Time  Nick            Message
00:10 luizrpgluiz     hoodedice: I've read the lua.api but he did not talk like that generates the tree done in treedef
00:25 rubenwardy      This 3D voxel artist is pretty interesting: https://twitter.com/Sir_carma
00:25 rubenwardy      and pretty
00:29 luizrpgluiz     rubenwardy: treedef it is possible to generate the map using vector?
00:29 rubenwardy      I don't know anything about treedef
00:30 rubenwardy      Paramat is the one to talk to, if he's willing
00:30 luizrpgluiz     rubenwardy: l system tree?
00:30 rubenwardy      I've never used that feature
00:31 rubenwardy      !dev l-system
00:31 MinetestBot     No such page.
00:31 rubenwardy      Have you read http://dev.minetest.net/Introduction_to_L-system_trees?
00:31 rubenwardy      and http://dev.minetest.net/L-system_tree_examples
00:33 luizrpgluiz     rubenwardy:I've read them, the problem is to spawn during the generation of the world
00:45 rubenwardy      I'm applying to an Internship rn 8D
00:57 kaeza           o/
00:58 * VanessaE      peeks in
02:32 Sokomine        ok :-) mg_villages released now. i've finally written the documentation (for now) :-)
02:32 * Sokomine      looks a bit relaxed after that work
02:38 tim_flatus      Good work Sokomine, I should have a proper look at it.
02:38 * tim_flatus    is watching snow fall currently
02:40 Sokomine        rl or mt?
02:40 tim_flatus      mt
02:43 tim_flatus      I just reinstated settling in the latest version of snowdrift - seems fit for purpose.
02:44 tim_flatus      Don't really understand why paramat took it out.
02:45 tim_flatus      Perfectionism probably
02:45 Sokomine        i had some problems with some versions of snow and rain. some where just too much for my poor igp
02:45 Sokomine        not sure which approach snowdrift uses now
02:48 tim_flatus      It's fine in singleplayer - using add_node is suboptimal, but it works.
02:51 tim_flatus      Now I'll see if I can get it melt gracefully
02:57 Sokomine        hmm. melting is a bit tricky. that usually leads to further problems. my villages use a modified version of torches so that they do not melt the snow around them
02:58 Sokomine        but if you like winter...don't forget to use my moresnow mod. mauvebics 4seasons mod was also great - at least in singleplayer
02:59 tim_flatus      I'll check them out
03:00 tim_flatus      My main concern is not to have too many abms running at once
03:02 tim_flatus      Particularly ones that do area checks
03:06 tim_flatus      You know all the images are broken on the moresnow forum page Sokomine?
03:13 Sokomine        grr. image hosters just tend to disappear :-(
03:14 Sokomine        this time, i've done the documentation for mg_villages on github directly. all image hosters i've used before for mod documentation did disappear. hope no one will blame me should github disappear as well :-/
03:19 tim_flatus      If github disappears ... game over. Or at least we all have to move :-)
03:49 swift110-phone  Hey all
06:27 fling           Don't I need irrlicht for a dedicated server?
06:36 fling           I don't…
07:20 CWz             [off] https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13590&p=198222#p198222 *facepalm*
07:22 fling           irrlicht wants me to build 46 deps
07:22 fling           Is not it possible to avoid?
07:31 swift110-phone  Hey
08:13 fling           swift110-phone: hello.
10:03 JamesTait       Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Button Day! 😃
11:27 technics        huhu :) is there "only" the irc mod or is it also possible to connect to xmpp for example some how?
12:01 who_wants_some  maybe by using irc 2 jabber gate
12:23 Calinou         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13575&p=198243#p198243
12:23 Calinou         :(
12:23 Calinou         3 iterations, and still very close to the original
12:35 technics        who_wants_some will try that, if there arent another solution...just installed the irc mod now...
13:17 amadin          Hi all, i can't migrate to leveldb from mysql, whats wrong?
13:18 amadin          minetestserver --migrate leveldb --world /home/minetes/minetest/worlds/world 2015-11-16 16:08:12: ERROR[Main]: Cannot read world.mt!
