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01:18 sofar can anyone explain to me how farming_plus nodes are placed on the map? I don't see it anywhere using biome_lib or having a mapgen hook of some sorts....
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01:25 Da_Red_Hood How do I kick a user on minetest?
01:25 Da_Red_Hood I am a sysadmin
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01:26 sofar type /help
01:27 Da_Red_Hood I have not made my user admin yet
01:27 Da_Red_Hood How do I do that?
01:27 sofar grant command
01:27 Da_Red_Hood How do I perform that from the console?
01:28 DI3HARD139 I usually add "all" in the list of privs in the auth.txt then do /auth_reload ingame
01:28 sofar minetest has no interactiv console
01:29 Da_Red_Hood auth.txt?
01:29 sofar http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Privileges
01:32 DI3HARD139 its in the world folder. itll be layed out as ~/worlds/<world name> auth.txt or just do /grant <player> all using a profile that has the /grant priv
01:43 Da_Red_Hood How do I rename a file from the linux command line?
01:52 sofar mv
01:53 sofar http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+do+I+rename+​a+file+from+the+linux+command+line%3F
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03:48 jacsepticeye Hello in back after a test or 2
03:49 jacsepticeye A year
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06:06 drink1n hello guys
06:07 sofar can anyone explain to me how farming_plus nodes are placed on the map? I don't see it anywhere using biome_lib or having a mapgen hook of some sorts....
06:07 drink1n i want to know how to register a minetest account. Some help??
06:08 sofar what kind of account?
06:10 drink1n sofar: just a client account
06:10 sofar just put a username and password in when you first connect to a server
06:10 sofar first one used is registered
06:10 sofar each server has their own username and password registration
06:10 drink1n sofar: okay i see. thanks. do you know what the most popular minetest server is?
06:11 sofar see /topic
06:11 swift110-phone Hey guys
06:11 sofar http://minetest.net/servers
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06:20 xrosnight i was connecting to the server stormchaser3000.noip.me:30001   and it was stuck at "Item definitions" ... what's wrong?
06:20 sofar it can take a while to download assets from a server
06:22 xrosnight sofar: okay... i would think so.. now it is temperarily stuck at "Media" in slowly progress
06:23 xrosnight temporarily*
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06:45 Da_Red_Hood How can I ban a troll from my server?
06:49 sofar tried /ban ?
06:49 Da_Red_Hood I have to make myself admin first
06:54 Da_Red_Hood How do I make myself admin?
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07:02 sofar use /grant, or modify the auth file and reload
07:03 Da_Red_Hood where is auth?
07:03 sofar http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Privileges
07:03 sofar auth.txt is in world folder
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07:06 Da_Red_Hood Do I just add my name?
07:06 Da_Red_Hood or do I have to do anything special?
07:06 Zeno` Hi all. Just here to say goodbye to the friends (and foes) I've formed while working as core dev on this project
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07:07 Da_Red_Hood So you are leaving the project?
07:07 Zeno` I've removed myself as a dev. There is nothing wrong (I just don't have the interest atm), and I hope the project continues to improve!
07:07 Zeno` Da_Red_Hood, yes :`-(
07:07 Zeno` For the moment anyway. Maybe in 6 months or a year I'll come back. Who knows what the future holds
07:08 Zeno` I feel kind of sad. Sadder than I have felt when I left any of my real life jobs, lmao
07:09 * Zeno` waves
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07:34 Da_Red_Hood How do I make myself admin?
07:34 Da_Red_Hood I am in auth.txt and I  have no idea how
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07:35 sofar change :shout,interact: to :all:
07:35 sofar for the user that is you
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07:36 Da_Red_Hood Where do Input the user part?
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07:37 Da_Red_Hood Da_Red_Hood::all: ?
07:37 Da_Red_Hood sofar is that how?
