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01:01 everamzah ya minetest is nice
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01:48 fling What are the greatest mods?
01:50 koz_ fling: You mean just mods, or subgames/textures as well?
01:50 fling koz_: idk, I'm rebuilding my server, I'm about to add something new probably.
01:52 koz_ fling: Well, I'm really enjoying Wasteland right now.
01:52 koz_ It's a pretty awesome subgame.
01:53 * fling checking
01:54 koz_ fling: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&t=7243
01:55 fling Right, looks good, thanks.
01:55 fling Will not multiworld be supported any time soon?
01:58 koz_ fling: What's multiworld?
01:58 fling I'd like to be able to run multiple worlds on a single server with different mods applied.
01:59 koz_ fling: Ah, that. I dunno honestly.
02:00 fling Any new ineteresting mods around?
02:05 fling Which worldedit to use? The one from Uberi?
02:14 fling Is there a client-side player animation mod?
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03:08 basil60 Hi I'm trying to organise an experiment in Minetest to blast an object, trying map the distance, and trajectory etc. When I uses TNT, it just explodes everything - can it be constrained to act like a cannon?
03:17 sofar you'll have to modify the tnt mod
03:17 sofar flying blocks are possible too, you'll have to make them though
03:17 basil60 <sofar>can't do it with standard assets?
03:18 sofar what are "standard assets" ?
03:18 basil60 <sofar> without creating a mod?
03:18 sofar the current tnt mod just removes a bunch of blocks and makes a few of them drop as item
03:18 sofar I don't think there's any code in there that does what you want, so, unless somone has made a better mod, no
03:19 basil60 <sofar>OK thanks for your help
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04:15 rubenwardy TIL ssh host <<'ENDSSH'  \n  cmd \n cmd \n ENDSSH
04:15 rubenwardy Now I don't have to ssh into my server manually, just to update and restart the mt server
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10:04 fling How to get privileges for single player?
10:04 fling Or how to fly?
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10:17 RealBadAngel fling, /grant singleplayer all
10:19 fling RealBadAngel: thanks.
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10:39 fling RealBadAngel: where to put mods when running a local server?
10:40 RealBadAngel you can add them to subgame folder they will be aviable for that game
10:41 RealBadAngel or you can put them into /mods folder, they will be aviable for all the subgames (ofc when enabled)
10:41 RealBadAngel or put them into world folder
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10:42 RealBadAngel for the last one you have to create new world first
10:42 fling RealBadAngel: tried ~/.mineteste/mods but it is not worknig
10:43 RealBadAngel you have to enable them
10:44 RealBadAngel in world creation tab, hit configure and enable mods you want
10:44 RealBadAngel btw, when you add mods to subgame folder you wont need to enable them
10:44 fling RealBadAngel: ok, thanks.
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10:45 RealBadAngel they will become part of a subgame
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10:50 fling RealBadAngel: some of the mods are not working.
10:50 fling Item "moretrees:slab_spruce_planks" not defined
10:51 RealBadAngel please pastebin whole log
10:51 RealBadAngel propably you dont have all the dependencies
10:52 fling ahh thanks, missing biome_lib
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10:58 fling RealBadAngel: which mod forstairs:stair_nether_brick ?
10:59 RealBadAngel i guess nether mod or some mc compability one
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11:15 CWz why is the package name for the Curses terminal.
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11:20 RealBadAngel propably you libncurses and libncurses-dev
11:21 fling CWz: bashsimplecurses -> https://github.com/metal3d/bashsimplecurses
11:21 fling RealBadAngel: how to easily add a block to an existing mod?
11:22 fling RealBadAngel: for example I want to add stairs to nether mod reusing the default stairs and nether brick texture.
11:23 RealBadAngel your mod need to have stairs mod in deps
11:23 fling What else?
11:23 RealBadAngel then you have to call register function from stairs mod with your source block to get stairs
11:23 RealBadAngel hold on
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11:24 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest_gam​e/blob/master/mods/stairs/init.lua#L250
11:24 RealBadAngel here you have examples
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11:33 fling RealBadAngel: what is stairsplus mod doing? :P
11:33 RealBadAngel add more stairs?
11:34 fling hmm hmmmm
11:34 RealBadAngel also add other blocks not just stairs and slabs
11:35 RealBadAngel https://github.com/CasimirKaPazi/s​tairsplus/blob/master/init.lua#L12
11:35 Calinou More Blocks has those panels (1/4 node) and microblocks (1/8 node)
11:42 fling RealBadAngel: am I allowed to use stairs.register_stair_and_slab in a different mod?
11:43 RealBadAngel yes, thats why the function is exposed
11:43 fling great!
11:43 RealBadAngel its meant to be used by other mods
11:44 RealBadAngel the one from stairsplus also
11:47 fling RealBadAngel: getting : attempt to index global 'stairs' (a nil value)
11:48 RealBadAngel put stairs in depends.txt of your mod
11:48 fling RealBadAngel: great! thanks.
11:48 RealBadAngel this way you make sure stairs get loaded before your mod
11:51 fling The issue is "stairs:stair_nether_brick" not defined hmm hmmm
11:52 fling I added this to init.lua of nether -> stairs.register_stair_and_slab("brick", "nether:brick", {cracky = 3}, {"nether_brick.png"}, "Nether Brick Stair", "Nether Brick Slab", default.node_sound_stone_defaults())
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11:58 RealBadAngel fling i just added the line you pasted at the end of nether's init lua and got those stairs
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11:59 RealBadAngel where have you put that line?