13:19 amadin          and in world.mt all mods are turn off now (was on)
13:30 tim_flatus      I'm working on mapgen again, still trying to understand perlin noise better. Mostly it is painfully slow trial and error. :(
13:31 tim_flatus      I'm still confused about how offset and scale work - and how that relates to spread. Does scale mutiply the result and then the offset applied?
13:31 tim_flatus      How would I find out?
13:32 tim_flatus      Mostly I want to get a more varied density for decoration placement, so plants clump together more with bigger spaces in between
13:34 tim_flatus      It's hard to know even where the best place to ask this question is, or where to find information. I have googled "perlin noise" enough to make my eyes bleed, what I need to know about is the minetest implementation.
13:34 tim_flatus      I guess I'm talking to air right now :/
13:37 tim_flatus      I'll post this under modding questions on the forum
14:41 tim_flatus      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9215&p=198262#p198262
15:25 JohnnyComeL8ly  Hello, y'all.
15:39 thePalindrome   Morning
15:40 tim_flatus      Afternoon
15:47 JohnnyComeL8ly  Yes, it is morning... I should have said so.
15:48 tim_flatus      Being an international forum, it's all relative ;-)
15:48 JohnnyComeL8ly  I know, but I wanted to poke you a tad. ;-)
15:50 JohnnyComeL8ly  Btw, does anybody know about how much freelikegnu *loves* Windos? ;-)
15:50 iamrohit7       JohnnyComeL8ly: yes, 0%.
15:50 tim_flatus      I can guess
15:51 JohnnyComeL8ly  Yeah, I saw his name in the list and I guessed 0% too.
15:53 tim_flatus      Nor is he in the least like that dreadful haartebeeste
15:54 JohnnyComeL8ly  Does he whine about how there are server restrictions which GNU doesn't place on people?  (I've heard that before from another dude, I think.)
15:55 tim_flatus      Are you trying to start a fight JohnnyComeL8ly? Please don't bother.
15:55 JohnnyComeL8ly  server restrictions = server admin/owner restrictions (thinks like cussing being disallowed.)
15:56 JohnnyComeL8ly  tim_flatus: I wasn't trying to start a fight, sorry if it came/comes across that way.
15:57 tim_flatus      As minetest is open source, this doesn't really come up.
15:58 JohnnyComeL8ly  I did on Linuxgaming... that's why I thought it was a possibility.
15:59 JohnnyComeL8ly  Enough said, I suppose.
16:05 Sokomine        er...where the images on imgrush saved and are they offered elsewhere now? i don't remember :-( maybe i ought to put the entire documentation up on github instead of on the forum...
16:08 tim_flatus      Or as well as ...
16:08 tim_flatus      I've taken to self-hosting images
16:08 thePalindrome   is there a "who's who" page?
16:09 tim_flatus      for what thePalindrome? The dev team?
16:09 thePalindrome   that and irc/forum
16:10 tim_flatus      Like this? http://www.minetest.net/credits/
16:10 Sokomine        that'd be more safe. but then i'd need a domain for it, and a domain requires revealing my real name, which is not very helpful to anyone and could just be abused
16:11 fling           verb
16:12 thePalindrome   there is who is guard though
16:12 Sokomine        hm, yes, and that costs extra?
16:13 thePalindrome   I think $12 a year except the first
16:13 thePalindrome   with namecheap at least
16:13 Sokomine        hmm. sounds reasonable...webhosting as such got pretty cheap. still...it seems so exaggerated
16:14 thePalindrome   I could help I guess
16:14 thePalindrome   Just need to set up an upload system
16:14 Sokomine        hmm. and then your webspace will disappear next? :-/
16:15 thePalindrome   touche
16:15 thePalindrome   what about the minetest server?
16:15 Sokomine        maybe i really ought to use github more for that. at least that's where the code is hosted...hosting the documentation there as well sounds reasonable....
16:16 JohnnyComeL8ly  Not to mention that people like VZW (ISP) firewall you so that you can't have incoming connections.... You pay for that "added" functionality.
16:16 thePalindrome   I'd say so. I see a lot of doc/ on github
16:16 thePalindrome   I have a server
16:17 tim_flatus      It is reasonable. I think everyone should actually use the github wiki facility, even if just to mirror the docs. I usually look and am frequently disappointed.
