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01:15 JohnnyComeL8ly How dost this crowd fare?
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02:05 Animetrom Hi folks
02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, Animetrom.
02:06 Animetrom How are you?
02:06 JohnnyComeL8ly Barely alive... no not really.
02:06 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm well.
02:07 JohnnyComeL8ly :D
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02:53 JohnnyComeL8ly Guys, I'm sure some are aware of this, but I want to make sure it is known.
02:53 JohnnyComeL8ly http://pastie.org/10521270
02:55 JohnnyComeL8ly And, like est31 had said to me... it isn't his fault!
02:55 JohnnyComeL8ly That is just the same error I get when compiling (regular) MT.
03:17 Hijiri how expensive is a LuaEntitySAO that just accelerates toward some targe
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03:17 Hijiri would it be fine to have a hundred of them floating around
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07:36 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Silence 'unused typedef' warning for STATIC_ASSERT() 6ba4f37 http://git.io/vliXE (2015-11-03T01:03:33-05:00)
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09:23 reborn Hi guys um.. how would i set up a public minetest server??
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09:30 reborn Hi Megaf how would i set up a public minetest server??
09:42 gregorycu What platform rehttp://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server
09:42 gregorycu http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server
10:04 reborn Thanks
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10:18 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Sandwich Day! ūüėÉ
10:18 est31 nom nom
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14:42 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Only go fast in autorun if fast move is enabled 1550ab3 http://git.io/vlM2B (2015-11-03T15:40:47+01:00)
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15:23 ADFENO Hi, is there a wiki templete that can be used to keep track of translated documentation of the development wiki?
15:24 ADFENO Or, does the development wiki recognizes subpages as translations and tells the visitor of the existance of such pages?
15:25 JohnnyComeL8ly What is the (max) size of the avatars on the MT forum?
15:29 JohnnyComeL8ly Nvm... I found out.
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15:29 ADFENO Wow ! :D
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16:38 JBB I cant login in the minetest forum anymore!
16:38 JBB can someone help meŠļě
16:38 JBB ?
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17:15 JBB I cant login in the minetest forum anymore!
17:16 VanessaE works fine for me
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17:20 * Krock can't login too.. just logout
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17:28 Ingar login works fine here
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17:39 JBB i cant reset my passwort
17:39 JBB and it says my passwort is wrong
17:39 JBB but i think its right
17:40 JBB and if i rest there comes no email
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17:51 CraigyDavi JBB, check your spam folder for the email. it might be in there
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18:08 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Time: Remove serverside getter, and use atomic operations f9b0936 http://git.io/vly5L (2015-11-03T19:07:45+01:00)
18:08 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Atomic: cleanup and add more operations abc354a http://git.io/vly5t (2015-11-03T19:07:39+01:00)
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18:15 Teckla CraigyDavi: Is your server back up and running again?  :)
18:16 CraigyDavi Yes it is!
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18:22 Teckla CraigyDavi: Thanks  \o/
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18:33 Krock !tell est31 http://i.imgur.com/MjNtdju.png
18:33 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when est31 is around
18:34 Krock <3 MinetestBot
18:34 MinetestBot <3 Krock
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18:42 Krock MinetestBot!
18:42 MinetestBot Krock!
18:43 Krock Y U not tell?
18:43 JohnnyComeL8ly lol
18:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Krock, it looks like you are missing libncursesw5-dev
18:44 JohnnyComeL8ly .
18:45 Krock that's a download from some mirror page.. newest binaries from 20151101
18:45 JohnnyComeL8ly And you are on Windos... that doesn't make anything easier.
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18:46 Krock U don't say?
18:46 JohnnyComeL8ly I did say, actually. ;-)
18:46 Krock The only libraries I didn't get running yet are levedb, postgresql and now it seems like ncurses doens't like me too
18:47 JohnnyComeL8ly ncursesw is needed.
18:50 AndDT didn't use windows for a long time
18:50 JohnnyComeL8ly Hey, guys, I just discovered this... it is really cool, imo.
