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00:00 LazyJ After a bit of searching, it looks like benrob0329 is *not* allowed to make any money from using anything that is CC-by-NC:  https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/
00:01 sofar nc == non commercial
00:02 LazyJ Another set of examples in layman's terms:   http://mollykleinman.com/2008/08/21/cc-howto-2-​how-to-use-a-work-with-a-noncommercial-license/
00:02 LazyJ
00:03 LazyJ Where I get confused is by what they mean by "use".
00:04 LazyJ If I post a YouTube video of me driving a nail into a 2x4 with a "MasterCraftsman" brand hammer, am I supposed to pay royalties to MasterCraftsman?
00:06 LazyJ If benrob uses a mod or texture pack in his YouTube video, he's not selling the mod or the texture pack. In fact, he's not selling anything at all - Google is. It is Google who decides what ads to put in the adsense slots. It is Google who gets paid first and then, if benrob gets enough views, clicks, or whatever metric is used, then he gets a tiny sliver of Google's ad revenues.
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00:20 JohnnyComeL8ly LazyJ, in the article you quoted I think it gives room for benrob to do what he's doing.
00:20 JohnnyComeL8ly "What seems to trip people up about the NonCommercial licenses is the difference between “non-commercial” and “not-for-profit.” "
00:20 JohnnyComeL8ly " It’s possible to operate in a non-profit setting and make a commercial use of a work, and it’s also possible to work in a for-profit setting and make a non-commercial use."
00:21 LazyJ From the "Three pairs of mini examples" paragraph, example number 3: "Using a photo on a personal website that has no ads = Non-commercial
00:21 LazyJ Using a photo on an ad-supported website = Commercial"
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00:23 LazyJ That last part, "Using a photo on an *ad-supported* (ie, monetizing with Google's AdSense) website = Commercial" is the trip-up.
00:23 JohnnyComeL8ly Well... I suppose that it is an issue.  And I think you are right.
00:24 LazyJ I want my creative works protected too but I'd also like to make some extra income from YouTube someday.
00:24 JohnnyComeL8ly I think that that use is reasonable, but you can't do that with that license.
00:25 JohnnyComeL8ly C'y'all l8er!
00:25 LazyJ Aye. That is why I am asking here, for a broader range of opinions and experiences on the matter.
00:25 LazyJ Take care, Johnny ;)
00:25 JohnnyComeL8ly Gonna finish up Princess Bride (BD) with the fam.
00:26 JohnnyComeL8ly :-)
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00:37 swift110 cool
00:47 rubenwardy Added league tables, end of match summary, readded furnaces, timeout for flag hoggers, fixed "Team X won!" messages being hidden by "player joined team X" messages.
00:55 est31 flag hoggers?
00:55 est31 the person who owns the flag?
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01:04 rubenwardy If a person holds the flag for more than 7 minutes, then it is returned
01:04 rubenwardy because I've found that people capture the flag, then go mining
01:05 est31 yup did it too
01:06 est31 but usually the whole other team knows where the person owning the flag is, they can find them I guess
01:06 est31 if they really wanted.
01:07 est31 7 mins are a good limit though
01:40 VanessaE est31: DI3HARD likes your mapper util :)
01:43 est31 :)
01:48 rubenwardy my thoughts est31
01:48 rubenwardy When originally creating it, I thought that not having a limit would be fine
01:48 rubenwardy but user feedback says otherwise
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01:52 est31 also note that I've passed the red wall between both parties, by simply jumping over it :)
01:53 est31 got teleported back to the flag :)
01:56 rubenwardy my view range is so good now
01:56 rubenwardy est31, that shouldn't be possible XD
01:56 rubenwardy do you play as est31?
01:57 est31 no
01:57 rubenwardy my view range has increased massively recently
01:58 rubenwardy maybe it's just because I'm on a server? Idk
02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly I would you, of all people, would know better, rubenwardy....
02:05 rubenwardy huh?
02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly Sry
02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly I would think that you, of all people, would know better, rubenwardy....
02:06 rubenwardy about what?
02:06 JohnnyComeL8ly I got ahead of myself there.
02:06 JohnnyComeL8ly About the increased viewing range change.
02:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Certainly not about the polar bear with mange.
02:07 JohnnyComeL8ly ;-0
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06:43 sofar is default:cloud actually used by anything at the moment?
06:44 VanessaE nope
06:46 RealBadAngel hi Ve
06:46 VanessaE hi
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07:09 sofar is there a way to have a recipe that requires one box to have N items (where N > 1) ?