16:17 Sokomine        JohnnyComeL8ly: well, at least i havn't got that problem. i could host a server here. except that the upload is too small to actually do so
16:18 Sokomine        hm, yes, that wiki system on github seems quite practical anyway
16:18 Sokomine        now i'll have to locate all those lost textures *again* :-//
16:18 tim_flatus      It provides a 'one stop shop' :-)
16:18 JohnnyComeL8ly  Figuratively, the ISPs put you on a stool and surround you with lava....
16:20 thePalindrome   There we go, on a keyboard now
16:22 Sokomine        some try. i'm quite satisfied with my isp. it's a slow connection, but they do a good job. calling them in the rare ocassion when there's some support needed ended up in contact with people who knew their job. they where friendly and helpful. that's why i still stick to that slow connection instead of switching to an ultra-fast one where existing customers are considered to be an annoyance at best
16:24 tim_flatus      JohnnyComeL8ly: you have to shop around. I have hosting and ISP that don't do that.
16:25 tim_flatus      And a fibre optic connection :-)
16:26 * thePalindrome has fiber at home
16:29 JohnnyComeL8ly  tim_flatus: Lemme guess, you live in the city?
16:29 thePalindrome   nope, suburban boy
16:30 tim_flatus      JohnnyComeL8ly: nope, the styx
16:30 thePalindrome   Oh wait, that question wasn't for me :P
16:30 JohnnyComeL8ly  How in the world did you get fiber there?
16:30 tim_flatus      ??? I signed up for it.
16:30 JohnnyComeL8ly  thePalindrome: That's ok, I wanted to ask you to, but you saved me the trouble.
16:31 JohnnyComeL8ly  tim_flatus: Yeah, yeah....
16:31 tim_flatus      Most places with a telephone exchange have fibre optic over here. I mean, possibly not in the Orkneys ...
16:31 JohnnyComeL8ly  You signed up for it, but I've not heard of anybody "in the styx" getting fiber.
16:32 tim_flatus      You live in a backward country clearly :D
16:32 JohnnyComeL8ly  USA?
16:32 JohnnyComeL8ly  I'd agree.
16:32 * tim_flatus    pokes JohnnyComeL8ly back
16:32 JohnnyComeL8ly  :-P
16:33 JohnnyComeL8ly  No, seriously, I'm near Dayton TX.
16:35 tim_flatus      I guess it's much easier to wire up a small country
16:36 JohnnyComeL8ly  Yeah. :-(
16:36 thePalindrome   Texas is the best country, no? ;)
16:36 JohnnyComeL8ly  Amen!
16:37 * thePalindrome is in MormonLand
16:37 JohnnyComeL8ly  In some ways...  in someways not.  They didn't go far enough with some freedoms.
16:37 tim_flatus      LoL
16:37 JohnnyComeL8ly  thePalindrome: Utah?
16:37 JohnnyComeL8ly  I'm forgetting....
16:37 thePalindrome   Yup
16:39 tim_flatus      The place that produced Janis Joplin must have some redeeming features
16:39 thePalindrome   ?
16:40 JohnnyComeL8ly  ? tim?
16:40 tim_flatus      She was born in Port Arthur
16:41 tim_flatus      No I wasn't talking about Utah :D
16:41 thePalindrome   Wisconsin?
16:41 thePalindrome   :P
16:41 thePalindrome   Utah has Ted Bundy, so that's something :P
16:43 JohnnyComeL8ly  tim_flatus: I just looked her up... she is rather a mess.
16:43 tim_flatus      was
16:43 JohnnyComeL8ly  Yes, I know she's dead.
16:43 tim_flatus      Most creative geniuses are ...
16:44 JohnnyComeL8ly  But, all things considered... she's in bad shape.
16:44 tim_flatus      So was Mozart
16:48 JohnnyComeL8ly  She seems to have been on acid and played too much bass, thereby making a brilliant reaction....
16:49 tim_flatus      I think it was the smack and alcohol that really did her in ...
16:50 MinetestBot     02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: hardcode irrlicht revision, update other dependencies 132f58e4d http://git.io/v4lDY (152015-11-16T17:33:01+01:00)
16:55 tim_flatus      Back to making noise ... of the Perlin kind ...