07:37 sofar I'm not holding hands
07:38 Da_Red_Hood aka I am a "hard core nerd" who won't tell you how to syntax
07:38 Da_Red_Hood gg fuckface
07:39 sofar Da_Red_Hood: why don't you try it, and come back if you can't figure it out?
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07:42 Da_Red_Hood What the fuck is this?
07:42 Da_Red_Hood https://ghostbin.com/paste/rdjsf
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07:43 TheWild have you another server already running?
07:44 Da_Red_Hood no
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07:46 Da_Red_Hood Have you ever heard of a user named "Dummy"?
07:47 Da_Red_Hood He is this troll who some users said was "torchnukieng"(Destroying all torches near him with some cheats of some sort)
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07:55 Da_Red_Hood sofar: I did that and now I can't do anything
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07:57 sofar Da_Red_Hood: <DI3HARD139> I usually add "all" in the list of privs in the auth.txt then do /auth_reload ingame
07:57 sofar that's what someone else told me...
07:57 Da_Red_Hood :all: made it so I couldn't even chat
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07:58 sofar try :all,shout,interact,server: ?
07:58 sofar actually
07:58 sofar just do
07:58 sofar :privs:
07:58 sofar then you can in-game grant more privs
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08:01 Da_Red_Hood I added everything but privs
08:01 Da_Red_Hood can I still edit privs?
08:02 sofar I'm not sure, I don't think "all" is actually a valid flag... not according to the wiki page link
08:02 sofar so if you want to edit privs in-game, add privs to the list
08:04 Da_Red_Hood I don
08:04 Da_Red_Hood I don't have ban permissions
08:05 sofar did you give yourself 'privs'?
08:05 sofar then just /grant <yourname> all
08:05 sofar in-game
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09:35 TheWild https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3389 - oh well, thats such a big problem
09:35 TheWild ^ stop considering which one is good and introduce a setting
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09:40 TheWild https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3084 - solution: rename env_meta.txt to env_meta.old. Write new env_meta.txt and ensure that it was properly flushed. Remove env_meta.old.
09:41 TheWild If server crashed and env_meta.txt is not readable, you can probably read env_meta.old
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09:50 realbadangel__ TheWild, about 3389, instead of commentin here, do it on github issue
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10:23 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Thursday and happy Cake Day! 😃  http://goo.gl/oKyw2t
10:25 realbadangel__ no way, cake is a lie :P
10:26 JamesTait Piecaken isn't.
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11:40 E4xoi hi JamesTait!
11:40 E4xoi long time no see!
11:47 JamesTait 👋  E4xoi
11:47 * JamesTait hasn't been hiding.
11:49 E4xoi well, I kinda was
11:49 E4xoi rarely looking at this channel :P
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13:05 realbadangel__ E4xoi, better lookin at this chan than world news ;)
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13:48 E4xoi realbadangel__: you mean all the problems that people in syria/irak have to suffer?
13:50 realbadangel__ i mean all the shit all around the globe
13:53 realbadangel__ mankind is just sick
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14:16 who_wants_some it always been like that
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14:17 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
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14:30 E4xoi who_wants_some: it's now different because europeans are those who die
14:30 E4xoi who_wants_some: who cares about people in asia or africa anyway, right?
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15:13 zat guys what license to choose if I want to make a REAL free software?
15:15 rom1504 no it has been worse before
15:15 rom1504 now it's better
15:18 twoelk|2 zat: cc0 ?
15:19 twoelk|2 http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
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15:20 zat You can copy, modify, distribute and perform the work, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission.
15:20 zat doesn't sound that would keep the work completely free.
15:21 zat I was thinking something more like AGPL
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15:27 twoelk|2 hmm forcing your work to be kept "for free" as in free beer is not completly free as in freedom
15:33 zat it is for people
15:33 zat that don't want proprietary black boxes
15:37 Yepoleb zat: There's no "real" free license. If you ask RMS, he will tell you that the GPL is the most free one, if you ask a BSD maintainer he will tell you BSD is the most free.