07:09 VanessaE no
07:10 CWz hey VanessaE
07:10 VanessaE hi
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07:30 sofar hmm, I just made a really simple carpet mod by modifying the default wool mod
07:30 sofar reuse the same textures as wool, made them nodebox so you can carpet a wall too
07:30 sofar not sure why that isn't part of default
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08:25 RealBadAngel sofar, make flying carpets ;)
08:26 sofar not my style, RBA, not my style
08:26 RealBadAngel lol
08:27 RealBadAngel mt has reach the stage when simple new content nodes are just not enough imho
08:27 RealBadAngel we desperately need client side modding
08:27 RealBadAngel for mobs and entities to respond faster
08:27 sofar that's why I'm just writing a game, instead of modding random server sire mobs
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08:27 sofar it's all disjoint
08:28 RealBadAngel and to create new, i mean entirely new kind of content
08:28 sofar well, see my forum post
08:28 RealBadAngel link?
08:28 sofar I want to make something cohesive
08:28 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=50&t=13677
08:28 sofar I'm not looking to do cool new stuff
08:28 sofar I'm looking to delete all the junk from the good mods
08:29 RealBadAngel on it
08:29 sofar and combine the good parts
08:29 sofar sorry, very long read
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08:29 sofar right now I'm pruning minetest_game down to something I find acceptable
08:29 sofar after that I'll grow it bit by bit
08:30 RealBadAngel fast notice: theres seasons mod out there
08:30 sofar yeah, I also found a really decent weather implementation
08:30 RealBadAngel ive seen screenshots this week
08:31 sofar there's quite a few really good mods out there
08:31 RealBadAngel ofc
08:31 RealBadAngel mods database is quite large already
08:31 RealBadAngel you have mentioned cleanin the mods
08:32 RealBadAngel how could you do that if mod has collected yrs of commits and content?
08:32 Ingar it's also minetest greatest weakness
08:32 sofar RealBadAngel: I'm just starting a new minetest_game, and merging/cleaning as I go
08:33 sofar the outcome will be coherent, but some commits will end up squashed
08:33 sofar tbh, some stuff is almost better rewritten
08:33 RealBadAngel sofar, in no time you will end with conflicts
08:33 sofar I just added acacia/pine/jungle wood fences in 20 minutes
08:33 sofar and carpets based on default:wool nod
08:34 RealBadAngel do notice that mod maintainers wont likelely go for your subgame
08:34 sofar absolutely
08:34 sofar I don't care
08:34 sofar I do not even want people to attempt
08:34 RealBadAngel so you will have to resolve conflicts all over
08:34 sofar it's going to be a subgame for people without mods
08:34 sofar actually single player will be more of a focus
08:35 RealBadAngel for single player games to be attractive.... well : mobs
08:35 RealBadAngel otherwise player will drop it, sooner or later
08:35 sofar absolutely
08:35 RealBadAngel also, loosing items on death
08:36 sofar yes, I'll likely end up doing that
08:36 sofar no starting items either
08:36 RealBadAngel theres a mod for that in my repo
08:36 sofar that's not that hard
08:36 sofar I think I've seen that
08:36 RealBadAngel i mean, make the game hard
08:36 sofar no bones mod as well
08:36 RealBadAngel whats easy, doesnt bound player too much to it
08:37 RealBadAngel game has to be hard, with simple steps, taken one by one
08:37 RealBadAngel harder to get them, the better
08:37 sofar why can't I find mushrooms... hmmmmmm
08:38 RealBadAngel are they rare? need lotsa them? build a mushroom farm
08:38 RealBadAngel one of the examples
08:38 sofar no, missing from creative inventory
08:38 RealBadAngel but you got the point
08:40 RealBadAngel when game is easy, sunday evening player will spent a few hours and "finish" it
08:40 RealBadAngel make him work at least a few weeks
08:40 RealBadAngel give him reasons to go back and work each day
08:41 RealBadAngel i know that mt has no goals, since its sandbox
08:41 RealBadAngel but most of the players do not have such high levels of creativity to name own goals
08:42 RealBadAngel i do really miss in mt engine built electronics
08:43 RealBadAngel ive played mc for a few years
08:43 sofar right
08:43 RealBadAngel with RedPower2 mod i was building tree farm, damn big, controlled by red logic
08:44 RealBadAngel it took me circa 3 months to complete the damn thing
08:45 RealBadAngel under the nice building were big damn caves, all filled with logic gates and wires
08:46 RealBadAngel i do miss that
08:47 sofar so do I
08:47 sofar not sure if initially I'll get to something like that
08:47 sofar but, certainly in addition
08:48 sofar I always felt that even in MC redstone was critical to the singleplayer experience
08:48 RealBadAngel goals, goals and once again goals
08:48 RealBadAngel but more hidden the better
08:48 sofar right
08:48 RealBadAngel player have to think hes making decisions
08:48 sofar no commandblocks
08:49 RealBadAngel makin demands of resources if one way
08:49 RealBadAngel also kinda leveling
08:49 RealBadAngel get 30th lev to get recipe for the wheel
08:50 RealBadAngel hey, thats actually something new in mt
08:50 sofar I've thought about learnable crafting recipes
08:50 RealBadAngel level of player and crafting recipe requirements
08:51 RealBadAngel so newbie cannot make a wheel for example
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08:52 RealBadAngel wb est31
08:52 RealBadAngel est31,  could you scroll up and read #minetest log?