16:56 luizrpgluiz     hi
16:56 * thePalindrome should work on his mod
16:56 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome: :)
16:57 thePalindrome   Alas, I'm missing a bunch of event handlers that I really want
16:57 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome: what kind of mod?
16:57 thePalindrome   Like onRightClick or onDamageEntity
16:57 thePalindrome   Necromancy
16:57 thePalindrome   Tried this in mc years ago
16:57 thePalindrome   kept losing steam
16:57 thePalindrome   1.8 made me lose hope
16:59 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome: then understand programming in java?   because minetest uses C ++ at its main programming and use LUA for mods
17:00 thePalindrome   I can program in a bunch of languages, if that's what you're asking
17:02 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome: you would be welcome to help with updates and new features and bug fixes for Minetest
17:02 thePalindrome   That's what I was planning on doing
17:04 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome: :D :D
17:06 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome: try to talk with key developers, they can think and see if you can join the team
17:06 thePalindrome   Well, I need to get more "coder cred" first
17:08 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome:coder cred ?
17:08 thePalindrome   Respect for coding ability, patch quality, etc.
17:09 JohnnyComeL8ly  cred=credibility
17:09 thePalindrome   my bad :P
17:09 JohnnyComeL8ly  He's from Brazil, it is understandable.
17:10 luizrpgluiz     hehe
17:10 JohnnyComeL8ly  It is just a language barrier that can more or less be overcome.
17:10 thePalindrome   language barriers tend to cause a lot of issues
17:11 JohnnyComeL8ly  (Though explanation, of course.)
17:11 JohnnyComeL8ly  He's a good sport about it.
17:12 thePalindrome   Good to know that he's foreign though, so that I don't assume he recognizes my slang :P
17:12 JohnnyComeL8ly  :-D
17:14 luizrpgluiz     :)
17:20 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome:is very good minetest have more key members, so the updates may come faster, which operating system you use?
17:25 thePalindrome   Gentoo Linux
17:25 thePalindrome   I also am using the Android version, because yay :D
17:31 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome:I like to use two operating systems, I use Xubuntu 04.14 and Windows 7 Pro 32-bit
17:32 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome: Xubuntu 14.04
17:32 thePalindrome   I find that the *buntu family is too broken to use, but other people seem to have better luck with it
17:33 swift110-phone  Hey guys
17:33 luizrpgluiz     swift110-phone: Hi :)
17:36 est31           thePalindrome, you are one of the guys where saying "install gentoo" worked?
17:37 swift110-phone  How are you luiz
17:37 thePalindrome   ?
17:38 est31           nvm
17:39 thePalindrome   :shrug:
17:42 thePalindrome   Regardless, I'll just have to get things set up
17:49 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome:you will get along in the approval of the key developers of minetest
17:49 luizrpgluiz     thePalindrome: :)
18:18 JohnnyComeL8ly  thePalindrome: I don't think that it is the most updated, but it does have relative stability....
18:18 thePalindrome   Ubuntu?
18:19 JohnnyComeL8ly  No, the family.
18:19 JohnnyComeL8ly  NOT that thing... the improvements. ;-)
18:19 thePalindrome   Ah, I see
18:20 JohnnyComeL8ly  Ubuntu GNOME is good, so is (X,L)ubuntu.
18:34 bark            I want to display random messages in the public chat on my server when a player dies. Can anyone help me understand why this code don't work? [pastebin code: http://pb.rbfh.de/jf3uExhpxXoF ]
18:36 ElectronLibre   Does it crash or does it not run?
18:37 bark            it doesn't run
18:37 ElectronLibre   If it doesn't run it's just because the calls to chat_send_all are in a function that is never called : func.
18:38 ElectronLibre   Put the code in that function in the same scope as the math.random call.
18:38 bark            excellent! removed the func line and it works perfectly
18:39 tim_flatus      yep
18:39 bark            i was so close :)
18:39 bark            thanks for the insight
18:52 bark            when i'm on a constant damage source (like lava) the message keeps repeating. How can I make  it appear only once?
19:00 tim_flatus      Not sure bark, I think that may be an engine thing.
19:00 ElectronLibre   bark: Apart from saving the player's name in a table when they die and remove that name using a function registered as a "on_respawn" callback, I don't have any idea.
