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00:16 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Mgv5/7 biomes: Add more shallow dirt waters 2119054 http://git.io/vcrYk (2015-10-03T01:12:45+01:00)
00:16 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Remove light source from mese ore ac810db http://git.io/vcrYI (2015-10-03T01:11:10+01:00)
00:34 comradmax how convenient, i was just rebuilding
00:34 comradmax thank you MinetestBot
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00:54 JohnnyComeL8ly Is that why mese ore blocks had a lighter color?
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03:59 kaeza Greetings
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04:26 waressearcher2 is there a mod that make you sort of "hover" ?
04:27 waressearcher2 I mean same as "autojump" but instead of jumping the movement is smooth, so if its a block in front of you and you move forward it slowly moves you up and then as you go from the block down it slowly moves you down so you don't feel any block under its like the surface actualy smooth
04:28 comradmax sounds like the kind of item you'd craft from mining a cloud
04:29 waressearcher2 remember that hoverboard from back to the future if you were hovering over the little cobbles you don't feel them at all
04:30 waressearcher2 wouldn't it be more relaxing to walk that way instead of constantly jumping ?
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04:30 waressearcher2 comradmax: is there such thing as "mining a cloud" ?
04:36 comradmax there ought to be
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04:55 gorilla clouds aren't solid so how do you mine something that you can't hit?
05:03 comradmax xdg-
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06:59 waressearcher2 weekend
06:59 waressearcher2 again
07:01 freeemint yep
07:01 freeemint but not everywhere.
07:06 waressearcher2 freeemint: but as weekend arrives its silence here, so for most people here if not all its weekend
07:06 freeemint i guess the americans still sleep...
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07:07 kaeza this used to be a lively channel, especially on weekends
07:07 kaeza gosh, miss he olden days :/
07:07 kaeza +t
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07:13 kaeza *chirp*
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07:26 Krock Hi
07:27 * Krock wonders if that orange color is new in kaeza's profile..
07:28 kaeza nope
07:28 Krock Strange, it looked new to me
07:28 kaeza just changed default group
07:29 kaeza also, thought it was green (colorblind) :/
07:29 Krock Read the RGB value in the style file :P
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07:42 Krock nuuuh.. 1 hour too late online today to celebrate my 2-year-forum-account day
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07:46 kaeza happy 2-year-forum-account day, Krock
07:46 Krock Thank you :)
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08:46 wilkgr I'm wondering: Is there a way to teleport the player relative to their current location?
08:48 wilkgr For example, if I'm building a lift with mesecon & worldedit, can I just teleport the player up by 1 block each time?
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08:51 Calinou in Lua? fully possible
08:51 Calinou in command blocks? probably not
08:51 wilkgr Ok.
08:51 wilkgr Thanks Calinou
08:52 wilkgr (I know in MC there is "/tp ~ ~ ~5" to teleport 5 blocks up)
08:52 wilkgr Thanks again
08:52 wilkgr I gtg now
08:52 wilkgr as in away checked on.
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09:02 Krock wilkgr, wouldn't that be 5 blocks to z?
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09:15 wilkgr Back, Krock, I'm not sure, but you get the general idea.
09:15 wilkgr BTW, using a different build still gives the MeshUpdateThread error.
09:16 * Krock hides
09:16 * wilkgr chases Krock
09:17 * wilkgr bonks Krock on the head.
09:20 * Krock learnt that you can use the Mandelbrot set to calculate PI
09:20 wilkgr *ahem*
09:20 * wilkgr coughs pointedly
09:21 * Krock is still hidden
09:21 * wilkgr has found Krock
09:21 * Krock sets flag display: none;
09:21 wilkgr This isn't a play, y'know, but anyway - I have default spawnpoint set, and /hp Krock 0 works well.
09:22 wilkgr And developer view still shows your hitbox
09:22 * Krock knows that the hitbox is hidden too
09:22 wilkgr *sigh*
09:23 wilkgr I can still teleport to you
09:23 * Krock wonders how wilkgr wants to touch him without finding a hitbox
09:24 wilkgr I'll install the /whereis mod.
09:24 wilkgr Or set a static spawnpoint, then set your hp to 0.
09:24 wilkgr Blinky plant with a command block to set your hp to 0 again and over again.
09:25 * Krock deletes the on-die function
09:25 wilkgr Geez, I'm running this server!
09:25 wilkgr lol
09:30 Krock Lol the browser M$ edge is great quality.
09:30 wilkgr Never even tried it.
09:30 Krock A youtuber used Win 10 to demonsterate a self-virus and failed at downloading the exe from that browser
09:30 wilkgr Really?
09:30 Krock Yeah...
09:30 wilkgr Can I have the link?
09:30 Krock Well, it's german. https://youtu.be/_GXpSgh-clY?t=5m35s
09:31 wilkgr No worries, I'm German
09:31 Krock oh
09:31 wilkgr Just living in Down Under :D
09:34 wilkgr Anyway, what about my issue?
09:35 Krock There are no new ideas in my head that could help you
09:35 wilkgr :-/
09:35 wilkgr I'm going back to 0.4.12 then...
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09:37 wilkgr Just wondering, what does "MSVC" mean?
09:37 Krock M$ Visual C
09:38 Krock a compiler like MinGW
09:38 wilkgr Ah. I was using your build now.
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10:53 wilkgr I'm amazed.
10:53 wilkgr From this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
10:53 wilkgr To this.
10:53 wilkgr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSwZ2Y0Ops
10:53 wilkgr HOVERBOARDS ARE HERE!