12:01 fling stairs:stair_nether_brick ? are you sure with this exact name?
12:02 fling to nether/init.lua
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12:10 RealBadAngel i just copy pasted your line
12:11 RealBadAngel 2015-11-22 13:11:04: ACTION[Server]: singleplayer takes "stairs:stair_brick" from creative inventory
12:12 RealBadAngel maybe you should use "nether_brick" in the call
12:12 RealBadAngel this way you will get name: stairs:stair_nether_brick
12:13 RealBadAngel 2015-11-22 13:13:07: ACTION[Server]: singleplayer takes "stairs:stair_nether_brick" from creative inventory
12:13 RealBadAngel 2015-11-22 13:13:11: ACTION[Server]: singleplayer places node stairs:stair_nether_brick at (270,2,137)
12:13 RealBadAngel yeah
12:14 fling RealBadAngel: it works now! thanks.
12:15 fling RealBadAngel: I also have a bunch of unknown blocks, tried to identify using 'inspector' mod from the forum but it outputs nothing in the console for these blocks.
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12:15 fling RealBadAngel: this inspector -> https://bpaste.net/show/9d4d97a7569d
12:17 RealBadAngel if theres undefined node placed on the ground just try to dig it
12:17 fling Tried, it disappears, then appears again, drops nothing.
12:18 RealBadAngel you should see error
12:18 fling I see no error.
12:19 RealBadAngel weird
12:21 RealBadAngel that inspector thingy works for me
12:22 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/TxmxFt3.png
12:23 RealBadAngel here you can see error when trying to dig unknown node and above inventory msg from inspector
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12:23 fling I've seen the error even without inspector installed for the other unknown nodes.
12:24 fling I could upload the world and mods dir ;P
12:25 fling ahhh there is a tool
12:25 fling sorry ;P
12:26 * fling searched for inspector in the invertory and found inspector tool ;P
12:26 fling unknown block is homedecor:flower_pot_small
12:26 fling ok I will need to upload some repos today yay!
12:27 RealBadAngel about searching repos and stuff, get UnifiedInventory
12:29 rubenwardy :( https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_m​odding_book/pull/23/files?diff=unified#d​iff-15e8c2ae4fa729126903ceeb2c94b96dR99
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12:30 twoelk phew - it's been snowing all morning - winter has come :-)
12:31 fling RealBadAngel: looks like something is wrong with homedecor mod.
12:31 fling RealBadAngel: I can have the pot in my inventory but can't place it
12:31 fling RealBadAngel: it is also not mineable and not giving an error
12:31 fling RealBadAngel: and appears as unkn own node when already exsist in a world.
12:42 * fling added nether brick fence yay!
12:42 RealBadAngel are you sure you have up to date homedecor modpack/
12:42 RealBadAngel ?
12:42 fling Yes, it is a new install
12:43 RealBadAngel whats your version of the game?
12:44 fling 0.4.13-dev-d7bbe81-dirty
12:44 RealBadAngel ok, you got homedecor from here? https://github.com/VanessaE/home​decor_modpack/archive/master.zip
12:44 fling Yes.
12:46 RealBadAngel do you have UI installed?
12:46 fling UI?
12:46 rubenwardy !mod unified inventory
12:46 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Unified Inventory [unified_inventory] by RealBadAngel - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3933
12:47 fling No.
12:47 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-technic/​unified_inventory/archive/master.zip
12:47 RealBadAngel so get it
12:48 RealBadAngel type in the search field "pot" and see what does it show
12:48 RealBadAngel you should see 12 different items
12:49 fling RealBadAngel: installed.
12:49 fling RealBadAngel: yes I found the pot in creative inventory before I installed UI and it works fine in the inventory.
12:49 fling RealBadAngel: but I can't place it as I said.
12:50 RealBadAngel all the pots are not working?
12:51 fling Flower Pot (green) works
12:51 fling Small Flower Pot is not worknig
12:51 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/Bav5Q9N.png
12:52 RealBadAngel ah indeed, same here
12:52 fling ok, then it is a bug as I thougt.
12:52 RealBadAngel small flower pot is not a node
12:52 RealBadAngel its crafting item
12:53 RealBadAngel put it together with flower of your choice to get pot with flower
12:53 fling ahh!!!
12:53 fling It is unclear for me, ok.
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12:59 RealBadAngel you can see all the crafting recipes ingame with UI, or for homedecor itseld on this page: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vane​ssa/hobbies/minetest/homedecor-craft​ing-guide/homedecor-craft-guide.html
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13:19 Obani Guys, try this in minetest.conf
13:19 Obani console_color = (20,10,15)
13:19 Obani console_alpha = 150
13:19 Obani selectionbox_color = (50,40,60)
13:19 Obani selectionbox_width = 3
13:19 Obani crosshair_color = (200,200,200)
13:19 Obani was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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13:20 Obani it enhances a bit the game appearance :)
13:20 Calinou why would you want to darken the crosshair
13:20 Calinou also default console color is pretty good IMO
13:21 Calinou black selection box is also quite easy to see, except in the dark
13:21 Calinou if playing frequently in the dark, you may find (255,255,255) useful (white)
13:21 Obani well this one is much prettier to me ^^
13:21 Obani and dark-dark-red console looks great !
