Time  Nick           Message
02:17 bleak_fire_    hey how do the mailboxes work? it looks like things just disappear
02:17 bleak_fire_    the ones that come with homedecor
02:22 VanessaE_      bleak_fire_: items placed there are moved into a hidden inventory
02:22 VanessaE_      that only the owner can see
02:22 VanessaE_      so it's like a one-way delivery slot
02:32 waressearcher2 I wish real ones worked that way
02:32 swift110-phone Yep
03:09 bleak_fire_    how do you get it
03:09 bleak_fire_    the hidden inventory
07:44 Telesight      Hello all, How long does it normally takes for a server to be announced in the server list?
08:02 waressearcher2 Telesight: it happens automatically ? no need to register and ask for any server approval ?
08:04 Telesight      I have this in my debug.txt:    	2015-10-13 02:35:11: ACTION[ServerThread]: Announcing to servers.minetest.net
08:04 Telesight      So it should be announced I guess ...
08:13 Telesight      No, I have not read that I need to register somewhere.
09:16 Telesight      I assume server anouncement is a matter of minutes, or am I wrong ?
09:19 JamesTait      Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Ada Lovelace Day! 😃
09:28 waressearcher2 !g Linda Lovelace
09:28 MinetestBot    waressearcher2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Lovelace
09:28 waressearcher2 Linda Lovelace, the most famous porn star of all time, there have to be her day too
10:54 Telesight      Do I need permission to announce a server on the serverslist?
10:54 VanessaE       no
10:55 Telesight      hmm it is not listed, server_announce = true
10:56 VanessaE       try,  server_annouce = 1
10:57 Telesight      ok
11:01 Telesight      Does it take a while to be listed?
11:01 CWz            sometime yes.
11:02 Telesight      Ok ...
11:02 CWz            But you might want to reconsider having it listed. I too am a server admin as well as an owner of a server. I personally don't like the majority of the traffic that comes from there
11:04 Telesight      No I fully understand ;-)
11:04 CWz            But sadly it's hard to get traffic just from the forum
11:05 Telesight      Interact is off ;-)
11:06 Calinou        we're not at QuakeWorld level yet as for the server list (strong language): https://lut.im/glF7C6WW9e/zctAty6p6NIGnLo6.png
11:06 Calinou        same for the number of empty servers :D
11:06 Calinou        (I draw lines just like my PHP teacher does. Using the GIMP pencil tool)
11:08 Telesight      Do I have to force curl when compiling?
11:09 Calinou        if you forced it once, then you don't need to pass the setting anymore for cmake
11:09 Calinou        CMake remembers previous settings
11:10 Telesight      I did this : sudo cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DBUILD_SERVER=1
11:10 Telesight      Not this: sudo cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DBUILD_SERVER=1 -DENABLE_CURL=1
11:10 VanessaE       unless you're paranoid like me and you $(rm CMakeCache.txt ; make clean) before you build ;)
11:11 Calinou        you should not use sudo to run cmake, ever.
11:11 Calinou        only "make install" requires sudo.
11:12 CWz            perhaps you didn't install libcurl or whatever it's called
11:13 Telesight      I installed this:    libcurl4-gnutls-dev
11:14 Calinou        should be ok
11:14 Calinou        I prefer openssl variant though
11:15 Telesight      I did not: -DENABLE_CURL=1
11:15 Telesight      is that necessary ...
11:26 CWz            Telesight: what kind of server are you planing to start?
11:26 Telesight      It is already running;-)
11:26 Telesight      0.4.13
11:27 Telesight      But now I want to publish it ...
11:31 waressearcher2 Telesight: do you use vps or run it on your home PC ?
11:32 Telesight      A small server in home. No VPS
11:43 CWz            i am pretty sure most server on the list are selfhosted from home
11:45 rubenwardy     There are a lot of small servers that don't last long
11:45 rubenwardy     made my non-serious players
11:46 rubenwardy     VanessaE and OldCoder have the have the most, arguably, stable server.
11:46 rubenwardy     I know that VanessaE doesn't self-host, she hires a dedi server somewhere
11:46 VanessaE       in Canada to be exact.
11:46 OldCoder       Hi
11:46 VanessaE       hi
11:47 * OldCoder     loves his server with fervor
11:47 * OldCoder     would hug it if he could
11:47 OldCoder       John of MT used to say
11:47 OldCoder       Servers are the life's best pleasures
11:47 OldCoder       It is doubtless they are treasures
11:47 OldCoder
11:48 CWz            ^ are you ok?
11:49 * OldCoder     is about to drift to sleep deep sleep he does reap
11:49 OldCoder       In these moments the subconscious comes to the fore
11:49 OldCoder       A different OldCoder knocks on the door
11:49 OldCoder
11:50 OldCoder       This one likes to rhymes all the times
11:50 OldCoder       Zzz
11:50 OldCoder
11:50 CWz            so subconscious OldCoder is like conscious Zeno`.
11:50 CWz            Fun.
11:51 * CWz          misses Zeno`
11:51 VanessaE       heh
11:52 CWz            I think back in the days of early, VanessaE  also used a VPS
11:52 VanessaE       yep, for a while I used Linode
11:52 VanessaE       before that, self-hosted
11:53 CWz            When Host a server i still have selfhost.
