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00:20 waressearcher2 github down ?
00:24 VanessaE works for me
00:25 waressearcher2 https://status.github.com they had a small outage
00:25 VanessaE an hour ago, yeah
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04:50 Niften Hi
04:52 Niften @MinetestBot
04:52 Niften MinetestBot
04:54 Niften Has anybody seen Menche recently?
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10:55 wilkgr LazyJ
10:56 wilkgr linuxgaming.us responds with "Connection timed out".
10:56 LazyJ Yup.
10:56 LazyJ The server is moving.
10:56 wilkgr Oh...
10:56 wilkgr When will it be online again?
10:56 LazyJ https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=194171#p194171
10:57 LazyJ Later today, if all goes well.
10:57 wilkgr Thanks :D
10:57 LazyJ yw ;)
10:57 wilkgr It's evening here, so it would be tomorrow morning
11:00 wilkgr Ah well, I'm going to be on MegaF's server then...
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11:59 Megaf_ LazyJ: Moving? Where to? :)
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13:22 kaeza greetings
13:31 Krock meow
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13:38 Calinou http://getgrav.org/
13:38 Calinou whoa
13:42 SylvieLorxu Hmm, looks interesting
13:43 SylvieLorxu WordPress is cool, but developing themes for it is pretty horrible
13:43 Calinou PHP, a language designed by capitalists. there's $ everywhere :)
13:44 Krock ^
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14:04 Taoki Has anyone still seen RealBadAngel around this channel lately?
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14:06 diemartin ~seen RealBadAngel
14:06 ShadowBot diemartin: I saw RealBadAngel in #minetest 6 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 32 seconds ago saying "OldCoder, hi btw"
14:06 diemartin Taoki, ^
14:06 Taoki Aha
14:07 Taoki And thanks
14:07 diemartin yw
14:09 nrzkt Calinou: like perl then
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14:28 Sokomine anyone intrested in trees and their growing in mt?
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14:31 swift110-phone How do u grow trees in mt
14:33 Sokomine there are a lot of diffrent ways. i intend to offer a common interface for that...a trees_lib
14:33 Sokomine that's what i'm currently working on. they grow (admittedly nothing special)
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14:35 Sokomine a common function to register the nodes a tree usually consists of, and growing through a function, schematic or l-system
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14:43 kahrl Sokomine: hmm, what will be the difference to biome_lib?
14:45 Sokomine biome_lib to my knowledge is for finding out where a tree or plant wants to grow or spawn. trees_lib aims at having a common interface for trees - no matter which growing method they use. i particulary want to be able to react to trees growing and to grow them inside lua voxelmanip
14:45 nrzkt kahrl: moretrees uses the three ways
14:47 Sokomine the other purpose is to have a more easy way to add trees - and also have one central place where i.e. features of the leaves can be changed for all trees present to a game
14:48 Sokomine for mg_villages, i had to copy an old version of the default trees in order to be able to grow them inside the voxelmanip area. the default trees are not very forthcomming with interfaces
14:49 Sokomine reacting to a tree growing in moretrees also didn't work well enough - plus it was limited to moretrees
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15:09 swift110-phone Hmm
15:09 swift110-phone Is there a mod to make trees grow or a seeds package of some sort?
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15:19 Calinou saplings.
15:21 Sokomine normal trees grow from saplings. if you want to define your own trees, my new trees_lib might be of intrest to you
15:21 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Clear list rings when loading a new formspec 41d896d http://git.io/vCGKi (2015-10-10T17:10:52+02:00)
15:21 Sokomine i don't think i ever understood list rings....
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15:31 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default/mapgen: Remove dunes biome. Sand for glacier seabed 41c1e99 http://git.io/vCGPf (2015-10-10T16:28:49+01:00)
15:31 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: New header image 'Minetest Game' 70e8924 http://git.io/vCGPU (2015-10-10T16:28:40+01:00)
15:34 Calinou http://opengameart.org/cont​ent/transparent-shape-pack
15:34 Calinou lol
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16:06 Krock \o/ Create your Minetest forum topic now and get a 1337X topic number!
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17:31 Calinou https://namesmith.io/ideas/s​ummary?keywords=open+source
17:31 Calinou lol
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17:39 AndroidKris I need to blow something up.
17:39 AndroidKris badly
17:40 Krock use /giveme tnt:tnt
17:40 xfceKris not quite like that, I'm thinking in the form of an fps.