13:22 Obani for crosshair, I wanted to try but I'm not sure ^^
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13:58 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, any progress on 3166 or texture tear problem?
13:59 RealBadAngel not yet, im coding something else at the moment, much older stuff
14:00 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, btw, are you sure that with shaders MT is faster?
14:01 who_wants_some i mean fps is larger*
14:01 RealBadAngel depends what effects are you using
14:02 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, I've also discovered bug with D3D9, I loose inventory icons of certain items when alt+tab, that is bad, d3d9 was much faster and without texture problems
14:03 RealBadAngel directx? we dont support dx shaders at all
14:03 RealBadAngel texture problems are propably related to filtering
14:03 RealBadAngel anizotropic filtering eliminates weird texture patters
14:05 RealBadAngel theres also another problem with directx, i wonder if any of the devs have windows ;)
14:06 est31 blockmen has
14:06 est31 but yeah RBA is right we only have ogl shaders
14:06 est31 not even ogl es compatible ones
14:07 * est31 waits for vulkan's pressure to cause M$ to join the party ... in 15 years lol
14:09 RealBadAngel who_wants_some, http://imgur.com/a/qlmZ3
14:09 RealBadAngel here you can see anizotropic filtering off and on
14:10 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, I've noticed, what the problem?
14:10 RealBadAngel that so called texture tear problem is just not using filtering i suppose
14:10 who_wants_some i see papyrus rendering problem
14:11 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, i don't remember it on ice, wait a sec
14:11 RealBadAngel every texture is affected with it
14:11 RealBadAngel on some you can see it better than on the others
14:12 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, try seed and location from here https://i.imgur.com/XjdNcvZ.jpg
14:12 RealBadAngel also shaders put there they own 5 cents, bumpmapping and relief mapping are done in certain area around player
14:13 RealBadAngel using those effects for whole rendered world would be too heavy
14:13 est31 I'm sure that terasology has them enabled for the whole world
14:14 est31 I mean my computer has to do _something_ in the time it takes to render my 1 frame per second
14:14 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, very good screenshot with this problem -> https://i.imgur.com/FUxQ5ye.jpg
14:14 est31 at a viewing range of 8 blocks
14:14 est31 ermm I mean nodes ofc
14:14 est31 voxels
14:15 est31 idk how they call it
14:16 RealBadAngel who_wants_some, can you try the scene with anizotropic filtering on and off?
14:19 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, that screenshow was made with "mipmap + aniso filter"
14:19 who_wants_some screenshot*
14:19 RealBadAngel i see
14:19 who_wants_some let me do it without anizo
14:19 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, and shaders off iirc
14:20 who_wants_some yes, shaders off too
14:22 RealBadAngel i would like to have box with setup like one with such errors
14:22 RealBadAngel i dont have here any of those issues, i mean texture tear or fucked up wieldmesh
14:23 RealBadAngel hard to fix something that works ok for you
14:24 RealBadAngel atm i cant afford to buy another GFX card or build another box
14:24 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, without aniso -> https://i.imgur.com/xO5wTBC.jpg
14:25 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, you are on linux or windows?
14:25 RealBadAngel linux
14:27 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, this could be windows driver problem, look at my poll -> https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=13500
14:28 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, maybe it works good under linux but * * in windows
14:28 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, do you have another PC near by windows?
14:28 who_wants_some with* windows
14:29 RealBadAngel i dont
14:29 RealBadAngel i will make another box for testing but not now
14:30 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, i wonder if it possible to fire up vmware or vbox with windows xp, enable 3d and test it there
14:35 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, i've tried practically everything, changed every setting, and only cure for texture tear is d3d, but it has its own problems with icons and no shaders :/
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14:41 RealBadAngel hmm, we had some problems with fsaa
14:41 RealBadAngel have your drivers ability to turn it on/off ?
14:44 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, yes, i've tried that already, no help anyway
14:44 who_wants_some i've tried different driver settings
14:44 who_wants_some already
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14:52 RealBadAngel who_wants_some, can you find in your drivers app something like that? http://i.imgur.com/KZ4bM2x.png
14:53 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, yes
14:54 RealBadAngel so please try override off
14:54 who_wants_some i've tried that already
14:56 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, i've set it to "force it to off", no effect
14:56 RealBadAngel with reboot? maybe such settings need that
14:57 who_wants_some no need for reboot in windows
14:58 who_wants_some it applies immideatly
14:58 who_wants_some sorry for no spell checker, some text may be broken
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15:05 RealBadAngel i see no other way for me to fix it then other than having a platform with this bugs
15:06 who_wants_some RealBadAngel, or made a small partition and slap some windows on it
15:07 who_wants_some make*
15:07 Ingar "small"
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15:08 who_wants_some if xp it is indeed small
15:08 RealBadAngel i will try adding second hdd and put there winshit, we will see
15:09 who_wants_some my winshit sp1 folder is 29gb in size, lol
15:10 who_wants_some win7
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15:12 who_wants_some there are hacked xp version that are DSL-like small, 50-100 mb in size
15:12 who_wants_some versios*
15:12 who_wants_some guh, whatever
15:12 who_wants_some not sure if newer windows can be made that small
15:13 Krock Imagine, MS-DOS and tetris fits on a 720 KiB floppy
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15:13 est31 software is like gas
15:14 est31 but still, minetest still runs on XP!!