11:55 CWz            ^ Wow really broke the grammar on that one
11:56 CWz            self-hosting works good. if you have a decent connection to the Internet and medium-low traffic
11:57 rubenwardy     I used DO, then decided to move to a dedi that was only slightly more expensive, but never did
11:59 CWz            DO?
12:00 rubenwardy     digitalocean
12:00 rubenwardy     http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-34506790
12:00 Telesight      Well, still no server listing ;-(
12:00 rubenwardy     That happened to one of the halls at my university
12:00 rubenwardy     not the one I'm staying at
12:01 VanessaE       shit
12:01 rubenwardy     some idiot was deep fat frying when it caught fire
12:01 VanessaE       everyone oik??
12:01 VanessaE       -i
12:01 rubenwardy     then turned up the extraction fan to try and put it out
12:01 rubenwardy     which caused it to be sucked up into the roof, and spread
12:01 VanessaE       jeez
12:01 rubenwardy     yeah, nobody was hurt
12:02 rubenwardy     but the top floor is gone, and the rest are flooded
12:02 rubenwardy     170 students can't go back there
12:02 VanessaE       do they have some way to house them?
12:03 rubenwardy     Yeah, the other halls are taking them. There are some spare rooms, and room sharing.
12:03 CWz            Almighty lummox strikes again
12:03 VanessaE       good
12:12 CWz            VanessaE: so how is the activity on VE-Building so far?
12:14 VanessaE       meh
12:14 VanessaE       http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldmaps/Building_World/
12:14 VanessaE       ..../index.html
12:15 VanessaE       a little here and there but not really taking off like I hoped.
12:15 CWz            hmmm
12:15 CWz            VanessaE: could use miracle and assistance.
12:16 VanessaE       I meant this link: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldmaps/Building_World/map.html#22/-2194.00000/-2756.00000
12:16 CWz            or VanessaE  you can try to do what did.
12:17 VanessaE       ?
12:23 CWz            *i did
12:23 CWz            which was nothing
12:24 VanessaE       heh
12:25 VanessaE       bbl
12:39 Megaf_         [12:47:09] -*- OldCoder loves his server with fervor
12:39 Megaf_         [12:47:19] -*- OldCoder would hug it if he could
12:39 Megaf_         I would hug my server if I could too
12:49 Telesight      No, unfortunately no server listing ... with cmake curl is detected ...
12:55 H-H-H          can anyone remember the name of the mod that shows the name of the selected item in hotbar like in MC ?
13:20 Telesight      Server_announce is a http request isnt it, so maybe a firewall is blocking it ..
13:35 nyje_          Telesight, I had the same issue when i brought the Elektra's Creative server up...
13:36 nyje_          turns out it was due to 'illegal' characters in the server name etc.
13:36 Telesight      ok
13:36 nyje_          i removed brackets & punctuation and it announced just fine after that...
13:37 Telesight      ah is * illegal?
13:37 Telesight      TThanks i will try now
13:37 nyje_          not sure, have not checked the code, but i went alphanumeric & whitespace only, and all is now well
13:38 nyje_          NP, hope it helps
13:40 Telesight      I will report ;-)
16:03 TheWild        so quiet, so I'll present something I had fun with many years ago: ttp://blockcad.net/
16:31 Xeprione       hello
16:48 Xeprione       hey rubenwardy
16:49 rubenwardy     hi
16:49 Xeprione       you know what a nice feeling is
16:49 Xeprione       ?
16:49 Xeprione       nice, yet frustrating*
16:49 Xeprione       when you code so hard, the IDE becomes unstable :D
16:50 AndDT          And crashes with no changes saved?
16:50 Xeprione       no, it actually didn't :D
16:50 Xeprione       it said that it has become unstable and i should save and exit
16:50 Xeprione       which i did :D
16:51 AndDT          what ide do you use?
16:51 Xeprione       vs2013 :D
16:51 AndDT          oh my
16:52 Xeprione       AndDT, if you're gonna hate on me... don't...
16:52 Xeprione       there's a reason i'm using vs
16:52 rubenwardy     that's why
16:53 rubenwardy     I use Atom
16:53 rubenwardy     <3
16:53 Xeprione       everyone that attends the school i'm going to, gets about 200 microsoft products (software only) for free
16:53 SylvieLorxu    I'm so glad I dropped Atom and went to vim
16:53 rubenwardy     I tried Vim
16:53 rubenwardy     No thanks
16:53 SylvieLorxu    Xeprione: Same here, but Linux is still simply better. Microsoft needs to pay me instead :P
16:53 AndDT          :)
16:53 nm0i           Why they don't give meth for free at schools :(
16:54 SylvieLorxu    rubenwardy: I did modify my config a bit: https://notabug.org/SylvieLorxu/.config#vimrc
16:54 Xeprione       but SylvieLorxu since i use windows for gaming etc (don't want to use wine, and most of my games aren't supporting linux yet)
16:54 SylvieLorxu    I made it slighly more atomy
16:54 Xeprione       i am planning on installing linux alongside windows tho
16:54 SylvieLorxu    Xeprione: I only play Free Software games anyway, those tend to run on Linux :P
16:54 Xeprione       true
16:54 rubenwardy     I dual Windows alongside Xubuntu
16:54 SylvieLorxu    On that note, Unvanquished is pretty cool
16:55 Xeprione       it's just that i use steam for my gaming habits :D
16:55 SylvieLorxu    http://www.unvanquished.net/
16:55 rubenwardy     I would ditch Windows, but 1. testing my programs for porting.  2. playing games
16:55 Xeprione       exactly
16:56 Xeprione       because windows is more known, people don't tend to release as many games on linux as they do on windows...
