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02:17 bleak_fire_ hey how do the mailboxes work? it looks like things just disappear
02:17 bleak_fire_ the ones that come with homedecor
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02:22 VanessaE_ bleak_fire_: items placed there are moved into a hidden inventory
02:22 VanessaE_ that only the owner can see
02:22 VanessaE_ so it's like a one-way delivery slot
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02:32 waressearcher2 I wish real ones worked that way
02:32 swift110-phone Yep
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03:09 bleak_fire_ how do you get it
03:09 bleak_fire_ the hidden inventory
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07:44 Telesight Hello all, How long does it normally takes for a server to be announced in the server list?
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08:02 waressearcher2 Telesight: it happens automatically ? no need to register and ask for any server approval ?
08:04 Telesight I have this in my debug.txt:    2015-10-13 02:35:11: ACTION[ServerThread]: Announcing to servers.minetest.net
08:04 Telesight So it should be announced I guess ...
08:13 Telesight No, I have not read that I need to register somewhere.
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09:16 Telesight I assume server anouncement is a matter of minutes, or am I wrong ?
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09:19 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Ada Lovelace Day! 😃
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09:28 waressearcher2 !g Linda Lovelace
09:28 MinetestBot waressearcher2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Lovelace
09:28 waressearcher2 Linda Lovelace, the most famous porn star of all time, there have to be her day too
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10:54 Telesight Do I need permission to announce a server on the serverslist?
10:54 VanessaE no
10:55 Telesight hmm it is not listed, server_announce = true
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10:56 VanessaE try,  server_annouce = 1
10:57 Telesight ok
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11:01 Telesight Does it take a while to be listed?
11:01 CWz sometime yes.
11:02 Telesight Ok ...
11:02 CWz But you might want to reconsider having it listed. I too am a server admin as well as an owner of a server. I personally don't like the majority of the traffic that comes from there
11:04 Telesight No I fully understand ;-)
11:04 CWz But sadly it's hard to get traffic just from the forum
11:05 Telesight Interact is off ;-)
11:06 Calinou we're not at QuakeWorld level yet as for the server list (strong language): https://lut.im/glF7C6WW9e/zctAty6p6NIGnLo6.png
11:06 Calinou same for the number of empty servers :D
11:06 Calinou (I draw lines just like my PHP teacher does. Using the GIMP pencil tool)
11:08 Telesight Do I have to force curl when compiling?
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11:09 Calinou if you forced it once, then you don't need to pass the setting anymore for cmake
11:09 Calinou CMake remembers previous settings
11:10 Telesight I did this : sudo cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DBUILD_SERVER=1
11:10 Telesight Not this: sudo cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DBUILD_SERVER=1 -DENABLE_CURL=1
11:10 VanessaE unless you're paranoid like me and you $(rm CMakeCache.txt ; make clean) before you build ;)
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11:11 Calinou you should not use sudo to run cmake, ever.
11:11 Calinou only "make install" requires sudo.
11:12 CWz perhaps you didn't install libcurl or whatever it's called
11:13 Telesight I installed this:    libcurl4-gnutls-dev
11:14 Calinou should be ok
11:14 Calinou I prefer openssl variant though
11:15 Telesight I did not: -DENABLE_CURL=1
11:15 Telesight is that necessary ...
11:26 CWz Telesight: what kind of server are you planing to start?
11:26 Telesight It is already running;-)
11:26 Telesight 0.4.13
11:27 Telesight But now I want to publish it ...
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11:31 waressearcher2 Telesight: do you use vps or run it on your home PC ?
11:32 Telesight A small server in home. No VPS
11:43 CWz i am pretty sure most server on the list are selfhosted from home
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11:45 rubenwardy There are a lot of small servers that don't last long
11:45 rubenwardy made my non-serious players
11:46 rubenwardy VanessaE and OldCoder have the have the most, arguably, stable server.
11:46 rubenwardy I know that VanessaE doesn't self-host, she hires a dedi server somewhere
11:46 VanessaE in Canada to be exact.
11:46 OldCoder Hi
11:46 VanessaE hi
11:47 * OldCoder loves his server with fervor
11:47 * OldCoder would hug it if he could
11:47 OldCoder John of MT used to say
11:47 OldCoder Servers are the life's best pleasures
11:47 OldCoder It is doubtless they are treasures
11:47 OldCoder
11:48 CWz ^ are you ok?
11:49 * OldCoder is about to drift to sleep deep sleep he does reap
11:49 OldCoder In these moments the subconscious comes to the fore
11:49 OldCoder A different OldCoder knocks on the door
11:49 OldCoder
11:50 OldCoder This one likes to rhymes all the times
11:50 OldCoder Zzz
11:50 OldCoder
11:50 CWz so subconscious OldCoder is like conscious Zeno`.
11:50 CWz Fun.
11:51 * CWz misses Zeno`
11:51 VanessaE heh
11:52 CWz I think back in the days of early, VanessaE  also used a VPS
11:52 VanessaE yep, for a while I used Linode
11:52 VanessaE before that, self-hosted
11:53 CWz When Host a server i still have selfhost.