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10:59 Krock uuh
10:59 wilkgr Yeah?
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12:45 yang2003 Hi Vanessa
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12:46 VanessaE hi
12:49 freeemint Hi
12:51 Calinou https://lut.im/bz0Nsl5PxQ/NZhQmvqU.jpg
12:51 Calinou if Quake 3 was made by RealBadAngel ^
12:51 Calinou hardware lights everywhere :^)
12:58 Krock lol
12:59 * Krock takes the free mint and licks it
12:59 VanessaE he's an emint, not a mint :P
13:00 Krock agh noes
13:01 * Krock wonders how dumb he is.. used this monitor all the time with a wrong resolution
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13:02 Krock Ah good old CRT monitors.. they didn't care about that stuff
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13:51 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, fellow MTs!
13:55 Krock hi there
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14:09 comradmax question about minetest_game, but really a more genereal one... Let's say i'd like to change give_initial_stuff, here is how i've done it: git clone minetest, then submodule add minetest_game under games/ (making changes to give_initial_stuff), then compile minetest, install minetest.  is there a way to make changes to minetest_game, and NOT have to rebuild the whole minetest like that?
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14:11 Krock Minetest core/engine does not depend on minetest_game
14:11 Krock so do your changes without rebuilding
14:12 comradmax but how will i get that into my system minetest?  just make a .minetest/games and git clone minetest_game inot that, make changes there, and dont build anything?
14:13 Krock bingo
14:16 * comradmax wonders why one follows github readme at all...
14:24 Fixer any news on #3166 ?
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14:39 * JohnnyComeL8ly is somewhat agreeing with comradmax....
14:45 JohnnyComeL8ly I decided that I would just do a local install (run-in-place is another way to put it).
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14:46 JohnnyComeL8ly That way I could use the same MT build for multiple distros on the same PC.
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14:58 ensonic_ hej, I wonder if there is a tools/setup for running minetest --server so that it would run the server and show a map of the world like minetestmapper creates (showing where the players are)
15:00 ElectronLibre As far as I know, there is no way to do that. You can try to use an instant mapper but you would have to run it in a browser.
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15:00 ElectronLibre And the instant mapper is apprently a pain to install. If you're motivated enough you should manage to do it though.
15:00 ensonic_ thats be cool too, will look for the instant mapper
15:01 ElectronLibre MTSatelite I think it's called.
15:01 ElectronLibre Something like that.
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15:06 ensonic_ ElectronLibre, thanks found it
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15:14 ensonic_ complicated indeed, I wonder if it would have been easier to do this as a invisible player instead
15:17 comradmax run a script to generate the map using minetestmapper
15:18 comradmax just pick how often you can refresh that
15:19 ElectronLibre That's basically what MTSatelite does. Then it displays it dynamically on a webpage.
15:19 ElectronLibre But running a mapper regulary can slow down the server it the map is too big.
15:19 comradmax yea
15:19 ElectronLibre And running the mapper over the same database file as the one used by the server is dangerous too.
15:20 comradmax is redis safer?
15:20 ElectronLibre I don't really know.
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15:21 ElectronLibre But I don't think two programs reading and/or writing over the same file is safe in any case.
15:21 JohnnyComeL8ly But isn't only one of them gonna do the writing?
15:22 comradmax that's what databases solve, they can do that all day
15:22 JohnnyComeL8ly (MT Server, that is...)
15:22 comradmax using mapper on the sqlite3 file did crash sometimes tho
15:23 JohnnyComeL8ly In either case, it wouldn't hurt to make backups of the world every hour.
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15:23 comradmax yea, i'm bziping the redis db every day
15:24 comradmax you only need like 5-10 backups, and then who cares
15:29 JohnnyComeL8ly How does one select the backend for the DB?
15:29 JohnnyComeL8ly I was going to use LevelDB.
15:30 Calinou comradmax, >2015 >bzip
15:30 comradmax you need to get or make a build that supports that DB, then use --migrate command with --server
15:31 comradmax Calinou, you only bziped once in all of 2015?
15:31 Calinou no, really
15:31 Calinou use gzip if you're poor, xz if you're rich
15:32 JohnnyComeL8ly I used this cmd for building it:  cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=TRUE -DENABLE_LUAJIT=TRUE -DLUA_INCLUDE_DIR=/home/jo​hn/.apps/LuaJIT-2.0.4/src/ -DLUA_LIBRARY=/home/john/.apps​/LuaJIT-2.0.4/src/libluajit.a -DENABLE_LEVELDB=TRUE -DLEVELDB_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/leveldb -DENABLE_GETTEXT=TRUE -DGETTEXT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/
15:32 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, I don't get it....
15:32 comradmax yea, i forgot about xz, is that the same as 7z?
15:32 Calinou yes, same compression algorithm, but less features (to comply with UNIX philosophy)
15:33 Calinou eg. you can't directly compress directories like you can with .zip
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15:33 comradmax that's ok
15:33 comradmax JohnnyComeL8ly, try to make it work without explicitly giving include for leveldb
15:34 JohnnyComeL8ly Ok.
15:34 Calinou why are you building all your libraries from source?
15:34 comradmax for redis the trick was make install redis, and then just use enable_redis alone
15:34 JohnnyComeL8ly Idk that I was building all my libs from source....
15:35 JohnnyComeL8ly I was only doing LuaJit and LevelDB.
15:35 comradmax JohnnyComeL8ly, how about apt-get install levelbd-dev or someting like that?  is that what you did?
