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00:03 est31 there is linux without gnu
00:03 est31 just think of android
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00:07 paramat naw lava is shallow in minetest, only -250 in mgv5/v7 and even higher in mgv6
00:10 greeter ok, so i was no deeper than -250
00:15 paramat probably deeper, depending on your route you might be very deep before finding your first lava cave
00:17 greeter ah i see
00:17 greeter i tried pulling up the debugging info, but i wasn't sure how to get the altitude from that, assuming it's even possible
00:17 greeter ah, i think i see it now
00:20 waressearcher2 is there benevolent dictator for minetest ?
00:20 waressearcher2 like, how makes the last decision whether include feature or not ?
00:21 paramat co-ords are (x, y, z) y is altitude
00:22 paramat one of c55's roles is 'conflict resolution' though it rarely comes to that
00:23 greeter i'm cutting down trees like there's no tomorrow, i feel like i'm on an episode of gumby or something
00:24 est31 honestly there isnt much happening since c55 left
00:28 waressearcher2 torvalds also hasn't written code for linux kernel for years, but he still the main authority of what will be included in kernel
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00:41 est31 minetest doesnt follow this style currently
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01:11 est31 but c55 holds all the keys, so he has the last say ultimately
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01:13 est31 its not though that he often makes use of this privilege. I don't know how its for the kernel, but I know that only torvald's copy is official, and that he pushes every single commit himself, even if he trusts his subsystem maintainers, and doesnt read every single line of code
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01:13 est31 that isnt the case for minetest, here the coredevs have direct push access
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02:43 bleak_fire_ hi
02:43 bleak_fire_ i just set up a new server
02:44 bleak_fire_ but bfeore i announce anything on the forum
02:44 bleak_fire_ like i did last time
02:44 bleak_fire_ wanted to know if others can help test it with me
02:44 bleak_fire_ since i fixed what i did wrong last time
02:44 bleak_fire_ it's called "THE TERRARIUM"
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02:49 Danfun64 Is there a way to spawn in an ordinary forest when starting an ethereal server for the first time?
02:50 VanessaE set your static spawnpoint accordingly.
02:50 VanessaE i.e. find a suitable forest and set the spawnpoint there
02:50 Danfun64 how do you set a static spawnpoint?
02:51 VanessaE in your minetest.conf, static_spawnpoint = -307,28,-426
02:51 VanessaE or whatever coords you want
02:51 Danfun64 :P
02:51 Danfun64 thank you
02:51 VanessaE (on your server that is)
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02:57 Danfun64 Ethereal can be beautiful
02:57 Danfun64 but it gives really bad initial spawn points
02:58 Danfun64 one time I created an ethereal server and the initial spawn point was a lava filled area with no escape
02:58 est31 its more the engine'S fault than ethereal's
02:58 VanessaE wow heh
02:58 est31 its a lua mapgen, and there spawn point selection doesnt work
02:59 Danfun64 so...what do you suggest I do, est31? Get rid of ethereal and similar mods?
02:59 est31 no, you can set a static spawn point
02:59 VanessaE do what I said....
03:00 VanessaE one caveat:
03:00 VanessaE make sure 0,0,0 is a safe place to land as well
03:00 bleak_fire_ is anyone trying to connect to my server and disconnecting?
03:00 bleak_fire_ because everyone seems to be
03:00 bleak_fire_ but is anyone here?
03:00 VanessaE bleak_fire_: if you have lots of mods, you'll be getting lots of client crashes
03:01 VanessaE from tablet/phone users etc
03:01 est31 VanessaE, ?
03:01 bleak_fire_ actually that was one of the issues i had last time, some tablets and phone users were crashing
03:01 est31 too much nodedef RAM?
03:01 VanessaE minetest uses around 400 MB of RAM to connect to my Basic server, for example.
03:01 VanessaE on the client.
03:01 bleak_fire_ honestly i cant understand how you can't play minetest with something that small but
03:01 est31 ah yes that
03:01 VanessaE and up to around 1.3 GB after you've been online for a while
03:02 bleak_fire_ seems to be taking 1.2 GB for me
03:02 nm0i Cool, I just need to add lots of mods to make tablet people gone then!