16:56 AndDT          As for me it's more interesting to compile games (/me uses slackware) than play them :)
16:56 SylvieLorxu    Gentoo here :P
16:56 Xeprione       it's just how game development (for bigger companies) works
16:56 SylvieLorxu    I don't feel I'm missing out by not playing games from big companies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIXkRXYbKaI
16:57 rubenwardy     a lot of games aren't even on desktop :(
16:57 Xeprione       SylvieLorxu: you don't know what a good pc game is until you've played the original half-life :3
16:57 Xeprione       which isn't free (technically), but is worth the 10euros
16:57 SylvieLorxu    I did play that
16:57 Xeprione       well?
16:57 Xeprione       did you like it?
16:57 SylvieLorxu    Companies don't make them like that anymore
16:57 SylvieLorxu    The original Half Life was actually good
16:58 Xeprione       how about 2, 2e1 and 2e2?
16:58 SylvieLorxu    2 was still pretty okay, but lacked the atmosphere 1 had
16:58 SylvieLorxu    The episodes were really too short to take seriously
16:58 AndDT          2 was first half-life I ever saw
16:58 rubenwardy     still though: http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=#sort_by=_ASC&os=linux&page=1
16:58 Xeprione       btw SylvieLorxu you know what i recomend you?
16:59 Xeprione       Black Mesa
16:59 rubenwardy     half-life is on Linux
16:59 Xeprione       http://store.steampowered.com/app/362890/
16:59 SylvieLorxu    Did they ever release that? lol
16:59 AndDT          yup
16:59 Xeprione       it's still in beta...
16:59 SylvieLorxu    Source code or GTFO :P
16:59 Xeprione       yeah, ok
16:59 AndDT          it lacks few last chapters
16:59 Xeprione       not gonna try to change the way you think
17:00 AndDT          I wait for Underhell for linux
17:00 Xeprione       just know, that money will always be a necessity...
17:00 SylvieLorxu    That's completely unrelated
17:00 Calinou        the GoldSrc/Source "SDK" (probably not full sourec code) are available, but under a non-commercial license
17:00 Calinou        this probably does not include game logic
17:00 AndDT          devs say they are porting it to source 2013 which runs on linux
17:00 Calinou        (although if you pay, Valve says you can access their game logic.)
17:00 Calinou        (probably under NDA.)
17:00 SylvieLorxu    RedHat sells Open Source stuff almost exclusively, they make 1.5 billion USD a year
17:00 Xeprione       so don't start thinking, that there are going to be AAA game-of-the-decade with source code available
17:00 SylvieLorxu    Open Source != No money
17:00 Xeprione       sells
17:00 Calinou        Xeprione, Doom 3 is open source. :)
17:00 Calinou        it's an AAA game
17:00 Calinou        Wolf:ET too
17:01 Xeprione       calinou, every rule has an exception or two
17:01 AndDT          iod3 on github
17:01 Calinou        (still played by hundreds of players :P)
17:01 Calinou        AndDT, I prefer RBDOOM-3-BFG
17:01 Calinou        has soft shadows
17:01 AndDT          Calinou: I play doom 1/2 via zandronum
17:01 AndDT          and zdaemon
17:01 SylvieLorxu    Oh, Doom 3 looks interesting
17:01 Calinou        Freedom with Odamex here
17:01 AndDT          Last releases of zdaemon runs nicely via wine
17:01 Calinou        why Wine? O_o
17:01 AndDT          odamex has no players
17:02 AndDT          because zdaemon is win32 port of zdoom 1.23b
17:02 Calinou        zdoom's proprietary :P
17:02 AndDT          um, no
17:02 AndDT          But it uses fmod
17:02 Calinou        it is derived from Doom Source License'd code
17:02 Calinou        not the GPL code
17:03 AndDT          I'm not a pro in that licensing stuff
17:03 Calinou        I am :)
17:04 Xeprione       i'm happy i made this chatroom alive again :D
17:04 Xeprione       btw, does anybody use Gitter?
17:04 Xeprione       http://gitter.im
17:04 Xeprione       !title
17:04 MinetestBot    Xeprione: Gitter — Where developers come to talk.
17:04 Xeprione       my teacher just mentioned it
17:04 Calinou        proprietary :( better use IRC, or one of the libre hipster chat platforms: Rocket.Chat, Mattermost, Zulip...
17:04 Calinou        https://zulip.org/
17:04 Calinou        this was recently liberated after acquisition by Dropbox
17:05 Xeprione       who cares if it's propertary?
17:05 AndDT          irc one love
17:05 Xeprione       it's free
17:05 Calinou        it's free, but it's not free. :)
17:05 Xeprione       so, what's the difference? you can't see the source code, big problem there...