15:35 JohnnyComeL8ly I think that's what I did.
15:35 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm gonna look in the bash history.
15:35 comradmax you should not have to tell it the include dir, just say enable_leveldb=true
15:35 Calinou both LuaJIT and LevelDB are present in Debian 8, Ubuntu 14.04, Fedora 22
15:36 JohnnyComeL8ly I installed libleveldb1 and libleveldb-dev
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15:37 JohnnyComeL8ly So, this is right? cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=TRUE -DENABLE_LUAJIT=TRUE -DENABLE_LEVELDB=TRUE
15:37 comradmax right, idk if you need the dot last tho
15:38 JohnnyComeL8ly What "dot"?
15:38 comradmax the one dot in that line
15:38 Calinou you don't, comradmax
15:38 comradmax k
15:38 JohnnyComeL8ly You mean the one after the cmake cmd, but before the options?
15:38 comradmax yes
15:39 JohnnyComeL8ly I was just following the instructions from the Readme... oh well, now I'm liberated!
15:40 JohnnyComeL8ly LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua
15:40 JohnnyComeL8ly That's one of the errors....
15:41 Xack \o
15:41 comradmax make sure that you the the -dev installed.  and also delete the whole minetest dir, git clone from scratch, and try again
15:42 comradmax doing make clean, and deleting build/ did not work for me
15:42 Xack or git clean -fdx
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15:43 JohnnyComeL8ly What if I already have the source... but I didn't get it from the repo's...?
15:43 Xack i thought cmake required the use of "." to specify where the initial CMakeLists.txt is
15:43 Xack or is this a new version
15:43 comradmax yea, delete that file too
15:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Delete, CMakeLists.txt?
15:44 comradmax the readme says to run cmake . from root dir, usually it's mkdir build, cd build, cmake ../
15:44 comradmax yes, delete that, then rerun the cmake command
15:45 comradmax or try what Xack just said with that git magic
15:45 JohnnyComeL8ly I did that.
15:45 comradmax what is that command supposed to do?
15:45 Xack Calinou: > first game of lichess > with anonymous > quits after 1 move
15:45 Xack :(
15:45 JohnnyComeL8ly Is it not advisable to use version 2.0.4 which I downloaded?
15:46 JohnnyComeL8ly Of LuaJit, I mean.
15:47 Xack so you downloaded a tarball of luajit?
15:47 JohnnyComeL8ly Yes, let me get the link.
15:47 Xack i advice you run `ldconfig -v` after insalling luajit, the minetest build system might not be able to find it
15:47 Xack *advise
15:48 Xack obviously if you've already isntalled it just run it now
15:48 JohnnyComeL8ly http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.4.tar.gz
15:48 JohnnyComeL8ly No, I didn't install it system wide... I just built with the path to it in the options.
15:49 JohnnyComeL8ly it=MT
15:49 Calinou Xack, want to play against me? :p
15:49 Xack Calinou: sorry i've got to go now
15:49 Xack walking dog
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15:51 JohnnyComeL8ly Is redis better than LevelDB?
15:53 freeemint_ JohnnyComeL8ly: There is no better only trade ofs.
15:54 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, well, what is better for a few siblings?
15:54 JohnnyComeL8ly On an x64....
15:55 Calinou sqlite.
15:55 Calinou don't bother with LevelDB or worse, Redis.
15:55 Calinou Redis is for your next startup, not for a game server. unless it is huge.
15:56 freeemint_ Redis is in ram.
15:57 freeemint_ I would prefer LevelDB as well
15:57 Calinou LevelDB feels slower for me, when used in singleplayer
15:58 Calinou your mileage may vary, but I think it's overrated
15:58 freeemint_ Good for batching thought.
15:58 JohnnyComeL8ly Ok.
15:58 freeemint_ *though
15:58 JohnnyComeL8ly So, no need to install leveldb and all that... thanks for the answer!
15:59 JohnnyComeL8ly lol
15:59 JohnnyComeL8ly thought.bat contains nothing!
15:59 Calinou my hunger games server is sqlite, has up to 19 players
15:59 JohnnyComeL8ly I'll have to try it out....
15:59 CWz i agree with Calinou
16:01 freeemint_ if one has his mysql on a ramdisk it should run very good.
16:02 JohnnyComeL8ly This is getting over my head... ;-)
16:02 H-H-H afaik minetest doesnt have a mysql db backend
16:03 JohnnyComeL8ly But, it wouldn't be such a bad idea... if you had a server that had SQL dbs for several "Worlds" then you could get a really fast (low latency connection) and smoke all the other servers.
16:04 Calinou there was a PostgreSQL back-end
16:04 JohnnyComeL8ly And, you would only have to pay for one line, which could be split up by different special interest groups.
16:05 JohnnyComeL8ly Or, one could use redis....
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16:12 JohnnyComeL8ly Idk... but I do know that I'm frustrated by the fact that companies boast of minor improvements to theirs network as if they just landed on the moon.
16:13 JohnnyComeL8ly And, in the case of VZW you have to pay for incoming connections not to be blocked.
16:13 JohnnyComeL8ly To me, that defeats a lot of what the internet if for!
16:13 JohnnyComeL8ly *is for
16:13 Calinou Us: the Internet
16:13 Calinou Them: the Int€rn£t©®™
16:14 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou: What?  Are you in Europe, or something?
16:15 JohnnyComeL8ly I really am lost as to which side you're speaking from.... :-P
16:16 JohnnyComeL8ly (The side that truly has greener pastures, or does not....)