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08:55 est31 RealBadAngel, what precisely should I read?
08:56 RealBadAngel sofar/me
08:57 sofar fair warning I should be in bed by now
08:57 RealBadAngel est31, imho minetest is for the long time (too long) simple new nodes, no creativity
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09:05 kaeza o/
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09:19 amadin Hi all. How to run server under gdb?
09:19 est31 amadin, get a debug build
09:19 amadin i was get
09:19 est31 then call gdb --args <whatever you use to call minetestserver>
09:19 est31 then type "r" and enter
09:19 est31 then it runs
09:20 amadin thanks
09:20 est31 once there is a crash you type "bt" to get a backtrace
09:20 amadin i wan not know about r
09:20 est31 best you use VE's script
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09:52 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Wildlife Conservation Day! 😃
09:54 est31 Wildlife can live in towns
09:54 est31 problem solved
09:54 est31 !next
09:54 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
09:54 est31 </sarcasm>
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10:34 jj23677 Hi guys anyone here from linuxgaming2.com server?
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10:45 kilbith someone knows if there's any existing "on_player_teleport"-like method ?
10:49 rubenwardy don't think so: http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_​api.html#global-callback-registration-functions
10:50 kilbith could be useful when a player is attached to a node and get teleported..
10:51 kilbith your modding book is worth to be the new official documentation
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10:54 rubenwardy thanks
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11:13 est31 I use his modding book to look up docs when I develop minetest
11:14 est31 open the txt only rarely
11:14 est31 kilbith, about the teleport if attached thingy: current attachement code is quite bad, unfortunately.
11:14 est31 fixing is hard I think
11:14 est31 but didnt have an overly close look
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11:16 kilbith i'll set a formspec button for detaching the node
11:16 kilbith poor workaround though
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11:26 kaeza -Responses may take a while, be patient | +Responses may take a while, \2be FUCKING patient\2
11:26 kaeza oh well, was reading scrollback anyway
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11:27 kaeza curse you HexChat
11:27 kaeza also, mornings
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12:13 rubenwardy new website bg: http://rubenwardy.com/
12:13 rubenwardy (JS required for bg)
12:19 Calinou nice background
12:27 rubenwardy not particularly original XD
12:30 twoelk hmm, I guess whatever I have up on the internet needs a massive redo :-(
12:30 twoelk nothing of my stuff seems to look good or work on a smartphone screen
12:33 rubenwardy <3 responsive design
12:37 * twoelk is having fun with hook's law and projectiles
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12:39 Ingar Hooke's law for springs?
12:39 Ingar rubenwardy: also, congratulations for having a site that works in lynx :)
12:41 twoelk hm, the gravity page ia doing things I don't understand
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12:45 twoelk ok, one ball is in a nice orbit now - but how did I do that?
12:49 twoelk uh, they are boincing off the window borders?
12:50 twoelk what kinda moon is that?
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13:03 twoelk ? I have somehow - lost - an orbitor - eh, Major Tom? Do you read me?
13:03 Ingar it was no moon
13:04 rubenwardy you
13:04 rubenwardy you won't get the full experience in lynx XD
13:04 rubenwardy I just made my website readable to search engines
13:04 rubenwardy and didn't rely on JS for content
13:05 twoelk can I search for my lost purple orb?
13:06 rubenwardy heh
13:06 rubenwardy open the JS console
13:06 rubenwardy type game.entities
13:06 rubenwardy I think
13:06 rubenwardy will give you a list of positions
13:07 rubenwardy but I gtg now
13:07 * Ingar counting down: 3hrs before the weekend begins
13:08 Ingar it's a nice surprise though, when I woke up this morning it felt likewednesday
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13:47 nicoalta01 hi
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14:15 Leoneof hello
14:15 Leoneof why i am here? O_o
14:25 twoelk you might not really be - maybe you are just dreaming
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14:41 Leoneof twoelk: where's your home in minetest?
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16:18 Fixer o_O
16:18 Fixer O_o
16:18 Fixer no esm, no jt, so boring :}
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16:46 Calinou https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/17
16:47 Calinou they deleted my :suspect: comment
16:47 Calinou :finnadie:
16:49 Fixer :trollface:
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18:21 Krock Hello
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18:37 Calinou https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/165
18:37 Calinou lol, master/slave debate
18:47 Fixer is this related to gay or whatever?