15:38 zat sure
15:38 zat I just don't want anybody to derive the code and close it.
15:38 zat I want to keep control over all derivatives.
15:38 Yepoleb then gpl is probably the way to go
15:39 zat but what GPL :S
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15:44 Yepoleb zat: are you writing a library?
15:44 zat no, a full application
15:45 Yepoleb zat: desktop or server?
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15:46 zat desktop
15:46 Yepoleb zat: then GPLv3
15:46 zat !
15:46 zat hands down?
15:47 zat the core of the software can be used as a server over the net
15:47 zat and I want to avoid proprietary implementations as a service
15:51 Yepoleb zat: the main differences of the different gpl license are: lgpl allows you to integrate the software into a proprietary project, as long as you release the changes
15:51 Yepoleb the gpl forces you to release the full project source
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15:53 Yepoleb and agpl requires people who use the application over a network to provide the source
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15:54 anddam can damage be inhibited?
15:54 dzho it's important to note that just use of gpl or lgpl does not require release of source, it's only the redistribution of that code that requires it.  You can, for instance, use the code internally and never be required to release source.
15:54 Yepoleb this is mostly relevant for web and server applications
15:55 dzho this is a big difference from the agpl.  with gpl or lgpl code running a website, you have no obligation to share the code, because you aren't distributing software, just web content.
15:56 dzho with agpl code running a website thought, that code needs to be shared.
15:56 zat AGPL sounds like the way to go then.
15:56 anddam I'm wandering around with noclip and I get into lava, can health be locked?
15:56 est31 shared to anybody who has access to the service
15:56 zat my software is supposed to avoid secret messaging providers
15:56 dzho est31: yes, thank you.
15:57 est31 so if you build a space station isolated from human population, you dont have to provide the source to humans on earth
15:57 est31 (if your service is only for inhabitants of that station)
15:58 anddam est31: wouldn't you be forced to share the source with those inhabitants?
15:59 est31 yes, of course, and they would be allowed to share it whomever they want
15:59 est31 but as the space station is isolated they cant share it with people outside
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16:02 zat I think that example is kind of a bit off
16:08 Calinou GPLv3+, not just GPLv3.
16:08 Calinou this is important if you 1) die, 2) stop maintaining the project
16:10 zat what's the relevant bit about
16:11 est31 Calinou, what if FSF gets invaded by BSD people and declare GPLv4 to be the BSD license?
16:20 Calinou won't happen
16:20 Calinou also, the upsides of "or later" greatly outperform the risks
16:20 Calinou also, if you aren't happy with this, just pick a permissive license…
16:21 Calinou in any case, it's impossible to turn the base code proprietary even if the FSF published an "evil" license
16:22 est31 what if GPLv4 contains "the license owner gives 200000 $ to the licensee"?
16:23 est31 or even better  "the license owner gives 200000 $ to the FSF"
16:24 Calinou users can still use GPLv3
16:24 Calinou this is why upgrades aren't mandatory
16:25 est31 and what if the users dont have to pay money to the program writer, but the program writer has to pay money to the user?
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16:25 est31 wont they prefer the later GPL version then?
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16:32 Calinou they can't force people to upgrade
16:32 Calinou the program remains forever (until copyright expiry) under GPLv3 and later versions
16:32 Calinou people can also choose to not replicate the "or later" clause in their own software
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17:01 Obani rubenwardy, I'm making some simple schems for the map
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17:07 rubenwardy awesome
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17:21 Obani rubenwardy, bedrock = -50 ? -30 ? -x ?
17:22 rubenwardy I think it should be at the same place as the barrier, so -90, but doesn't matter
17:22 Obani -90 ? 0.o
17:26 rubenwardy There seems to be a weird crash when using v7 and map_generation_limit
17:27 rubenwardy maybe it's due to the spawn location
17:28 Obani rubenwardy, yes, I didn't reported you but yes
17:28 Obani wait
17:28 rubenwardy It's my fault, I made map_generation_limit
17:29 Obani wait, where is it ??