16:18 Calinou Us = Internet users
16:18 Calinou Them = ISPs
16:20 Xack hah, Calinou
16:20 Xack i was looking at open source games
16:20 Xack the list on wikipedia at least
16:20 Xack found you, surprise surprise :P
16:20 Xack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armaget​ron_Advanced#/media/File:Armagetron2.png
16:21 JohnnyComeL8ly So, Calinou dev'd the game?
16:21 Calinou heh
16:21 Calinou no
16:22 Calinou I forgot I even uploaded an ArmagetronAD screenshot
16:23 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, is the game worth playing?
16:23 Calinou meh, it's dead
16:23 Calinou even QuakeWorld looks better, too :P
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16:24 JohnnyComeL8ly Idk if it is open source, but have you tried Smokin' Guns?
16:24 JohnnyComeL8ly I haven't gotten around to it.... XD
16:24 Calinou it is and it is not
16:24 Calinou I'm not sure if the game logic of Smokin' Guns is libre
16:24 Calinou moreover, it's pretty ugly
16:24 arsdragonfly !server arsdragonfly
16:24 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: No results
16:25 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, gfx wise?
16:25 Calinou yes
16:25 Calinou poor assets, OpenGL 1.x rendering
16:25 Calinou ioquake3 has an OpenGL 2.x renderer now
16:25 JohnnyComeL8ly I like AssaultCube... is that game offensive to your eyes?
16:25 Calinou https://lut.im/bz0Nsl5PxQ/NZhQmvqU.jpg
16:26 Calinou AssaultCube has non-free clause attached to license: https://github.com/assaultcube/A​C/blob/master/source/README.txt
16:26 Calinou "You MUST NOT connect to servers that are not yours with a modified client that contains changes
16:26 Calinou that were not made for platform-compatibility or to fix bugs. This would be cheating. Thank you
16:26 Calinou for supporting fair play gaming."
16:26 Calinou I should send them a pull request so that they remove it...
16:26 Calinou heck, that file was last modified 8 years ago
16:27 JohnnyComeL8ly So, is it wrong to have rules about swearing and such on a server?  I see it as the same type of thing.
16:27 Calinou rules are not license clauses
16:27 Calinou I don't want Minetest to get a license clause that would forbid cheating and swearing
16:27 Calinou it'd be just wrong
16:28 Calinou a license clause means you can be sued for it
16:28 JohnnyComeL8ly I understand, but I didn't know that was part of the license clause...
16:28 Calinou it's written in a way that it is part of the license
16:28 Calinou "must not"
16:29 Calinou also they have silly restrictions on maps that can be used on servers, and such
16:29 Calinou and are likely to ban your server if it runs modified source code
16:29 JohnnyComeL8ly Really...?
16:30 Calinou yep
16:30 arsdragonfly Calinou : I kinda like WorldOfTanks when it comes to cheating & such,
16:30 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, I'm an advocate of Libre, I just see that "The cheat protection described in README_CUBEENGINE.txt is not used in AssaultCube." doesn't cancel that ideal.
16:30 Calinou yeah, they don't use the "official binary" system Cube used
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16:30 Calinou you had to use proprietary software to play multiplayer back then :P
16:31 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm thinking that to make everybody more happy, they should use the phrase, "SHOULD NOT"
16:31 arsdragonfly cuz most of the things are put on the server, plus an aimbot doesn't help at all
16:31 arsdragonfly you're still pwned
16:32 arsdragonfly If someone could design a game that makes cheating virtually impossible, then that's the way to go
16:34 JohnnyComeL8ly Yeah, and open source that....
16:34 JohnnyComeL8ly You'd be a hero!
16:36 TheWild Calinou: the "You MUST NOT connect to servers..." is rather to keep a good manner, not an enforcement (how they could not am I cheating or not). But I agree, license is not a good place for this clause.
16:37 Calinou cheating tends to fade away from games these days
16:37 Calinou except board games like chess maybe
16:37 Calinou the right way to prevent cheating is optional server-side checks
16:37 Calinou (optional, in case you are low on CPU)
16:38 JohnnyComeL8ly The clause in question, was under "Cheat Protection", not "License".
16:38 JohnnyComeL8ly I agree, about the checks... definitely.
16:39 JohnnyComeL8ly You see, I'm not advocating a closed system... like some ppl I know, but I have had experiences with ppl who cheat: it isn't very fun.
16:40 JohnnyComeL8ly I just desided to switch servers... XD
16:40 JohnnyComeL8ly *decided
16:41 Calinou I haven't seen a cheater in games I play in months
16:41 Calinou and most of the time, it's just a speedhacker
16:42 JohnnyComeL8ly I don't like the silly restrictions on maps myself... I host a "lan party" for AC everyonce in a while, and I'm frustrated that you can't just load a map in whatever mode you want to... that is the way the game is setup, and I'm sure if I knew how to remedy that code malady, I would.... ;-P
16:42 JohnnyComeL8ly Speedhacker?
16:42 JohnnyComeL8ly You mean, someone really fast, in-game?
16:43 Calinou ues
16:43 Calinou yes*
16:43 JohnnyComeL8ly Ok.
16:43 freeemint_ Calinou can you give me infromation about implementing databases, the interface and so on.
16:43 Calinou I don't know at all
16:43 Calinou I've never worked with databases outside of phpMyAdmin :)
16:43 JohnnyComeL8ly C'y'all l8r
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17:00 TheWild about two weeks ago I learned something about a trick used in realtime 3D graphics in games (not sure whether is it named "environment map").