11:55 CWz ^ Wow really broke the grammar on that one
11:56 CWz self-hosting works good. if you have a decent connection to the Internet and medium-low traffic
11:57 rubenwardy I used DO, then decided to move to a dedi that was only slightly more expensive, but never did
11:59 CWz DO?
12:00 rubenwardy digitalocean
12:00 rubenwardy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/u​k-england-bristol-34506790
12:00 Telesight Well, still no server listing ;-(
12:00 rubenwardy That happened to one of the halls at my university
12:00 rubenwardy not the one I'm staying at
12:01 VanessaE shit
12:01 rubenwardy some idiot was deep fat frying when it caught fire
12:01 VanessaE everyone oik??
12:01 VanessaE -i
12:01 rubenwardy then turned up the extraction fan to try and put it out
12:01 rubenwardy which caused it to be sucked up into the roof, and spread
12:01 VanessaE jeez
12:01 rubenwardy yeah, nobody was hurt
12:02 rubenwardy but the top floor is gone, and the rest are flooded
12:02 rubenwardy 170 students can't go back there
12:02 VanessaE do they have some way to house them?
12:03 rubenwardy Yeah, the other halls are taking them. There are some spare rooms, and room sharing.
12:03 CWz Almighty lummox strikes again
12:03 VanessaE good
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12:12 CWz VanessaE: so how is the activity on VE-Building so far?
12:14 VanessaE meh
12:14 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/h​obbies/minetest/worldmaps/Building_World/
12:14 VanessaE ..../index.html
12:15 VanessaE a little here and there but not really taking off like I hoped.
12:15 CWz hmmm
12:15 CWz VanessaE: could use miracle and assistance.
12:16 VanessaE I meant this link: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/mi​netest/worldmaps/Building_World/map.html#22/-2194.00000/-2756.00000
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12:16 CWz or VanessaE  you can try to do what did.
12:17 VanessaE ?
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12:23 CWz *i did
12:23 CWz which was nothing
12:24 VanessaE heh
12:25 VanessaE bbl
12:39 Megaf_ [12:47:09] -*- OldCoder loves his server with fervor
12:39 Megaf_ [12:47:19] -*- OldCoder would hug it if he could
12:39 Megaf_ I would hug my server if I could too
12:49 Telesight No, unfortunately no server listing ... with cmake curl is detected ...
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12:55 H-H-H can anyone remember the name of the mod that shows the name of the selected item in hotbar like in MC ?
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13:20 Telesight Server_announce is a http request isnt it, so maybe a firewall is blocking it ..
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13:35 nyje_ Telesight, I had the same issue when i brought the Elektra's Creative server up...
13:36 nyje_ turns out it was due to 'illegal' characters in the server name etc.
13:36 Telesight ok
13:36 nyje_ i removed brackets & punctuation and it announced just fine after that...
13:37 Telesight ah is * illegal?
13:37 Telesight TThanks i will try now
13:37 nyje_ not sure, have not checked the code, but i went alphanumeric & whitespace only, and all is now well
13:38 nyje_ NP, hope it helps
13:40 Telesight I will report ;-)
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16:03 TheWild so quiet, so I'll present something I had fun with many years ago: ttp://blockcad.net/
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16:31 Xeprione hello
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16:48 Xeprione hey rubenwardy
16:49 rubenwardy hi
16:49 Xeprione you know what a nice feeling is
16:49 Xeprione ?
16:49 Xeprione nice, yet frustrating*
16:49 Xeprione when you code so hard, the IDE becomes unstable :D
16:50 AndDT And crashes with no changes saved?
16:50 Xeprione no, it actually didn't :D
16:50 Xeprione it said that it has become unstable and i should save and exit
16:50 Xeprione which i did :D
16:51 AndDT what ide do you use?
16:51 Xeprione vs2013 :D
16:51 AndDT oh my
16:52 Xeprione AndDT, if you're gonna hate on me... don't...
16:52 Xeprione there's a reason i'm using vs
16:52 rubenwardy that's why
16:53 rubenwardy I use Atom
16:53 rubenwardy <3
16:53 Xeprione everyone that attends the school i'm going to, gets about 200 microsoft products (software only) for free
16:53 SylvieLorxu I'm so glad I dropped Atom and went to vim
16:53 rubenwardy I tried Vim
16:53 rubenwardy No thanks
16:53 SylvieLorxu Xeprione: Same here, but Linux is still simply better. Microsoft needs to pay me instead :P
16:53 AndDT :)
16:53 nm0i Why they don't give meth for free at schools :(
16:54 SylvieLorxu rubenwardy: I did modify my config a bit: https://notabug.org/SylvieLorxu/.config#vimrc
16:54 Xeprione but SylvieLorxu since i use windows for gaming etc (don't want to use wine, and most of my games aren't supporting linux yet)
16:54 SylvieLorxu I made it slighly more atomy
16:54 Xeprione i am planning on installing linux alongside windows tho
16:54 SylvieLorxu Xeprione: I only play Free Software games anyway, those tend to run on Linux :P
16:54 Xeprione true
16:54 rubenwardy I dual Windows alongside Xubuntu
16:54 SylvieLorxu On that note, Unvanquished is pretty cool
16:55 Xeprione it's just that i use steam for my gaming habits :D
16:55 SylvieLorxu http://www.unvanquished.net/
16:55 rubenwardy I would ditch Windows, but 1. testing my programs for porting.  2. playing games
16:55 Xeprione exactly
16:56 Xeprione because windows is more known, people don't tend to release as many games on linux as they do on windows...
