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00:21 rubenwardy does colorise not actually work? default_chest_top.png^[colorise:#ff0000:0 does nothing
00:22 LazyJ Colorise also "burns" normalmaps.
00:23 LazyJ The colorised nodes appear blackened except for the center-most node in player's field of view.
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00:36 Fixer we need more anticheats
00:36 Fixer another ***k is flying on just test and griefing from time to time
00:39 rubenwardy I'd pay for an anti-cheat which stops flying, and would be suitable for CTF
00:39 rubenwardy maybe £10-15
00:40 rubenwardy meh
00:40 rubenwardy Nevermind, it would be too hard to verify for me
00:42 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Dungeongen: Fix rarely triggered segfault 57b4295 http://git.io/vBF8Q (2015-12-01T00:36:38Z)
00:42 MinetestBot [git] jayarndt -> minetest/minetest: Remove unused OpenALSoundManager::m_can_vorbis and EXT_vorbis check 6fead28 http://git.io/vBF87 (2015-12-01T00:36:11Z)
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00:49 rubenwardy What's the minimum number of nodes I can edit before it's better to use LVM?
00:49 rubenwardy I want to check a 3x4x4 area for trees, place a 4x4x1 layer of nodes, and place a single node. All in a volume of 4x4x4.
00:53 Fixer what is lvm?
00:53 rubenwardy Lua Voxel Manipulator
00:53 rubenwardy it's a fast way of reading and setting nodes in Lua
00:54 rubenwardy it's way faster than minetest.set_node at big areas
00:54 Fixer oh ok
00:55 rubenwardy can you see my mistake? minetest.set_node(pos, {node="air"})
01:14 Fixer no I can't
01:15 Fixer i've read very little on programming right now
01:17 rubenwardy it's "node", should be "name"
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02:16 rubenwardy looking for moderators: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=200330#p200330
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08:13 sofar boom
08:13 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=50&t=13677
08:13 * sofar goes to bed, will read discussion later
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09:55 caustic good morning
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10:17 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Giving Tuesday, and happy Bifocals at the Monitor Liberation Day! 😃
10:19 caustic back at 'cha
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11:51 Fixer https://cloud.githubusercontent.co​m/assets/12679496/11492216/d07bfd5​2-979e-11e5-9593-9d801abbc98f.png
11:51 Fixer o.O
12:05 sfan5 ಠ_ಠ
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14:58 rubenwardy Client versions connecting to my server, 247 sample size: http://pasteboard.co/2y89t18t.png
14:59 rubenwardy Invalid ver is forks and illegal clients with weird version number
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15:08 rubenwardy these are the platforms connecting to my server: http://pasteboard.co/2y8MHcXc.png
15:09 rubenwardy oops
15:09 rubenwardy Forget to include "arm" in mobile devices
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15:14 rubenwardy corrected: http://pasteboard.co/2y9caEZx.png
15:14 rubenwardy That's depressing
15:15 est31 oh
15:15 est31 yea
15:16 rubenwardy 29 illegal apple clients. 35 Windows clients
15:16 est31 well, at least we got a 100% boost in users thanks to all the unofficial packages on the app stores
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15:19 rubenwardy yeah
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15:23 rubenwardy separated apple into iOS and OSX: https://twitter.com/rubenwar​dy/status/671711060093743104
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16:31 Fixer hmm
16:35 VanessaE rubenwardy:  that IS depressing :-/
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16:46 CWz VanessaE, you said it
16:46 CWz How did rubenwardy get that info though
16:47 VanessaE I would assume scraping the debug logs in the most verbose mode, and web access logs (for media server)?
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16:50 Teckla VanessaE: What's depressing?  The # of "illegal" and Windows clients?
16:51 VanessaE to me yeah
16:51 VanessaE not sure which part ruben considers depressing
16:52 CWz Probbaly that most of the players are tableteers who the vast majority of them are crybabies who really make server harder to enjoy
16:53 Ingar like in any other game
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16:53 Ingar (- the tableteers)
16:53 VanessaE I wouldn't say the majority are
16:53 VanessaE rather there is a loud contingent of crybabies among them
16:54 CWz Vast Majority of them I find annoying. as they lay parkours all over the world
16:55 sofar allow mods to ban certain clients?