17:05 Calinou        or, like we should say, it's gratis, but it's not libre.
17:05 AndDT          free as a beer
17:05 AndDT          but not as a speech
17:06 Xeprione       then tell me, what's not free (as in free speech) about it?
17:06 Calinou        no source code, no ability to self-host, proprietary JavaScript
17:06 comradmax      i just puched a chicken, and it died, but so did the cow that was next to it
17:06 Calinou        comradmax, in Minetest, death is contagious. :)
17:06 Xeprione       but Calinou do you really need it?
17:06 Calinou        it's a matter of "what if"
17:06 comradmax      Calinou: aparently:)
17:07 Calinou        what if I want to host my own server, because I have no reliable Internet connection? what if it shuts down?
17:07 SylvieLorxu    ^
17:07 SylvieLorxu    Why depend on others if you don't have to?
17:07 Calinou        random startups often fail, and shut down their services without warning
17:07 Xeprione       first let it happen
17:07 Xeprione       then worry about it
17:07 SylvieLorxu    lol...
17:08 SylvieLorxu    "There's a wolf roaming around the streets, shouldn't we move it somewhere safe so nobody gets bitten?" "Nah, don't worry about it until it happens"
17:08 Xeprione       anyway, hey anybody wanna help me recreate some sprites from my old game?
17:08 Xeprione       SylvieLorxu: that's pretty different...
17:09 Xeprione       it's like an oranges to apples comparisson...
17:09 SylvieLorxu    That's basically the same thing. You're choosing to take unnecessary risks
17:09 Calinou        there are competing libre services, why not use them?
17:09 Xeprione       well, you can recover easily from one
17:09 Xeprione       whereas from the other...
17:09 Calinou        also, IRC has been proven to scale well to hundreds (if not thousands) of users in a single channel.
17:09 SylvieLorxu    Or you can just make sure you don't have to recover at all :P
17:09 Xeprione       if it goes down, just switch
17:09 Calinou        are there Slack rooms with 1,500 users that work well? :)
17:10 rubenwardy     Just tried Unvanquished. Interesting, but confusing
17:11 Xeprione       ok Calinou, let's play some "what if"... what if you make something that has been done before (that is open-source), but yours is better (closed-source)... would you like it if nobody even tried it, just because of that one small thing?
17:11 comradmax      plz stop feeling the startup trolls by using their freshman year chat clients.  IRC is all you need
17:12 SylvieLorxu    That's a silly what if
17:12 Calinou        Xeprione, I would not make "closed source" software. :)
17:12 Xeprione       well, what if you did?
17:12 Calinou        the only case where I might is when I'll be hired as part of a company...
17:12 Calinou        but then I wouldn't have the rights on it
17:12 Xeprione       exactly
17:13 Xeprione       but isn't github a company?
17:13 SylvieLorxu    What if you use a proprietary chat system and it goes down. Would you like it?
17:13 SylvieLorxu    Like, this stuff makes no sense
17:13 Xeprione       yes, because then i could bitch about it
17:13 Calinou        you don't assign copyright to GitHub when you publish software to it
17:13 Calinou        in fact, you grant them a very limited license only
17:13 Calinou        (you could host proprietary software on GitHub; it's actually done quite often, even publicly)
17:13 SylvieLorxu    Well, that explains why you prefer proprietary clients, you like being in pain
17:13 SylvieLorxu    To each their own
17:13 Calinou        https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013
17:13 Calinou        https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/blob/master/LICENSE
17:13 Calinou        :)
17:14 SylvieLorxu    rubenwardy: It's not that confusing, it just needs more players :P
17:14 Xeprione       ok, let's stop it then... (thank Calinou, didn't know i needed that before i got it)
17:16 Teckla         Easy to use trumps *everything*, including, but not limited to, gratis and/or libre software.
17:16 Xeprione       exactly
17:17 Xeprione       it all depends on the end-user
17:17 Xeprione       so, let's just agree to treat this "issue" as something similar to the pc-console war
17:17 Xeprione       or the windows-mac-linux war
17:17 Calinou        there are ethics to everything, even about things you don't think about
17:17 Calinou        like... software
17:17 Calinou        the only ethical OS is GNU/Linux; neither OS X nor Windows are secure nor private
17:17 comradmax      Calinou: what os are you running for the daily?
17:17 Teckla         Calinou: Normal people do not care about "software ethics"
17:18 Calinou        comradmax, Fedora
17:18 Teckla         Only a minority of geeks
17:18 Xeprione       "Some like it small. That's fine, understandable. But I like it big"
17:18 Xeprione       http://img.pandawhale.com/123051-Neil-DeGrasse-Tyson-I-like-it-BGKE.gif
17:19 comradmax      oh, snap, that's my boy! http://i.imgur.com/07toDcJ.png
17:19 Xeprione       :D
17:19 comradmax      and the one that started it all: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0drutWPug1qkoo4k.jpg
17:20 comradmax      "Physics, son."
17:23 Calinou        700 posts on Phoronix forums! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
17:28 Xeprione       hey Calinou
17:28 Xeprione       guess what
17:28 Xeprione       ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I just found where I made an error in my code ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
17:29 comradmax      does the code have anything to do with mt?