03:03 Danfun64 ...
03:03 VanessaE android clients basically act stupid about the RAM usage - just outright crash instead of trimming down their usage (like throwing away excess mapblock data, or employing texture compression)
03:03 Danfun64 android minetest needs more love
03:03 VanessaE nm0i: well yeah pretty much :)
03:03 VanessaE or just run Dreambuilder :D
03:04 VanessaE that'll get rid of all but the highest-end tablets :P
03:05 nm0i Sadly more than 1800 nodes defined will make server choke. =\
03:05 VanessaE 1800?  that's nothing.
03:05 VanessaE Dreambuilder has over 16'000 :P
03:05 VanessaE I would guess my Basic server has around 2000 odd.
03:05 bleak_fire_ btw what is server_dedicated = false that was later added to my minetest.conf?
03:05 * nm0i sighs
03:06 nm0i I wonder how I got that regression...
03:06 bleak_fire_ my server i think wound up with around 1400 inventory
03:06 Danfun64 What is this "lite mode" for unified inventory?
03:06 VanessaE I'm counting all the stuff that's hidden from the inv (i.e. stuff provided only by moreblocks table saw)
03:07 VanessaE Danfun64: smaller inventory formspec, fewer features
03:07 bleak_fire_ wait have to reboot server before anyone tries to join
03:07 est31 unified inventory is usually very bload
03:07 est31 bloated*
03:07 bleak_fire_ better idea to put in the AFK i turned it off
03:07 VanessaE meant for servers that cater to tablet/phone users
03:07 est31 lite mode is a good compromise
03:07 Danfun64 How do you enable lite mode?
03:08 VanessaE unified_inventory_lite = true
03:08 VanessaE and you can give individual users the\ full-mode by giving them the priv "ui_full"
03:08 bleak_fire_ is unified_inventory_lite the smaller menu with the smaller grid on the left side?
03:08 VanessaE bleak_fire_: yes.
03:09 Danfun64 What mod combination do you recommends for survival (with mobs and stuff) but caters to low-end/tablet users?
03:09 Danfun64 Not too boring, but not too heavy
03:09 VanessaE Danfun64: Nostalgia game :P
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03:10 VanessaE (seriously though, don't try.  "light enough for a phone" and "not too boring" generally don't go well together)
03:10 bleak_fire_ it's back up
03:10 nm0i Just wondering, should 2 core 2.5GHz Intel Xeon be sufficient for ">1800" blocks?
03:10 nm0i And, say, 2-5 players.
03:10 VanessaE more than sufficient if you have enough RAM
03:11 Danfun64 "don't try". xD
03:11 bleak_fire_ is the fact that it's creative mode make it harder for mobile users? everyone having 99 of everything
03:11 VanessaE bleak_fire_: nope.
03:11 Danfun64 is mt_nostalgia *seriously* the best compromise?
03:11 VanessaE Danfun64: that was a joke :)
03:11 VanessaE Nostalgia is barely more than development "minimal" game
03:11 Danfun64 xD
03:11 VanessaE maybe just a plain vanilla minetest_game
03:12 Danfun64 no.
03:12 VanessaE along with some server tools (maptools, gloopblocks, areas mod, worldedit, etc)
03:13 Danfun64 plain minetest_game is boring.
03:13 Danfun64 no offense
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03:13 VanessaE none taken.  most of us agree :P
03:14 Danfun64 still can't think of a decent compromise?
03:14 wilkgr Just wondering, why do I still get particles (on MegaF´s server) even though I have them disabed in settings?
03:14 nolsen_ I wonder if there's a mod to prevent tor/proxies/abused IPs accessing your server.
03:15 nolsen_ Because anyone could get Tor and abuse the servers.
03:15 nm0i Use any BOPM
03:15 est31 tor doesnt work
03:15 nolsen_ BOPM is IRC only.
03:15 nm0i And tor is udp-free
03:15 nm0i Not really.
03:15 est31 bc tor is tcp
03:15 est31 and minetest is udp
03:15 nolsen_ est31: Well, proxys still work.