16:55 sofar that gives server ops the opportunity to cater to certain player types
16:56 Ingar stop playing on public servers
16:56 VanessaE sofar: there is an unreasonable resistance to exposing client ID + version to mods :-/
16:56 sofar VanessaE: and that's why this mess exists
16:57 sofar tbh I get that
16:57 sofar you can't make reasonable decisions without data
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16:57 sofar so withholding the data is a way to avoid it
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16:59 sofar creating a player environment that builds communities is hard. You may have to make sacrifices. All MMO's do this.
17:00 Teckla I think a lot of kids use tablets, either because they don't have a PC, or installing Minetest on the PC is too hard for them.
17:00 sofar afk, meeting
17:03 Fixer apple is just anal (no need to worry), what is actually depressing is it is mostly android with something in reminder, so android support is important
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17:09 Krock Hello everybody
17:10 VanessaE hi
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17:18 Fixer hi
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17:25 VanessaE bbl
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17:43 Luizrpgluiz hi :)
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18:12 Calinou Warsow 2.0 released, with most assets under CC BY-SA 4.0
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18:32 hoodedice dot
18:33 hoodedice I'll beat Calinou to the hi. Hi Calinou
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18:38 Calinou hi
18:38 Krock Beaten, it seems.
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18:41 iheartkode hello!
18:42 iheartkode Just discovered minetest
18:42 hoodedice how's it?
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18:42 iheartkode What mods do i need to join a server? This is pretty confusing
18:42 Krock congratulations
18:42 iheartkode I have not played lol
18:42 Calinou iheartkode, short answer: none.
18:42 Krock Tab: "Client"
18:42 Calinou mod content is downloaded when you join a server
18:42 iheartkode none ok easier
18:43 Krock Checkbox: "View public server list"
18:43 Calinou so you don't need to install mods on your client to play multiplayer games
18:43 Calinou (mods installed on your client affect only singleplayer games, or servers you host yourself)
18:43 iheartkode I click that view public server list and it crashes
18:43 est31 oh, that's bad to hear
18:43 iheartkode Thanks for the info
18:43 iheartkode It's a lua error maybe I should re install
18:43 iheartkode I installed it via apt-get
18:44 est31 iheartkode, which minetest version, which OS?
18:44 iheartkode Xubuntu 14.04
18:44 Calinou iheartkode, build from source
18:44 iheartkode which ever version is in the repo apt-get install minetest
18:44 est31 via the ppa, or the xubuntu repos?
18:44 iheartkode yep
18:44 Calinou it's outdated :)
18:44 iheartkode oh man lol
18:44 behalebabo The daily build PPA seems to work well
18:44 est31 either way it should work
18:44 Krock lol "X or Y?" "yep"
18:44 iheartkode removing it now lol
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18:45 Calinou try https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837
18:45 est31 Calinou, iheartkode wont be the only one from 14.04
18:45 iheartkode it worked accept when you click servers
18:45 est31 its bad to have buggy version of minetest in official repos
18:45 est31 better get behind that bug
18:45 iheartkode thanks
18:45 Calinou you just have to paste the whole command in a terminal, and confirm with the sudo password
18:45 Calinou (use non-portable if you don't know which one to use)
18:45 iheartkode brb i will try it out
18:46 est31 trusty has 0.4.9+repack-4ubuntu1
18:46 est31 quite old ...
18:46 iheartkode i won't use portable
18:47 iheartkode installing from that script :)
18:47 iheartkode I have played MC for years, but it gets super boring.
18:48 Calinou I am a Minecraft convert too.