17:30 Xeprione       yes
17:30 Xeprione       both mt and my project are written in c++
17:30 Xeprione       but that's probably the only thing in common :D
17:31 Calinou        better rewrite them to Java
17:31 * Calinou      runs
17:31 comradmax      java was the best language before javascript took over the world
17:31 * Xeprione     follows Calinou
17:33 Xeprione       HURRY! http://www.pcgamer.com/free-steam-key-encore-giveaway-five-games-up-for-grabs/
17:33 Xeprione       !title
17:33 MinetestBot    Xeprione: Free Steam key encore giveaway: five games up for grabs - PC Gamer
17:35 comradmax      lol, you have to have fb account to get this:)
17:35 Xeprione       comradmax: it isn't rocket science to create one...
17:35 comradmax      it must have been rocket science to not get one
17:36 Xeprione       no, it's just that i need fb to chat with friends :D
17:36 Xeprione       that don't use irc
17:37 comradmax      i understand
17:38 Xeprione       but seriously, who doesn't use facebook?
17:38 Xeprione       even my granny uses it (legit)
17:38 * comradmax    does not have a single social account, except random ones he makes/steals
17:38 nm0i           I'm vegan.
17:39 comradmax      random one for dev testing and what not
17:39 Xeprione       ok, ok, ok...
17:39 Xeprione       but why not?
17:39 Calinou        privacy, security...
17:39 comradmax      im fully commited to the google toilet tho, with all my gmail/drive/stuff
17:39 Calinou        and both Facebook and Twitter are proprietary :)
17:39 Calinou        comradmax, switch to DuckDuckGo, ownCloud ASAP ;)
17:39 Xeprione       i use onedrive :P
17:39 Calinou        you may be interested in https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking
17:40 Xeprione       *grabs popcorn*
17:40 Xeprione       i use windows 8.1
17:40 Xeprione       not 10
17:40 Xeprione       i could use 10, but wont
17:40 comradmax      i have started to use DuckDuck here and there, but havent made the total switch off the google.  i might try that cloud thing, havent actually heard of it:)
17:41 Calinou        http://owncloud.org/
17:41 Calinou        you need a provider for it too (paid or gratis)
17:41 Calinou        http://openmailbox.org/ has 1 GB gratis, along with e-mail
17:41 Xeprione       what if i told you...
17:41 comradmax      nice
17:41 Calinou        of course you can rent a VPS and set it up yourself...
17:41 Xeprione       i have 1TB of storage on onedrive
17:42 comradmax      onedrive, that's the hotmail cloud?
17:42 Calinou        it's owned by Microsoft indeed
17:42 Xeprione       microsoft's cloud service
17:42 Xeprione       yeah
17:43 Xeprione       got it with Office 365
17:43 Xeprione       :P
17:43 comradmax      that's the best advice you gave so far
17:43 Xeprione       btw, did i mention my school is a ms partner?
17:43 Calinou        my uni too
17:43 Calinou        doesn't mean I use their version of Office...
17:43 Xeprione       i do :P
17:43 Xeprione       because my school doesn't use odt formats
17:43 comradmax      i've used office 365, it's a killer deal for startups
17:43 Xeprione       :D
17:44 Calinou        we're taught Office and Adobe, that's great for a public school /
17:44 Calinou        /s
17:44 Calinou        and they do pay for the licenses
17:44 comradmax      i bought someone's uni Office for MAC for $50 :)
17:44 Calinou        (but the students don't, on their laptops :D)
17:45 comradmax      Calinou: your public university paid for you to own your own copies of Adobe?
17:45 comradmax      is it the CC?
17:45 Calinou        no, they paid for their copies of Adobe CS6 (they think CC is too expensive) on their computers.
17:45 Calinou        their computers also still run Windows 7.
17:45 Calinou        thankfully, you can use your own laptop
17:46 Xeprione       all of the computers here use windows 8.1
17:46 comradmax      are they all switching to 10?
17:46 Xeprione       and the slowest computers a have an intel core2 duo with 4gb of ram
17:46 Xeprione       but the fastest have an i7 with 16gb of ram
17:46 comradmax      wow core2
17:46 comradmax      not even duo?
17:47 Calinou        I'm not sure if they'll switch to 10
17:47 Xeprione       I SAID DUO!
17:47 comradmax      ah, you said duo, wtf am i reading:)
17:47 Calinou        those computers don't have a SSD, so they feel slow
17:47 Xeprione       the c2duo-s in the library computers only :D
17:48 comradmax      the advances in CPU speed have caused all software quality to decrease
17:48 Xeprione       yeah :D
17:48 Calinou        I don't think software quality has decreased
17:48 Calinou        btw https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/2623954/9098640/f15e22b4-3b7f-11e5-9496-12b6d811f0ea.jpg
17:49 Xeprione       btw, you know what my game blank runs on one of the i7-16gb computers?
17:49 Xeprione       about 3000fps
17:49 comradmax      win2k and word 98 ran faster and more stable than whatever i use now
17:49 Xeprione       whereas at home, it' about 450
17:49 Calinou        I could get 29000 FPS at glxgears once
17:49 comradmax      win7/8/10, any of the new offices
17:49 comradmax      lol
17:49 Calinou        Office 2013 has never crashed for me, same for Adobe CC 2015
17:49 Xeprione       well, these rigs don't have graphics cards in them
17:49 Calinou        (forced to use it for uni... :()
17:49 Xeprione       except for the built-in ones
17:50 Xeprione       calinou, if it's free and better, don't complain
17:50 Xeprione       even if it isn't free in general, but is to you, still don't complain
17:50 Calinou        I should complain.