03:15 nolsen_ proxies*
03:15 nolsen_ and VPNs
03:15 est31 there is no way to defend from them
03:16 est31 tor has quite public lists yes
03:16 est31 but VPNs?
03:16 nolsen_ an API to a Black list.
03:16 nolsen_ Blacklist*
03:16 nolsen_ Just ban the blacklisted IPs from a database.
03:16 Danfun64 I'll take that as a "no
03:16 nolsen_ like EFNet database, or DroneBL.
03:16 Danfun64 " :P
03:17 nm0i Blitzet BOPM had hooks for any protocol, IIRC.
03:18 nolsen_ I don't think it will work for minetest.
03:19 nm0i I don't see what prevents you from parsing minetets's log.
03:19 nm0i And feeding IPs into BOPM.
03:19 nolsen_ But how will it ban?
03:20 nm0i iptables -j DROP
03:20 nolsen_ iptables is linux-only
03:20 nm0i Sooo.
03:20 nolsen_ What if someone was running a server on windows?
03:21 nolsen_ or OS X?
03:21 nolsen_ That wouldn't work.
03:22 nm0i If you want embedded into minetest solution, it is there. You just need to write it.
03:24 bleak_fire_ VanessaE: did you say before that it's a good idea to set up a usable 0,0,0? (covering the ocean there in rocks now) is that just an arbitrary number to teleport to or is there a significance
03:25 VanessaE it's the center of the world
03:25 VanessaE sometimes the server will ignore static_spawnpoint and teleport users to then on sign-in
03:26 VanessaE I don't know why it happens, so best to just make sure a user can safely land there and teleport away to somewhere more sane (like where your regular spawn is) via travelnet or some other teleporter mod
03:26 bleak_fire_ cool
03:26 bleak_fire_ i love travelnets
03:27 bleak_fire_ pizza server is covered with my travelnets :)
03:29 wilkgr I´m back to using 0.4.11.
03:30 wilkgr Basically the only one that doesn´t crash...
03:30 VanessaE ew
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03:30 Danfun64 last chance for a good answer for my question...
03:32 Danfun64 ...thanks anyway...
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03:55 waressearcher2 !g ·
03:55 MinetestBot waressearcher2: .g what?
03:58 RichardTheTurd I see that MinetestBot finally shut up
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04:30 bleak_fire_ everyone seems to be timing out. anyone wanna help me out please?
04:30 bleak_fire_ i dont know what they're using
04:30 swift110-phone Hmm
04:31 bleak_fire_ but it would be great if a bunch of people here could try and connect
04:31 bleak_fire_ THE TERRARIUM
04:32 bleak_fire_ as for memory use, i've been on for a half hour at least and it's only 1.3 gb according to procexp
04:36 bleak_fire_ nobody's here?
04:56 bleak_fire_ well i just logged off i have to go for a bit so
04:56 bleak_fire_ please try and log on and let me know here
04:57 bleak_fire_ i can read debug.txt when i get back
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05:47 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mapgen: Add 4D fractal mapgen e62eac4 http://git.io/vc7HZ (2015-10-06T06:43:04+01:00)
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06:18 bleak_fire_ i added unified_inventory_lite = true to my minetest.conf and it's still using the regular one
06:19 swift110-phone Hmm
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06:35 bleak_fire_ i'm going to bed now, goodnight
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09:00 Krock When you fold an A4 paper 50 times you would reach the sun
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09:01 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Mad Hatter Day! 😃
09:02 Krock moin
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10:56 Krock Oh my god. There are three dead pixels. Rest in peace.
10:56 Krock They look so blood-red, I wonder what happened with them
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11:00 JamesTait I remember a program that claimed to be able to unstick stuck pixels. Trying to recall the name.
11:02 Krock let's see. there's a program called undeadpixel
11:04 JamesTait I think it was this one: http://www.jscreenfix.com/
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11:47 ice10001 Hello
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11:47 Krock Hi
11:52 Fixer hi
12:11 nrzkt hi
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12:24 Krock October21, you're 15 days too early
12:25 nrzkt Krock => []
12:25 Krock DOn't move me into that tiny box
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12:30 October21 krock, u are right :)
12:31 Calinou https://github.com/SirCmpwn/TrueCraft/issues/45
12:31 Calinou > I have pulled in some MineTest sound effects.
