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00:05 rubenwardy I banned a user called bodil40, and a user called boldil40 joins. Reason to ban?
00:05 rubenwardy or coincidence
00:08 VanessaE ban evasion
00:08 VanessaE use xban2 in the future
00:08 rubenwardy I do use xban2
00:08 VanessaE strange.  it should have caught that.
00:09 rubenwardy I just changed worlds, but I made sure to copy ip* and xban.db
00:09 VanessaE (unless that user's IP address changed at the same time)
00:10 rubenwardy oh
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00:10 rubenwardy I forgot to copy world.mt
00:10 VanessaE oops :)
00:10 rubenwardy with all the activated mods
00:10 VanessaE so I repeat.... use xban2 in the future :D
00:11 VanessaE by the way,
00:11 VanessaE do you get errors like this from time to time?
00:11 VanessaE 2015-12-01 19:08:44: WARNING[Server]: [xban] Unable to save database: Write failed
00:11 swift110 hey all
00:13 VanessaE hi swift
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00:15 rubenwardy no, VanessaE
00:15 rubenwardy no results from grep -n "Unable to save database: Write failed" .minetest/log*/alldebug.txt
00:16 swift110 how are you VanessaE
00:17 VanessaE Odd.  I get those errors frequently.. I can't see a reason for them, either.  There's plenty of disk space, plenty of space in /run, permissions and ownership are correct, and the ban database file is only 4.4 MB.
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00:17 rubenwardy I use /home/some-username/.minetest to host it
00:17 VanessaE (for the server whose log I got the errors from)
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00:17 rubenwardy where some-username is only for MT and the remote_media server
00:18 VanessaE https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-xban2/issues/5
00:18 rubenwardy have you updated since then?
00:19 VanessaE nope
00:19 VanessaE I'll do that now.
00:27 rubenwardy Whats a SqueakCrafter name
00:29 VanessaE idk
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01:23 LazyJ rubenwardy, "SqueakCrafter" seems to be the default name of another Minetest app. I've blocked those and the most recent variant to show up in my logs is "Player01"...or 02,03, etc.
01:23 rubenwardy ok
01:23 rubenwardy I've blocked Player* but not SqueakCrafter*
01:24 LazyJ My server isn't tuned for small devices so most of the app users plug-up the line because they time out or don't know how to use their app.
01:25 rubenwardy lol
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01:37 rubenwardy LazyJ, most players tend to be on phones/tablets/iPods. Such a shame, but they enjoy it I guess
01:41 LazyJ rubenwardy, Aye. Its one thing if they can enjoy playing the game but too many of them either make pests of themselves or whine that they can't do things (because it doesn't all fit on their small screens).
01:41 rubenwardy yeah
01:41 rubenwardy I agree that for serious servers they're not suited
01:42 rubenwardy Did you see the stats I posted? So many illegal iOS clients
01:43 LazyJ It becomes frustrating for both sides when the grown-ups try to explain that the phone/tablet isn't big enough when the app-kids are led to believe that the small devices can do it all.
01:44 LazyJ No. I hadn't seen the stats.
01:44 LazyJ But, not surprising either.
01:44 LazyJ "Serious" server.... or a server for old farts. ;)-
01:46 rubenwardy I'd like to make a City vs City server
01:47 rubenwardy a long term server where factors make castles and fend off attackers
01:47 rubenwardy but I don't think it would be possible given the current server community
01:48 rubenwardy it's more suitable to an MMO setting, really
01:48 rubenwardy The problem is that players come to minetest for to play Minecraft, not to play other drastically different game modes
01:49 rubenwardy LazyJ, these are the stats: https://twitter.com/rubenwar​dy/status/671711060093743104
01:49 rubenwardy I'll post again in a few days with more accurate stats (more samples)
01:49 LazyJ Ok, thanks for the link.
01:49 rubenwardy but, additionally only 33% of clients are up-to-date with normal version strings
01:50 LazyJ Perhaps if there were more... defined?? servers.
01:50 VanessaE time to start requiring strict version checking
01:50 rubenwardy if all servers required it, then mobile clients would may update
01:50 VanessaE once 0.4.14 goes out, I'l gonna set that option
01:51 rubenwardy but if just one requires it, then they won't get players
01:51 LazyJ I prefer to build and landscape while others prefer engineering contraptions and the more spirited prefer PvP.