17:50 Calinou        it's not right :)
17:50 Xeprione       it's like complaining about a piece of candy that was given to you for free
17:50 Calinou        public funds used to fund proprietary software...
17:51 Xeprione       it's not your money
17:51 Xeprione       you're not paying for it
17:51 Xeprione       take what they give
17:51 Calinou        it's my parents' taxes :P
17:51 comradmax      lol
17:51 Xeprione       it's everybody's taxes
17:51 Calinou        they probably pay $50k+ per year for all software licenses
17:51 Calinou        it's a lot of money
17:51 Xeprione       but it's not your money
17:52 Xeprione       the rich have their own rules
17:52 Calinou        also I would rather learn free software at school, it would mean education would do what it's supposed to do
17:52 Calinou        teach concepts rather than tools, teach "do this however you want" rather than "don't share!!"
17:53 comradmax      Calinou: there are schools like that, but most ppl only dream of getting in.
17:53 Xeprione       they teach you with the "premium" tools, because they want to
17:53 comradmax      mit
17:53 comradmax      etc
17:53 Xeprione       wait, mit uses free software?
17:53 Xeprione       who would've known :D
17:53 Xeprione       but yeah, i dream of getting to mit :P
17:53 comradmax      yea, they have their own license and all:)
17:54 Calinou        MIT is known for publishing proprietary software too, even though the name of the dreaded "MIT license"
17:54 Calinou        (which really is the Expat or X11 license)
17:54 comradmax      mit is where you get copies of GNU
17:54 Xeprione       :D
17:54 Xeprione       mit is where you have to fall out to get successful :D
17:54 Calinou        there is a school in France that teaches mostly free software, but it's too far away
17:54 Calinou        also not very active IIRC
17:56 * Calinou      builds Urho3D every so often.
17:56 Calinou        NinjaSnowWar is fun :)
17:56 Calinou        (it's the demo game that's included with it)
17:56 Calinou        you're a ninja, throw snowballs at other ninjas to kill them
17:56 Calinou        can be played in multiplayer too
17:56 Xeprione       btw, calinou, what if...
17:56 comradmax      sounds like the original south park fps
17:56 Xeprione       what if you would only learn using free software
17:56 Xeprione       and then get hired to a company that doesn't use free software
17:57 Xeprione       how would you know how to use that software?
17:57 Calinou        learning on the spot :P
17:57 comradmax      they will teach your their soft
17:57 comradmax      no one uses the same stack
17:57 Calinou        also, yeah, it's their job. if they use private software, they should use private means of education
17:58 Xeprione       oh ok... i didn't know that, because i haven't had a job...
17:58 Xeprione       :'(
17:59 Xeprione       Calinou: best open-source license for software intended for non-commercial use
17:59 Xeprione       go
18:00 Calinou        none, because all open source licenses allow commercial usage.
18:00 Calinou        that said, you can discourage commercial usage by using GPLv3...
18:00 comradmax      how about http://www.wtfpl.net/
18:00 Calinou        but in any case, you can't (and shouldn't) forbid it
18:00 Xeprione       that's a public license
18:00 Calinou        long essay on why: http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC
18:00 Xeprione       hey, didn't cc not allow it?
18:01 Xeprione       like, in certain forms of the license
18:01 Calinou        they do, but I think it's wrong :) they should have scrapped it
18:02 comradmax      software cant be copyrighted, because thoughts cant be copyrighted
18:02 Xeprione       nope, gonna use that
18:02 Calinou        (they considered scrapping NC with version 4.0 of the licenses, but ultimately didn't because they thought people would keep using version 3.0)
18:02 Calinou        so I urge everyone to not use NC clause.
18:02 Calinou        I've talked to dozens of persons about the issue; not all of them agree, but when they do, it's great :)
18:02 Xeprione       i want my "game" to be fun to play, free, open-source, not somebody else's income and i want it to be something other people can learn from
18:03 comradmax      gpl
18:03 Calinou        then use GPLv3; it'll be good enough in preventing unethical exploitation
18:03 Calinou        since people won't be allowed to sell it without providing full source code
18:03 Calinou        (and likewise, they won't be allowed to sell it and forbid further distribution)
18:03 Xeprione       i don't want it to be selled at all
18:04 Calinou        even communists aren't against selling, you know :)
18:04 comradmax      Xeprione: you will have to sue
18:05 Calinou        you can use DMCA
18:05 Calinou        as an alternative to lawsuits
18:05 comradmax      example: i put on super-proprietary license, and no source.  someone decompiles and starts selling as their own.  it's as clear of a violation as anything.  the only way to prove that is to sue them and win...