19:01 ElectronLibre   Of course you would not send messages about a player whose name is already present in the table.
19:03 bark            thanks a lot for your input!
19:07 thePalindrome   ping
19:09 thePalindrome   This'll be interesting
19:58 thePalindrome   Why is the engine so hard to understand :why:
20:04 est31           whats your question
20:09 sofar           thePalindrome: comes with multiplayer game engine designs
20:09 sofar           and C++ / OO makes a ton of things a bit hard to find
20:10 thePalindrome   Well, I'm trying to see what calls l_place_node, but greping all of src/ returns nothing
20:10 est31           thePalindrome, that's a lua function
20:10 est31           its exported in the same file its defined
20:10 thePalindrome   Ah, that's why
20:10 est31           lua code can then call it using minetest.place_node
20:11 thePalindrome   I see
20:11 thePalindrome   Then there's one code path that leads to the on_place function
20:11 thePalindrome   thanks
20:11 est31           the actual info that its a lua function is done by the API_FCT macro
20:11 est31           @ least I think its called that way
20:12 sofar           the way lua integrates has me stumped before
20:12 thePalindrome   a POINTEDTHING_OBJECT is an SAO, right?
20:14 est31           dunno in what context?
20:14 sofar           probably place_node
20:14 sofar           no?
20:15 thePalindrome   handleCommand_Interact
20:16 est31           yes
20:16 est31           its an SAO
20:16 thePalindrome   Alright, so know I have to backtrack to find a function that can "hear" a right-click
20:17 est31           search for handleCommand_Interact
20:17 est31           it will point you to a table
20:17 est31           there it has a packet name in the comments
20:18 est31           the packet name then points you to the place its used on the client
20:18 thePalindrome   Ah
20:18 thePalindrome   Well, I'm working on the server
20:19 est31           what precisely do you want to do?
20:20 thePalindrome   I'm going to be adding an on_use for items that will trigger before on_place and work when pointing at nothing
20:22 est31           the current way we do on_place is bad
20:22 est31           its mixture of low level and high level
20:22 est31           but sucks at both levels
20:23 thePalindrome   Ah, so shall I try and rewrite on_place first?
20:23 est31           no, it has to be kept
20:23 est31           backward compat
20:23 thePalindrome   I meant keep on_place
20:23 thePalindrome   but fix it
20:24 thePalindrome   then expand it to have on_use
20:27 thePalindrome   So I shouldn't refactor on_place?
20:28 est31           well refactor is the wrong term here
20:28 est31           it has a bad API, and it cant just be changed
20:29 est31           because of backwards compat
20:29 thePalindrome   Oh, I see
20:29 est31           you can add stuff
20:29 thePalindrome   You're saying that the front is badly made, not the implementation
20:29 est31           but you cant remove
20:29 est31           yes
20:29 thePalindrome   Alright, I"ll just work on my stuff then :P
20:37 thePalindrome   Welp, the client sends the interact packet from the handlePointingAtNode function, so I think I'll just need to find somewhere else then :roll:
20:38 thePalindrome   Ah good, processPlayerInteraction will suit my purposes nicely
20:46 thePalindrome   If I define a properly-named function in cpp_api/ will it be exposed?
20:49 est31           no
20:49 est31           you have to use that macro
20:49 thePalindrome   oh, the callback isn't a function?
20:50 est31           in the *.cpp file there is usually a method that invokes the macro for all functions in the file
20:50 est31           the callback is a function
20:50 est31           just it has to be registered, using the macro
20:50 thePalindrome   Er, I'll take another look
20:50 est31           this is c++ world, there is no reflection
20:51 thePalindrome   I know there wasn't built-in reflection, wasn't sure if your build system reflected
20:51 thePalindrome   built-in reflection causes far too many issues
20:51 amadin          Hi all, i have an account in wiki, but some pages don't have switch for my language, so i can't translate they
20:51 amadin          How enable it?
20:52 est31           well, calinou isn't hee
20:52 est31           here*
20:52 est31           so best you ask celeron55
20:52 amadin          (
20:52 amadin          so i can't do it himself?
20:53 est31           dont know
20:53 est31           but I guess celeron55 knows
20:53 amadin          ok i wikk write to him on forum
20:53 amadin          will
21:03 thePalindrome   registerModApiModule() seems to be gone...?
