Time Nick Message 00:00 LazyJ After a bit of searching, it looks like benrob0329 is *not* allowed to make any money from using anything that is CC-by-NC: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ 00:01 sofar nc == non commercial 00:02 LazyJ Another set of examples in layman's terms: http://mollykleinman.com/2008/08/21/cc-howto-2-how-to-use-a-work-with-a-noncommercial-license/ 00:02 LazyJ 00:03 LazyJ Where I get confused is by what they mean by "use". 00:04 LazyJ If I post a YouTube video of me driving a nail into a 2x4 with a "MasterCraftsman" brand hammer, am I supposed to pay royalties to MasterCraftsman? 00:06 LazyJ If benrob uses a mod or texture pack in his YouTube video, he's not selling the mod or the texture pack. In fact, he's not selling anything at all - Google is. It is Google who decides what ads to put in the adsense slots. It is Google who gets paid first and then, if benrob gets enough views, clicks, or whatever metric is used, then he gets a tiny sliver of Google's ad revenues. 00:20 JohnnyComeL8ly LazyJ, in the article you quoted I think it gives room for benrob to do what he's doing. 00:20 JohnnyComeL8ly "What seems to trip people up about the NonCommercial licenses is the difference between “non-commercial” and “not-for-profit.” " 00:20 JohnnyComeL8ly " It’s possible to operate in a non-profit setting and make a commercial use of a work, and it’s also possible to work in a for-profit setting and make a non-commercial use." 00:21 LazyJ From the "Three pairs of mini examples" paragraph, example number 3: "Using a photo on a personal website that has no ads = Non-commercial 00:21 LazyJ Using a photo on an ad-supported website = Commercial" 00:23 LazyJ That last part, "Using a photo on an *ad-supported* (ie, monetizing with Google's AdSense) website = Commercial" is the trip-up. 00:23 JohnnyComeL8ly Well... I suppose that it is an issue. And I think you are right. 00:24 LazyJ I want my creative works protected too but I'd also like to make some extra income from YouTube someday. 00:24 JohnnyComeL8ly I think that that use is reasonable, but you can't do that with that license. 00:25 JohnnyComeL8ly C'y'all l8er! 00:25 LazyJ Aye. That is why I am asking here, for a broader range of opinions and experiences on the matter. 00:25 LazyJ Take care, Johnny ;) 00:25 JohnnyComeL8ly Gonna finish up Princess Bride (BD) with the fam. 00:26 JohnnyComeL8ly :-) 00:37 swift110 cool 00:47 rubenwardy Added league tables, end of match summary, readded furnaces, timeout for flag hoggers, fixed "Team X won!" messages being hidden by "player joined team X" messages. 00:55 est31 flag hoggers? 00:55 est31 the person who owns the flag? 01:04 rubenwardy If a person holds the flag for more than 7 minutes, then it is returned 01:04 rubenwardy because I've found that people capture the flag, then go mining 01:05 est31 yup did it too 01:06 est31 but usually the whole other team knows where the person owning the flag is, they can find them I guess 01:06 est31 if they really wanted. 01:07 est31 7 mins are a good limit though 01:40 VanessaE est31: DI3HARD likes your mapper util :) 01:43 est31 :) 01:48 rubenwardy my thoughts est31 01:48 rubenwardy When originally creating it, I thought that not having a limit would be fine 01:48 rubenwardy but user feedback says otherwise 01:52 est31 also note that I've passed the red wall between both parties, by simply jumping over it :) 01:53 est31 got teleported back to the flag :) 01:56 rubenwardy my view range is so good now 01:56 rubenwardy est31, that shouldn't be possible XD 01:56 rubenwardy do you play as est31? 01:57 est31 no 01:57 rubenwardy my view range has increased massively recently 01:58 rubenwardy maybe it's just because I'm on a server? Idk 02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly I would you, of all people, would know better, rubenwardy.... 02:05 rubenwardy huh? 02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly Sry 02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly I would think that you, of all people, would know better, rubenwardy.... 02:06 rubenwardy about what? 02:06 JohnnyComeL8ly I got ahead of myself there. 02:06 JohnnyComeL8ly About the increased viewing range change. 02:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Certainly not about the polar bear with mange. 02:07 JohnnyComeL8ly ;-0 06:43 sofar is default:cloud actually used by anything at the moment? 06:44 VanessaE nope 06:46 RealBadAngel hi Ve 06:46 VanessaE hi 07:09 sofar is there a way to have a recipe that requires one box to have N items (where N > 1) ? 