17:01 TheWild I was playing Cube 2 on a map "alithia", the reflections of the environment were seen on a floor but everything was working still very smoothly (more than 60 fps.)
17:01 TheWild Wow, how they made it? Everything looks beautiful and still does not hang my gfx.
17:01 TheWild But I started suspecting something as reflection looked the same whenever I was. One time I looked straight down and saw the hole in the ceiling on the reflection. Then I looked straight up and there was no hole. I realized I was living in a lie.
17:02 Calinou TheWild, reflections in Cube 2, apart of water, are fake
17:02 Calinou a cubemap (or several of them) is generated at map load, and is never changed
17:02 Calinou it's also quite low-resolution by default (128×128)
17:02 TheWild s/whenever/wherever
17:02 Calinou TheWild, consider using PBR for realistic reflections
17:02 Calinou here is an example that runs in your browser: http://blog.playcanvas.com/physical​ly-based-rendering-comes-to-webgl/
17:03 TheWild Calinou, though it is really impressive how they can trick your vision
17:04 Calinou I consider cubemap reflections to be pretty fake :P
17:04 Calinou they move with you
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17:05 Calinou lots of people on Xonotic: https://lut.im/OcfvvtH8P6/BwJpDjhP.jpg
17:15 Fixer Xonotic is Nexuiz, right?
17:15 RealBadAngel what i will do will be real reflection of the surroundings
17:15 RealBadAngel *side note
17:15 Calinou Fixer, no, it is a fork
17:16 Calinou Nexuiz (classic) is no longer maintained
17:16 Fixer RealBadAngel: hi, any news on your 3166 PR?
17:16 RealBadAngel #3166
17:16 Fixer Calinou: is it improved much since Nexuiz? I got Nexuiz with lots of maps, I like it
17:17 Calinou yes, lots of engine and game changes.
17:17 Fixer in better direction, I hope
17:17 Fixer can I use nexuiz maps with it?
17:18 Calinou Unicode support, global illumination for shadow mapping, warpzones...
17:18 Calinou yes
17:18 Calinou also Quake 1/2/3 maps
17:18 Fixer :S
17:18 Fixer :O
17:18 Calinou http://xonotic.org
17:18 Fixer will check it out
17:18 RealBadAngel Fixer, i will finish the code soon, was really AFK for quite a while
17:18 RealBadAngel problems with health
17:19 Fixer wish you a good health
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17:20 Calinou "sv_cheats 1; give health"
17:20 Calinou I have flu :(
17:20 Clanmaster any of the lord of the rings server hosted by oldcoder here
17:21 OldCoder
17:21 OldCoder Clanmaster, STHGOM is here and there
17:21 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix MinGW 32-bit build 20405ed http://git.io/vcK1a (2015-10-03T13:20:43-04:00)
17:21 Clanmaster why can't i join your servers
17:22 OldCoder Clanmaster, are you using mobile?
17:22 Clanmaster yes
17:22 OldCoder Mobile is flaky; most copies are stolen. So, we don't know what goes on with them. Help with a test. Can you join Wizard School?
17:23 OldCoder By stolen I mean the publishers not the players or you
17:23 Clanmaster i will try to join it
17:24 Clanmaster But most of your servers are not working on my minetest application
17:24 Clanmaster brb in 2 mins
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17:32 Clanmaster i tried few times oldcoder but it keeps on showing connection timed out but if i try to join a server that isn't yours it works perfectly
17:34 Clanmaster oldcoder what do you think i should do
17:37 OldCoder Clanmaster, Hi
17:38 OldCoder Clanmaster, let me go to Wizard School for a couple of minutes
17:38 OldCoder I will ask what people are using
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17:38 Clanmaster okay
17:41 CWz did mr OldCoder  get the pm i sent OldCoder
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17:42 OldCoder CWz, the link? yes t  y
17:47 OldCoder Lost Clanmaster
17:47 OldCoder I think mobile is broken suddenly
17:47 OldCoder New copies of MT may not owrk
17:47 OldCoder work
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17:57 Clanmaster hi
17:58 Clanmaster .sry lost connection
17:58 Clanmaster i just got back
17:59 Clanmaster are you still here oldcoder
17:59 OldCoder Clanmaster, yes
18:00 OldCoder I am researching
18:00 OldCoder minute
18:00 Clanmaster did you say anything in the last 10 mins
18:00 Clanmaster okay
18:02 Clanmaster when did you create all those servers and how can you work on them all
18:05 OldCoder Clanmaster, Hi
18:05 OldCoder Clanmaster, busy on this
18:05 OldCoder Will answer in 10 minutes
18:05 Clanmaster okay
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18:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou: I'm on your server... I don't know what to do.
18:07 JohnnyComeL8ly (Hunger Games)
18:08 JohnnyComeL8ly Do I have to have seen the movies?
18:09 OldCoder Clanmaster, Hi
18:09 Clanmaster hi
18:10 OldCoder Clanmaster, what is your device exactly?
18:10 Clanmaster Samsung note 3
18:10 ElectronLibre You don't need to have seen the movie to fight other players JohnnyComeL8ly.
18:10 RealBadAngel Calinou, my case was a bit worse, have problems with blood pressure, heart. have spent 2 weeks in hospital\
18:10 OldCoder Android. Are you using official MT app or Play Store?
18:11 Clanmaster i got the application from play store
18:11 OldCoder Calinou, your MoreBlocks convert ABM had a typo in one line. Turned Redcrab buildings into porcupines.