17:40 Calinou /giveme tnt:tnt -1
17:40 Calinou for 65535 TNT :p
17:40 Calinou xfceKris, firearms mod?
17:40 Krock Install a nuke mod and use the mese nuke instead of trying that way ^
17:41 xfceKris Also, if I place and detonate more than ten tnt, it crashes...My pc can't handle it.
17:41 * xfceKris wonders if there are any good fps games in linux...like halo or mw2
17:41 Sokomine the extreme survival server almost feels like a shooter. at least when the stone mobs show up at night
17:41 Krock the tree trim mod is even worse than the TNT mod..
17:42 Sokomine tree trim?
17:42 Krock Sokomine, the mod that cuts the trunks and leaves of a tree when the underst is mined
17:43 xfceKris like papyrus does.
17:43 Krock It does that with minetest.remove_node().. which is PITA for my graphics card
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17:46 Calinou "Pay no attention to Soni" good deal
17:46 xfceKris The tree trim mod or papyrus?>
17:46 Krock xfceKris, <Krock>the tree trim mod
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17:47 Krock maybe it also cuts papyrus.. don't know
17:47 xfceKris I wonder how papyrus handles it...
17:47 * xfceKris opens minetest default_games mod folder to hunt for it.
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17:51 xfceKris papyrus uses code: after_dig_node = function(pos, node, metadata, digger)  default.dig_up(pos, node, digger)
17:51 Soni Calinou, please don't ping me
17:51 * xfceKris downloads the tree trim mod to see if improvements can be made.
17:52 xfceKris Yeah Calinou, don't ping him, he's busy with stuff...and things.
17:52 Sokomine krock: ah, ok. wouldn't consider "trim" to be an appropriate name for that. sounds more like trimming a hedge...cutting off surplus leaves .-)
17:52 Soni she*
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17:53 xfceKris correction....she
17:53 xfceKris my apologies
17:53 Calinou use "they"
17:53 xfceKris eh, gender rolls are lame. everyone is equal in my book.
17:54 Calinou gender trolls :)
17:54 xfceKris Plus the english language sucks. Most other languages have a "gender neutral" term for situations where you don't know the gender...english does not.
17:55 xfceKris Yeah, "they" is neutral, but it's also plural...not singular
17:55 Soni meh... Calinou this is why you shouldn't ping random people
17:55 Soni xfceKris, "you" is also plural
17:55 Soni (inb4 you try to argue it isn't)
17:56 Krock Sokomine, but it cuts the leaves :P
17:56 xfceKris Ah, but you is referring directly to whom you are speaking...not useful for a third party.
17:56 xfceKris you think Grammar is a MF game?
17:56 xfceKris lmao
17:56 xfceKris anyway.
17:56 Soni xfceKris, singular "you" is no different from singular "they"
17:57 xfceKris Krock. it doesn't need to cut the leaves, those break once the top node of the trunk is removed.
17:57 Soni singular "you" comes from plural "you", singular "they" comes from plural "they"
17:57 Krock xfceKris, you know, cutting them and calculating the dropped items it way easier to use ^^
17:57 xfceKris I think that's why the mod has to use minetest.remove_node
17:57 Krock *is
17:58 Krock no, you just could use vmanip
17:58 Soni also singular "they" is old .-.
17:58 Krock they is plural, isn't it?
17:58 Soni exists since the 1800s
17:58 xfceKris instead of after_dig_node
17:58 Soni Krock, so is 'you'
17:59 Krock So if someone calls me "you" then I'm multiple times there?
17:59 xfceKris Not in that scenario
17:59 Krock ik, jk
18:00 Soni so if someone calls me "they" then I'm multiple times there?
18:00 Krock Yup.
18:00 xfceKris That's why us southerners say ya'll. It separates singular and plural forms of "you"
18:00 Soni we say things like "who left their phone here?" all the time y'know
18:00 Soni not "who left his phone here?"
18:00 xfceKris also, nobody that actually understands grammar would refer to a single person as "they"...it's a plural term
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18:01 Calinou "Qui a laissé son téléphone ici ?" in French
18:01 Calinou it is gender-neutral
18:01 Calinou because "son" is for the phone, not for the person
18:01 Krock oh I see. Already wondered how to say that neutral
18:01 swift110 hmm
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18:01 xfceKris Ah, but now we differenciate between they're, there, and their.