15:14 who_wants_some why imagine? i've played on spectrum with cassettes
15:14 who_wants_some dat loading time...
15:14 Krock est31, omg, it's even possible to compile it on win XP ^^
15:14 who_wants_some and no manual
15:15 who_wants_some still runs? it is on 12% of computers right now %)
15:15 est31 but we really should port minetest to SNES
15:15 who_wants_some win xp lives
15:15 est31 that would be fun I guess
15:15 Krock could eb really fun to detect the error source..
15:15 who_wants_some no wonder why people don't upgrade with w10 bs coming down the road
15:16 est31 well xp has many shortcomings
15:16 est31 in terms of security, and more
15:16 who_wants_some yeah, horrible security
15:16 Krock ^ for all windows versions
15:17 who_wants_some android is worse
15:17 who_wants_some at least you can upgrade on PC
15:17 Krock I think nerds could update the android version with no problem
15:17 who_wants_some on smart/tablet-crap you end up with outdated OS with open doors wide open
15:18 who_wants_some yes, nerds
15:18 who_wants_some updating that crap is not a trivial process
15:19 everamzah if it were easy would people be so eager to buy new hardware? ;)
15:19 who_wants_some tablet/smart hype already dies down
15:19 who_wants_some soon they will cry about post-smartphone area
15:19 who_wants_some era*
15:19 Krock everybody buy an apple watch, which lasts 2 hours before you must charge it again
15:20 Krock !
15:20 est31 if you have cyanogenmod its quite easy
15:20 who_wants_some buy a toaster with linux
15:20 est31 if all your apps are cyanogenmod and f-droid, you have clear update paths
15:20 who_wants_some that way you can make a toast and a cheap server with 2GB or RAM and 1TB of storage
15:21 Krock A toaster, running Linux .. what what?
15:21 who_wants_some Cyanogen does not even support my phone and tablet, and something is always broken
15:21 who_wants_some at least it was not tested
15:22 who_wants_some Krock, or some kind of LinuxWatch, debian included (tm)(r)
15:22 est31 I always watch out that I buy things that support cyanogenmod
15:22 est31 but yeah, I've bought i9100, so that will be supported for the next decade I guess
15:22 est31 just too popular
15:22 who_wants_some that could help
15:24 who_wants_some in those days you need to watch out, crap everywhere
15:25 who_wants_some there is also some bs coming down the road at you
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15:26 who_wants_some at us*
15:33 Calinou <est31> but still, minetest still runs on XP!!
15:33 Calinou maybe we can drop support for it in 2016
15:34 Calinou <who_wants_some> android is worse
15:34 est31 kicking out Krock in the process?
15:34 Calinou you can upgrade your Android ROM yourself too :)
15:34 est31 thats mean!
15:34 Krock nuuh pls don't hurt me
15:35 who_wants_some there are lots of people with XP, wonder how many of them visit forum and site
15:35 who_wants_some wait, but does it run on Win98? that would be perfect!1
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15:36 est31 sfan5 what are the links to your last stats?
15:36 Krock who_wants_some, it stops working on W2k
15:36 sfan5 est31: 11th july 14 http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
15:37 sfan5 or do you mean serverlist?
15:37 est31 yes
15:37 sfan5 https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/se​rverlist_stats_2015-03-14.txt
15:37 Calinou who_wants_some, the OpenArena developer liked to keep Windows 98 support for a while
15:37 Calinou he ultimately removed it
15:38 est31 we have about 1% XP users
15:38 Krock and 12% of all Windows players..
15:40 est31 we know that 15% of our users use obviously illegal IOS apps :)
15:40 Krock That goes into the category "fun facts"
15:40 est31 so we have more illegals than windows users
15:41 who_wants_some you mean jailbreaked Ios?
15:41 Krock call the NSA!
15:41 est31 no Krock call Trump
15:41 est31 he sends them back
15:41 sfan5 who_wants_some: no
15:41 Krock oh right, forgot him
15:41 sfan5 there is no official Minetest app for iOS
15:41 who_wants_some ah
15:41 sfan5 that means those players are using cheap clones
15:41 sfan5 which probably do not adhere to the GPL
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15:41 Calinou http://www.gnu.org/software/for-ios.html
15:41 Calinou fun fact: GNU endorses software for iOS
15:41 Calinou this is pretty new
15:42 who_wants_some MC runs under W98SE
15:42 who_wants_some funny
15:42 who_wants_some also GTA: San Andreas
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15:42 Calinou there are only 4 right now
15:42 Krock o.o
15:42 who_wants_some endorses ios? wth is that
15:42 fling haha!
15:42 est31 Calinou, GNU endorses??
15:42 fling this is funny
15:42 Calinou they endorse the software for it, not iOS itself
15:42 est31 I've thought (L)GPL licensed software was banned from iOS
15:42 who_wants_some that is just... 4 open source programs for Ios? that is amazing
15:43 est31 no
15:43 est31 4 GPL programs
15:43 est31 or at least thats what I am interpreting
15:43 Calinou actually VLC is mostly LGPL, Vim has Vim license (which has dual-license with GPL)
15:44 est31 VLC was rewritten I've heard to be MIT licensed, no?