01:51 VanessaE rubenwardy: unless that one happens to be particularly popular.
01:51 VanessaE imagine if 'just test' did that
01:51 rubenwardy lol
01:51 VanessaE or skyblockl
01:51 VanessaE -l
01:52 LazyJ Heh... Suppose the app-kids would be offended if there were a "Minetest Kiddie DayCare Center" for them. ;)-
01:52 VanessaE haha
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01:52 rubenwardy just
01:52 rubenwardy so much dating and swearing :(
01:52 LazyJ Mehh... I'm just a cranky curmudgeon. Bah-humbug!
01:53 rubenwardy someone said "You're not an admin, you're a bitch" today
01:53 LazyJ That would be a ban on my server.
01:53 VanessaE LazyJ: that's not for more than three weeks :)
01:53 rubenwardy no respect for their elders, honestly
01:53 rubenwardy I did ban, year
01:53 LazyJ I don't bother with timed-bans anymore.
01:53 rubenwardy temp-ban though, I don't like permban
01:53 rubenwardy * yeah
01:53 LazyJ Most of them never learn.
01:53 VanessaE rubenwardy: was that user by chance named "Dion" or something like that?
01:53 rubenwardy 1 week
01:54 LazyJ I figure there are more MT servers out there for them to go to.
01:54 VanessaE no, strike that.  Demi, not Dion.
01:54 rubenwardy katrun
01:54 VanessaE ok
01:54 LazyJ The few that protest the ban, I tell to search for another server, abide by their rules and strive to become a member of good standing in their community.
01:54 rubenwardy no more ctf servers, though
01:55 VanessaE I had a user by the name "Demi" try to pull the same routine with me, just with less-strong language
01:55 rubenwardy what I said, just more childish
01:56 rubenwardy that's gonna look weird in the logs, I did an [off] there
01:56 LazyJ I'm hoping this is all just growing pains of Minetest becoming more well known.
01:56 VanessaE don't be afraid to let idiots find their way into the log.  :P
01:58 LazyJ I don't know how, but many times I wish I could drive it into their heads that they are allowed to play for free on a server that someone else has to work hard and pay for.
01:58 VanessaE ikr.
01:58 rubenwardy exactly, I agree
01:58 rubenwardy I have so much on my todo
01:58 rubenwardy for the server
01:58 rubenwardy let alone for university work and other projects
01:59 LazyJ My ToDo list is a mountain now.
01:59 VanessaE and I literally just re-upped my server last night, for 6 months
01:59 LazyJ Of course, I might get more things on my list done if I stopped *playing* Minetest.
01:59 VanessaE my TODO is dwindling, and I've been making a point not to add stuff to it :P
01:59 rubenwardy Your servers seem to not have any players on anymore
01:59 rubenwardy shame
01:59 VanessaE I know.
02:00 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vaness​a/hobbies/minetest/stats-monthly.html
02:00 rubenwardy Just test is hogging
02:00 LazyJ I'm still looking for a different hosting service.
02:00 VanessaE well "just test" isn't even in the public list anymore
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02:00 VanessaE Xanadu and Skyblock have been jockeying for the top slot lately.
02:00 rubenwardy monthly is the best view on those stats
02:00 LazyJ Most of the contact I've had with the current "tech support", each agent asks for a photo copy of my signature and photo copies of both sides of my credit card.
02:00 rubenwardy how do you generate them, btw?
02:00 LazyJ Giant. Red. Flag.
02:01 VanessaE rubenwardy: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vane​ssa/hobbies/minetest/Server-scripts
02:01 rubenwardy ah
02:01 rubenwardy all in there? :O
02:01 VanessaE update-statistics.sh is called once a minute
02:01 VanessaE generate-statistics-graphs.sh every 5
02:01 VanessaE watchlogs.sh scrapes the logs for player counts
02:02 VanessaE and calls update-statistics-playercounts.sh
02:02 LazyJ I gave up trying to drive up the quantities of players on my server. I would much rather have "quality" players, as in calm, mature, boring, no fights, boring, civil, boring, grownups.