16:56 AndDT As for me it's more interesting to compile games (/me uses slackware) than play them :)
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16:56 SylvieLorxu Gentoo here :P
16:56 Xeprione it's just how game development (for bigger companies) works
16:56 SylvieLorxu I don't feel I'm missing out by not playing games from big companies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIXkRXYbKaI
16:57 rubenwardy a lot of games aren't even on desktop :(
16:57 Xeprione SylvieLorxu: you don't know what a good pc game is until you've played the original half-life :3
16:57 Xeprione which isn't free (technically), but is worth the 10euros
16:57 SylvieLorxu I did play that
16:57 Xeprione well?
16:57 Xeprione did you like it?
16:57 SylvieLorxu Companies don't make them like that anymore
16:57 SylvieLorxu The original Half Life was actually good
16:58 Xeprione how about 2, 2e1 and 2e2?
16:58 SylvieLorxu 2 was still pretty okay, but lacked the atmosphere 1 had
16:58 SylvieLorxu The episodes were really too short to take seriously
16:58 AndDT 2 was first half-life I ever saw
16:58 rubenwardy still though: http://store.steampowered.com/search/?te​rm=#sort_by=_ASC&amp;os=linux&amp;page=1
16:58 Xeprione btw SylvieLorxu you know what i recomend you?
16:59 Xeprione Black Mesa
16:59 rubenwardy half-life is on Linux
16:59 Xeprione http://store.steampowered.com/app/362890/
16:59 SylvieLorxu Did they ever release that? lol
16:59 AndDT yup
16:59 Xeprione it's still in beta...
16:59 SylvieLorxu Source code or GTFO :P
16:59 Xeprione yeah, ok
16:59 AndDT it lacks few last chapters
16:59 Xeprione not gonna try to change the way you think
17:00 AndDT I wait for Underhell for linux
17:00 Xeprione just know, that money will always be a necessity...
17:00 SylvieLorxu That's completely unrelated
17:00 Calinou the GoldSrc/Source "SDK" (probably not full sourec code) are available, but under a non-commercial license
17:00 Calinou this probably does not include game logic
17:00 AndDT devs say they are porting it to source 2013 which runs on linux
17:00 Calinou (although if you pay, Valve says you can access their game logic.)
17:00 Calinou (probably under NDA.)
17:00 SylvieLorxu RedHat sells Open Source stuff almost exclusively, they make 1.5 billion USD a year
17:00 Xeprione so don't start thinking, that there are going to be AAA game-of-the-decade with source code available
17:00 SylvieLorxu Open Source != No money
17:00 Xeprione sells
17:00 Calinou Xeprione, Doom 3 is open source. :)
17:00 Calinou it's an AAA game
17:00 Calinou Wolf:ET too
17:01 Xeprione calinou, every rule has an exception or two
17:01 AndDT iod3 on github
17:01 Calinou (still played by hundreds of players :P)
17:01 Calinou AndDT, I prefer RBDOOM-3-BFG
17:01 Calinou has soft shadows
17:01 AndDT Calinou: I play doom 1/2 via zandronum
17:01 AndDT and zdaemon
17:01 SylvieLorxu Oh, Doom 3 looks interesting
17:01 Calinou Freedom with Odamex here
17:01 AndDT Last releases of zdaemon runs nicely via wine
17:01 Calinou why Wine? O_o
17:01 AndDT odamex has no players
17:02 AndDT because zdaemon is win32 port of zdoom 1.23b
17:02 Calinou zdoom's proprietary :P
17:02 AndDT um, no
17:02 AndDT But it uses fmod
17:02 Calinou it is derived from Doom Source License'd code
17:02 Calinou not the GPL code
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17:03 AndDT I'm not a pro in that licensing stuff
17:03 Calinou I am :)
17:04 Xeprione i'm happy i made this chatroom alive again :D
17:04 Xeprione btw, does anybody use Gitter?
17:04 Xeprione http://gitter.im
17:04 Xeprione !title
17:04 MinetestBot Xeprione: Gitter — Where developers come to talk.
17:04 Xeprione my teacher just mentioned it
17:04 Calinou proprietary :( better use IRC, or one of the libre hipster chat platforms: Rocket.Chat, Mattermost, Zulip...
17:04 Calinou https://zulip.org/
17:04 Calinou this was recently liberated after acquisition by Dropbox
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17:05 Xeprione who cares if it's propertary?
17:05 AndDT irc one love
17:05 Xeprione it's free
17:05 Calinou it's free, but it's not free. :)
17:05 Xeprione so, what's the difference? you can't see the source code, big problem there...