15:44 Calinou no, they asked contributors for LGPL relicense of the core
15:44 est31 total waste of resources IMO
15:44 who_wants_some btw, I have crap in my shelf, it is called smart TV? it has android, what should i do with it?
15:44 Calinou permissive rewrites are often technically better than copyleft ones :P
15:44 Calinou a good example of this is https://github.com/ogham/exa
15:44 est31 isn't LGPL forbidden on iOS app store?
15:44 Calinou it doesn't seem to be
15:44 Calinou also GPL is allowed, provided you add an exception
15:44 est31 well yeah
15:45 fling Calinou: what exception?
15:45 Krock who_wants_some, move it to your trash bin.
15:45 est31 you can also add an exception "feel free to make non-GPL conformant derivates of this software, go on, pervert the GPL!"
15:46 est31 totally your right, GPL is a non-exclusive license
15:46 est31 just there is no sense in it
15:46 fling who_wants_some: do you want a little pot? -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBKfICSIgR0
15:46 Calinou fling, it's an exception that allows publishing on iOS App Store without following the terms of the license
15:46 who_wants_some fling, nope
15:46 Calinou it has to be granted by the copyright holder(s)
15:47 Calinou so if you have substantial contributors, you have to ask their permission
15:49 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Update HUD flags on server like on client a4e3ed0 http://git.io/vBfEq (2015-11-22T16:49:20+01:00)
15:50 fling Is there a client-side player animation mod?
15:50 fling Something for better head movement? Limbs anyone?
15:50 est31 head movement cant be done due to irrlicht problems
15:50 est31 idk whether they are resolved
15:51 est31 its old bug thougjh
15:51 est31 though*
15:51 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2716
15:52 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1800
15:52 Calinou is player pitch even sent to the server?
15:52 Calinou IIRC, no, and entities don't have pitch
15:53 est31 idk, you opened one of the bugs
15:53 est31 some time ago :P
15:53 est31 no please remember it all
15:53 est31 *evil laugh *
15:54 * Krock looks worried at est31
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15:56 est31 but yeah Calinou is right only yaw is sent no pitch
15:56 est31 content_cao.cpp line 624
15:59 Calinou let's fix it
15:59 Calinou make the player impossible to look up/down
16:03 rubenwardy +1
16:05 DFeniks how do you separate stacks on android client? asking for a friend
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16:10 crazyR est31: whats the chances of this working? https://gist.github.com/cra​zyR14/9beeb38bddfa8bd905e2
16:11 crazyR oh he's gone lol
16:11 bark1 I'm trying to make diamonds have a 50% chance of dropping when mining obsidian. I'm missing the last part of the code - the actual "spawn-item-command". Can anyone point me in a direction? (http://pb.rbfh.de/12zdKhhBObqss)
16:11 Calinou bark1, read the default:leaves code in games/minetest_game/mods/default/nodes.lua
16:12 Calinou it'd be copypasta, but it works :)
16:12 bark1 thanks for the advice!
16:12 sfan5 crazyR: thats hacky but will probably work
16:12 crazyR i know its hacky, just not sure of a better way of doing it.
16:13 sfan5 bark1: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/b​lob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L459-L473
16:16 crazyR sfan5: Do you know if there is there anyway i could do the same as above to the on_receive_fields() callback in nodes?
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16:17 sfan5 crazyR: you mean also call newFunc instead of on_receive_fields on nodes?
16:18 crazyR yeah pretty much, Im just looking for a way that i can manipulate the feilds data before the function is called. but it has to work on all existing nodes/forms etc
16:23 sfan5 well you'd need to soft-depend on every mod and rewrite register_node the same way
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16:26 crazyR hmm, that wont work in this situation but thanks. Gues il have to rethink this idea lol
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16:43 rubenwardy Added loads more anchor links to http://rubenwardy.com/minete​st_modding_book/lua_api.html
16:43 rubenwardy much easy to pick a specific place
16:43 RealBadAngel DFeniks, tap an item with 2 fingers and split them
16:43 RealBadAngel not comfortable but works
16:50 E4xoi hai hai
16:50 E4xoi C++11 is kinda decent, like, compared to C++03
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16:54 sfan5 rubenwardy: >no SSL
16:54 rubenwardy why would I need https://? I'm not a bank
16:55 sfan5 you're not?
16:55 sfan5 ok then
16:56 Ingar the more useless traffic has to be decrypted by the NSA the better
16:56 rubenwardy It's hosted by github pages, which doesn't support ssl anyway
16:56 Ingar :(
17:03 nrzkt rubenwardy, i can propose you to do a man in the middle on your page with a password and try it on all your accounts to see if it's same as FB, Twitter, etc :p
17:03 rubenwardy I have no logins at all
17:04 nrzkt are you sure you didn't have a login on github and the related mail address?
17:04 rubenwardy Yes, but I push using git
17:05 nrzkt which use ? an authentication :p
17:05 rubenwardy this is my website: https://github.com/rubenwardy/rubenwardy.github.io
17:05 nrzkt and if you are using SSH okay you have a key, but i can push on github using HTTP
17:05 nrzkt and then with your login/pwd
17:05 rubenwardy I use https:// to push to github
17:06 nrzkt okay then, but don't say you didn't need https :p
17:06 rubenwardy I don't need it on rubenwardy.com
17:06 rubenwardy I have zero public logins there
17:08 rubenwardy "I'm not a bank" was a bit of an exageration
17:21 Obani Calinou, crosshair with alpha is really nice looking on new Minetest dev versions :D
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17:25 hoodedice https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
17:32 who_wants_some whaat?