21:03 est31           ?
21:04 thePalindrome   greping for that in src/ returned nothing
21:04 thePalindrome   The wiki is out of date then I guess
21:05 est31           where you seen that
21:05 thePalindrome   http://dev.minetest.net/Script_Engine
21:05 thePalindrome   Trying to figure out how to add a lua callback
21:07 thePalindrome   ScriptApi as a class doesn't exist ;?
21:07 thePalindrome   bleh
21:07 est31           thePalindrome, very simple
21:08 est31           1. find a file with already existing lua API functions
21:08 est31           2. add your function to that file
21:08 thePalindrome   Where though?
21:08 est31           3. register the function
21:08 thePalindrome   Where?
21:08 est31           anywhere
21:08 est31           lemme find a commit that added a lua api function
21:08 thePalindrome   Fine, grep on_place in src/
21:08 thePalindrome   on_place is mentioned once
21:10 est31           umm
21:10 est31           are you wondering about lua code calling c code or c code calling lua code?
21:11 thePalindrome   I want C to call registered Lua callbacks
21:11 thePalindrome   So that a mod can get notified
21:11 est31           well then you dont have to do anything
21:11 est31           do it like this commit https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/aa13baa30a45b0f834c23bd5c0407895eb8ec0ee
21:11 thePalindrome   :facepalm:
21:13 thePalindrome   I need to update the docs as I come across them
21:20 est31           well tbh I dont know what now the replacement of registerModApiModule is
21:20 thePalindrome   there isn't per se
21:20 thePalindrome   the C calls the cpp_api/ function
21:20 thePalindrome   callbacks are handled similarly to javascript
21:21 thePalindrome   You just have to write a register function, like that commit
21:21 thePalindrome   See y'all in an hour
21:53 who_wants_some  hmm, I've tried few popular minecraft servers to compare with minetest... they are strange, I rarely meet people and most of the things far from each other and griefed
21:53 who_wants_some  while on MT there are lots of nice servers with entire towns and people in there... or maybe it was wrong MC servers
21:55 who_wants_some  Sokomine, hi, you have [Mod] villages for Minetest [mg_villages] and [Modpack] villages modpack (contains mg_villages), replace villages with Villages, it looks better that way
21:57 Sokomine        ah. that's a good point. thanks!
21:58 Sokomine        updated
21:59 Sokomine        hm. my test server threw a lot of  "WARNING[Server]: collisionMoveSimple: maximum step interval exceeded, lost movement details!" at me. admittedly, this is a slow connection, and the setup was very basic and not optimized in any way (after all it's just a test server)
22:01 sofar           Sokomine: my server at home throws it all the time too, even with micro-second latencies on 1gig ethernet
22:02 who_wants_some  Sokomine, also, what is minimum MT version I need for it? Can you add that info?
22:02 who_wants_some  I think it is not a network problem
22:02 who_wants_some  it is server problem
22:03 est31           well I guess its very old problem
22:03 est31           before SN's logging patch, it was written to infostream with WARNING at the start
22:03 est31           then SN added warningstream
22:03 est31           now its printed in default settings before it wasnt
22:04 Sokomine        who_wants_some: for mg_villages? hmm. as recent as possible i'd say. i use latest git, usually a day or at max a couple of days old
22:07 Sokomine        hm, it'd be intresting to know where that warning message comes from, and if it affects real servers in the same amount. even writing something constantly to disk can cause some slowdown
22:07 Sokomine        at least the server did feel fast enough :-)
22:07 est31           I had it in singleplayer
22:08 who_wants_some  Sokomine, can you add "How to install instrucions" in README.md ? To mod and modpack
22:10 Sokomine        hm. it's installed like every mod and/or modpack. i don't even know offhand how the official method of installing mods/modpacks works. guess by selecting them in the menu? i adapted a create-a-folder-and-symlink-all-wanted-mods-approach before that menu option was added
22:11 who_wants_some  i have this collision error too
22:11 who_wants_some  right now
22:12 who_wants_some  i've copied it in mods directory, renamed to villages, created world, in its settings double clicked on villages, saved, it works!