18:50 JohnnyComeL8ly https://boards.openpandora.org/pyramain/main/
18:50 zat http://9gag.com/gag/aDmqyOZ
18:50 JohnnyComeL8ly AndDT: Good for you! :-D
18:51 AndDT Yep. Slackware one love
18:51 JohnnyComeL8ly zat: rofl
18:51 zat kik
18:51 JohnnyComeL8ly kik?
18:53 AndDT http://uk.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kik
18:54 Krock zat, what a lovely cat :)
18:55 zat Common typo for the abbreviated online chat room expression lol which means "laugh out loud".
18:55 Krock kek
18:55 zat my keyboard is Dvorak though, but I am used to say kik on purpose. lol
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19:00 JohnnyComeL8ly Zat was confusing....
19:00 zat can also mean kick in Krock
19:00 zat kik in krotch** sorry
19:00 Krock krotch? scotch?
19:03 zat no no, I meant krotch
19:09 JohnnyComeL8ly *crotch....
19:12 Calinou Fedora 23 is out.
19:12 Calinou also: http://www.adriancourreges.com/blo‚Äčg/2015/11/02/gta-v-graphics-study/
19:15 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou: isn't that non-libre?
19:15 zat kik = kik in krotch
19:16 JohnnyComeL8ly krotch isn't a word is all I was saying.
19:16 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, it isn't
19:16 Calinou but not by much
19:16 JohnnyComeL8ly So, you just linked to it for the info?
19:16 Calinou Fedora or GTA V?
19:16 Calinou the GTA V thing is about the graphics study, not the game itself
19:17 JohnnyComeL8ly Ok, that's cool.
19:17 Calinou I'm in a team that helps redesign Godot 3D, so that article will be pretty interesting
19:17 Calinou http://godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine
19:17 Calinou next year we should get some new 3D engine
19:21 _occl_cul_per_bl Sokomine: you here?
19:21 _occl_cul_per_bl i think cottages and Calinous moreblocks are not compatible
19:22 Calinou in which sense? recipe conflicts?
19:22 _occl_cul_per_bl can't craft table with dat wooden slab
19:22 _occl_cul_per_bl cottage table, yeah, needs wooden plank
19:22 zat I would so buy GTA V were it available for Linux.
19:22 zat For now I'll just pass.
19:23 _occl_cul_per_bl i've tried stick + 8/16 wooden slab, no help
19:23 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou: I was under the impression that FSF doesn't like the MIT license. (Which to me would make it not libre... by definition)
19:25 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm at the point where I don't really know whether OSI or FSF is the way to go....
19:26 JohnnyComeL8ly I really like the Ideals from FSF and that is about all that is different from OSI.
19:30 est31 you can't put software licensed under the GPL onto the apple platform
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19:34 zat omfg
19:35 Ingar est31: afaik not in the app store
19:36 Ingar it runs fine though
19:37 est31 yea I've meant that
19:37 est31 app store
19:37 est31 basically the walled garden they've built
19:38 est31 hrmm walled garden is wrong term, app store is most precise one I can think of
19:38 zat lmao
19:38 Ingar open source vs free software is largely a philosphical thing
19:38 zat I think M$ did something similar
19:38 Obani https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3311 close ?
19:39 est31 yeah, I guess I'll close it
19:43 zat they banned open source, citing many misconceptions about security.
19:45 dzho GPL is copyleft
19:45 dzho MIT is not
19:45 dzho but both MIT and GPL are free software licenses
19:46 dzho you can put MIT licensed stuff in the app store, as far as I understand it.
19:52 Ingar I'm mostly in the copyleft camp
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19:55 * Teckla prefers non-viral licenses  ;)
19:55 dzho copyleft doesn't infect other code
19:56 * dzho sees the wink, reconsiders
20:00 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, the MIT license is libre
20:00 Calinou and GPL-compatible
20:00 Calinou most FSF-approved licenses are also approved by the OSI, and vice versa
20:00 Calinou a notable exception is CC0
20:00 Calinou (because it has an explicit denial of patent grant)
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20:22 dzho Calinou: wait, which way does CC0 go?  FSF endorses it, but OSI doesn't?