02:02 VanessaE (continuous loop)
02:02 LazyJ Ok, rant off.
02:02 LazyJ
02:02 VanessaE note to self:  clean up that folder.
02:02 rubenwardy With CTF, you need 6+ players at anytime to have fun
02:03 rubenwardy but they need to be good players
02:03 rubenwardy On a slightly unrelated note, having a limited sized map makes hosting easy in terms of resources - Only a limited number of chunks are loaded at any particular time, and I can use mysqlite_synchronous = 0 as it doesn't matter if the map is corrupted.
02:03 rubenwardy A traditional server would be a lot harder, I imagine
02:03 rubenwardy it's good, because lag in PvP is bad
02:04 asl97 rubenwardy: there should be a time limit for holding the flag, there was some player that just doesn't bring the flag back to base
02:04 rubenwardy But yes, I'd rather have 6 good players than 18/20 bad players.
02:04 rubenwardy yeah, that's next on my todo
02:04 rubenwardy writing my essay rn. Well, "multitasking"
02:05 LazyJ Minetest, itself, just doesn't have the reaction time to make battle much fun. Swing, click 1000 times, swing, click 1000 times... repeat.
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02:05 rubenwardy It's definitely a problem. Guns at long range makes it better. Shooter is pretty reliable
02:05 rubenwardy not perfect, but works 9/10 times
02:06 rubenwardy and it has great visual feedback
02:06 rubenwardy but yeah, swords etc are flawed
02:06 rubenwardy the whole pointing away and pointing back to hit again
02:06 rubenwardy not having visual feedback of time-outs is bad (ie: min interval before striking or firing)
02:07 rubenwardy or audio
02:07 rubenwardy but yeah. </rant>
02:07 VanessaE there, cleaned up.
02:08 rubenwardy I must admit, I nicked your runserver.sh
02:08 VanessaE you're welcome to it
02:08 VanessaE you'll need the misc-functions.sh file also
02:09 VanessaE many of those scripts 'include' that file
02:09 rubenwardy What seems to happen with my server, is that when I restart the server goes down to 3/4 player count. Then after about 20 hours it's up to 14-18, at which point I need to restart the server for updates
02:09 VanessaE runserver.sh has since been superseded by a call to one of the functions in misc-functions.sh though.
02:10 VanessaE for server updates, I usually just rely on some of the code in backup-server.sh
02:10 VanessaE see, I stage everything with an uploader script on my PC,
02:10 VanessaE then when the backup script runs, it calls update-worldmods.sh as well
02:10 rubenwardy oh, you've made new scripts
02:10 VanessaE deploying whatever was staged, while the server is down
02:11 VanessaE yeah, I rewrote several of them a few weeks ago to make everything more scalable
02:11 rubenwardy yeah, I have a folder on my PC that logs in and does common activities such as updating ctf, updating mt, and restarting.
02:11 rubenwardy *folder of scripts on my PC that logs in via ssh
02:12 rubenwardy for example: https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/a0ca2abd7a25d910f92e
02:12 rubenwardy WTFPL
02:13 rubenwardy I also have a script to optimise all the settings out of lua mods: https://github.com/rubenwardy/cap​turetheflag/blob/master/build.sh
02:13 rubenwardy well, ctf.setting(name) settings
02:13 rubenwardy works like #define name value
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02:25 rubenwardy RIP Just Test
02:25 thePalindrome I should consider hosting a smallish server sometime
02:25 VanessaE rot in pieces?
02:26 thePalindrome maybe once I get some reasonable progress finished -.-
02:26 rubenwardy lel
02:26 zat hey someone consider making a mod like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCsn8QaiUzA
02:26 asl97 VanessaE: i notice on your survival server, the public spawn nuclear center no longer has machine
02:26 VanessaE griefed.