18:11 RealBadAngel so. im conditinally back here
18:11 OldCoder Clanmaster, burn it. Install official MT app. Can you do that?
18:11 RealBadAngel i may die or not
18:11 OldCoder Clanmaster, also do the following and PM me here
18:11 JohnnyComeL8ly Not sure how to do that, ElectronLibre... there is a maze of stone_brick... and it doesn't have an exit, so it seem.
18:11 RealBadAngel depends on blind fucl
18:11 JohnnyComeL8ly *seems
18:11 Clanmaster i will try but is it from Google
18:11 OldCoder No
18:11 OldCoder You cannot use Google copy of MT
18:11 Clanmaster where do i download it
18:12 OldCoder Wait
18:12 RealBadAngel OldCoder, hi btw
18:12 OldCoder Hi Maciek
18:12 OldCoder https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/​download/0.4.12/Minetest-0.4.12.11-android.apk
18:13 OldCoder Clanmaster, can you try that? And there is 1 more test that is likely to help
18:13 Clanmaster so i download it from here
18:13 OldCoder Clanmaster, that link
18:13 OldCoder Uninstall current copy 1st
18:13 Clanmaster okay i will try it nkw
18:13 OldCoder Wait
18:13 OldCoder There is one more test
18:13 Clanmaster now*
18:13 Clanmaster okay
18:13 OldCoder If that does not work... Install Freeminer and try Proller Worlds. Then PM me here in Freenode and report back.
18:13 OldCoder Can you do that?
18:14 OldCoder #1 try official APK (uninstall Google sh*t first) #2 try Freeminer
18:14 OldCoder I will be here off and on this weekend
18:14 OldCoder Short errand now
18:14 OldCoder Clanmaster, you can PM /query OldCoder here at Freenode or in irc.oldcoder.org
18:15 OldCoder All right?
18:15 Clanmaster okay
18:15 Clanmaster is the pm here like in the game
18:15 OldCoder Errand now. I'm here all day after except naps. Let me...
18:15 OldCoder No
18:15 OldCoder If you do not know IRC...
18:15 OldCoder Just talk to me here in this channel
18:15 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, type /vote
18:16 Clanmaster okay
18:16 Clanmaster so i will talk in here
18:16 OldCoder Clanmaster, try these 2 steps. Official APK and Freeminer. Then let us know. OK?
18:16 OldCoder Uninstall Google copy of program 1st.
18:16 JohnnyComeL8ly Thanks, Calinou.
18:16 * OldCoder is on errands
18:17 Clanmaster i uninstallad the copy
18:19 Clanmaster i am downloading the freeminer (beta)
18:23 Clanmaster hey oldcoder
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18:23 Clanmaster it is not working
18:24 OldCoder ChanServ, Hi
18:24 OldCoder Clanmaster, Hi
18:24 OldCoder Clanmaster, you tried both APK and Freeminer?
18:25 OldCoder Clanmaster, I can only talk ATM if people can focus
18:25 Clanmaster i tried freeminer (beta)
18:25 OldCoder Clanmaster, and?
18:25 OldCoder No server list?
18:26 OldCoder Or no connect?
18:26 Clanmaster i found 3 of your servers and they didn't work
18:26 OldCoder No
18:26 OldCoder Freeminer is for Freeminer worlds
18:26 OldCoder Did you connect to a Freeminer world?
18:26 Clanmaster it keeps on saying connection timed out
18:26 OldCoder Did you connect to a Freeminer world?
18:27 Clanmaster how do i do that
18:27 OldCoder You go to a world that is listed in the Freeminer server list
18:27 OldCoder Did you do that?
18:27 OldCoder Not the Minetest list but the Freeminer list
18:28 Clanmaster wait i will try
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18:33 OldCoder
18:34 Clanmaster i am finding the app freeminer (beta)  and it has few servers
18:34 OldCoder Right
18:34 OldCoder Just 3 or so
18:34 OldCoder Does it work or not?
18:34 OldCoder This is a test
18:35 Clanmaster 3 of yours in public only 4 in the normal servers
18:35 OldCoder Not *mine*
18:35 Clanmaster no it didn't work
18:35 OldCoder Clanmaster, I must go soon
18:35 OldCoder Did you locate Freeminer servers?
18:36 OldCoder Clanmaster, if you can't connect to either Freeminer OR MT there is a connection issue on your end
18:36 Clanmaster i found yours that is called minetest.org 30020
18:36 OldCoder that is NOT Freeminer!!
18:36 OldCoder Sorry for !!
18:36 OldCoder But please listen
18:36 OldCoder Do NOT connect to MT using Freeminer
18:36 Clanmaster okay
18:36 OldCoder Connect to the Freeminer servers
18:36 OldCoder Can you please try that right now?
18:37 Clanmaster okay
18:38 Clanmaster non are working
18:38 OldCoder Your end
18:38 OldCoder Do any other gaming apps work?
18:38 OldCoder Network gaming
18:38 Clanmaster the normal servers and the minetest ones
18:38 OldCoder What do you mean
18:39 OldCoder Normal servers?
18:39 OldCoder And again... you cannot use Freeminer to connect to Minetest
18:39 Clanmaster the servers that are not minetest
18:39 OldCoder Look, is there a Freeminer server list or not? In the app?
18:39 Clanmaster my other network games work like clash of clans and boom beach
18:39 OldCoder All right
18:39 OldCoder Clanmaster, Freeminer and MT use different network protocols
18:40 OldCoder They are not compatible unless Freeminer is built a different way
18:40 Clanmaster it doesn't say freeminer server list
18:40 OldCoder In Freeminer...