17:05 Calinou or, like we should say, it's gratis, but it's not libre.
17:05 AndDT free as a beer
17:05 AndDT but not as a speech
17:06 Xeprione then tell me, what's not free (as in free speech) about it?
17:06 Calinou no source code, no ability to self-host, proprietary JavaScript
17:06 comradmax i just puched a chicken, and it died, but so did the cow that was next to it
17:06 Calinou comradmax, in Minetest, death is contagious. :)
17:06 Xeprione but Calinou do you really need it?
17:06 Calinou it's a matter of "what if"
17:06 comradmax Calinou: aparently:)
17:07 Calinou what if I want to host my own server, because I have no reliable Internet connection? what if it shuts down?
17:07 SylvieLorxu ^
17:07 SylvieLorxu Why depend on others if you don't have to?
17:07 Calinou random startups often fail, and shut down their services without warning
17:07 Xeprione first let it happen
17:07 Xeprione then worry about it
17:07 SylvieLorxu lol...
17:08 SylvieLorxu "There's a wolf roaming around the streets, shouldn't we move it somewhere safe so nobody gets bitten?" "Nah, don't worry about it until it happens"
17:08 Xeprione anyway, hey anybody wanna help me recreate some sprites from my old game?
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17:08 Xeprione SylvieLorxu: that's pretty different...
17:09 Xeprione it's like an oranges to apples comparisson...
17:09 SylvieLorxu That's basically the same thing. You're choosing to take unnecessary risks
17:09 Calinou there are competing libre services, why not use them?
17:09 Xeprione well, you can recover easily from one
17:09 Xeprione whereas from the other...
17:09 Calinou also, IRC has been proven to scale well to hundreds (if not thousands) of users in a single channel.
17:09 SylvieLorxu Or you can just make sure you don't have to recover at all :P
17:09 Xeprione if it goes down, just switch
17:09 Calinou are there Slack rooms with 1,500 users that work well? :)
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17:10 rubenwardy Just tried Unvanquished. Interesting, but confusing
17:11 Xeprione ok Calinou, let's play some "what if"... what if you make something that has been done before (that is open-source), but yours is better (closed-source)... would you like it if nobody even tried it, just because of that one small thing?
17:11 comradmax plz stop feeling the startup trolls by using their freshman year chat clients.  IRC is all you need
17:12 SylvieLorxu That's a silly what if
17:12 Calinou Xeprione, I would not make "closed source" software. :)
17:12 Xeprione well, what if you did?
17:12 Calinou the only case where I might is when I'll be hired as part of a company...
17:12 Calinou but then I wouldn't have the rights on it
17:12 Xeprione exactly
17:13 Xeprione but isn't github a company?
17:13 SylvieLorxu What if you use a proprietary chat system and it goes down. Would you like it?
17:13 SylvieLorxu Like, this stuff makes no sense
17:13 Xeprione yes, because then i could bitch about it
17:13 Calinou you don't assign copyright to GitHub when you publish software to it
17:13 Calinou in fact, you grant them a very limited license only
17:13 Calinou (you could host proprietary software on GitHub; it's actually done quite often, even publicly)
17:13 SylvieLorxu Well, that explains why you prefer proprietary clients, you like being in pain
17:13 SylvieLorxu To each their own
17:13 Calinou https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013
17:13 Calinou https://github.com/ValveSoftware/s​ource-sdk-2013/blob/master/LICENSE
17:13 Calinou :)
17:14 SylvieLorxu rubenwardy: It's not that confusing, it just needs more players :P
17:14 Xeprione ok, let's stop it then... (thank Calinou, didn't know i needed that before i got it)
17:16 Teckla Easy to use trumps *everything*, including, but not limited to, gratis and/or libre software.
17:16 Xeprione exactly
17:17 Xeprione it all depends on the end-user
17:17 Xeprione so, let's just agree to treat this "issue" as something similar to the pc-console war
17:17 Xeprione or the windows-mac-linux war
17:17 Calinou there are ethics to everything, even about things you don't think about
17:17 Calinou like... software
17:17 Calinou the only ethical OS is GNU/Linux; neither OS X nor Windows are secure nor private
17:17 comradmax Calinou: what os are you running for the daily?
17:17 Teckla Calinou: Normal people do not care about "software ethics"
17:18 Calinou comradmax, Fedora
17:18 Teckla Only a minority of geeks
17:18 Xeprione "Some like it small. That's fine, understandable. But I like it big"
17:18 Xeprione http://img.pandawhale.com/123051-Nei​l-DeGrasse-Tyson-I-like-it-BGKE.gif
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17:19 comradmax oh, snap, that's my boy! http://i.imgur.com/07toDcJ.png
17:19 Xeprione :D
17:19 comradmax and the one that started it all: http://media.tumblr.com/tu​mblr_m0drutWPug1qkoo4k.jpg
17:20 comradmax "Physics, son."
17:23 Calinou 700 posts on Phoronix forums! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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17:28 Xeprione hey Calinou
17:28 Xeprione guess what
17:28 Xeprione ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I just found where I made an error in my code ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
17:29 comradmax does the code have anything to do with mt?