02:26 VanessaE and I couldn't restore them
02:27 thePalindrome zat: nop.jpg
02:27 rubenwardy people play it because <####> i think its really fun
02:28 rubenwardy I guess because it's popular
02:28 zat thePalindrome: 77
02:28 rubenwardy I find it funny that the server owner is called "lag"
02:29 rubenwardy zat, I considered, and I decided that I won't
02:30 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgv5/v7/flat/fractal: More large pseudorandom caves e51ea66 http://git.io/vRfVE (2015-12-02T02:19:52Z)
02:30 MinetestBot [git] thePalindrome -> minetest/minetest: Add on_secondary_use when right clicking an item in the air 97908cc http://git.io/vRfVu (2015-12-02T02:18:44Z)
02:30 zat rubenwardy: I bet you were too distracted to see the yes that was there
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02:39 rubenwardy I wish there was a way to maintain your average players on restart :(
02:39 rubenwardy I think that an hour is too long if it's a shutdown for maintainence, and the average players isn't kept
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02:56 VanessaE my G*d worldedit has gotten pitifully slow :(
02:57 VanessaE and my Creative server is an absolute dog now as well
02:59 LazyJ I'm really hoping the lag issues are just a bug in MT 0.4.13.
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07:21 kaeza o/
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10:27 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Day for the Abolition of Slavery! 😃
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14:44 Glorfindel is there a way to install both the main minetest and the dev, but have them separate?
14:50 Glorfindel so I can run both at the same time,  not keep the worlds and stuff separate
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15:01 rubenwardy Glorfindel: don't install
15:01 rubenwardy Linux I guess?
15:01 rubenwardy I'd recommend making them run in place, so it doesn't get the worlds/mods/games from .minetest
15:01 rubenwardy if you want to get the stuff from .minetest
15:01 rubenwardy then you can make it not run in place, but don't run make install
15:02 Glorfindel ok, how would I run in place?
15:02 rubenwardy Do you compile yourself? That is recommended
15:02 Glorfindel not if I can help it lol
15:02 rubenwardy cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
15:02 Glorfindel ah, ok
15:02 rubenwardy cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j2
15:02 rubenwardy to run, double click file in bin
15:02 Glorfindel ty
15:03 rubenwardy almost done my essay XD
15:03 Glorfindel haha gl!
15:03 Glorfindel rubenwardy: btw how did you know what I had asked? you joined after I asked it lol
15:03 Glorfindel watching the log?
15:04 rubenwardy watching the log, yeah
15:04 rubenwardy well, I just happened to check
15:04 rubenwardy like, I hadn't checked for about 2 hours
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15:06 robert_ what's the difference between minetest and cuberite?
15:06 rubenwardy !g cuberite
15:06 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://cuberite.org/
15:07 rubenwardy robert_, that sounds like a fork
15:07 rubenwardy just looking...
15:07 rubenwardy no, it's a separate project
15:07 Glorfindel rubenwardy: immaculate timing! thanks :D
15:07 rubenwardy cuberite appears to only be a game server for minecraft
15:08 robert_ oh, this isn't minecraft at all?
15:08 robert_ just very similar, then?
15:08 Glorfindel yeah, not the same, better
15:08 rubenwardy Minetest isn't Minecraft. It's a game engine to make voxel games - it just happens that most people want voxel games like MC
15:08 Glorfindel starting with free :D
15:08 rubenwardy voxel meaning blocky
15:09 rubenwardy !mod Capture the Flag
15:09 MinetestBot rubenwardy: City v City / Capture the Flag - Team Alloc by rubenwardy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6947
15:09 rubenwardy that's a voxel game, but is not MC-like
15:09 rubenwardy but yeah - we don't support connecting to Minecraft protocols as it just wouldn't work write, Minetest has real support for mods
15:10 rubenwardy and MC doesn't
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16:17 CWz_ is anuone here
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16:19 CWz_ ~hello
16:19 jomat CWz_: Yor IRC client should have a name list to see who's there. If not, try the command /names
16:20 CWz_ freenode is experiencing issues trying to figure out which of the free servers has the services
16:21 CWz_ *freenode
16:21 jomat the services gone right now i think
16:21 jomat at least there was an announcement: 15:46:16│[freenode] -mist(~mrmist@freenode/staff/mist)- [Global-ish notice] Hmm, appears a hub went boom. Services are unavailable whilst we figure out where it went.
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17:28 CWz much better
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17:30 Krock hi
17:30 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, Krockpot.
17:30 est31 good evening
17:30 Krock I'm not a teapot.