17:31 rubenwardy huh?
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17:33 Obani can't find it in my minetest.conf ?.?
17:34 rubenwardy it's in games/capturetheflag/minetest.conf
17:35 Obani know it
17:35 Obani but still, I can't find it
17:36 rubenwardy what do you mean?
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17:55 who_wants_some Zeno is leaving, looks like no OGRE or smth for Minetest, minetest development pace is too fast anyway
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18:14 VanessaE_ he left.
18:14 VanessaE_ http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2015-11-26#i_4459838
18:24 twoelk fiddling with WE, I just wrecked my castle and then crashed my server - just because I forgot to reset pos1 to my new position :-D - I just wonder why all of Sokomine's villages spawned underground on that map
18:27 VanessaE_ oops :)
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18:32 thefamilygrog66 Hey, do formspecs handle drop downs now?
18:33 twoelk look at pa's new settings code?
18:35 thefamilygrog66 I'll take that silence as a "yes".
18:38 twoelk https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob​/master/builtin/mainmenu/tab_settings.lua line 406+ for example?
18:43 who_wants_some o_O
18:49 thefamilygrog66 I was looking for a yes/no answer, but thanks twoelk.
18:51 twoelk may have missunderstood
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20:26 Da_Red_Hood https://ghostbin.com/paste/obyva how do I fix this?
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20:29 est31 yeah this is an old bug
20:29 est31 just remove the EnvArgs file
20:29 est31 hmm how again is it called
20:30 est31 env_meta.txt in the world dir
20:30 est31 that file is likely empty, delete it
20:31 Obani rubenwardy, I made thos not very nice world edit schems, if you want to check it out https://up1.ca/#4bgn_IH5bxIz5kwRcybyHw
20:31 Obani PS : the chest_room would be IN a wall
20:31 Obani IN the base
20:32 Obani gtg
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21:25 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, ever had problems with jumping on cactuses when technic is on?
21:28 RealBadAngel who_wants_some, not really
21:29 RealBadAngel that sounds pretty weird :P
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21:29 who_wants_some i don't have 100% proof... but technic was disabled and cactuses are jumpable again
21:30 who_wants_some on ESM city
21:30 who_wants_some strange
21:30 RealBadAngel afaik technic doesnt do anything with cacti
21:30 Da_Red_Hood How do I make pipes in technic?
21:31 RealBadAngel pipes are from pipeworks
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21:31 Da_Red_Hood whatever
21:31 Da_Red_Hood how do I use them?
21:32 RealBadAngel dont expect one sentece answer ;)
21:32 est who_wants_some, it might be that the admin has removed the no jump on cactus together with the technic mod
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21:33 RealBadAngel Da_Red_Hood,  pipes are meant to transport items from one machine to another
21:33 RealBadAngel some machines do eject items, some do accept input
21:34 RealBadAngel for example a furnace can accept input -> items to be cooked slot (process them) and then eject output on the other side to another pipe
21:34 who_wants_some funny, he reenabled technic and some other mods and cacti are nonjump
21:35 RealBadAngel who_wants_some, please upload somwhere all the mods installed, i will look for the reason
21:36 Da_Red_Hood I just mean crafting pipes
21:36 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, it is on multiplayer server, and it is not mine :( i will ask admin
21:36 RealBadAngel Da_Red_Hood, hold on
21:37 RealBadAngel hmm, most easy way?
21:37 RealBadAngel do you have UI installed?
21:37 Da_Red_Hood What UI?
21:37 RealBadAngel UnifiedInventory mod
21:37 Da_Red_Hood I don't think I do
21:37 Da_Red_Hood I should add that to my server
21:37 RealBadAngel you should
21:38 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-technic/​unified_inventory/archive/master.zip
21:38 RealBadAngel with it you get ingame crafting guide for every item
21:39 RealBadAngel and lotsa more
21:40 RealBadAngel using UI is pretty self explanatory, just give it a try
21:40 who_wants_some Sokomine, you here?