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17:39 hoodedice auto corrects and inputs terminal command typos
17:39 RealBadAngel hehe, thats nice
17:39 hoodedice pressing up and then correcting is better IMO, but this is a nice party (workplace) trick
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17:41 Krock hoodedice, what a lovely correction feature :D
17:41 hoodedice indeed
17:42 Krock most used word in the last week: fuck (50%)
17:44 Obani rubenwardy, I'm writing something on your ctf server, I hope you'll read it carrefully :)
17:45 Obani (not posted yet)
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18:00 rubenwardy Yeah, just read the logs just now
18:00 rubenwardy up-to-date
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18:09 cimbakahn Hello!
18:09 cimbakahn I am looking at this page, and i am confused ----> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/L​ubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
18:09 cimbakahn I am looking for something in between the bare minimum install and the full install.  And i want a graphical installer.  Can anyone help?
18:09 cimbakahn Which download do i click on?  I want the newest one, but NOT the daily build.
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18:10 cimbakahn Sorry!  Wrong room.
18:11 Krock Happens..
18:12 Krock Daily is the newest build...
18:12 cimbakahn Yes.  But daily means you'll get updates every single day so i don't want that one.
18:14 cimbakahn I wonder if you can get Wily without getting daily......
18:14 Krock Dunno much about Linux but can't that update function be turned off?
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18:17 Calinou cimbakahn, you can try Debian Xfce/LXDE, for a lightweight, yet graphical distribution
18:17 Calinou http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/n​on-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/am​d64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
18:17 Calinou (requires an Internet connection while installing)
18:17 Calinou it asks you for the desktop environment to install during the process, you can choose one or many
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18:47 Obani rubenwardy, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=10&amp;t=13157&amp;p=199089#p199089
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18:56 rubenwardy seen it
18:56 rubenwardy thanks
18:56 Obani I would like to thank devs for their work on the new settings menu. It light be a bit complicated for newbies but is a very useful tool to customize MT client :D
18:56 rubenwardy replying
18:57 Obani rubenwardy, it's normal that you have problems on your server, as it's a new server
18:57 Krock new = problems, old = more problems?
18:58 Obani old = problems, ancient = depend of if its maintained :p
18:59 Obani on*
19:00 Obani rubenwardy, IMO, capture the flag would be really cool if it was looking like Planet Side  a big map and many players scoring for their team and making strategy to approach base/defend their own
19:01 Obani afk
19:02 hoodedice >  a big map and many players
19:02 hoodedice > minetest
19:02 hoodedice choose one
19:02 Calinou hi hoodedice
19:02 hoodedice ello
19:02 Calinou hoodedice, check out my game made using Godot: https://github.com/Veraball/veraball
19:03 hoodedice Calinou, second time
19:03 Calinou (I can make you a Windows export, if you want)
19:03 hoodedice pls
19:03 Calinou well I updated it quite a bit
19:03 hoodedice I'll bookmark it, and will ask cortana to remind me about it after my finals =D
19:04 microsoftshill hurr durr hey guys have you heard of continuum?
19:08 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=10&amp;t=13157&amp;p=199093#p199093
19:08 rubenwardy Obani,
19:09 rubenwardy edited
19:11 sfan5 microsoftshill: no wat is that
19:12 microsoftshill hurr continuum is like the best thing evar
19:12 microsoftshill and it is totally not ripped off from ubuntu's convergence (it actually was developed at the same time)
19:13 microsoftshill you can use your phone as a PC by docking it with a Microsoft™ Dock
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19:15 hoodedice mfw <candide> You have been temporarily banned due to nick-change flooding.  You will be unbanned in 30 minutes.
19:15 hoodedice ##C pls
19:16 sfan5 lelele
19:16 Calinou hoodedice, https://up1.ca/#q0IYHG1B03giJ0ZzcYTJFA
19:16 Calinou 32-bit Windows binary.
19:16 Calinou please report to me, does it have an icon?
19:16 Calinou (the Veraball logo, being a circle with dotted line)
19:16 Calinou and can you run it?
19:16 Calinou (I use export templates from http://fixnum.org/godot)
19:18 hoodedice displays no logo, app displays godot logo in title bar, and everything is grey
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19:19 Calinou good to know :s
19:19 hoodedice tl;dr doesn't work
19:20 Krock hoodedice, the long explanation is better than the tl;dr version in this case ;)
19:20 Calinou hope it will work with stable 2.0 templates, when they will be released
19:20 Krock At least if someone tries to fix the bugs
19:21 hoodedice Krock, my actual bug reports tend to be quite long =D
19:21 hoodedice but this isn't ##veraball
19:21 Krock hoodedice, yeah, sure. a novel isn't needed
19:21 Calinou I don't have an IRC channel (yet?)