07:09 VanessaE no 07:10 CWz hey VanessaE 07:10 VanessaE hi 07:30 sofar hmm, I just made a really simple carpet mod by modifying the default wool mod 07:30 sofar reuse the same textures as wool, made them nodebox so you can carpet a wall too 07:30 sofar not sure why that isn't part of default 08:25 RealBadAngel sofar, make flying carpets ;) 08:26 sofar not my style, RBA, not my style 08:26 RealBadAngel lol 08:27 RealBadAngel mt has reach the stage when simple new content nodes are just not enough imho 08:27 RealBadAngel we desperately need client side modding 08:27 RealBadAngel for mobs and entities to respond faster 08:27 sofar that's why I'm just writing a game, instead of modding random server sire mobs 08:27 sofar it's all disjoint 08:28 RealBadAngel and to create new, i mean entirely new kind of content 08:28 sofar well, see my forum post 08:28 RealBadAngel link? 08:28 sofar I want to make something cohesive 08:28 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13677 08:28 sofar I'm not looking to do cool new stuff 08:28 sofar I'm looking to delete all the junk from the good mods 08:29 RealBadAngel on it 08:29 sofar and combine the good parts 08:29 sofar sorry, very long read 08:29 sofar right now I'm pruning minetest_game down to something I find acceptable 08:29 sofar after that I'll grow it bit by bit 08:30 RealBadAngel fast notice: theres seasons mod out there 08:30 sofar yeah, I also found a really decent weather implementation 08:30 RealBadAngel ive seen screenshots this week 08:31 sofar there's quite a few really good mods out there 08:31 RealBadAngel ofc 08:31 RealBadAngel mods database is quite large already 08:31 RealBadAngel you have mentioned cleanin the mods 08:32 RealBadAngel how could you do that if mod has collected yrs of commits and content? 08:32 Ingar it's also minetest greatest weakness 08:32 sofar RealBadAngel: I'm just starting a new minetest_game, and merging/cleaning as I go 08:33 sofar the outcome will be coherent, but some commits will end up squashed 08:33 sofar tbh, some stuff is almost better rewritten 08:33 RealBadAngel sofar, in no time you will end with conflicts 08:33 sofar I just added acacia/pine/jungle wood fences in 20 minutes 08:33 sofar and carpets based on default:wool nod 08:34 RealBadAngel do notice that mod maintainers wont likelely go for your subgame 08:34 sofar absolutely 08:34 sofar I don't care 08:34 sofar I do not even want people to attempt 08:34 RealBadAngel so you will have to resolve conflicts all over 08:34 sofar it's going to be a subgame for people without mods 08:34 sofar actually single player will be more of a focus 08:35 RealBadAngel for single player games to be attractive.... well : mobs 08:35 RealBadAngel otherwise player will drop it, sooner or later 08:35 sofar absolutely 08:35 RealBadAngel also, loosing items on death 08:36 sofar yes, I'll likely end up doing that 08:36 sofar no starting items either 08:36 RealBadAngel theres a mod for that in my repo 08:36 sofar that's not that hard 08:36 sofar I think I've seen that 08:36 RealBadAngel i mean, make the game hard 08:36 sofar no bones mod as well 08:36 RealBadAngel whats easy, doesnt bound player too much to it 08:37 RealBadAngel game has to be hard, with simple steps, taken one by one 08:37 RealBadAngel harder to get them, the better 08:37 sofar why can't I find mushrooms... hmmmmmm 08:38 RealBadAngel are they rare? need lotsa them? build a mushroom farm 08:38 RealBadAngel one of the examples 08:38 sofar no, missing from creative inventory 08:38 RealBadAngel but you got the point 08:40 RealBadAngel when game is easy, sunday evening player will spent a few hours and "finish" it 08:40 RealBadAngel make him work at least a few weeks 08:40 RealBadAngel give him reasons to go back and work each day 08:41 RealBadAngel i know that mt has no goals, since its sandbox 08:41 RealBadAngel but most of the players do not have such high levels of creativity to name own goals 08:42 RealBadAngel i do really miss in mt engine built electronics 08:43 RealBadAngel ive played mc for a few years 08:43 sofar right 08:43 RealBadAngel with RedPower2 mod i was building tree farm, damn big, controlled by red logic 08:44 RealBadAngel it took me circa 3 months to complete the damn thing 08:45 RealBadAngel under the nice building were big damn caves, all filled with logic gates and wires 08:46 RealBadAngel i do miss that 08:47 sofar so do I 08:47 sofar not sure if initially I'll get to something like that 08:47 sofar but, certainly in addition 08:48 sofar I always felt that even in MC redstone was critical to the singleplayer experience 08:48 RealBadAngel goals, goals and once again goals 08:48 RealBadAngel but more hidden the better 08:48 sofar right 