21:49 * who_wants_some pokes python
21:49 * who_wants_some is so damb
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22:02 Da_Red_Hood I made my world then added technic
22:02 Da_Red_Hood Does brass and stuff like that still spawn?
22:15 Da_Red_Hood Can I make an automine in technic?
22:19 TheWild entities have no lighting/shading. Is this because of missing normals or it just doesn't work?
22:20 est31 RealBadAngel, ^
22:26 rubenwardy on my capturethe flag server:
22:26 rubenwardy <player> can our teams plz be at peace
22:26 rubenwardy Don't think he gets the point
22:37 who_wants_some good enough
22:42 TheWild in MC when you drive the boat, you can look left/right to slowly turn your boat to the respective direction. Do we want it in MT?
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22:57 who_wants_some gimp is on gtk3 right now? just wondering
23:02 who_wants_some there are 4 people on server and their keep leaving and rejoining... wth... are they playing from Mars?
23:05 sofar not everyone has comghast
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23:12 who_wants_some poor maike
23:12 who_wants_some running MT server is like a car from USSR
23:13 who_wants_some it just breaks everywhere
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23:15 rubenwardy mine works, mostly
23:16 rubenwardy if it crashes then it's usually my fault
23:16 who_wants_some Wayland Protocols v1.0 Released
23:16 who_wants_some hmm
23:16 who_wants_some must be usable in near future (10-50 years)
23:19 est31 its protocols only
23:19 est31 and still no pointer locking
23:19 est31 there has been discussion on it in 2013 feb
23:19 est31 then in 2014 nov/oct
23:19 est31 then recently too
23:19 est31 (oct/nov 2015)
23:20 est31 but out of some reason pointer locking hasnt been merged
23:20 who_wants_some i was talking in general
23:20 who_wants_some how long they develop that thing? like 10 years?
23:20 est31 well, it makes writing frustrum controlled games inpossible
23:21 who_wants_some released just 3 years ago? smth is wrong
23:21 who_wants_some it feels like it is going on forever
23:21 est31 and there is no compat layer to windows
23:21 est31 nor to x11
23:21 est31 those require warping
23:22 est31 (more or less)
23:22 who_wants_some MT will not be usable soon on linux, right?
23:23 est31 well minecraft will be neither
23:23 est31 and they will change it, because MC
23:23 est31 not MT
23:23 est31 but yeah, in fact we perform better on wayland than MC
23:23 est31 MC crashes
23:24 est31 MT runs, but suffers under that frustrum spinning bug
23:24 est31 (MT runs with XWayland)
23:26 who_wants_some any positive news? %)
23:26 who_wants_some everything is broken!
23:26 who_wants_some or are*
23:34 est31 hrmm, reading through the pointer locking protocol, it seems it will be possible to implement warping
23:34 est31 so perhaps XWayland will finally get warping support
23:34 est31 nice
23:42 who_wants_some https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2988 hmm
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23:55 Sokomine who_wants_some_: yes. how can i help you?
23:56 who_wants_some_ Sokomine, hi, on ESM city maike has villages enabled, in lots of playses without any villages it says I can't build because inhabitans whatever... That is strange
23:57 who_wants_some_ places*
23:57 Sokomine who_wants_some_: hmm. perhaps some parameters where changed? he did experiment a bit with it and had the protection even disabled for some time
23:58 who_wants_some_ could be
23:58 who_wants_some_ now I can't build in areas near me :(
23:58 who_wants_some_ not even on most of that mountain near spawn
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23:59 who_wants_some_ is it possible to remove such places from databases? %)
23:59 Sokomine hmm. that can be deleted from the table, but it'd be manual work and might require a server restart
23:59 Sokomine i had a lot of lag on the server last time. else i'd ask you to show me

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