18:01 Krock Your correct.
18:01 xfceKris differentiate*
18:01 Soni xfceKris, tom scott
18:02 Soni .help
18:02 Soni .commands
18:02 Soni meh
18:02 Krock !help
18:02 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
18:02 xfceKris Soni, who is tom scot?
18:02 xfceKris scott*
18:02 xfceKris fingers aren't listening to me today.
18:02 Soni !g tom scott gender neutral pronouns youtube
18:02 MinetestBot Soni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ehrFk-gLk
18:03 xfceKris word...
18:03 * xfceKris watches
18:03 Calinou excel...
18:03 Soni !g tom scott wikipedia
18:03 MinetestBot Soni: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Scott_(musician)
18:03 Krock "Oh hi fingers! Can you all hear me?"
18:03 Soni uhh wrong tom scott
18:03 xfceKris lmao Krock
18:03 Soni meh too lazy to figure out how to get the right one
18:03 Krock Soni, refer to lmgtfy.com or lmddgtfy
18:04 Soni !g Tom Scott entertainer wikipedia
18:04 MinetestBot Soni: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/Tom_Scott_(entertainer)
18:04 Soni that's the right tom scott
18:04 Krock But Scott Joplin wrote the entertainer, not tom.
18:04 xfceKris Krock, what is lmddgtfy? I know lmgtfy.
18:05 Calinou Let Me DuckDuckGo That For You
18:05 Krock xfceKris, let me DuckDuckGo that for you.
18:05 Calinou the ethical replacement of lmgtfy :)
18:05 Krock grr. always those ninjas
18:05 Calinou Ninja Training!
18:05 xfceKris Ethical?
18:05 Krock privacy etc
18:05 Calinou https://github.com/KOBUGE-Games/ninja-training
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18:06 Krock I think a typeracer link would be more helpful for the ninjas here
18:06 Soni tom scott is so cute and so hot and so amazing and yeah I have a crush on him .-.
18:06 Calinou http://10fastfingers.com/typing-test/english
18:06 Soni he's just so perfect
18:06 Calinou what's your score?
18:07 Krock I'd need a flat keboard to get the ultimative speed
18:07 Krock also, complete sentences would bemuch easier to write :(
18:08 Calinou Words per minute (WPM)106
18:08 Calinou Keystrokes542
18:08 Calinou (531 | 11)
18:08 Calinou Correct words103
18:08 Calinou Wrong words2
18:08 Calinou You are better than 98.32% of all users (position 2148 of 128207 - last 24 hours)
18:08 Calinou was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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18:08 Calinou You are better than 98.32% of all users (position 2148 of 128207 - last 24 hours)
18:08 Calinou there :)
18:08 Krock pastebin for the win
18:08 Krock yes we got that already
18:08 Calinou ok
18:08 Krock congrats
18:10 Krock ou are better than 65.79% of all users
18:10 Krock at least something
18:10 Amaz You are better than 80.17% of all users :)
18:10 xfceKris The problem with me doing it is my daughter is on my lap, still got 53 wpm and 79.22%
18:10 Amaz Wow!
18:11 Krock *looks for a site with real sentences to write*
18:11 swift110 lol
18:11 xfceKris Krock, right? that slowed me down too.
18:12 Krock xfceKris, thing is: I need the half time to read and remember the word :P
18:12 Krock *cries*
18:14 xfceKris 64 wpm this time and 86.47%
18:14 Soni I'm guessing that works better on a mech keyboard
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18:15 xfceKris I'm using a wireless logitech K350 keyboard
18:15 xfceKris sitting across the room...
18:15 xfceKris looking at my 39" TV Computer moniter...
18:15 Krock writing across the room...
18:15 xfceKris monitor*
18:15 Calinou my screen is 24", but I have a new 48" TV now
18:16 Calinou Logitech G11
18:16 xfceKris If I'm sitting at a desk, I see no reason for anything bigger than 20-24" myself.
18:16 xfceKris But I'm on my couch...
18:16 Calinou 25" would be ideal, but it's very rare
18:16 Calinou 25" 2560×1440 to be accurate :)
18:17 xfceKris that's a one inch difference from what you have now...How does that make a big difference?
18:17 xfceKris ^^not sarcasm, honest curiousity.