17:31 CWz freenode seems to be broken almost everyday now
17:31 Krock It's so broken that I can't even notice that it's broken..
17:31 Krock maybe it's just working fine right now
17:32 JohnnyComeL8ly Krock, there is such thing as a crock pot....
17:32 Ingar "Krock Monsieur"
17:32 Ingar it's a double toast with cheese and ham
17:33 Krock :<
17:33 Krock Isn't that Kroque or smth liek that?
17:33 Ingar Croque
17:34 Krock yeah.
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17:34 Ingar but I'm not french so we pronounce it Krock
17:34 rubenwardy IT BEGINS.
17:34 rubenwardy http://minetest.rubenwardy.com/stats/
17:34 rubenwardy VanessaE ^
17:34 Krock Omg noes :<
17:34 est31 O.o
17:34 Krock blue is about to lose
17:35 est31 Do you still randomly get team color?
17:37 rubenwardy it's done on the order of iteration of ctf.players, iirc
17:37 rubenwardy or get_connected_players
17:37 rubenwardy and join time
17:38 CWz rubenwardy, I am confused.
17:38 rubenwardy CWz, on what?
17:38 CWz Pretty sure most of them are just breaking blocks
17:39 CWz it's hard to find minetesters who play the objective nowdays
17:39 rubenwardy I'm online, and I'll kick people that do that
17:40 CWz how much screaming is going on, on that server
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17:41 JohnnyComeL8ly Krock, here's a picture: http://scene7.targetimg1.com/is/image​/Target/13796517?wid=410&amp;hei=410
17:42 Krock JohnnyComeL8ly, they stole my name idea!
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17:43 CWz eh
17:43 rubenwardy CWz, tablet users are the ones that don't play the objective, usually
17:43 CWz Yes, because "building is hard".
17:44 CWz Very annoying to play minetest if you are tableteer
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17:53 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Document limitations of minetest.get_password_hash 89168a7 http://git.io/vRLBl (2015-12-02T18:32:14+01:00)
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18:40 Calinou rubenwardy, these are tablet players: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/037.jpg
18:41 Calinou and smartphone users, with their virtual keyboards: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/013.jpg
18:42 Krock Sorry, but who's that guitar guy?
18:43 Calinou Krock, probably "Slash" who I guess is a singer
18:43 Krock lol.. perfect :D
18:57 Fixer lol
18:58 Teckla Wasn't Slash the guitarist for Guns N Roses?
18:58 Teckla He always wore the funny hat
19:01 * sofar chuckes at just pub
19:02 Krock Teckla, he actually was the one, yeah.
19:19 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, I liked the first one better.
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19:23 JohnnyComeL8ly I like this one http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/015.jpg
19:26 Krock spastic?
19:26 Calinou Calinouje
19:26 Calinou Calinoutic
19:26 Calinou which one?
19:26 Krock "which one", definitely.
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19:28 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, you could switch it up a bit... Calounitic
19:29 Krock JohnnyComeL8je
19:56 cheapie "Minetest" in Minetest machine (using my new RGB lightstone): https://cheapiesystems.com//media/im​ages/screenshot_20151202_135248.png
19:56 cheapie Sure, it's only 2D, only has 4 node types, is sort of laggy, requires LuaC overheating to be disabled, doesn't have gravity, and the controls are awkward, but it works.
19:57 Glorfindel lol
20:00 cheapie That green pixel is the player, by the way.
20:01 sofar lol, cute
20:01 sofar I soooo dislike the luacontroller overheating
20:02 sofar I wish that wasn't the default
20:02 cheapie I disabled the "prohibited commands" as well so that I could use for loops, but I could unroll them if necessary.
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20:19 exio4 nice cheapie
20:22 rubenwardy Calinou: look at that crash, http://minetest.rubenwardy.com/stats/
20:22 rubenwardy within 10 minutes I lost 10 players
20:23 swift110 hey all
20:24 rubenwardy My initial theory was that Just Test came back online
20:24 rubenwardy but no
20:35 Teckla rubenwardy: Does that mean that after a Minetest crash, 10 less players rejoined?