12:31 Calinou :)
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12:33 sfan5 Calinou: >I don't know how to capitalize "Minetest" correctly
12:33 sfan5 /s
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12:40 comradmax tried the 'fractal', does this look diff ? http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=93837
12:40 comradmax http://www.pasteall.org/pic/93836
12:41 Krock I think it would be better to stretch the fractal mapgen along the X and Z axis to make it flatter
12:42 comradmax the main diff i think i see are the big drops under water
12:42 comradmax it's less flat than v7
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12:45 comradmax ubuntu is asking for a reboot for the 2nd time in a few weeks
12:47 Calinou kernel updates need a reboot, pretty much
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12:50 Krock Lol. What's going with that TrueCraft game? Crashes whenever the client gets started
12:50 Calinou it's Mono...
12:51 Krock Yeah but I wonder why they didn't include a .pdb file to debug the stuff
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13:17 greeter you know, this game is much more fun with sound
13:18 comradmax did you turn on your speakers?
13:18 greeter no, i installed them
13:18 Krock apt-get install speakers
13:19 comradmax gnu-speakers
13:19 greeter not all that far from the truth lol
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13:21 greeter being new to the game i was wondering. is it just me or is gold pretty useless?
13:21 Krock economy
13:21 greeter economy?
13:22 greeter so people trade it in multiplayer games?
13:22 Krock It's supposed to be a currency IMO
13:22 greeter ah ok... i've been building with it lol. i hope to eventually turn my whole house into gold
13:23 Krock heh. Steel is much more solid
13:23 greeter indeed, but i have a tendency of getting lost and gold is more noticeable
13:24 Krock /sethome and /home helps ;)
13:24 greeter oh? i'll have to look into those commands
13:24 Krock The mod unified_inventory also contains such a home function
13:25 greeter wish i had known that before going -100 blocks down in this mine lol. oh well, i'll know for the next time
13:25 Krock Be happy, you were able to enjoy the real conditions without teleportation
13:26 greeter true. i've never teleported in this game
13:26 Krock Protip: Use ladders in a 1x2 shaft when you mine vertical down, so you can let you fall and stop using the ladders
13:27 greeter hmm
13:27 Krock Because ores get more common in the depth
13:27 greeter i've noticed that. deep enough down, i see ores that never appear near the surface
13:28 comradmax !wik ores
13:28 MinetestBot "This page is an overview page over the ores found in Minetest." - http://wiki.minetest.net/ores
13:29 greeter i'll read it now
13:29 greeter yesterday though i had a blast digging down as far as i could go, in as straight a line as possible
13:30 comradmax you can kill yourself like that
13:30 greeter only if you play with damage on :-P
13:30 comradmax true
13:31 greeter it's a curse getting back though. one mis-step and all of a sudden you've fallen back down 30 nodes
13:34 comradmax just keep going down, what do you need on the surface anyway?  find a cave and build your new house there :)
13:34 Krock It's boring with damage off, where's the adrenalin when lava is flowing to you?
13:35 greeter i might enable damage later, but i don't think i'm ready to survive in this game yet lol
13:35 comradmax half of the fun for me is looking for my bones
13:36 greeter after years of playing nethack i gotta get the story on this lol
13:37 comradmax if you have crystal armor pieces, and die, you spend a lot of time looking for those bones
13:38 greeter i bet
13:38 comradmax i hear that it's possible to walk on lava with a full set of crystal
13:40 greeter nice
13:40 greeter ok in the ores section, it says that mese blocks start to occur at a depth of -1024. how does someone get that deep? i've never been past -350, i always run into lava
13:40 comradmax avoid lava and keep going
13:41 greeter hmm, sounds easier said than done lol
13:41 Teckla I always liked Angband better than NetHack
13:41 Krock greeter, I got down to -530m within ~4 days
13:41 greeter i tried angband but i couldn't get into it. i suspect it's one of those things, like of like the great debate between vi and emacs or gnome and kde lol
13:42 Krock use water buckets and dig the obsidian to continue mining
13:42 Teckla I played a lot of Hack back in the day, perhaps I got burned out on it before it morphed into NetHack
13:42 Teckla The myriad ways to insta-die in NetHack always bothered me
13:42 greeter ah i see. maybe so
13:42 greeter ha, some of those are are a real curse for sure
13:43 greeter hmm, i wonder if the obsidian would make better windows
13:43 Krock it does ;)
13:44 MegafRemote greeter: What server you usually play?