18:18 Obani * xfceKris wonders if there are any good fps games in linux...like halo or mw2
18:18 Krock !c (2560*1440) / (1280*1024)
18:18 MinetestBot 2.8125
18:18 Calinou it's tiny I know
18:18 Obani Try unvanquished or Xonotic
18:18 Calinou but would you go to 23" instead of 24"?
18:18 Obani It might be some of  the bests :)
18:18 Calinou http://etlegacy.com/
18:18 * xfceKris takes note
18:18 Calinou "Friends don't let friends revive nazis"
18:18 xfceKris thanks Obani
18:18 Krock Wow. about 3 times more pixels on Calinou's screen
18:18 Obani Also try thedarkmod for a good first person thief game
18:18 Obani Warsow is also a very good quake like
18:18 Calinou Krock, I'm only in 1920×1080.
18:19 Calinou I saw a 2560×1440 screen in 24" the other day
18:19 Obani xfceKris, also Urban Terror, as a Counter Strike clone
18:19 Calinou 370 €
18:19 Krock !c (1920*1080) / (1280*1024)
18:19 Obani afk (om nom nom)
18:19 MinetestBot 1.58203125
18:19 Calinou ehm no
18:19 Calinou 290 €
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18:27 xfceKris I've got to stop trying to find games on Ubuntu Software Center
18:28 * xfceKris shakes head
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18:28 Calinou it's essentially Debian packages
18:28 Calinou many games are not packaged there
18:28 Calinou like Stunt Rally
18:30 xfceKris I'm gonna venture a guess that less than 20% of installable software for *buntu distros is actually in the software center.
18:31 Krock remove a zero and the guess could be more exact
18:32 nanepiwo i feel like i made a stupid mistake here but dont know whats wrong
18:32 nanepiwo minetest.register_alias("paragenv7​:grass","default:dirt_with_grass")
18:34 Calinou xfceKris, no, Debian has a lot of packages compared to other distributions
18:34 Calinou but other distributions are kind of catching up
18:52 xfceKris ETlegacy looks awesome...I LOVED Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory.
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19:15 xfceKris so, I can't find that tree trim mod you were talking about Krock
19:15 xfceKris my google-fu isn't strong enough I guess
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19:18 Krock !mod treecapitator]
19:18 MinetestBot Krock: TreeCapitator [treecapitator] by Hybrid Dog - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4772
19:20 xfceKris well then, You should have just said that it was meant to behead the trees.lmao
19:20 Krock xfceKris, just checked for all mods that contain "tree" or "timber" and selected the best one
19:20 Krock I saw the mod on a server but there were too many other mods, so I wasn't sure which one exactly
19:21 xfceKris word, Maybe I'll look into making an "improved one" as part of my "teach yourself lua by beating yourself over the head with it" regimen.
19:21 xfceKris "improved" one*
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19:25 Obani xfceKris, still trying to find some good 3d games ? :)
19:26 Calinou write one!
19:27 Calinou http://godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine
19:28 xfceKris lol, I've got six tabs open for those games you guys mentioned, plus a Portal "non-clone"
19:28 xfceKris But sure, I'll take more suggestionss
19:28 Krock Minetest is a good 3D game
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19:31 xfceKris I see what you did there Krock...I am unamused, stop doing it.
19:32 Krock Do you mean the kitten meat in my chests or the lava generated stone mountain?
19:32 xfceKris Why not both?
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19:33 Krock But at least one of them I need to live
19:34 xfceKris The mountain, got to have the mountain to live...The kitten meat is questionable.
19:37 Obani xfceKris, as a clone of ace of spades, you have open spades
19:38 Obani xfceKris, do you know Cube Engine 2 ?
19:39 xfceKris nope
19:39 xfceKris !g Open Spades
19:39 MinetestBot xfceKris: http://gamejolt.com/games/openspades/46984
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19:45 xfceKris Open spades is windows and mac only...no linux support.
19:47 Krock drink wine?
19:48 zat I just drank some and I am drunk
19:48 zat (really)
19:48 zat I came
19:49 xfceKris no, I drink beer. Hate wine (love the drink, hate the software.)
19:49 Krock rekt
19:49 zat I came
19:50 zat to ask
19:50 zat someone knows what is the name of that new minetest-like game Celeron is making?
19:50 Krock see his GitHub acc
19:50 zat I don't know it and am too drunk
19:50 zat xfceKris: name some good beer brands pl0x
19:50 Krock lie down and try again in 10 hours
19:51 zat no way, my father birthday is in 4 more hours
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19:51 zat we were about to buy some Budweiser but then we went to another supermarket and they did not have it there
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19:51 zat so I ended up buying some Peruvian one that was super cheap
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19:52 zat no no, it is Bolivian.