20:23 * dzho finds links
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20:31 Hijiri I asked this question a while ago, but maybe the chat's more active now
20:31 Hijiri How expensive are LuaEntitySAOs?
20:31 Hijiri would it be trivial cost to spawn a hundered with simple logic
20:34 Calinou dzho, yes
20:34 Calinou I think CC0 is great, but not "socially accepted" on code
20:34 Calinou only on culture
20:34 Calinou or documentation
20:34 Calinou so better use MIT on code
20:35 * dzho nods
20:37 nrzkt Hijiri, it's a little bit expenseive if you use a big lua on_step
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20:41 _occl_cul_per_bl anyone has problem with trees in shadow in 0.4.13?
20:44 PilzAdam _occl_cul_per_bl, problems?
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20:57 _occl_cul_per_bl PilzAdam: yeah, on one server, when trees grow, they have broken lightning, so i need to /mapfix them
20:57 _occl_cul_per_bl 0.4.13 + mods
20:57 _occl_cul_per_bl not sure if I seen that in SP
20:57 PilzAdam thats probably an engine issue
20:57 PilzAdam I noticed that a few months ago
20:58 _occl_cul_per_bl never seen in SP, but can be reproduced on a Extreme Survival Minetest
20:58 _occl_cul_per_bl got that problem many times already
20:58 _occl_cul_per_bl i remember moretrees shadow bug, but this one looks different
20:59 _occl_cul_per_bl trees were planted at night and growth was at night also
20:59 _occl_cul_per_bl maybe I will test it on krock git version in SP, dunno
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21:02 Hijiri nrzkt: I'm intending it to just be accelerating toward some point
21:02 Hijiri actually is there something already in specifically for particle effects?
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21:05 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, so CCO is basically a "do what ever with my code" license?
21:06 nrzkt CC is not for code
21:06 nrzkt it's a licence for content
21:06 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, yes
21:06 Calinou nrzkt, except CC0.
21:06 Calinou there is no objection on using CC0 on code - it's not a license, it's a waiver
21:07 JohnnyComeL8ly So, you can put Lua scripting under it?
21:07 _occl_cul_per_bl PilzAdam: reproduced again :)
21:07 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, yes
21:07 Calinou (better than WTFPL in my opinion)
21:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Ok.
21:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Yeah, not to mention what WTFPL contains in there.... ;-)
21:10 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, I've been trying to see what ppl use - what do you use?
21:10 JohnnyComeL8ly OS wise....
21:11 Calinou Fedora 22
21:11 Calinou soon upgrading to 23
21:11 JohnnyComeL8ly Why?
21:11 JohnnyComeL8ly Use it, I mean.
21:12 JohnnyComeL8ly Is it more developer friendly? ?:)
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21:17 Calinou yes
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21:17 Calinou the software in packages is quite up-to-date, it's an innovative distribution
21:18 JohnnyComeL8ly As opposed to Debian?
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21:25 Calinou yes
21:25 Calinou exactly :P
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21:39 _occl_cul_per_bl can affect big area
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21:55 sabino Who can helps me with performance?
22:00 OldCoder o/
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22:02 JohnnyComeL8ly sabino, what is your question?
22:03 JohnnyComeL8ly In what way do you need performance?
22:05 PilzAdam JohnnyComeL8ly, I would like some Christmas  performance
22:06 PilzAdam it's always nice to have some performance laying under the tree for the kids
22:06 JohnnyComeL8ly What? :-D
22:07 PilzAdam also it would be nice to have free-range performance, not this inhumane industrial stuff
22:07 PilzAdam it always smells weird
22:08 JohnnyComeL8ly You aren't making sense... if that is your goal, then you've certainly achieved it! ;-)
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22:33 whtemple1959 so I have searched the forums, I have posted to the forum and yet I have found no information on why my server is not reading the conf file. I am suing the proper syntax of --config /creator/.minetest/minstest.conf any advice?
22:33 whtemple1959 sorry I am not suing any one or any thing I am ...using
22:35 rubenwardy is /creator/ a valid root folder?
22:35 rubenwardy If you open a terminal, and type cat /creator/.minetest/minstest.conf  what do you see?