13:44 greeter i'm brand new to the game, just started yesterday, so i've just been playing locally
13:45 MegafRemote I see, welcome to minetest then
13:45 greeter thank you kindly MegafRemote
13:46 MegafRemote greeter: so, you can go very deep, on my server there are people that built their homes at -2000+ deep
13:46 greeter nice
13:46 greeter i knew it must be possible, i just didn't know how
13:46 MegafRemote just keep diging, not in a straight line
13:46 comradmax use tnt to mine faster
13:46 MegafRemote make a stair like dig for example
13:47 Krock MegafRemote, and how do those guys farm trees?
13:47 greeter i'll try that for my next mine. this one i'm still not totally confident that i'll be able to find my way back to the top lol
13:47 Krock or any other things?
13:47 Megaf_ Krock: we have automated farms underground
13:48 Megaf_ I built an automated tree farm that plants the sapling, get he tree, craft items and plant the sapling again
13:48 Megaf_ I built an automated tree farm that plants the sapling,(wait till it grows) get he tree, craft items and plant the sapling again
13:49 Megaf_ greeter: well, feel free to go to my server, it takes for ever to login there, but once you manage to login there are plenty of stuff to do, and I'd be happy to give you a tour. No need to keep playing there afterwards, dont worry :)
13:49 Megaf_ !server Megaf
13:49 MinetestBot Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/11, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
13:50 greeter hmm. i'll have to give that some consideration for sure. i'm not sure if my internet connection could even maintain a connection to a remote server right now
13:50 Megaf_ greeter: I playin using a slow 3G myself
13:50 greeter well my internet speed is about average for canada, but i usually have around a 10s ping time
13:51 comradmax MegafRemote: no offense, but sounds like the tree farming is something you'd rather not do.  if you automate how you edscribed, then it's basically a tree, and a box next to it, and once in a while the box gets an item to appear
13:52 Megaf_ comradmax: I don't get it
13:52 Teckla I built a home underground and brought some dirt down and planted trees
13:52 Teckla They grow, I harvest the wood, etc.  :)
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14:00 zat Teckla: repeat indefinitely and become a millionaire!!
14:01 comradmax a mesenaire
14:02 Krock ^^
14:02 zat resourcenaire, what's the currency in Minetest?
14:02 zat minecoin?
14:02 comradmax no coins in vanilla
14:02 zat ...testcoin
14:03 zat ...mesecoin
14:03 zat so, since there is no more MSN, what should mese become?
14:03 * comradmax hates getting kicked in the testecoins
14:03 Krock zat, if you install 'bitchange' you get minecoins
14:03 zat Krock: for real? wat, I was just joking.
14:04 Krock I know but the funnything is they actually exist
14:04 Krock there's also "Minegeld" (where geld = money)
14:04 zat strange name
14:04 comradmax !btc minecoin
14:04 MinetestBot comradmax: Unknown currency. Supported currencies: BRL, KRW, SGD, DKK, EUR, SEK, HKD, TWD, GBP, JPY, CLP, CNY, NZD, RUB, ISK, CHF, THB, USD, PLN, CAD, AUD
14:04 Krock It's Denglish
14:05 zat CLP eh?