19:52 Krock too dunk.. can't read.. hah!
19:53 zat that's basketbally
19:53 zat LOLCOPTER
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19:55 xfceKris I like lagers and ales...check out the magic hat line, also there is a good selection of local brews at every Mellow Mushroom if you have one near you.
19:55 xfceKris zat^^^
20:01 Calinou xfceKris, OpenSpades does support GNU/Linux.
20:01 Calinou I've used it in the past.
20:01 Calinou you need to compile it yourself
20:01 Calinou zat, Buildat
20:01 Calinou it's inactive for 1 year now
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20:02 zat KIK
20:03 zat oh damn
20:03 zat Minetest needs an urgent rewrite I think
20:03 xfceKris Why so zat?
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20:03 Calinou it won't happen
20:03 zat It can't be that I have to wait ten minutes to connect to a new server
20:03 Krock zat, please begin.
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20:04 zat Krock: I will when if (!drunk && hastime)
20:04 Krock is that happening somewhen?
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20:04 Calinou zat, tell servers to use less mods, or to use remote media
20:04 Krock (not saying that you're drunk all the time)
20:04 zat if I keep drinking the way I do it is near Infinity
20:05 zat Javascriptily thinking though
20:06 zat Calinou: I think that if you pretend to make a framework for sandbox games it should be in a lower level than Minetest is
20:06 Calinou in which way?
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20:13 zat its inherent frameworkness restrict any form of inter-operational paradigm
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20:16 nrzkt !server Appletree
20:16 MinetestBot nrzkt: AppleTree - Survival & Build | pts.epixel-game.net | Clients: 11/50, 9/11 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / epixel | Ping: 12ms
20:17 Krock It's grey, like the sky.
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20:19 zat paradigm... you know
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20:25 Obani xfceKris, nop
20:25 Obani OpenSpades is on LInux
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20:26 Obani And also for cube2engine
20:27 Obani xfceKris, some games made with Cube2Engine http://redeclipse.net/ http://sauerbraten.org/ http://assault.cubers.net/
20:28 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Fractal mapgen: Fix mysterious bug 3a4bcf3 http://git.io/vCZiY (2015-10-10T21:27:44+01:00)
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20:30 xfceKris would that mysterious bug be the one that causes servers to randomly kick people off?
20:30 Krock > Fractal mapgen
20:30 Krock > randomly kick people of
20:30 Krock Those things are so similar like water and stone
20:31 zat xfceKris: ever played Rise of the Triad?
20:31 nm0i Actually been thinking on "meteor shower" weather with random kick...
20:31 xfceKris lol, I know. I should have said /s/
20:31 zat "I am freeeeeeee"
20:31 xfceKris !g Rise of the Triad
20:31 MinetestBot xfceKris: http://riseofthetriad.net/
20:32 zat I am talking about the first one
20:32 zat circa 90s
20:34 Calinou Obani, AssaultCube is Cube 1, not Cube 2
20:34 Calinou they went with Cube 1 even when Cube 2 was available...
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20:38 Out`Of`Control hi
20:38 Out`Of`Control is there a mod to seperate logs?
20:39 Obani Calinou, that's why it has so bad graphics x)
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20:45 xfceKris Out`Of`Control: what do you mean?
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20:47 Out`Of`Control xfceKris: split chat and other info
20:47 Out`Of`Control so chat is saved to other file, not debug.txt
20:48 xfceKris Oh, you mean chat, I thought you meant something else
20:48 xfceKris I have no idea, but I'm sure someone here might be able to help
20:49 Calinou I am on 60 channels!
20:49 Calinou on 4 networks
20:49 swift110 where can I get mods for minetest?
20:49 Out`Of`Control i mean debug.txt it gets too big
20:50 Calinou swift110, http://forum.minetest.net -> Mod Releases
20:50 Calinou Out`Of`Control, debug_log_level = 0
20:50 Calinou disables logging to debug.txt
20:50 Out`Of`Control i need it to see errors, just would like to split info into other file
20:51 swift110 cool thanks Calinou
20:51 Out`Of`Control some info like chat
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20:51 Calinou use logrotate then
20:51 Calinou but if you're on Windows, you're out of luck
20:51 Out`Of`Control Calinou:  what is windows?