18:48 Calinou I started playing Minecraft ~5 years ago
18:48 Calinou but I stopped 1.5 years ago
18:48 iheartkode Same
18:48 iheartkode I stopped about 3 months back
18:48 Calinou I thought it was the game of the decade (really)
18:48 iheartkode lol
18:48 iheartkode for kids
18:48 Calinou but in the end, it looks like its sales are dropping already
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18:48 Krock I think they thought the same with super mario
18:49 iheartkode right
18:50 iheartkode installed via script now I run  minetest in terminal and says no command found
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18:50 iheartkode cmake error
18:50 Obani I started playing Minecraft 4 years ago
18:51 iheartkode CMake Error: The source directory "/home/mark" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.CMake Error: The source directory "/home/mark" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
18:51 Obani I stopped playing Minecraft 4 years ago
18:51 iheartkode maybe i should just play on windows lol
18:51 est31 you can try the ppa
18:51 behalebabo This ppa contains daily builds of the latest Minetest: https://launchpad.net/~minetestd​evs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds
18:51 Teckla Minecraft is a great game
18:51 iheartkode i did it's outdated
18:52 iheartkode ok
18:52 est31 don't install mientestc55
18:52 est31 but minetest
18:52 est31 this is the stable repo if you dont want the bleeding edge: https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
18:53 iheartkode i just want to play lol
18:53 iheartkode i will try this deb
18:55 iheartkode ok connecting to a server wish me luick :P
18:56 iheartkode just for future reference the sudo apt-get install minitest does not work (fails to list servers)
18:58 * Teckla has never had installation or runtime problems with Minetest for Windows
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19:52 jemadux how to press  a button on mt ?
19:55 Calinou jemadux, it can be left or right-click
19:55 Calinou depends on mods… there is no standard
19:56 jemadux in megaf server
19:56 jemadux sorry
19:57 jemadux bluelobster server
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20:21 Glorfindel hey all
20:22 Glorfindel I am thinking about hosting a server over a vps, and was wondering there was a way to create a world via cli on the vps or if I would have to create one and upload it first
20:23 Glorfindel it's a linux virtual machine, if that changes anything
20:28 Calinou Glorfindel, starting a new server will automatically create a world called "world"
20:29 Glorfindel oh it does? Is this a recent thing, because I don't remember it doing that...
20:29 Calinou it always did that, even in 0.3.x
20:30 Calinou Minecraft also did it ;)
20:30 Glorfindel ah
20:31 Glorfindel heh, now that you mention it, there is a world called "world" lol
20:31 Glorfindel ty :)
20:35 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=3&t=13680&p=200407#p200400
20:35 Calinou idspispopd
20:35 sofar Calinou: time to change your password?
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20:36 Glorfindel lol
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20:53 Glorfindel next question, how low could I go with system specs? Assuming 4-5 players max, would 512mb ram be enough?
20:54 est31 depends on mods I guess
20:54 est31 but they should be for a lightly modded instance
20:55 Obani Glorfindel, is it for a private server ?
20:55 Glorfindel est31: ok, ty
20:55 Glorfindel Obani: I'll probably make it public, but not on with those specs
20:55 Obani ok
20:57 Calinou Glorfindel, my VPS runs on 1 GB RAM
20:57 Calinou (Hunger Games server)
20:57 Calinou it can handle 15-20 players fine
20:57 Calinou (runs on Debian 8 64-bit)
20:57 asl97 Glorfindel: you might want to add a swap just in case if it doesn't have one yet
20:58 Obani Calinou, Hungry games doesn't have many mods ;)
20:58 Glorfindel Calinou: ok, that should be fine then
20:58 Calinou I use dedicated_server_step = 0.05
20:58 Calinou for smoother player/mob movement (as shown to other players)
20:58 Calinou it costs more CPU and bandwidth
20:59 Glorfindel Obani: the only mods I'd add is mobs redo and TenPlus1's mod for the different biomes (forget the name)
20:59 Glorfindel Calinou: I saw a post you made on the forum about that, is it really that much smoother?
21:07 thePalindrome I wouldn't use systemd on a server
21:08 Glorfindel thePalindrome: shouldn't your username be thePalindromeemordnilaPeht ?