08:48 RealBadAngel player have to think hes making decisions 08:48 sofar no commandblocks 08:49 RealBadAngel makin demands of resources if one way 08:49 RealBadAngel also kinda leveling 08:49 RealBadAngel get 30th lev to get recipe for the wheel 08:50 RealBadAngel hey, thats actually something new in mt 08:50 sofar I've thought about learnable crafting recipes 08:50 RealBadAngel level of player and crafting recipe requirements 08:51 RealBadAngel so newbie cannot make a wheel for example 08:52 RealBadAngel wb est31 08:52 RealBadAngel est31, could you scroll up and read #minetest log? 08:55 est31 RealBadAngel, what precisely should I read? 08:56 RealBadAngel sofar/me 08:57 sofar fair warning I should be in bed by now 08:57 RealBadAngel est31, imho minetest is for the long time (too long) simple new nodes, no creativity 09:05 kaeza o/ 09:19 amadin Hi all. How to run server under gdb? 09:19 est31 amadin, get a debug build 09:19 amadin i was get 09:19 est31 then call gdb --args 09:19 est31 then type "r" and enter 09:19 est31 then it runs 09:20 amadin thanks 09:20 est31 once there is a crash you type "bt" to get a backtrace 09:20 amadin i wan not know about r 09:20 est31 best you use VE's script 09:52 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Wildlife Conservation Day! 😃 09:54 est31 Wildlife can live in towns 09:54 est31 problem solved 09:54 est31 !next 09:54 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 09:54 est31 10:34 jj23677 Hi guys anyone here from linuxgaming2.com server? 10:45 kilbith someone knows if there's any existing "on_player_teleport"-like method ? 10:49 rubenwardy don't think so: http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html#global-callback-registration-functions 10:50 kilbith could be useful when a player is attached to a node and get teleported.. 10:51 kilbith your modding book is worth to be the new official documentation 10:54 rubenwardy thanks 11:13 est31 I use his modding book to look up docs when I develop minetest 11:14 est31 open the txt only rarely 11:14 est31 kilbith, about the teleport if attached thingy: current attachement code is quite bad, unfortunately. 11:14 est31 fixing is hard I think 11:14 est31 but didnt have an overly close look 11:16 kilbith i'll set a formspec button for detaching the node 11:16 kilbith poor workaround though 11:26 kaeza -Responses may take a while, be patient | +Responses may take a while, \2be FUCKING patient\2 11:26 kaeza oh well, was reading scrollback anyway 11:27 kaeza curse you HexChat 11:27 kaeza also, mornings 12:13 rubenwardy new website bg: http://rubenwardy.com/ 12:13 rubenwardy (JS required for bg) 12:19 Calinou nice background 12:27 rubenwardy not particularly original XD 12:30 twoelk hmm, I guess whatever I have up on the internet needs a massive redo :-( 12:30 twoelk nothing of my stuff seems to look good or work on a smartphone screen 12:33 rubenwardy <3 responsive design 12:37 * twoelk is having fun with hook's law and projectiles 12:39 Ingar Hooke's law for springs? 12:39 Ingar rubenwardy: also, congratulations for having a site that works in lynx :) 12:41 twoelk hm, the gravity page ia doing things I don't understand 12:45 twoelk ok, one ball is in a nice orbit now - but how did I do that? 12:49 twoelk uh, they are boincing off the window borders? 12:50 twoelk what kinda moon is that? 13:03 twoelk ? I have somehow - lost - an orbitor - eh, Major Tom? Do you read me? 13:03 Ingar it was no moon 13:04 rubenwardy you 13:04 rubenwardy you won't get the full experience in lynx XD 13:04 rubenwardy I just made my website readable to search engines 13:04 rubenwardy and didn't rely on JS for content 13:05 twoelk can I search for my lost purple orb? 13:06 rubenwardy heh 13:06 rubenwardy open the JS console 13:06 rubenwardy type game.entities 13:06 rubenwardy I think 13:06 rubenwardy will give you a list of positions 13:07 rubenwardy but I gtg now 13:07 rubenwardy [off] my lecture started 7 minutes ago... 13:07 * Ingar counting down: 3hrs before the weekend begins 13:08 Ingar it's a nice surprise though, when I woke up this morning it felt likewednesday 13:47 nicoalta01 hi 14:15 Leoneof hello 14:15 Leoneof why i am here? O_o 14:25 twoelk you might not really be - maybe you are just dreaming 14:41 Leoneof twoelk: where's your home in minetest? 16:18 Fixer o_O 16:18 Fixer O_o 16:18 Fixer no esm, no jt, so boring :} 16:46 Calinou https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/17 16:47 Calinou they deleted my :suspect: comment 16:47 Calinou :finnadie: 16:49 Fixer :trollface: 18:21 Krock Hello 18:37 Calinou https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/165 18:37 Calinou lol, master/slave debate 18:47 Fixer is this related to gay or whatever? 