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21:02 bleak_fire_ Anyone know a server with Unified Inventory Lite, so I can take a look at it before I add it to mine?
21:03 bleak_fire_ I'm having problems with disappearing players and VanessaE suggested using it
21:03 bleak_fire_ it doesnt seem to work though, and i dont see anything relevant using grep, so i'm guessing i have an older version of unified inventory installed
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21:08 Out`Of`Control bleak_fire_:  i have it installed
21:09 Out`Of`Control bleak_fire_:  Liberty Land
21:09 Out`Of`Control its a bit out of date too, I have recent one on test server can show you that one too
21:13 bleak_fire_ what do you mean "out of date"?
21:13 bleak_fire_ was it removed you think from the version of unified_inventory i have?
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21:13 bleak_fire_ because i added it to the config and it still isnt using the lite layout
21:14 Out`Of`Control bleak_fire_:  i have old one on Liberty Land server
21:15 bleak_fire_ ok
21:15 bleak_fire_ but was it removed from later versions of unified inventory?
21:16 Out`Of`Control no
21:19 bleak_fire_ i just connected to liberty land ad it looks like the regular unified inventory to me...
21:20 bleak_fire_ i thought unified inventory had a smaller box on the left side with the items to choose from
21:20 bleak_fire_ unified inventory lite
21:20 bleak_fire_ while regular unified inventory had the bigger box on the right
21:20 Out`Of`Control yes type /mods
21:21 Out`Of`Control its not lite
21:21 comradmax isnt 'lite' just a setting in the new UI?
21:21 bleak_fire_ that's what i was talking about when i was looking for a server with "lite"
21:21 comradmax it's not the name of the mod
21:21 comradmax it's a mode in ui
21:21 bleak_fire_ i know
21:22 Out`Of`Control bleak_fire_:  sorry i misread you
21:22 bleak_fire_ but it doesnt seem to work in my config so i'm wondering if i have an older version of unified_inventory on my server
21:22 bleak_fire_ ok
21:22 comradmax probably, where did you getit?
21:22 bleak_fire_ Out`Of`Control do you know any unified_inventory_lite servers off the top of your head?
21:23 bleak_fire_ i had a server early this year which was short lived, and started a new one last week which i'm sure is permanent
21:23 Out`Of`Control bleak_fire_:  try to find http://servers.minetest.net/
21:23 bleak_fire_ before i announce
21:23 bleak_fire_ in the forum
21:23 bleak_fire_ i want to see if it works right first
21:23 bleak_fire_ because i did it the wrong way when i tried the first time
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21:24 bleak_fire_ Out`Of`Control i can try each one and try and remember which one had the lite inventory
21:24 bleak_fire_ but it is just a config setting VanessaE told me that
21:24 bleak_fire_ it isnt working for me so that's just my guess
21:24 Out`Of`Control you get anny errors?
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21:25 comradmax bleak_fire_: that setting is a recent addition to the code, you either had a diff version, or an older release of UI
21:25 bleak_fire_ oh ok
21:25 comradmax https://github.com/minetest​-technic/unified_inventory
21:25 bleak_fire_ that's probably it
21:25 bleak_fire_ if i update it do you think it will break everything?
21:25 comradmax whatever you have, get rid of it, and try this
21:25 comradmax no, back up your existing mod dir
21:25 comradmax delete UI that you have, use the new one, rejoyce
21:26 bleak_fire_ ok so everyone will still have everything
21:26 Out`Of`Control i always test first localy
21:26 comradmax bleak_fire_: back up EVERYTHING, repeat other steps
21:27 comradmax ABB, always be backingup
21:27 comradmax ABBU
21:27 comradmax !g ABBU
21:27 MinetestBot comradmax: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/convert​-address-book-abbu-file-csv-57969.html
21:27 Out`Of`Control backup your backup haha
21:27 comradmax interesting
21:31 comradmax for days this room was dead, i stepped away for half a day, and there is 1M new messages.  'you' is always plural, it is just used to refer to single individuals, not because it's also singular, but because the English language is inherently polite.
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21:35 comradmax also kittens are cute, and so are adult cats
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21:38 bleak_fire_ Nope, still shows up as full
21:38 bleak_fire_ not lite
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21:39 bleak_fire_ does it only show up as lite for tablets?