21:08 thePalindrome heheh
21:08 Glorfindel what's wrong with systemd?
21:10 Calinou systemd is love, systemd is life
21:10 thePalindrome It chews up ram like none other, fails catastrophicly (couldn't reboot because systemd biffed it because of a d-bus issues)
21:10 thePalindrome Also, you have to have all systemd or none
21:11 thePalindrome Anyway, brb
21:11 Glorfindel lol
21:11 Glorfindel I'll pop the popcorn ;)
21:13 rubenwardy Calinou, are you on my ctf server?
21:13 Calinou yes
21:13 Calinou :p
21:14 Calinou how do you get guns and steel swords?
21:14 Calinou maybe players should have a weak gun on spawn
21:14 Calinou what about armor?
21:14 Glorfindel wow a server with gunz :D
21:15 asl97 Calinou: iirc, no armor, guns and swords from chest
21:17 Calinou rubenwardy, I love how you used the trumpet sound that all games use
21:17 Calinou including OpenClonk and some brony fangame called Pony Joust
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21:21 Calinou you should add wieldview too
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21:43 sofar thePalindrome: blame me, I've committed code to systemd
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22:03 rubenwardy Calinou, yeah, I'm planning on armour
22:03 rubenwardy and yeah, that sound is used by KAG too
22:03 rubenwardy which is my inspiration
22:03 rubenwardy but I found the sound on some libre website
22:09 rubenwardy lol, Calinou got hated
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22:42 rubenwardy is "sexygirl" a good enough nick?
22:42 alket yep
22:42 rubenwardy hmmm
22:43 alket sexy isn't offensive word
22:43 alket its acceptable
22:44 VanessaE alket: that depends on your audience.
22:44 kaeza ultimately depends on you. ^that
22:44 VanessaE it would be entirely unacceptable if used among a bunch of 10 year olds :P
22:44 alket VanessaE: they use it in TV during day time xD
22:45 rubenwardy most of my audience are 8-12 y.o on android phones
22:45 alket rubenwardy: whats your server ?
22:45 rubenwardy !server Capture the Flag
22:45 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag (Guns!) | minetest.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 14/20, 14/19 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 1ms
22:45 rubenwardy also, VanessaE: https://twitter.com/rubenwar​dy/status/671711060093743104
22:46 VanessaE I saw
22:46 VanessaE [12-01 11:35] <VanessaE> rubenwardy:  that IS depressing :-/
22:46 rubenwardy oh
22:46 VanessaE stop signing off all the time :)
22:47 rubenwardy I may have left to do an essay at that point
22:47 VanessaE just do what I do, leave your PC on :P
22:47 rubenwardy I close IRC whilst I'm doing my essay
22:47 VanessaE yeah sure.  excuses, excuses :D
22:47 rubenwardy I also hide my bookmarks bar to stop myself seeing "Minetest Forums"
22:48 VanessaE heh
22:49 rubenwardy does anyone know how I can configure a mapgen to make a map from -160 to 160 as a valley?
22:49 rubenwardy or should I just guess seeds randomly
22:49 rubenwardy also, are there any stats on the speed of v6 vs v7
22:49 VanessaE no clue on settings, but it's generally agreed that v6 is faster
22:50 VanessaE (v7 is more than fast enough though)
22:50 rubenwardy how much so?
22:50 VanessaE I'm not sure - I've not measured it
22:50 rubenwardy ok. My server uses sqlite_synchronous = 0, which is why it's so fast
22:50 VanessaE but it's noticable
22:50 rubenwardy I don't care if the map is corrupted, as it's reset so often
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23:19 rubenwardy there's some weird new v6 biome with boney things
23:19 rubenwardy like, it crunches when you walk on them
23:20 VanessaE boney?
23:21 rubenwardy like bones
23:21 rubenwardy makes a crunching sound
23:21 rubenwardy oh, gravel
23:21 rubenwardy gravel has a new sound
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23:25 thePalindrome yar har
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