14:05 zat !btc clp
14:05 MinetestBot 1 BTC = 167763.6900 $
14:05 Krock !btc CHF
14:05 MinetestBot 1 BTC = 236.4800 CHF
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14:05 zat watafac, BTCs are expensive
14:05 comradmax !btc usd
14:05 MinetestBot 1 BTC = 243.4000 $
14:06 Krock !c 236.48 / 243.4
14:06 MinetestBot 0.9715694330320459
14:09 sfan5 Krock: ping
14:09 comradmax diamonds are the closest MT has to a real currency.  obviously if you mod up the ass, then anything is possible
14:09 Krock sfan5: pong
14:09 sfan5 Krock: if i have a rear fan in a computer, do i point it with the logo outwards or inwards?
14:10 Krock Depends how the rotors are mounted
14:10 sfan5 ...
14:11 comradmax there are airflow arrows on fans
14:11 comradmax airflow and rotation arrows
14:12 Krock My fans run clockwise -> air blows to where the logo is
14:12 Krock ^ sfan5
14:13 sfan5 there is an arrow pointing up and one pointing left
14:13 sfan5 Krock: http://cdn-reichelt.de/bilder/web​/xxl_ws/E910/COO-XPF120.R_01.png it looks like this
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14:14 Krock ah I see. So it will blow to the "backside" of that image
14:14 comradmax the arrow is pointing in the direction that air is moved
14:14 sfan5 so i put the logo inwards because i want to get the air out?
14:14 comradmax yes
14:14 comradmax correct on both
14:14 greeter ooh, with the /sethome command i never have to worry about being lost again :-D
14:14 Krock I thought the logo was on the other side, with all technical data
14:15 comradmax that's the 'sticker'
14:15 Krock Ah okay
14:15 sfan5 thanks for the help
14:15 sfan5 i should really know this myself but uhh..
14:15 comradmax im surprised ppl dont konw about arows more
14:16 Krock Sunno which arrows you mean
14:16 Krock *Dunno
14:16 comradmax btw, i've see fans that flow opposite what you'd expect, only way to know was to look at the arrow or turn on and try
14:17 Krock Rnning them in the opposide would be much more inefficient since the air wouldn't get pused correctly
14:18 Krock Typo monster is doing its work again...
14:18 comradmax http://www.bcot1.com/IMG_1271b.jpg
14:18 comradmax example
14:19 Krock uhm *takes a fan* actually, haven't noticed them before
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14:19 sfan5 but
14:19 sfan5 wtf is that left arrow supposed to mean?
14:19 comradmax rotation
14:19 sfan5 ohhhh
14:19 sfan5 im dumb
14:20 * Krock writes it on a sign and sticks it on sfan5's head
14:20 Krock >:)
14:20 JohnnyComeL8ly lol
14:20 comradmax sfan5: if you ever tried to stop a cpu fan with your finger, you start to appreciate direction arrows
14:21 comradmax DO NOT TRY
14:21 JohnnyComeL8ly sfan5: It might help in making you not look so dumb if you didn't cuss.
14:21 Krock It's easy to stop it... fromt he backside
14:22 JohnnyComeL8ly It is easy to stop a CPU fan... you just apply pressure in the center, where there is a flat area.
14:22 JohnnyComeL8ly I don't recommend it, for I'm thinking it is bad to do so.
14:23 JohnnyComeL8ly *bad for the fan, I mean.
14:23 Krock JohnnyComeL8ly, just disconnect it from the power source <.<
14:24 JohnnyComeL8ly That works... sorta: the BIOS will start having conniption fits, depending on the settings.
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14:33 sfan5 Krock: :<
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14:49 comradmax what is fun about playing MT?
14:50 JohnnyComeL8ly With adequate mods... everything!
14:52 comradmax i have lots of reservations about any mod.  you never konw if the developers inadvertently slowed somethign down
14:53 comradmax but that's not all
14:53 comradmax MT looks like butt.  so the game itself must be super fun to make up for the visuals
14:53 comradmax so what i do in the game should be the reward
14:54 comradmax so to answer my own open question: the fun part is crafting/mining your way to some goal, like crystal armor, or gold block house
14:55 comradmax wondering what others would say, thanx JohnnyComeL8ly for yours
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14:57 JohnnyComeL8ly comradmax, you are welcome.  Isn't a butt beautiful though?
14:57 comradmax yes, it's a brazillian butt
14:57 JohnnyComeL8ly Unless it is fresh out of a diaper.