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21:40 comradmax try with a brand new user
21:40 * Krock found the cosine interpolation and is happy
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21:43 comradmax Krock: for shading? like Phong?
21:43 Krock comradmax, nah. Just for a trivial noise calculation
21:45 bleak_fire_ hmm apparently lots of my stuff is old
21:45 bleak_fire_ didnt know they updated stuff so often
21:46 comradmax yea ppl go nuts for this game
21:47 bleak_fire_ hey it works for a non-admin user
21:47 comradmax it probably works for any new user
21:47 comradmax or no?
21:47 bleak_fire_ working for non-admin accounts i set up for myself
21:48 bleak_fire_ i mean i dont care it's other people having problems
21:48 bleak_fire_ plus it gets rid of settime etc
21:48 comradmax check the auth file, are there are privs set that have to do with UI?  maybe the existing users have "full" somehow
21:49 bleak_fire_ no the existing users have the lite but admin has the full
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21:49 comradmax oh, ok, so you got everything you set out to do
21:49 bleak_fire_ as do new users
21:49 bleak_fire_ set up a new test account
21:50 bleak_fire_ now to update the rest of the outdated mods
21:50 comradmax !next
21:50 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
21:50 bleak_fire_ lol
21:50 bleak_fire_ thank you
21:50 comradmax im usually a lot less helpful, but yw
21:52 comradmax Krock: are you trying to get rich playing the stocks?
21:52 Krock huh
21:53 comradmax price is a signal, and it has noise
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22:09 bleak_fire_ i was late March 2015 that I had the server
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22:16 bleak_fire_ is datastorage dangerous to update?
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22:29 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, y'all... is LazyJ here often?
22:31 A_Gal i have no idea
22:32 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, at least now I have some Idea... I didn't have a clue before. XD
22:33 JohnnyComeL8ly (That was just a playful jab... thanks for the answer at any rate. ;-)
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22:51 * Jordach is busy finding holes within the forum avatar display system
22:51 Jordach there's a reason why i used to have a 128px sized picture
22:55 JohnnyComeL8ly Why's that Jordach?
22:55 Jordach i'm suspicious about something
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22:56 Jordach when we first got phpbb, we had support for 128px images
22:56 Jordach it got changed to 64px for random reasons
22:56 JohnnyComeL8ly It is probably so that they can eek out the storage.
22:59 diemartin 128px doesn't make the file size much larger, unless you are using .bmp or such
23:00 Jordach but i have a theory, i'd like to test
23:00 diemartin and yet we allow animated .gif ...
23:00 Jordach *sits and watches gimp process frames*
23:00 diemartin also, o/ Jordach
23:00 Jordach 1) make a 64px image
23:01 Jordach 2) use the offsite avatar optiob
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23:01 Jordach 3) replace said image with a higher res version
23:01 diemartin I want the optiob where you spell it option, please
23:01 diemartin <_<
23:01 diemartin does that even work?
23:01 Jordach maybe
23:01 Jordach am testing it
23:02 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/BlenderStuff/test2.gif
23:02 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/memberl​ist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=332
23:02 Jordach notice the image source
23:03 diemartin so... not worky :/
23:03 Jordach except higher resolution
23:03 Jordach for those goddamn high DPI machines
23:03 diemartin ...
23:04 Jordach i'm also suspicious that svgs are supported
23:06 diemartin I guess IE (and his PC) crashed
23:06 diemartin :>
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23:20 bleak_fire_ hi
23:20 bleak_fire_ every minetest mod i updated is not being read by the existing world
23:20 comradmax open world.mt and change all that
23:20 diemartin have you enabled them?
23:20 bleak_fire_ it's the same folder name
23:22 bleak_fire_ found under /usr/share/minetest/games/​minetest_game-0.4.13/mods
23:23 bleak_fire_ unsatisfied dependencies are all there
23:23 diemartin open world.mt and see if they are disabled there. try re-enabling them (by either manually editing the file or using the "Configure" dialog)
23:24 diemartin also, where are you storing mods?
23:24 bleak_fire_ there's nothing in world.mt other than gameid, backend, creative_mode, and enable_damage
23:25 bleak_fire_ i was having trouble when i set stuff up so i put everything in the global folder
23:25 bleak_fire_ some mods needed to be installed in the global folder iirc
23:25 bleak_fire_ but mods weren't generating if i installed them locally
23:25 diemartin no mod should be installed in the global folder
23:25 bleak_fire_ it's the only way i got everything to work...