18:40 OldCoder is there a server list?
18:40 Clanmaster there are public server list and server lists
18:40 OldCoder I have no idea what you are seeing
18:41 OldCoder Is there a server list in the app named Freeminer?
18:41 Clanmaster i had an app that i was playing on earlier
18:41 Clanmaster but now it is gone from play store
18:41 OldCoder setun.net:30002
18:41 OldCoder Can you connect there using Freeminer?
18:41 OldCoder setun.net port 30002
18:42 Clanmaster okay
18:43 Clanmaster i joined it
18:45 Clanmaster whay do i do now
18:45 Clanmaster what*
18:46 OldCoder Clanmaster, it worked?
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18:49 Clanmaster_ it worked oldcoder
18:49 OldCoder Clanmaster_, and the MT APK did *not* work?
18:49 Clanmaster_ but i want your world
18:50 OldCoder Clanmaster_, I will host a Freeminer world
18:50 OldCoder The problem is...
18:50 Clanmaster_ i didn't try the MT APK
18:50 OldCoder Could you please do so now?
18:50 OldCoder And move it along a bit
18:50 TheWild how to get first element of array (possibly associative) without constructing a for k, v in ipairs(a), getting an element and breaking the loop?
18:50 TheWild s/ipairs/pairs
18:51 TheWild and without modifying the table
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18:52 Clanmaster_ i found android MT magazine APK
18:52 Clanmaster_ is this it
18:53 waressearcher2 I noticed there are so many mods, is there a mod that allows you write a mod in other languages rather than lua ?
18:53 Calinou waressearcher2, you could write your mod in MoonScript, a language that compiles to Lua.
18:53 Calinou but you are strongly discouraged to do that, as it makes it tedious to develop
18:55 OldCoder Clanmaster_, I linked you!
18:55 OldCoder Clanmaster_, wait
18:55 OldCoder https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/​download/0.4.12/Minetest-0.4.12.11-android.apk
18:55 OldCoder Clanmaster_, that link and no other. I linked you before.
18:55 OldCoder Clanmaster_, I must go on errands. Kindly try that APK now.
18:56 Clanmaster_ i am downloading it
18:56 OldCoder Nothing that you find Google. *That* one. The one that I linked above.
18:56 OldCoder find in Google *
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19:07 * OldCoder wonders how Clanmaster_ is doing
19:08 OldCoder http://minetest.org/images/151001_fix2b.jpg
19:08 OldCoder http://minetest.org/images/151001_fix2a.jpg
19:08 OldCoder Calinou, ^ MoreBlocks 1-line patch. Will provide patch at a later date.
19:08 OldCoder
19:08 OldCoder 2b is before and 2a is after
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19:10 Clanmaster it worked Oldcoder
19:10 Clanmaster Thank you alot
19:10 Clanmaster thx for all the help
19:12 waressearcher2 !next
19:12 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
19:14 OldCoder Ha
19:14 OldCoder Clanmaster, welcome, then!
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19:14 OldCoder You may like Lord of the Test, Moon Test, Wizard School, Skyblock, and you can now tour
19:14 OldCoder Redcrab! Now officially on my hardware
19:15 * OldCoder is definitely away for a bit as this has been an hour and he is behind
19:15 OldCoder o/
19:15 Fixer oh, btw, did you try replacing few slab coords I've provided?
19:15 Fixer hi
19:15 OldCoder Fixer, I emailed you
19:15 OldCoder You sent two regions
19:15 OldCoder Send a few more and let us schedule the change
19:15 Clanmaster i will try your other worlds
19:16 OldCoder It is fast as I wrote it in 'C' but will still take 30 minutes or so
19:16 OldCoder So let us combine several changes and I need you to check them. Sounds good?
19:16 OldCoder Clanmaster, you bet
19:16 Fixer i have few more of course
19:16 Clanmaster can you give me the skin of thorn the friend of Belbo Bagnez
19:16 OldCoder Fixer, email them
19:16 OldCoder Clanmaster, I hasten to comply
19:16 OldCoder Looking now
19:16 OldCoder allow a few minutes for skin response here
19:17 OldCoder What does Thorn look like?
19:17 OldCoder Thorin
19:17 swift110 hey all
19:17 OldCoder Not Thorn; right?
19:17 OldCoder swift110, hello
19:17 OldCoder Thorin
19:18 OldCoder Oh, yes, we got Thorin skins, on which Clanmaster to pins
19:18 OldCoder Thorin skins are here in buckets
19:18 Clanmaster so you have it
19:18 * OldCoder will have them shipped from Nantuckets
19:18 OldCoder Thorin here, Thorin there, Thorin everywhere
19:18 OldCoder Wait
19:18 Clanmaster lol
19:19 OldCoder Do you want Thorin the younger or the older King?
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19:19 OldCoder He seems to be a King in his old age
19:19 Clanmaster the younger
19:19 OldCoder Wait
19:19 Clanmaster he is not old you mean his father
19:19 OldCoder Could be
19:20 OldCoder I see a King Thorin type
19:20 Clanmaster in the whole 3 parts of the hobbit the time Belbo stayed with them was 13 months
19:20 OldCoder Anyway installing a younger Thorin. Beard. Dark bluish cloak. Sound right?
19:20 OldCoder Not cloak
19:21 swift110 hey OldCoder how are you
19:21 OldCoder LOTR-ish clothes
19:21 OldCoder swift110, busy
19:22 OldCoder Clanmaster, what is your name in-game ?