20:35 rubenwardy no, server didn't crash
20:36 Teckla rubenwardy: Oh, so 10 players just happened to leave within the same 10 minute time range?
20:36 rubenwardy yeah
20:36 rubenwardy less players means less joiners
20:37 Teckla rubenwardy: Any theories why so many left in such a small time range?
20:37 Teckla ...bedtime for kids in a particular time zone, maybe?
20:37 rubenwardy lag I think
20:37 Teckla Ah, hrmm
20:38 asl97 might have been my fault,  i capture the flag and that destroy their house and they rage quit xD
20:38 rubenwardy my server doesn't usually lag that much, at least not for me
20:38 rubenwardy lol
20:39 rubenwardy that's true
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20:51 asl97 rubenwardy: it would be nice if the stat show when a flag is capture
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20:52 rubenwardy yes
20:52 rubenwardy I thought that
20:53 rubenwardy Shouldn't be too hard to add vertical lines to gnuplot
20:53 Glorfindel that would be cool
20:55 Glorfindel rubenwardy: there are quite a few players on again now
20:55 rubenwardy yeah
20:55 rubenwardy back to 14+
20:55 rubenwardy maybe tea time?
20:55 Glorfindel haha
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21:41 Glorfindel server just crash rubenwardy? lol
21:48 rubenwardy no?
21:48 rubenwardy nothing in the logs
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21:51 rubenwardy Glorfindel,
21:51 rubenwardy ^
21:52 Fixer v
21:52 Glorfindel rubenwardy: huh
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22:14 Fixer server went nuts again v_v
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22:32 afflatus I'm doing my own head in again
22:33 afflatus I'm trying to indx a table using nodenames
22:33 afflatus Apparently that's wrong
22:35 afflatus What idiot mistake am I making here? http://paste.debian.net/340717/
22:37 afflatus All I can see is trees ... and occasional fruit ;-)
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22:42 behalebabo afflatus: use [], ['food:gorse'] instead of 'food:gorse'
22:43 behalebabo if you initialize a table like that you have to use [] around quoted strings
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22:43 behalebabo for the indexes, not the values
22:45 afflatus behalebabo: thanks!
22:45 afflatus That was doing my head in
22:46 afflatus And it works! :-)
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23:16 swift110 hey all
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23:27 rubenwardy Fixer: what do you mean by nuts? Lots of players?
23:27 Fixer lots of strange laaag
23:27 Fixer 1 minute to open inventory
23:27 Fixer after that it just stops responding
23:28 Fixer it is Extreme Survival Minetest server, what the hell is wrong with it :(
23:28 rubenwardy ah, not mine. Thank good. XD
23:28 rubenwardy How many players?
23:28 Fixer like 3
23:29 rubenwardy what spec and internet connection? Is it yours?
23:29 Fixer lag is like that .|.|.|............................​.............|............forever until restart
23:29 Fixer no
23:29 Fixer spec is pretty good, connection is good
23:29 Fixer it is minetest or mod problem
23:30 rubenwardy !server Extreme Survival
23:30 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Extreme Survival Minetest | 23.28.76.50 | Clients: 0/43, 1/6 | Version: 0.4.13 / extreme_survival | Ping: 137ms
23:30 rubenwardy large ping, compared to
23:30 rubenwardy !server Capture
23:30 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag (Guns!) | minetest.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 13/20, 12/19 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 1ms
23:30 rubenwardy 137x more
23:30 Fixer it is in USA
23:30 Fixer 100 ms is reasonable
23:30 rubenwardy oh, true I guess
23:30 Fixer it is always like that
23:30 Fixer i've played FPS games with 100ms, reasonably well
23:31 rubenwardy Minetest doesn't have very good client side prediction
23:31 Fixer it is strange problem, it works for some time and... silence (it is not crashing), just silence, like in a coma
23:32 rubenwardy What does the packet graph look like on F5?
23:32 Fixer can't tell, can't connect to it
23:33 Fixer rubenwardy, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3046 like that
23:34 Fixer possibly fixed on 27 Sep 15
23:34 Fixer let me check what git version he uses
23:35 rubenwardy I hate moderating
23:36 Fixer hmm
23:36 Fixer he uses 10 Sep 2015 build
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