19:22 Krock Let's open it: #calinou
19:22 Calinou the game is in its early states, I started ~12 days ago
19:23 hoodedice Krock, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1039
19:23 hoodedice or https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1191
19:24 hoodedice I'm busy, if you get me after the finals, I might even pop open VS and try to debug it :P /s
19:26 * sfan5 debugs hoodedice
19:27 hoodedice Segmentation Fault (core dumped)
19:30 Krock rofl
19:32 hoodedice something funny I just thought up: Fragmentation fault (FAT12 dumped)
19:33 Obani rubenwardy, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=10&amp;t=13157&amp;p=199101#p199101
19:36 rubenwardy replied https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=199102#p199102
19:47 Yepoleb Calinou: I'm playing it, the first level is really hard
19:48 who_wants_some Javascript is required to view and upload files.
19:48 who_wants_some oh come on
19:49 Calinou Yepoleb, you can jump using Space bar
19:50 Krock move forward, using W
19:51 Calinou W, Z, Up arrow all work
19:51 Calinou (so that AZERTY keyboards can play too)
19:51 Krock depends on settings
19:52 Calinou Krock, Godot isn't supposed to work on Windows XP :p
19:53 Yepoleb Calinou: It took me about 15 tries to finish the first level, most players would have quit already
19:54 Krock I don't give a shit about that, Calinou
19:55 Yepoleb Calinou: Make sure the player can do it in less than 3 tries, or he will get frustrated
19:55 Calinou Yepoleb, the levels will heavily change anyway in the future :P
19:56 Yepoleb Yeah, just make sure the first levels are easy, so the player can gain confidence
19:57 Calinou there will be level packs too, probably
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20:19 who_wants_some VanessaE, you here?
20:20 who_wants_some VanessaE, I've noticed that some signs on your servers are backwards
20:27 JohnnyComeL8ly who_wants_some, no, they're just partly translated Hebrew....
20:28 Obani rubenwardy, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=10&amp;t=13157&amp;p=199108#p199108
20:32 JohnnyComeL8ly who_wants_some, OR, it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boustrophedon
20:33 * JohnnyComeL8ly is going to LinuxGaming
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20:52 blaise Hello?
20:53 blaise wtf, I thought I authed via nickserv
20:53 blaise gah damnah
20:53 blaise oh wait, I guess I did
20:53 blaise is anyone here online?
20:53 blaise what's up with mobs? what's the laitest craze?
20:53 blaise anyone?
20:54 blaise Herro?
20:58 Yepoleb blaise: hi
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20:58 blaise Yepoleb: hello!
20:59 blaise hey so like...
20:59 blaise I think mobf and/or animals mod pack is broken with >=minetest-0.4.12
20:59 blaise definitly not working with minetest-0.4.13
20:59 Yepoleb Calinou: I just tried the second level and the coin sparkes are awesome
20:59 blaise anyone know anything about that?
21:00 hoodedice can you please try to type everything in one message? Thanks
21:02 blaise hoodedice: I'm afraid that's impossible as I don't know what I'm going to type on the next line.. that's what the carriage return key is for.. to end the line <EOL>
21:03 hoodedice <blaise> hey so like... I think mobf and/or animals mod pack is broken with >=minetest-0.4.12, and definitly not working with minetest-0.4.13
21:03 hoodedice there you go.
21:03 blaise hoodedice: if you don't like people, you could always change your irc client to block people that send more than 5 lines in 30 seconds
21:04 blaise viola
21:04 hoodedice okay then.
21:04 hoodedice !next
21:04 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
21:04 blaise :D
21:05 Yepoleb blaise: i can't do that on my client
21:07 blaise so now that I've been harrassed by hoodedice for my carriage return key abuse.. would anyone happen to know if animals modpack 2.4.2 works with minetest-0.4.13 ?
21:07 hoodedice > harassed
21:08 blaise s/harrassed/harassed/herassedded/
21:08 Yepoleb what?
21:08 hoodedice sfan5, whatever happened to auto-kicking for flooding? Was that a shadowbot feature>
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21:09 sfan5 hoodedice: yes
21:09 hoodedice you disappoint me
21:09 blaise Yepoleb: the functionality I refer to is available in all irc clients..
21:09 blaise hoodedice: who, me?
21:09 hoodedice no, sfan
21:09 Yepoleb blaise: pls teach me
21:09 hoodedice blaise, it is also available in all channels
21:10 hoodedice it is called "tell chanop that someone is flooding"
21:10 blaise Yepoleb: I'm afraid I don't have time to show you how to use your irc client.. please refer to the documentation...
21:10 blaise Yepoleb: http://www.quassel-irc.org/
21:11 Yepoleb blaise: can't find it
21:12 blaise hoodedice: so, you have no idea towards the functionality of animals-modpack-2.4.2 in minetest-0.4.13 ?
21:12 hoodedice no
21:12 hoodedice if I did, I would've told you
21:13 blaise interesting, thanks
21:15 Yepoleb blaise: have you looked at the forums post? https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=629
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21:17 cimbakahn Can you install Minetest on GhostBSD 10.1 MATE?
21:18 cimbakahn Here it is on Distrowatch ------> http://distrowatch.com/tabl​e.php?distribution=ghostbsd
21:20 Yepoleb cimbakahn: if it's based on freebsd it should work
21:20 Yepoleb check out the download page for instructions http://www.minetest.net/downloads/
21:20 cimbakahn Let me look.
21:21 cimbakahn Based on: FreeBSD  Yep!  It is!
21:23 cimbakahn Oh my gosh!  I hope i don't have to compile it.  I have never compiled a package before.
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21:25 Yepoleb cimbakahn: you use bsd and are scared of compiling?