17:30 Xeprione yes
17:30 Xeprione both mt and my project are written in c++
17:30 Xeprione but that's probably the only thing in common :D
17:31 Calinou better rewrite them to Java
17:31 * Calinou runs
17:31 comradmax java was the best language before javascript took over the world
17:31 * Xeprione follows Calinou
17:33 Xeprione HURRY! http://www.pcgamer.com/free-steam-key-e​ncore-giveaway-five-games-up-for-grabs/
17:33 Xeprione !title
17:33 MinetestBot Xeprione: Free Steam key encore giveaway: five games up for grabs - PC Gamer
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17:35 comradmax lol, you have to have fb account to get this:)
17:35 Xeprione comradmax: it isn't rocket science to create one...
17:35 comradmax it must have been rocket science to not get one
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17:36 Xeprione no, it's just that i need fb to chat with friends :D
17:36 Xeprione that don't use irc
17:37 comradmax i understand
17:38 Xeprione but seriously, who doesn't use facebook?
17:38 Xeprione even my granny uses it (legit)
17:38 * comradmax does not have a single social account, except random ones he makes/steals
17:38 nm0i I'm vegan.
17:39 comradmax random one for dev testing and what not
17:39 Xeprione ok, ok, ok...
17:39 Xeprione but why not?
17:39 Calinou privacy, security...
17:39 comradmax im fully commited to the google toilet tho, with all my gmail/drive/stuff
17:39 Calinou and both Facebook and Twitter are proprietary :)
17:39 Calinou comradmax, switch to DuckDuckGo, ownCloud ASAP ;)
17:39 Xeprione i use onedrive :P
17:39 Calinou you may be interested in https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking
17:40 Xeprione *grabs popcorn*
17:40 Xeprione i use windows 8.1
17:40 Xeprione not 10
17:40 Xeprione i could use 10, but wont
17:40 comradmax i have started to use DuckDuck here and there, but havent made the total switch off the google.  i might try that cloud thing, havent actually heard of it:)
17:41 Calinou http://owncloud.org/
17:41 Calinou you need a provider for it too (paid or gratis)
17:41 Calinou http://openmailbox.org/ has 1 GB gratis, along with e-mail
17:41 Xeprione what if i told you...
17:41 comradmax nice
17:41 Calinou of course you can rent a VPS and set it up yourself...
17:41 Xeprione i have 1TB of storage on onedrive
17:42 comradmax onedrive, that's the hotmail cloud?
17:42 Calinou it's owned by Microsoft indeed
17:42 Xeprione microsoft's cloud service
17:42 Xeprione yeah
17:43 Xeprione got it with Office 365
17:43 Xeprione :P
17:43 comradmax that's the best advice you gave so far
17:43 Xeprione btw, did i mention my school is a ms partner?
17:43 Calinou my uni too
17:43 Calinou doesn't mean I use their version of Office...
17:43 Xeprione i do :P
17:43 Xeprione because my school doesn't use odt formats
17:43 comradmax i've used office 365, it's a killer deal for startups
17:43 Xeprione :D
17:44 Calinou we're taught Office and Adobe, that's great for a public school /
17:44 Calinou /s
17:44 Calinou and they do pay for the licenses
17:44 comradmax i bought someone's uni Office for MAC for $50 :)
17:44 Calinou (but the students don't, on their laptops :D)
17:45 comradmax Calinou: your public university paid for you to own your own copies of Adobe?
17:45 comradmax is it the CC?
17:45 Calinou no, they paid for their copies of Adobe CS6 (they think CC is too expensive) on their computers.
17:45 Calinou their computers also still run Windows 7.
17:45 Calinou thankfully, you can use your own laptop
17:46 Xeprione all of the computers here use windows 8.1
17:46 comradmax are they all switching to 10?
17:46 Xeprione and the slowest computers a have an intel core2 duo with 4gb of ram
17:46 Xeprione but the fastest have an i7 with 16gb of ram
17:46 comradmax wow core2
17:46 comradmax not even duo?
17:47 Calinou I'm not sure if they'll switch to 10
17:47 Xeprione I SAID DUO!
17:47 comradmax ah, you said duo, wtf am i reading:)
17:47 Calinou those computers don't have a SSD, so they feel slow
17:47 Xeprione the c2duo-s in the library computers only :D
17:48 comradmax the advances in CPU speed have caused all software quality to decrease
17:48 Xeprione yeah :D
17:48 Calinou I don't think software quality has decreased
17:48 Calinou btw https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/2623954​/9098640/f15e22b4-3b7f-11e5-9496-12b6d811f0ea.jpg
17:49 Xeprione btw, you know what my game blank runs on one of the i7-16gb computers?