22:13 who_wants_some  this modpack is so nice
22:13 who_wants_some  i like the towns a lot
22:13 who_wants_some  very nice work
22:15 Sokomine        thank you :_)
22:16 Sokomine        well, towns...for that, you'd need mauvebics mm2 modpack. then you do get villages of the canadian type. those have extremly huge buildings and may be seen more like a town than a village
22:18 who_wants_some  minetest_game + villages modpack + mobs + moreblocks + 3d armor + hungar = FUN!
22:19 who_wants_some  and areas mod of course
22:20 Sokomine        depends. if you play singleplayer, areas is not needed. and if it's multiplayer, there needs to be place for the players to build, so rather no villages :-) (unless it's focussed on survival)
22:21 Sokomine        the villages are mostly useful to make the singleplayer world more intresting and less empty. mobs are a very good addition. perhaps i ought to include mobs redo or so in a modpack as well
22:21 who_wants_some  yes
22:21 Sokomine        with the modpack, you don't even have to rename anything
22:22 who_wants_some  villages is nice for multiplayer too, people can actually buy a nice house and don't build that cobble crap
22:22 Sokomine        without the modpack, and without cottages, you won't get most of the village types. i do like my mods and created cottages so that i could build the houses i wanted for that purpose :-)
22:22 who_wants_some  I just installed modpack with everything
22:22 Sokomine        hm, that's right. but i still hope that they get motivated to build a nice house by themshelves later on
22:22 Sokomine        ah. then you got all. there ought to be no need to rename the modpack folder
22:23 who_wants_some  Sokomine, btw, i can steal stuff from the chests, shelfs in those houses, why they are not protected?
22:25 who_wants_some  this houses looks so nice, too bad I got crappy rendering in OpenGL with texture tear
22:26 Sokomine        who_wants_some: because those are made for stealing (better give those players *something*...so that they won't kill the inhabitants :))
22:26 who_wants_some  ah
22:26 Sokomine        in theory, the mobs assume of course that nobody would consider stealing from someone else a valid alternative - and thus don't use locks
22:27 Sokomine        in practice, it's ressources for players. adventuretest uses that to some extend in order to keep the player from starving
22:27 who_wants_some  if i add mobs, will they hurt village traders?
22:31 Sokomine        hmm. good question. guess that depends on the mobs. the village traders undertake a lot of effort in order to heal so that a player-owned trader can't just be killed by the next best player
22:32 who_wants_some  Sokomine, your mobf_trader page has no images - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9013
22:36 thePalindrome   I'm back now
22:47 who_wants_some  Sokomine, btw, when generated at night it will update lightning after some time, but not always, I see castle now that how lots of torches but they have weaker light
22:51 Sokomine        lighting updates are sometimes a problem. they may even lead to crashes in some situations :-(
22:52 Sokomine        so another posting that lost its images :-( moresnow has the same problem. i may have to switch all documentation to github
23:10 thePalindrome   ??
23:11 thePalindrome   I've seen that quit message on 9 different people in the last minute
23:11 kahrl           which one?
23:11 thePalindrome   *.net *.split
23:12 kahrl           oh, your client doesn't show netsplits
23:12 kahrl           https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
23:12 thePalindrome   I've never seen it until now
23:13 thePalindrome   Huh, interesting
23:24 thePalindrome   Alright, now to figure out what I was working on an hour ago
23:31 thePalindrome   Boy, code seems to fly everywhere
23:32 thePalindrome   is builtin/ part of minetest or minetest_game?
23:32 thePalindrome   I'm presuming minetest
23:35 who_wants_some  VanessaE, ugh, moretrees shadow bug is present :( caught it on a new world right away
23:36 who_wants_some  on mt-0.4.13 git
23:37 rubenwardy      thePalindrome, minetest engine
23:37 rubenwardy      it's the Lua side of the engine
23:37 thePalindrome   I see4
23:38 thePalindrome   I'm adding an on_rightclick callback for items
23:38 thePalindrome   That way you can intercept rightclicks even in the air
23:38 who_wants_some  VanessaE, btw, below moretrees i can observer darkening of the sky thing, that should not work in this case (i'm not in cave underground)
23:41 who_wants_some  funny to see glacier+tundra and a few palm trees on sand near it :p
23:54 Hijiri          flying on the wire or just plain flying