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22:42 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959: ^^
22:48 whtemple1959 rubenwardy: I get the text of my conf file
22:49 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: what does ^^ mean?
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22:52 asl97 whtemple1959: how are you starting the server?
22:53 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959, I was telling you to look at rubenwardy's questions.
22:54 JohnnyComeL8ly Which were Up from where I posted. ;-)
22:54 asl97 more specifically, does the user running the process for the server has access to the file (permission)\
22:56 whtemple1959 asl97: cd /usr/games then ./minetestserver --congfig /home/creator/.minetest/minetest.conf and I assume since 1- the server starts and 2- the conf file is in the home directory then the user has all required permissions
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22:57 PilzAdam whtemple1959, start with verbose output then it tells you which config file it loads
22:58 JohnnyComeL8ly --congfig could be the problem....
23:01 whtemple1959 PilzAdam please forgiv my lack of understanding as I am always learning the terms. what do you mean by start with verbose output?
23:02 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeLa8ly: the config worked perfectly when I used it oin a single player game
23:04 asl97 whtemple1959: first you say /creator/.minetest/minstest.conf then now you say /home/creator/.minetest/minetest.conf :|
23:06 JohnnyComeL8ly Yeah, that isn't gonna work, that's what rubenwardy was pointing out.
23:07 JohnnyComeL8ly If user "creator" is launching the server, then you shouldn't need the --config option.
23:07 whtemple1959 asl97: I do apologize for the confusion
23:09 JohnnyComeL8ly That is, if the build was made with the flag RUN_IN_PLACE=0
23:10 whtemple1959 I am chatting with you and bumping to the putty screen on this pc and testing your suggestions on my son's pc so forgive my typo errors but i am using the proper squence
23:11 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm sorry if my teasing came across as scorn or something like that.
23:12 JohnnyComeL8ly Did you do verbose mode like PilzAdam suggested?
23:13 whtemple1959 JohhnyComeLa8ly:I did see that flag in some file let me see if I can track that down
23:14 JohnnyComeL8ly My point is that you shouldn't have to specify --config if you are the user creator in the terminal.
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23:20 luizrpgluiz I hate it when someone I do not trust want to be admin on my server
23:21 luizrpgluiz :/
23:22 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeLa8ly: could have ssomething to do with starting ths server through putty rather than from the actual servers terminal?
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23:28 Sokomine _occl_cul_per_bl: how can i help you?
23:28 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: where is the RUN_IN_PLACE=0 flag located
23:29 _occl_cul_per_bl Sokomine: I'm Fixer, you already answered me :)
23:29 Sokomine _occl_cul_per_bl: ah. an older version of cottages used the slab created by stairs (3 wooden planks -> 6 slabs). since a few days, it uses the moreblocks-slab (4/16) if moreblocks is installed
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23:30 _occl_cul_per_bl oh ok, ty
23:31 Sokomine ah, good :-)
23:32 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959: that is a build time flag.
23:32 JohnnyComeL8ly Actually, a cmake flag.
23:32 luizrpgluiz whtemple1959: There is a version of minetest NCurses which was implemented by est31
23:33 whtemple1959 well there you go I installed using apt
23:33 JohnnyComeL8ly So, it looks like -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0
23:34 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959, that shouldn't be the problem.
23:35 JohnnyComeL8ly All those should have that flag.
23:36 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: the Universe must not want my son and I to play this game with any bells and whistles attached
23:37 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: I do not understand half of what i should be doing to make this simple project work like every other server out there
23:41 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm sorry, man. I really am, I just don't have enough info about your setup.  Use --verbose to start Minetest.
23:41 JohnnyComeL8ly Then we might get somewhere.
23:42 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959, To answer your question about putty, I don't think that is the problem.
23:43 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: do you mean ./minetestserver --verbose?
23:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Yeah.
23:46 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: and what should I be looking for?
23:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Put it on pastie.org
23:48 JohnnyComeL8ly The output, I mean.
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23:53 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: I just tried ./minetestserver --verbose > /home/creator/minetestserver.txt which I thought would output to a text file but the text file is blank so how do I get the results to post to postie
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