14:58 comradmax 18+ butts
14:58 comradmax !g 18+ butts
14:58 MinetestBot comradmax: http://menbulgesbuttssports.tumblr.com/
14:58 comradmax im not even gonna click on that
14:58 JohnnyComeL8ly Me neither!
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15:01 comradmax when bush was pres, "Mr.President, in a terrorist attack earier today, 3 brazillian ppl were killed". Bush starts crying, then stops for a sec, raises his head and asks, "Wait, how many are in a brazillian?"
15:04 sfan5 ಠ_ಠ
15:04 sfan5 this is not what !g is for
15:06 Teckla comradmax: The pure act of creation is fun for many people
15:07 Teckla Mining for your resources gives an additional challenge and enjoyment at overcoming it
15:07 comradmax Teckla: yes, i can see that actually
15:07 comradmax the building aspect alone for some ppl that is
15:07 Teckla Although I would agree that vanilla Minetest is a little on the...  uh...  well, it could use some excitement  :)
15:08 comradmax MT can be used in many ways, and reading online, that's the phylosophy i guess.  toys and games are not the same tho
15:09 comradmax farming/animals/pets is another angle i'd say is out there
15:10 comradmax one that is boring for me
15:11 comradmax the pets that is, but planting your own gardens could be fun
15:12 Teckla comradmax: What about NPCs that attack you making it more of a challenge?
15:13 comradmax mby i havent seen the good ones, but games i've played with mobs, the combat is worse than no combat
15:15 comradmax or mby i just got killed to easily
15:19 JohnnyComeL8ly lol
15:21 comradmax part of the fun if figuring out what is fun about it
15:22 JohnnyComeL8ly I agree with the "NPC's are lame as of yet" opinion.
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15:23 Fixer hi, after much pain in the *** did some small neat MT testing here https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=13360 (if you are interested)
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15:31 Krock Yes we know, threads are needed
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15:40 Fixer Krock: added two amazing graphs that are even better
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15:54 JohnnyComeL8ly Fixer:  I understand the problem much better now... (no joke).
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16:02 Krock Fixer, is it actually mgv6 you record there or the mapblock loading time?
16:02 Fixer actual mapgen, make fresh map and start walking immid. generating new blocks
16:02 Fixer no wait time
16:03 Fixer new map -> benchmark + walk
16:03 Fixer no wait time
16:03 Fixer i will test some multiplayer gameplay now
16:03 Fixer for stutters
16:04 Fixer that will be block load in MP
16:04 Krock Just saying that it also takes time to draw new from database loaded mapblocks
16:05 Krock On multiplayer servers you will notice that
16:05 Fixer yeah
16:05 Fixer my work is to get some data
16:05 Fixer and devs should think of the rest (if they want)
16:13 ADFENO Hi, I'm trying to create an accound on the development wiki, to help translate articles from English to Brazilian Portuguese. During the account creation, I'm asked to "select just the cat photos in the box below", but I don't see any image.
16:14 est31 Calinou, ^
16:14 est31 ADFENO, type "/msg Calinou <email>" with your email
16:15 est31 he'll create an account for you
16:15 ADFENO Ok.: D
16:15 ADFENO Done. :D
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16:47 Fixer added new graphs on the same topic, network gameplay at 35 nodes on 2 servers, all in ms
16:52 Calinou back
17:02 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest: Add viewing range GUI setting caf0df8 http://git.io/vcbm7 (2015-10-06T19:00:26+02:00)
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17:23 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Correct SRP documentation 8edc8a1 http://git.io/vcbCm (2015-10-06T19:08:53+02:00)
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19:17 TheWild http://dev.minetest.net/LuaEntitySAO isn't very clear. How to get name and objectID of an entity?
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19:52 sfan5 xdg-open wants to open a .desktop file in firefox
19:52 sfan5 ok
19:58 Calinou i am standard!! let me opened firefox!!
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20:55 Fixer just use Windows NT4 and **** **********
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21:35 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Android/Mapgen: Add fractal mapgen file to android makefiles d152b55 http://git.io/vcN5N (2015-10-06T22:32:13+01:00)
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