18:05 Xeprione       well, at least if i don't allow any kind of selling, even if they do sell it with source code, i can still sue the shit out of them
18:06 comradmax      Xeprione: you still have to sue them tho
18:06 Calinou        if you do forbid selling, I sure won't play your game anyway :)
18:06 Calinou        and it wouldn't be open source anymore
18:06 Calinou        this is open source: http://opensource.org/osd
18:08 comradmax      anything other than GPL is trying to sell lies to ppl who cannot do better themselves
18:08 Calinou        there are valid reasons for picking non-GPL licenses
18:08 Calinou        broader compatibility, less complexity
18:09 Xeprione       Calinou, do you think id software would like me if i would sell doom 3?
18:09 Xeprione       if they forbid it, it isn't open source
18:09 Xeprione       that's what you said, right?
18:09 Calinou        you're not allowed to because of the proprietary assets
18:09 Calinou        (the assets aren't "open source", which is quite bad too)
18:10 Calinou        but... if you make your own standalone game based on Doom 3 source code, you can sell it, provided you follow the terms of the GPL.
18:10 Calinou        (if you don't want to follow the terms of the GPL, buy an exception from id Software)
18:10 Calinou        I think that ultimately, assets should be libre too
18:10 Calinou        but it's a separate concern
18:11 Xeprione       but hey, Calinou... guess what?
18:11 Xeprione       becuase this game is free, i won't get anything if you play it (except from knowing somebody played it) and neither will i lose something if you don't.
18:12 comradmax      the only way to win is not to play
18:12 Xeprione       i've made 4 games and only showed off 1 of them to a bigger audience (Pixel Bird, audience=mt community)
18:12 Xeprione       i make them just for the fun of making them
18:13 Xeprione       i don't care if people play them, i liked making them and that's what matters
18:13 comradmax      making a good game is like making a ferrari
18:13 comradmax      its hard
18:13 Calinou        I think people should not be forced to publish their software, but if they do, they should give them enough rights to not be dependent on the software author...
18:13 Xeprione       never said it was a good game
18:13 Xeprione       the journey was great, though
18:14 Calinou        the GNU people never said everyone should always publish their software, even if 10-line-long :)
18:14 comradmax      i never said it wasnt, i am inspired to work hard on my skills to eventually make those ferraris:)
18:14 Xeprione       exactly :D
18:15 Xeprione       like right now, i'm remaking Pixel Bird in c++ to improve my c++ and OpenGL skills, so i can make a bigger game
18:15 comradmax      nice
18:15 Xeprione       right now, my main concern is c++
18:15 Xeprione       opengl i've used when using java
18:15 Xeprione       btw, comradmax, you wanna see what the 3d artist in my team is capable of doing in one day? :d
18:16 rom1504        10-line-long softwares are great :p
18:16 Xeprione       i bet you'll be impressed
18:16 comradmax      sure:)
18:16 Xeprione       rom1504: even better if they do awesome stuff
18:16 Xeprione       like break the computer it's running on
18:16 Xeprione       comradmax: sec
18:16 Calinou        today I did 5 points on the Android 5 Flappy Bird
18:16 Calinou        my best score
18:16 comradmax      lol, i never seen that game, but is that pretty low?
18:16 rom1504        stop now or you'll get banned for cheating Calinou
18:17 Xeprione       https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/11232719_490877231091836_1435835497589098531_o.jpg
18:17 nm0i           Done with modding weather. http://me0w.net/pit/1444759760 http://me0w.net/pit/1444759735 http://me0w.net/pit/1444759748
18:17 Calinou        comradmax, it's the one that's hidden as easter egg in Android 5
18:17 nm0i           (Has sound, thunderstorm has lightning)
18:17 Calinou        in "About this phone", tap the "Android version" box several times quickly
18:17 Xeprione       no, Calinou, it's a rage-game
18:17 Calinou        you'll see a lollipop appear
18:17 Calinou        hold it for a while, then release
18:17 Calinou        the game will start (with randomly chosen mood and direction)
18:17 Xeprione       i use 4.2.2 (kitkat)
18:17 Calinou        you mean 4.4.2?
18:17 Calinou        4.2 is Jelly Bean
18:18 Xeprione       not sure
18:18 Xeprione       then yes
18:18 Xeprione       yeah, 4.4.2, my bad :D
18:18 Xeprione       first it shows a rotating 2
18:18 comradmax      very cool scene.  but i dont believe it's created in "1 day"
18:19 Xeprione       he did
18:19 comradmax      unless 1 day = 24.9hrs
18:19 comradmax      or most of the model assets already existed before the day started:)
18:19 Xeprione       not sure
18:19 Xeprione       he told me he did it in a day, and i trust him
18:20 Xeprione       :P
18:20 comradmax      sounds like you're a pm, no offense
18:20 Xeprione       a pm?
18:20 comradmax      project manager :)
18:20 Xeprione       kind of
18:20 Calinou        1 day = 24.0000000002 hours
18:20 Xeprione       i'm the manager, and also the lead-coder
18:20 Calinou        calculated using Intel processor
18:20 comradmax      lol
18:21 Xeprione       kind of the only coder, cause the other guy is russian and doesn't do shit regarding the project :D
18:21 comradmax      Calinou: where did you get an original pentium chip??
18:21 Calinou        no idea
18:21 comradmax      im ukrainian, so i can totally relay to that
18:21 Xeprione       an original pentium chip?
