tried it, I never went back to my old recorder.
20:23 rubenwardy money back guarantee
20:23 Obani And it is very light
20:23 twoelk some of this weird stuff looks pretty cool in a verry gothic way
20:25 Obani twoelk, seriously, use simplescreenrecorder. Easy, to compile, easy to make work, lag-less and rare bugs
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20:27 twoelk hmm I might champion them strange videos harrison used to post with these :-D
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20:54 Obani rubenwardy, Do you think a craft_guide would be a good add for the ctf ?
20:55 rubenwardy I don't think that there should be enough craftable things to make a craft guide worth while. I'd like more of a multichoice crafter, where it shows all the outputs possible with your current inv
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21:31 rubenwardy I always forget to write "cmd" when doing IRC commands :(
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21:44 Fixer ._.
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22:00 nolsen Ubuntu is the best OS <3
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22:17 JohnnyComeL8ly !server linuxgaming2
22:17 MinetestBot JohnnyComeL8ly: LinuxGaming2.com | LinuxGaming2.com | Clients: 0/15, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 100ms
22:22 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Remove root from mapgen trees and large cactus 25e1f84 http://git.io/vRVdG (2015-12-06T22:19:23Z)
22:23 nolsen ...I just compiled minetest.
22:23 BlockMen nolsen : no need to recompile, its just lua ^
22:23 BlockMen or better,  a binary file
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22:25 JohnnyComeL8ly BlockMen, I'd be hard pressed to say it better than that.
22:27 BlockMen :)
22:27 JohnnyComeL8ly :-D
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22:32 MinetestBot [git] BlockMen -> BlockMen/minetest_next: Add some new sounds by @IngarKCT bafe9ce http://git.io/vRVF5 (2015-12-06T23:30:11+01:00)
22:33 Fixer aaaaaa
22:34 Fixer corpse is moving!
22:34 JohnnyComeL8ly Fixer, didya think you were caught up on the MT compiling?
22:34 Fixer nope
22:34 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, ok, which one?
22:34 Fixer MT one
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22:43 BlockMen oh, wow. since first release of my creatures mod it got nearly 12000 times downloaded o.O
22:44 afflatus How long ago did you release it?
22:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Just some random folks with amnesia and big hard drives.... ;-)
22:45 JohnnyComeL8ly BlockMen: (Above is the reason why....)
22:45 BlockMen first version was released 2014-04-27 13:36:21
22:45 BlockMen JohnnyComeL8ly, seems reasonable ^^
22:46 JohnnyComeL8ly Totally, right? :-D
22:46 afflatus Not too shabby ;)
22:46 BlockMen yes
22:47 JohnnyComeL8ly So, not even a year....
22:47 harrison twoelk thank u 4 saying that
22:47 BlockMen JohnnyComeL8ly : umm, we have december 2015...
22:48 BlockMen its more than a year
22:49 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, duh... I got this year's number mixed up: what a way to go down. :-]
22:50 afflatus Now known as: JohnnyComeL7ly
22:51 JohnnyComeL8ly rofl
22:52 BlockMen hmm...w/e. 597 since nov 16th 2015 seems not bad at all :)
22:52 JohnnyComeL8ly afflatus subtracticus, who's next? ;-)
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23:18 afflatus !server name:"Grail Test"
23:18 MinetestBot afflatus: No results
23:18 afflatus I thought not
23:19 afflatus I wish I knew why server_announce rarely works
23:19 JohnnyComeL8ly !server "Grail Test"
23:19 MinetestBot JohnnyComeL8ly: No results
23:39 rubenwardy !server Grail Test
23:39 MinetestBot rubenwardy: No results
23:39 rubenwardy !server GrailTest
23:40 rubenwardy !server Capture the Flag
23:40 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag (Guns!) | minetest.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 11/19, 14/19 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 1ms
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23:44 afflatus !server addr:grailtest.gigaworld.org
23:44 MinetestBot afflatus: No results
23:44 afflatus Possibly wrong syntax fot that?
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23:47 afflatus Oh I see, it won't find it if server_announce isn't doing its job
23:56 afflatus The only thing I can think of is that my version of minetest-server may have been compiled with a different version of curl. Not a biggie right now.

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