23:25 diemartin is this a server or sp?
23:26 bleak_fire_ what's an sp?
23:26 diemartin singleplayer
23:26 bleak_fire_ server
23:27 diemartin if you don't intend to share mods across worlds, you can install mods into <world>/worldmods (create if necessary)
23:27 bleak_fire_ i tried when i set it up but it wasnt working
23:27 bleak_fire_ and it's obviously too late now
23:27 bleak_fire_ every mod has the exact same folder name
23:27 bleak_fire_ in the exact same folder
23:27 bleak_fire_ but it isnt being found
23:28 bleak_fire_ example ERROR[main]: mod "nature_classic" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "moretrees"
23:28 bleak_fire_ moretrees is what i replaced
23:28 bleak_fire_ same folder name
23:28 bleak_fire_ same folder location
23:29 bleak_fire_ wait it's only a few of them
23:29 bleak_fire_ for most of them, it cites "biome_lib"
23:30 diemartin ah, that used to be "plants_lib" (from plantlife IIRC)
23:30 bleak_fire_ well i renamed plantfile_modpack to plantlife since that's what it used to be
23:30 bleak_fire_ should i do a symlink from biome_lib to plants_lib?
23:31 diemartin have you updated plantlife to latest, and can find biome_lib somewhere?
23:31 bleak_fire_ plantlife was one of the ones i updated
23:31 bleak_fire_ yes biome_lib is one of the ones cited
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23:33 diemartin bleak_fire_, do you have this? https://github.com/VanessaE/biome_lib
23:33 diemartin it was forked from plantlife recently IIRC
23:33 bleak_fire_ no
23:33 bleak_fire_ well the versions i was using were from march at latest
23:34 bleak_fire_ so i'll instlal that
23:34 diemartin well, try installing it. it provides what used to be the core of plantlife
23:36 bleak_fire_ OK, no dependency errors!
23:36 bleak_fire_ thank you diemartin
23:36 bleak_fire_ now to try the server
23:36 bleak_fire_ think i should do a /clearall or whatever it is?
23:36 diemartin bleak_fire_, glad to be of help. you are quite welcome
23:37 diemartin I don't recall if plantslib uses entities. if you see unknown objects, yes, run /clearobjects
23:38 bleak_fire_ uh oh missing acacia leaves
23:38 bleak_fire_ acacia wood
23:39 bleak_fire_ actually no thats not it
23:39 bleak_fire_ but my street signs are all weird
23:39 bleak_fire_ the text is where it's supposed to be but the signs are in all different directions
23:39 diemartin press F5 and it should show you the pointed node name
23:39 diemartin ah
23:40 diemartin blame me for that :(
23:40 bleak_fire_ what do you mean
23:40 diemartin teh random yaw bug strikes again. never got around to fixing it
23:40 bleak_fire_ i can go around the village and fix it for myself
23:41 bleak_fire_ what's the yaw bug?
23:41 diemartin dunno :P some users report seeing signs' text facing the wrong direction
23:42 bleak_fire_ it only happened after this upgrade
23:42 bleak_fire_ not too much of a pain to redo everything for myself
23:42 bleak_fire_ but can it be fixed?
23:42 bleak_fire_ or is it a "bug"
23:44 diemartin it can be fixed, but as I couldn't reproduce it, don't really know where to look
23:44 bleak_fire_ ok
23:44 bleak_fire_ i always do lots of signs and travelnets i'm big on that
23:44 diemartin but now that you mention it, my guess is there was some changes in the placement code that rotated the signs but not the text accordingly
23:45 diemartin sooo... expect something soon(tm)
23:48 bleak_fire_ hmm having a tough time reinstalling some of the sideways signs
23:48 bleak_fire_ if one is behind anothr
23:49 bleak_fire_ it's just doing the normal "on the building" way
23:49 bleak_fire_ though on poles it works
23:50 diemartin I don't quite follow. could you show me a screenshot?
23:53 bleak_fire_ it's going across poles but not out from sides of buildings anymore
23:54 bleak_fire_ connect to the server i noticed you and see
23:54 diemartin this will take a while
23:55 bleak_fire_ for you to join you mean?
23:56 bleak_fire_ i'm afraid to do a clearobjects, if i lose it all or not
23:56 diemartin for now, don't
23:57 diemartin it's kaeza in there, btw

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