18:21 comradmax      we dont do work
18:21 Xeprione       i have a pentium d
18:21 Xeprione       :P
18:22 Xeprione       comradmax: should i kick him out? :D
18:22 comradmax      no, figure out how to motivate him
18:22 comradmax      then your pm transformation will be complete
18:22 Xeprione       i've told him at least 13 times to at least show some enthusiasm, told him just to make a simple thing...
18:22 Xeprione       didn't
18:22 Xeprione       oh ok
18:23 Xeprione       i better start sending him rublas :D
18:23 Xeprione       a rubla a week :D
18:23 comradmax      ok, this is management gold, but i'll give it for free: give him a challenge.  not a callenge for you, something that's a challenge for him.
18:23 Xeprione       ruble*
18:23 Xeprione       ok
18:23 Xeprione       i know what :O
18:23 Xeprione       a lua-cpp interface
18:24 Xeprione       like calinou suggested
18:24 comradmax      and tell him "comradmax called bs on the whole scene in one day story..."
18:24 Xeprione       ok :D
18:24 Xeprione       but doesn't matter, he made it
18:24 Xeprione       and i like it
18:24 Xeprione       but like i was saying, so one could code some of the game logic without compiling it
18:25 Xeprione       https://github.com/RagnarLaud/pixelbird2
18:25 Xeprione       gonna upload the code in a sec
18:26 comradmax      is this your game? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.parktocube.PixelBird&hl=en
18:33 Xeprione       no
18:34 Xeprione       omg, it's a ripoff (i think)
18:34 Xeprione       i made my game in 2013
18:34 Xeprione       :O
18:34 Xeprione       but bye
18:48 * CWz          wonder why some server owners put their names/usernames in their server names. Is it like a vanity plate of sorts?
18:49 rom1504        if you join that server, then you belong to the owner
18:49 est31          ha
18:49 rom1504        (hmm, doesn't it work like that :p ?)
18:51 est31          CWz, for a long time, minetest was called minetest-c55.
20:20 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, y'all!
20:20 shadowzone     hello
20:31 swift110       how are you guys
20:33 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm just dandy.
20:35 JohnnyComeL8ly Man... some people have some interesting names....
20:41 Xeprione       hello
20:41 Xeprione       who here lives in the states?
20:42 JohnnyComeL8ly I live in a stable state... and I have a right frame of mind.
20:42 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm kidding.... ;-)  I live in TX
20:43 Xeprione       nice :D
20:43 Xeprione       well
20:43 Xeprione       our school just got a project...
20:43 Xeprione       an exchange-student program...
20:44 Xeprione       and we are given a chance to study in the states for one year, 100% free
20:44 Xeprione       flight, living, all the works
20:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, whatcha gonna do about it?
20:44 Xeprione       we also get money for other shit
20:44 Xeprione       what am I GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
20:44 Xeprione       pass
20:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Groan... don't spend it on crap....
20:45 Xeprione       but not rly, imma take a chance
20:45 Xeprione       i have to apply, write three essays...
20:45 JohnnyComeL8ly That's the spirit!
20:45 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, that doesn't sound so fun, but it should be worth it.
20:45 Xeprione       if i get to the semi-finals, i get asked questions and shit
20:46 Xeprione       it will be :D
20:46 Xeprione       because a lot of my close friends that visit estonia every year live in the states
20:47 Xeprione       im gonna have to ask the teacher that sent the email about it tomorrow
20:48 Xeprione       because i would have to fill out an ONLINE form...
20:48 Xeprione       but the email contained no links
20:48 JohnnyComeL8ly OH no.
20:48 Xeprione       and it's due 16th
20:48 Xeprione       :O
20:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Those are intimidating to me... (not joking).
20:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Where do you live?
20:48 Xeprione       in Estonia
20:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, sorry.
20:48 Xeprione       find Finland, Sweden, Latvia and Russia
20:49 Xeprione       then you'll find Estonia
20:49 Xeprione       but anyway, imma play some cs
20:49 Xeprione       bye
20:49 JohnnyComeL8ly My dad's Slovenian but was born in US.
20:50 JohnnyComeL8ly He didn't know how to speak English when he came to school... the teacher had thought he was belligerent.
21:40 rubenwardy     An auto test was failing because I forgot to return true to pass it, and so an undefined value was returned
21:40 rubenwardy     thank you gcc for not warning me
21:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, you have to be 2% smarter than the object you're working with.... (My dad gives that proverbial statement frequently.) ;-P
21:46 JohnnyComeL8ly But, if you're using a binary blob... then you don't have the same responsibility... for there's no way to get the source code for it.
21:51 rubenwardy     what I'm working on: https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/1m1YEm6o.png
22:02 Amaz           Atom :D
22:03 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm not remotely familiar with C++.
22:04 JohnnyComeL8ly Power to you, my friend. ;-)
22:14 rubenwardy     It's a project to learn C++ UDP sockets
22:15 rubenwardy     I'm aiming to make a 2D world made up of tiles which players can walk on, top down
22:15 rubenwardy     the follow on from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTocos_0kFo
22:24 comradmax      http://www.pasteall.org/pic/94124
22:26 rubenwardy     awesome
22:26 comradmax      $1
22:26 comradmax      at the dollar store