17:49 Xeprione about 3000fps
17:49 comradmax win2k and word 98 ran faster and more stable than whatever i use now
17:49 Xeprione whereas at home, it' about 450
17:49 Calinou I could get 29000 FPS at glxgears once
17:49 comradmax win7/8/10, any of the new offices
17:49 comradmax lol
17:49 Calinou Office 2013 has never crashed for me, same for Adobe CC 2015
17:49 Xeprione well, these rigs don't have graphics cards in them
17:49 Calinou (forced to use it for uni... :()
17:49 Xeprione except for the built-in ones
17:50 Xeprione calinou, if it's free and better, don't complain
17:50 Xeprione even if it isn't free in general, but is to you, still don't complain
17:50 Calinou I should complain.
17:50 Calinou it's not right :)
17:50 Xeprione it's like complaining about a piece of candy that was given to you for free
17:50 Calinou public funds used to fund proprietary software...
17:51 Xeprione it's not your money
17:51 Xeprione you're not paying for it
17:51 Xeprione take what they give
17:51 Calinou it's my parents' taxes :P
17:51 comradmax lol
17:51 Xeprione it's everybody's taxes
17:51 Calinou they probably pay $50k+ per year for all software licenses
17:51 Calinou it's a lot of money
17:51 Xeprione but it's not your money
17:52 Xeprione the rich have their own rules
17:52 Calinou also I would rather learn free software at school, it would mean education would do what it's supposed to do
17:52 Calinou teach concepts rather than tools, teach "do this however you want" rather than "don't share!!"
17:53 comradmax Calinou: there are schools like that, but most ppl only dream of getting in.
17:53 Xeprione they teach you with the "premium" tools, because they want to
17:53 comradmax mit
17:53 comradmax etc
17:53 Xeprione wait, mit uses free software?
17:53 Xeprione who would've known :D
17:53 Xeprione but yeah, i dream of getting to mit :P
17:53 comradmax yea, they have their own license and all:)
17:54 Calinou MIT is known for publishing proprietary software too, even though the name of the dreaded "MIT license"
17:54 Calinou (which really is the Expat or X11 license)
17:54 comradmax mit is where you get copies of GNU
17:54 Xeprione :D
17:54 Xeprione mit is where you have to fall out to get successful :D
17:54 Calinou there is a school in France that teaches mostly free software, but it's too far away
17:54 Calinou also not very active IIRC
17:56 * Calinou builds Urho3D every so often.
17:56 Calinou NinjaSnowWar is fun :)
17:56 Calinou (it's the demo game that's included with it)
17:56 Calinou you're a ninja, throw snowballs at other ninjas to kill them
17:56 Calinou can be played in multiplayer too
17:56 Xeprione btw, calinou, what if...
17:56 comradmax sounds like the original south park fps
17:56 Xeprione what if you would only learn using free software
17:56 Xeprione and then get hired to a company that doesn't use free software
17:57 Xeprione how would you know how to use that software?
17:57 Calinou learning on the spot :P
17:57 comradmax they will teach your their soft
17:57 comradmax no one uses the same stack
17:57 Calinou also, yeah, it's their job. if they use private software, they should use private means of education
17:58 Xeprione oh ok... i didn't know that, because i haven't had a job...
17:58 Xeprione :'(
17:59 Xeprione Calinou: best open-source license for software intended for non-commercial use
17:59 Xeprione go
18:00 Calinou none, because all open source licenses allow commercial usage.
18:00 Calinou that said, you can discourage commercial usage by using GPLv3...
18:00 comradmax how about http://www.wtfpl.net/
18:00 Calinou but in any case, you can't (and shouldn't) forbid it
18:00 Xeprione that's a public license
18:00 Calinou long essay on why: http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC
18:00 Xeprione hey, didn't cc not allow it?
18:01 Xeprione like, in certain forms of the license
18:01 Calinou they do, but I think it's wrong :) they should have scrapped it
18:02 comradmax software cant be copyrighted, because thoughts cant be copyrighted
18:02 Xeprione nope, gonna use that
18:02 Calinou (they considered scrapping NC with version 4.0 of the licenses, but ultimately didn't because they thought people would keep using version 3.0)
18:02 Calinou so I urge everyone to not use NC clause.
18:02 Calinou I've talked to dozens of persons about the issue; not all of them agree, but when they do, it's great :)
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18:02 Xeprione i want my "game" to be fun to play, free, open-source, not somebody else's income and i want it to be something other people can learn from
18:03 comradmax gpl
18:03 Calinou then use GPLv3; it'll be good enough in preventing unethical exploitation
18:03 Calinou since people won't be allowed to sell it without providing full source code
18:03 Calinou (and likewise, they won't be allowed to sell it and forbid further distribution)
18:03 Xeprione i don't want it to be selled at all
18:04 Calinou even communists aren't against selling, you know :)
18:04 comradmax Xeprione: you will have to sue
18:05 Calinou you can use DMCA
18:05 Calinou as an alternative to lawsuits
18:05 comradmax example: i put on super-proprietary license, and no source.  someone decompiles and starts selling as their own.  it's as clear of a violation as anything.  the only way to prove that is to sue them and win...