21:25 cimbakahn Ok.  There is a pkg method.  Phew!  pkg install minetest minetest_game
21:26 cimbakahn I do not use bsd.  I am thinking about installing it.  That is why i asked in the first place.
21:26 cimbakahn I am currently using LXLE.
21:27 cimbakahn This is what i am using ------> http://lxle.net/
21:28 cimbakahn This is what i'm thinking about installing ----> http://www.ghostbsd.org/
21:29 blaise lmao
21:30 Yepoleb cimbakahn: stick with ubuntu until you're comfortable compiling
21:30 blaise maybe you should stay away from bsd till you're more comfortable with handeling source code..
21:30 cimbakahn I have been using linux for over a year now.  Previously i have used Debian and Debian/Ubuntu based distros.
21:31 blaise seriously, if you're scared to compile code yourself you might have a bad time with bsd
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21:31 blaise minetest is actually pretty trivial to compile
21:31 Yepoleb cimbakahn: do you have a richard stallman beard?
21:31 cimbakahn If they have enough programs to make me comfortable, why not try it?
21:31 cimbakahn HAHAHA!  No!
21:32 cimbakahn I am a 53 Y.O. female.
21:33 Yepoleb cimbakahn: everything's possible if you believe in yourself
21:34 cimbakahn I remember the days when i was skittish about trying linux.  It took me 8 months to make up my mind if i was going to do it or not.
21:35 cimbakahn Now, i don't know how i can live without a Linux OS.  I could never have as much fun with Windows.
21:36 cimbakahn Sometimes change is necessary for a persons growth.  Wouldn't you agree?
21:38 Yepoleb cimbakahn: idk, i'm fine with using the stuff that works
21:40 cimbakahn Me too!  But sometimes i like to check out other distros.  Never know, i might find something i like better than LinuxMint.
21:56 Calinou <Yepoleb> Calinou: I just tried the second level and the coin sparkes are awesome
21:56 Calinou yeah, Godot has a powerful particle system
21:56 Calinou but they can't collide with the world (fade when touching, bounce, stick to surfaces…)
21:58 everamzah do sid
21:58 everamzah cimbakahn
21:58 cimbakahn Yes!
21:58 cimbakahn sid?
21:59 everamzah yea its debian but anything else is fun, i agree. even to break it!
21:59 everamzah sid motto is when you break it, you get to keep all the pieces, or something..
21:59 everamzah but i tried openbsd before, i really liked that one
22:00 cimbakahn I see.
22:01 everamzah https://www.debian.org/releases/sid/
22:02 Yepoleb everamzah: sid is pretty stable, i rarely have problems with it
22:02 cimbakahn I have been checking out these videos ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY1AYQdO54o    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x39k2bz
22:02 cimbakahn I am looking at it now.
22:03 everamzah i guess you get the devel installer, and then change repo target to sid or unstable and dist-upgrade
22:03 everamzah but maybe that's not the proper procedure
22:04 everamzah https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
22:04 Yepoleb Calinou: Something else i noticed was that some surfaces are completely black. Can you add a second lightsource that's only provides a minimum amount of light?
22:05 cimbakahn It looks a little chancey.
22:05 Yepoleb I always got the latest testing iso and upgraded from there
22:05 everamzah it can be, but it's calmer now that some time has passed since jessie's release, from what i understand
22:05 everamzah ok yea, that's the only way i ever knew how to do it
22:05 Yepoleb I don't think there are sid images
22:07 cimbakahn Lately i have been looking for distros that are very new but stable.
22:07 * thePalindrome uses gentoo, but that's mainly compiling :P
22:07 Calinou Yepoleb, there's a small ambient light
22:07 Calinou if your screen is too dark/has bad contrast, you may not notice it
22:07 everamzah you can't have your cake and eat it, too
22:08 everamzah always wanted to say that
22:08 thePalindrome But... cake D:
22:08 Yepoleb it doesn't even make sense
22:09 Yepoleb why can't i eat my own cake?
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22:11 Yepoleb Calinou: on fullscreen i can barely see it
22:12 everamzah i was remarking on the stability of new software, if that's what you meant by new distros. if it's new software, it may not be as tested or stable.
22:12 everamzah i just thought.. hehe
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22:13 Calinou Fedora is known to be pretty robust, yet it has recent software
22:18 everamzah they're pretty cool
22:18 everamzah probably pretty motivated
22:18 everamzah i liked arch wiki
22:18 everamzah like*
22:19 thePalindrome Fedora is the "testing" version of RHEL
22:20 everamzah but from what i see there's testing or preview releases of fedora, so it's like testing-testing
22:21 thePalindrome yeah, rawhide is basically sid
22:26 Calinou I should upgrade to 23, I'm still on 22
22:26 * thePalindrome doesn't use Fedora anymore, because systemd
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22:33 Calinou rubenwardy, https://github.com/rubenwar​dy/capturetheflag/issues/7 -> 8 is too much I'd say
22:33 Calinou try 5, and 2 for crouch
22:33 Calinou keep acceleration to their default values
22:36 rubenwardy thanks
22:38 cimbakahn Sorry!  I got busy.  See you later.
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22:49 who_wants_some ohohoho...
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23:03 Calinou http://www.gimp.org/ was remade!!
23:03 thePalindrome Reminds me of the blender website
23:03 Calinou and 2.8.14
23:03 Calinou 2.8.16*
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