18:48 VanessaE it's related to people who get butthurt over industry terms
18:51 Fixer ah
19:08 Fixer This release will also send you hunting for your network drives since those no longer appear in the sidebar by default. In the words of GNOME's announcement, this was done to "reduce clutter."
19:08 Fixer guh
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19:44 Jordach Krock, ayy lmao
19:44 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=200790#p200790
19:46 Krock \o/ Jordach, yet another lovely blender work!
19:47 Jordach Krock, old school
19:47 Jordach like real oldscjool
19:47 Jordach it was when i had that evil pentium 4 machine
19:47 Jordach (mid 2013 era render)
19:48 Krock well, then it's no wonder you don't give a shit about it :3
19:48 Jordach i stopped giving a shit trying to defend my sht
19:48 Jordach if it's on the net - it's going to get copied, stolen
20:05 sofar is there a way to determine if a block is under an open sky? differently phrased: does the light level at night for a block go to 0?
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20:07 Calinou sofar, no, it's 4 IIRC
20:09 sofar I'm adding node light to my inspector so I can verify
20:10 sofar it's 2
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20:33 twoelk ugh, how can I quickly dissable lava?
20:33 Calinou twoelk, you can't
20:33 twoelk shit
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20:34 twoelk something like restarting with dissable_lava to fix some griefing would make things easier
20:36 twoelk you just can't let them kids alone :-D
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20:57 twoelk ok, for the records - just temporarly commented out all the lava_flowing stuff in deftault-nodes and fixed the spill - there must be a more convenient way
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20:58 twoelk I just wonder why someone wants to burn the only oasis with trees in my desert map?
21:04 Fixer LibertyLand admin request!11
21:26 Fixer request fulfilled
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21:47 Krock Received this just now: http://esfriki.com/f/a6LXLbR_700b.jpg
21:48 Krock It's all a question of the design
21:51 sofar hmmm, I can't figure out where the fencelike mesh is defined, anyone happen to know ?
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22:14 Fixer Krock, win 10 sp1 will be swas*ka compatible
22:15 Krock Fixer, ehm, what's "swas*ka"?
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22:16 Fixer Krock, nazi swastika
22:16 Fixer Krock, i don't like direction MS is moving
22:17 Krock Lol. Yeah, it would actually result in such a form.
22:17 Krock Evolution of the button is quite interesting - what will come next? Pressed-in buttons?
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22:24 Fixer Krock, probably they will reinvent the wheel in some future
22:25 Krock xD
22:25 Fixer Sokomine, hi, have you build under Hias nickname?
22:27 Fixer Krock, but no time for this... because... new hype is ahead! tablets are dying!11 we are moving into post-post-PC world and post-tablet world
22:27 Krock omg! Invent quantum computers!!11!!!11
22:27 Fixer now we are moving into shitty crap smartphones is a future territory
22:28 Krock Make everything so small and thin you could eat it without worry!!11one1!!
22:28 Fixer and after few years when revenues will decline there will be post-post-post-PC world, post-post-tablet world, post-smartphone world with a new hype, OS on a watch or whatever shit they slap on it and pervert everything to milk even more money
22:29 Fixer or crap like "smart foucet" or whatever
22:29 Krock lol
22:30 Fixer https://twitter.com/internetofshit
22:30 Fixer fun read
22:31 Fixer and one day people will just refuse buying that shit, because old one is good enough, and no, I don't need fridge with linux
22:31 Krock Hacked barbie!!
22:33 Fixer Krock, reading that i can only wonder: WHYY?
22:34 Krock Fixer, same goes for the cat measure thing - how useless can this get?
22:34 Fixer Krock, but but people will love it11
22:34 Fixer it is like toaster with linux
22:34 Krock yeah sure
22:34 Fixer you can make a nice server
22:34 Fixer with minetest in it
22:34 Fixer ._.
22:35 Krock https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQceHcAU8AAGhf6.jpg broken apple logo
22:37 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/CS62l5_W4AAlZr0.png:large i'm not sure if it is trolling or else
22:38 Krock either install an app or just turn it off and on again ..
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22:58 Sokomine cat measure?
23:00 Sokomine a watch as a real computer would be very nice in a way. someting i'd love to have. but...there's just not enough physical space for display and input (even tablets don't have enough of that), and the only way these things seem to be used for is to measure body parameters and give them to companies
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23:19 twoelk actually some of them things you can wrap around your wrist are real computers. You can load different software with different functions onto them and the display can show whatever is needed. Informing about current time is just a minor function
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