18:05 Xeprione well, at least if i don't allow any kind of selling, even if they do sell it with source code, i can still sue the shit out of them
18:06 comradmax Xeprione: you still have to sue them tho
18:06 Calinou if you do forbid selling, I sure won't play your game anyway :)
18:06 Calinou and it wouldn't be open source anymore
18:06 Calinou this is open source: http://opensource.org/osd
18:08 comradmax anything other than GPL is trying to sell lies to ppl who cannot do better themselves
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18:08 Calinou there are valid reasons for picking non-GPL licenses
18:08 Calinou broader compatibility, less complexity
18:09 Xeprione Calinou, do you think id software would like me if i would sell doom 3?
18:09 Xeprione if they forbid it, it isn't open source
18:09 Xeprione that's what you said, right?
18:09 Calinou you're not allowed to because of the proprietary assets
18:09 Calinou (the assets aren't "open source", which is quite bad too)
18:10 Calinou but... if you make your own standalone game based on Doom 3 source code, you can sell it, provided you follow the terms of the GPL.
18:10 Calinou (if you don't want to follow the terms of the GPL, buy an exception from id Software)
18:10 Calinou I think that ultimately, assets should be libre too
18:10 Calinou but it's a separate concern
18:11 Xeprione but hey, Calinou... guess what?
18:11 Xeprione becuase this game is free, i won't get anything if you play it (except from knowing somebody played it) and neither will i lose something if you don't.
18:12 comradmax the only way to win is not to play
18:12 Xeprione i've made 4 games and only showed off 1 of them to a bigger audience (Pixel Bird, audience=mt community)
18:12 Xeprione i make them just for the fun of making them
18:13 Xeprione i don't care if people play them, i liked making them and that's what matters
18:13 comradmax making a good game is like making a ferrari
18:13 comradmax its hard
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18:13 Calinou I think people should not be forced to publish their software, but if they do, they should give them enough rights to not be dependent on the software author...
18:13 Xeprione never said it was a good game
18:13 Xeprione the journey was great, though
18:14 Calinou the GNU people never said everyone should always publish their software, even if 10-line-long :)
18:14 comradmax i never said it wasnt, i am inspired to work hard on my skills to eventually make those ferraris:)
18:14 Xeprione exactly :D
18:15 Xeprione like right now, i'm remaking Pixel Bird in c++ to improve my c++ and OpenGL skills, so i can make a bigger game
18:15 comradmax nice
18:15 Xeprione right now, my main concern is c++
18:15 Xeprione opengl i've used when using java
18:15 Xeprione btw, comradmax, you wanna see what the 3d artist in my team is capable of doing in one day? :d
18:16 rom1504 10-line-long softwares are great :p
18:16 Xeprione i bet you'll be impressed
18:16 comradmax sure:)
18:16 Xeprione rom1504: even better if they do awesome stuff
18:16 Xeprione like break the computer it's running on
18:16 Xeprione comradmax: sec
18:16 Calinou today I did 5 points on the Android 5 Flappy Bird
18:16 Calinou my best score
18:16 comradmax lol, i never seen that game, but is that pretty low?
18:16 rom1504 stop now or you'll get banned for cheating Calinou
18:17 Xeprione https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho​tos-xtp1/t31.0-8/11232719_49087723​1091836_1435835497589098531_o.jpg
18:17 nm0i Done with modding weather. http://me0w.net/pit/1444759760 http://me0w.net/pit/1444759735 http://me0w.net/pit/1444759748
18:17 Calinou comradmax, it's the one that's hidden as easter egg in Android 5
18:17 nm0i (Has sound, thunderstorm has lightning)
18:17 Calinou in "About this phone", tap the "Android version" box several times quickly
18:17 Xeprione no, Calinou, it's a rage-game
18:17 Calinou you'll see a lollipop appear
18:17 Calinou hold it for a while, then release
18:17 Calinou the game will start (with randomly chosen mood and direction)
18:17 Xeprione i use 4.2.2 (kitkat)
18:17 Calinou you mean 4.4.2?
18:17 Calinou 4.2 is Jelly Bean
18:18 Xeprione not sure
18:18 Xeprione then yes
18:18 Xeprione yeah, 4.4.2, my bad :D
18:18 Xeprione first it shows a rotating 2
18:18 comradmax very cool scene.  but i dont believe it's created in "1 day"
18:19 Xeprione he did
18:19 comradmax unless 1 day = 24.9hrs
18:19 comradmax or most of the model assets already existed before the day started:)
18:19 Xeprione not sure
18:19 Xeprione he told me he did it in a day, and i trust him
18:20 Xeprione :P
18:20 comradmax sounds like you're a pm, no offense
18:20 Xeprione a pm?
18:20 comradmax project manager :)
18:20 Xeprione kind of
18:20 Calinou 1 day = 24.0000000002 hours
18:20 Xeprione i'm the manager, and also the lead-coder
18:20 Calinou calculated using Intel processor
18:20 comradmax lol
18:21 Xeprione kind of the only coder, cause the other guy is russian and doesn't do shit regarding the project :D
18:21 comradmax Calinou: where did you get an original pentium chip??
18:21 Calinou no idea
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18:21 comradmax im ukrainian, so i can totally relay to that
18:21 Xeprione an original pentium chip?