19:22 OldCoder Clanmaster, what is your name in-game ?
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19:23 * OldCoder installed the skin but needs to know which worlds to restart
19:23 OldCoder Also the player name
19:24 Fixer it is funny that most (all?) wrong slabs and panels are fixed by 1 left click with  a screwdriver
19:24 OldCoder OK
19:24 OldCoder Well, if Clanmaster returns, tell him I have the skin but need to know his player name
19:25 OldCoder And which worlds he wishes to visit first as I must restart them
19:25 * OldCoder is away this weekend except emergencies
19:26 Fixer those red crab citieas are amazing
19:27 Fixer cities*
19:27 Fixer immense
19:27 Fixer and nice
19:27 Fixer they are not doing it like that anymore
19:27 Fixer (c)
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19:31 OldCoder Fixer, we must encourage it. Have you seen Coffeecrafter Giant City?
19:31 OldCoder It's a large piece of a continent
19:31 Fixer not yet, let me at least fix smth, i'm looking and fixing as i go
19:31 OldCoder -4588.4, 23.5, 15160.5
19:31 OldCoder
19:32 OldCoder Fixer, this is a success. If you're right about some buildings vanishing on Old Redcrab...
19:32 OldCoder this is the official Redcrab now
19:33 OldCoder
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19:33 Clanmaster sry lost connection
19:33 OldCoder Clanmaster, Hi
19:33 OldCoder Clanmaster, Skin is in
19:33 Clanmaster irc was not working
19:33 OldCoder What is your in-game name and what worlds do you wish to visit 1st?
19:33 OldCoder I must restart them to fix skin
19:34 Clanmaster i play only in the lord of the rings one i am Clanmaster
19:34 OldCoder Wait
19:34 Clanmaster and my skin is whole purple
19:35 OldCoder See above
19:35 OldCoder You must read what I say
19:35 OldCoder <OldCoder> What is your in-game name and what worlds do you wish to visit 1st?
19:35 OldCoder <OldCoder> I must restart them to fix skin
19:35 OldCoder Skins do not work until I restart
19:35 OldCoder LOTT is now restarted
19:35 OldCoder Clanmaster, ^
19:35 Clanmaster i will try the wizard school in few mins
19:36 OldCoder I will not restart that one for a few hours
19:36 OldCoder Too many people on it ATM
19:36 OldCoder Go check skin on LOTT
19:36 Fixer OldCoder: some of the masterpieces on old RedCrab are griefed already, for example AspireMints helicopter and plane in sky place
19:36 OldCoder Fixer, do we have good copies on the new server?
19:37 Fixer i reconstructed them with AspireMint on new one
19:37 Fixer mostly
19:37 OldCoder If not, I may  have copies in an older capture
19:37 OldCoder All right
19:37 Fixer they were griefed long ago
19:37 Fixer probably
19:37 OldCoder Before Fall 2013?
19:37 Fixer so we fixed
19:37 Fixer could be
19:37 Clanmaster it worked
19:37 OldCoder I have backups from Fall 2013 and Fall 2014
19:37 Clanmaster thx
19:37 OldCoder Clanmaster, go build
19:37 OldCoder I will restart other servers later
19:38 OldCoder Fixer, so; the stuff is mostly safe
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19:38 OldCoder You can ping or email me but I will largely ignore non-emergencies for a few days
19:38 OldCoder Fixer, ^
19:38 Fixer ok
19:38 OldCoder Send me more regions to reset for slabs
19:38 bifur dir
19:38 Fixer i have few already
19:39 Fixer will send later
19:39 Clanmaster do you do hallowed or Christmas updates like in COC and other games
19:39 OldCoder Regarding the single-click to fix issue, there is a single direction vector wrong in code
19:39 Clanmaster Halloween *
19:39 OldCoder Clanmaster, I have holiday mods but not in LOTT
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19:39 OldCoder I use them in other worlds
19:39 Calinou bifur, on n'est pas sous Windows ici :)
19:40 OldCoder s/in code/in MoreBlocks code/
19:40 Clanmaster okay
19:40 Fixer i will check on suspect place on old redcrab that could be newer
19:40 * OldCoder has spent a lot of time on Redcrab, MoreBlocks, travelnets, and other issues. He is done for a while except emergencies.
19:41 * OldCoder trusts the results are worthwhile
19:41 OldCoder
19:42 Fixer they are
19:43 OldCoder
19:43 OldCoder :-)
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21:08 Krock Kinda funny when Windows notifies me that Minetest stopped working and I still can play in there
21:08 Krock Nuuh... why didn't I take a screenshot? :(
21:10 Out`Of`Control Krock:  lol, what if you were playing minecraft?
21:10 Krock I don't play Mindcrap
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21:13 Out`Of`Control is there a way to make font bigger outside "gui scale"
21:15 Calinou Out`Of`Control, font_size = 16
21:15 Calinou (or any other value, default is 12 I think)
21:15 Calinou mono_font_size = 16
21:15 Calinou for console font
21:15 Calinou and font_path / mono_font_path (absolute or relative path to font .ttf)
21:15 Calinou I use Source Sans Pro / Source Code Pro here
21:16 Out`Of`Control in config?
21:17 Calinou yes, in minetest.conf
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21:52 TheMiner why cant i find my off-line world in minetest ver.13 It saves but dont show in single player list world list?
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22:56 JohnnyComeL8ly Idk, TheMiner... maybe you should tell us what your worlds dir looks like.
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