18:48 VanessaE it's related to people who get butthurt over industry terms 18:51 Fixer ah 19:08 Fixer This release will also send you hunting for your network drives since those no longer appear in the sidebar by default. In the words of GNOME's announcement, this was done to "reduce clutter." 19:08 Fixer guh 19:44 Jordach Krock, ayy lmao 19:44 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=200790#p200790 19:46 Krock \o/ Jordach, yet another lovely blender work! 19:47 Jordach Krock, old school 19:47 Jordach like real oldscjool 19:47 Jordach it was when i had that evil pentium 4 machine 19:47 Jordach (mid 2013 era render) 19:48 Krock well, then it's no wonder you don't give a shit about it :3 19:48 Jordach i stopped giving a shit trying to defend my sht 19:48 Jordach if it's on the net - it's going to get copied, stolen 20:05 sofar is there a way to determine if a block is under an open sky? differently phrased: does the light level at night for a block go to 0? 20:07 Calinou sofar, no, it's 4 IIRC 20:09 sofar I'm adding node light to my inspector so I can verify 20:10 sofar it's 2 20:33 twoelk ugh, how can I quickly dissable lava? 20:33 Calinou twoelk, you can't 20:33 twoelk shit 20:34 twoelk something like restarting with dissable_lava to fix some griefing would make things easier 20:36 twoelk you just can't let them kids alone :-D 20:57 twoelk ok, for the records - just temporarly commented out all the lava_flowing stuff in deftault-nodes and fixed the spill - there must be a more convenient way 20:58 twoelk I just wonder why someone wants to burn the only oasis with trees in my desert map? 21:04 Fixer LibertyLand admin request!11 21:26 Fixer request fulfilled 21:47 Krock Received this just now: http://esfriki.com/f/a6LXLbR_700b.jpg 21:48 Krock It's all a question of the design 21:51 sofar hmmm, I can't figure out where the fencelike mesh is defined, anyone happen to know ? 22:14 Fixer Krock, win 10 sp1 will be swas*ka compatible 22:15 Krock Fixer, ehm, what's "swas*ka"? 22:16 Fixer Krock, nazi swastika 22:16 Fixer Krock, i don't like direction MS is moving 22:17 Krock Lol. Yeah, it would actually result in such a form. 22:17 Krock Evolution of the button is quite interesting - what will come next? Pressed-in buttons? 22:24 Fixer Krock, probably they will reinvent the wheel in some future 22:25 Krock xD 22:25 Fixer Sokomine, hi, have you build under Hias nickname? 22:27 Fixer Krock, but no time for this... because... new hype is ahead! tablets are dying!11 we are moving into post-post-PC world and post-tablet world 22:27 Krock omg! Invent quantum computers!!11!!!11 22:27 Fixer now we are moving into shitty crap smartphones is a future territory 22:28 Krock Make everything so small and thin you could eat it without worry!!11one1!! 22:28 Fixer and after few years when revenues will decline there will be post-post-post-PC world, post-post-tablet world, post-smartphone world with a new hype, OS on a watch or whatever shit they slap on it and pervert everything to milk even more money 22:29 Fixer or crap like "smart foucet" or whatever 22:29 Krock lol 22:30 Fixer https://twitter.com/internetofshit 22:30 Fixer fun read 22:31 Fixer and one day people will just refuse buying that shit, because old one is good enough, and no, I don't need fridge with linux 22:31 Krock Hacked barbie!! 22:33 Fixer Krock, reading that i can only wonder: WHYY? 22:34 Krock Fixer, same goes for the cat measure thing - how useless can this get? 22:34 Fixer Krock, but but people will love it11 22:34 Fixer it is like toaster with linux 22:34 Krock yeah sure 22:34 Fixer you can make a nice server 22:34 Fixer with minetest in it 22:34 Fixer ._. 22:35 Krock https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQceHcAU8AAGhf6.jpg broken apple logo 22:37 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS62l5_W4AAlZr0.png:large i'm not sure if it is trolling or else 22:38 Krock either install an app or just turn it off and on again .. 22:58 Sokomine cat measure? 23:00 Sokomine a watch as a real computer would be very nice in a way. someting i'd love to have. but...there's just not enough physical space for display and input (even tablets don't have enough of that), and the only way these things seem to be used for is to measure body parameters and give them to companies 23:19 twoelk actually some of them things you can wrap around your wrist are real computers. You can load different software with different functions onto them and the display can show whatever is needed. Informing about current time is just a minor function