18:21 comradmax we dont do work
18:21 Xeprione i have a pentium d
18:21 Xeprione :P
18:22 Xeprione comradmax: should i kick him out? :D
18:22 comradmax no, figure out how to motivate him
18:22 comradmax then your pm transformation will be complete
18:22 Xeprione i've told him at least 13 times to at least show some enthusiasm, told him just to make a simple thing...
18:22 Xeprione didn't
18:22 Xeprione oh ok
18:23 Xeprione i better start sending him rublas :D
18:23 Xeprione a rubla a week :D
18:23 comradmax ok, this is management gold, but i'll give it for free: give him a challenge.  not a callenge for you, something that's a challenge for him.
18:23 Xeprione ruble*
18:23 Xeprione ok
18:23 Xeprione i know what :O
18:23 Xeprione a lua-cpp interface
18:24 Xeprione like calinou suggested
18:24 comradmax and tell him "comradmax called bs on the whole scene in one day story..."
18:24 Xeprione ok :D
18:24 Xeprione but doesn't matter, he made it
18:24 Xeprione and i like it
18:24 Xeprione but like i was saying, so one could code some of the game logic without compiling it
18:25 Xeprione https://github.com/RagnarLaud/pixelbird2
18:25 Xeprione gonna upload the code in a sec
18:26 comradmax is this your game? https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai​ls?id=com.parktocube.PixelBird&amp;hl=en
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18:33 Xeprione no
18:34 Xeprione omg, it's a ripoff (i think)
18:34 Xeprione i made my game in 2013
18:34 Xeprione :O
18:34 Xeprione but bye
18:48 * CWz wonder why some server owners put their names/usernames in their server names. Is it like a vanity plate of sorts?
18:49 rom1504 if you join that server, then you belong to the owner
18:49 est31 ha
18:49 rom1504 (hmm, doesn't it work like that :p ?)
18:51 est31 CWz, for a long time, minetest was called minetest-c55.
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20:20 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, y'all!
20:20 shadowzone hello
20:31 swift110 how are you guys
20:33 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm just dandy.
20:35 JohnnyComeL8ly Man... some people have some interesting names....
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20:41 Xeprione hello
20:41 Xeprione who here lives in the states?
20:42 JohnnyComeL8ly I live in a stable state... and I have a right frame of mind.
20:42 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm kidding.... ;-)  I live in TX
20:43 Xeprione nice :D
20:43 Xeprione well
20:43 Xeprione our school just got a project...
20:43 Xeprione an exchange-student program...
20:44 Xeprione and we are given a chance to study in the states for one year, 100% free
20:44 Xeprione flight, living, all the works
20:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, whatcha gonna do about it?
20:44 Xeprione we also get money for other shit
20:44 Xeprione what am I GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
20:44 Xeprione pass
20:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Groan... don't spend it on crap....
20:45 Xeprione but not rly, imma take a chance
20:45 Xeprione i have to apply, write three essays...
20:45 JohnnyComeL8ly That's the spirit!
20:45 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, that doesn't sound so fun, but it should be worth it.
20:45 Xeprione if i get to the semi-finals, i get asked questions and shit
20:46 Xeprione it will be :D
20:46 Xeprione because a lot of my close friends that visit estonia every year live in the states
20:47 Xeprione im gonna have to ask the teacher that sent the email about it tomorrow
20:48 Xeprione because i would have to fill out an ONLINE form...
20:48 Xeprione but the email contained no links
20:48 JohnnyComeL8ly OH no.
20:48 Xeprione and it's due 16th
20:48 Xeprione :O
20:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Those are intimidating to me... (not joking).
20:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Where do you live?
20:48 Xeprione in Estonia
20:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, sorry.
20:48 Xeprione find Finland, Sweden, Latvia and Russia
20:49 Xeprione then you'll find Estonia
20:49 Xeprione but anyway, imma play some cs
20:49 Xeprione bye
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20:49 JohnnyComeL8ly My dad's Slovenian but was born in US.
20:50 JohnnyComeL8ly He didn't know how to speak English when he came to school... the teacher had thought he was belligerent.
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21:40 rubenwardy An auto test was failing because I forgot to return true to pass it, and so an undefined value was returned
21:40 rubenwardy thank you gcc for not warning me
21:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, you have to be 2% smarter than the object you're working with.... (My dad gives that proverbial statement frequently.) ;-P
21:46 JohnnyComeL8ly But, if you're using a binary blob... then you don't have the same responsibility... for there's no way to get the source code for it.
21:51 rubenwardy what I'm working on: https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/1m1YEm6o.png
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22:02 Amaz Atom :D
22:03 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm not remotely familiar with C++.
22:04 JohnnyComeL8ly Power to you, my friend. ;-)
22:14 rubenwardy It's a project to learn C++ UDP sockets
22:15 rubenwardy I'm aiming to make a 2D world made up of tiles which players can walk on, top down
22:15 rubenwardy the follow on from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTocos_0kFo
22:24 comradmax http://www.pasteall.org/pic/94124
22:26 rubenwardy awesome
22:26 comradmax $1
22:26 comradmax at the dollar store
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