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01:05 MinetestBot arsdragonfly1: Arsdragonfly's testing Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 284ms
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09:23 basil60 Hi I get the following error in the terminal when I start my remote server. Action[main]: irrlicht; could not open file of texture: character.png - is it easily fixable?
09:24 Krock sure - create a character.png image in textures\base\pack to have aa default texture
09:27 basil60 Ok...thanks
09:28 Krock np
09:30 basil60 The only other error I get is - ERROR[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! - Does that only refer to other languages?
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09:32 Krock basil60, are you playing on windows or linux?
09:33 Krock however, the locale directory is missing - this means you can't have a translated menu
09:35 basil60 server is on linux...client on windows
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09:38 Krock server doesn't care about translations, so it's an issue with your client. Extract the locale directory from the downloaded minetest archive into your minetest directory, where the bin and games directories are
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09:39 basil60 I'll give it a try..thanks
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09:49 basil60 thanks krock...both errors gone
09:49 Krock good :)
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10:26 ensonic morning, my kids play minetest with two computers, one recently got 0.4.13 (server), the other still runs 0.4.12 8client), we just noticed that the client does not get the extra blocks from the server (server has 30 pages in the inv, client only 10) - is that due to the different versions?
10:26 ensonic the mods are installed on both machines
10:29 Krock the server decides what the client displays
10:30 Krock so you must install the mods on the server, not on the clients
10:30 ensonic Krock, this worked before, I just synced them to the client to check if that was the issue
10:30 ensonic the mods are on the server and the  player on the server side has them
10:31 ensonic so there is probably some setting wheter they get sent to the client
10:31 * ensonic seraches more
10:31 Krock yes, see worlds\your world name\world.mt on your server
10:31 Krock there is a list of activated mods
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11:26 waressearcher2 I think its better to wait for monday
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12:09 waressearcher2 is it possible to use minetest client over squid proxy or other proxy ?
12:09 Calinou why?
12:10 Calinou work instead of play :)
12:10 Calinou (additionally, it might be possible to use a VPN)
12:12 waressearcher2 "work instead of play", what was that
12:12 waressearcher2 I don't have a job
12:18 Telesight Hello all, is it normal that, with the mod xban, a player can use xban_gui?
12:18 ensonic Krock, thanks, works, forgot that I had to activate the mods for each world
12:18 Calinou waressearcher2, usually you want to play over a proxy because you're at work :)
12:18 Krock lol okay
12:18 Telesight sorry it is xban2
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13:26 waressearcher2 Calinou: I didn't know that
13:30 waressearcher2 are there bushes in minetest ? and I don't mean that big grass, I mean actual "blocky" bushes like tree but smaller and without shaft in the middle, like those you can see around parks, or there are entire labirinths made out of bushes
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13:48 waressearcher2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TdeGIOOts don't you think that kind of water would be better in minetest ? I mean minetest doesn't need to be fully minecraft-like to become popular, why not to introduce some differences
13:53 waressearcher2 its better to wait till monday
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13:58 xfceKris What is legacy_facedir_simple= ??
13:59 xfceKris It's set to true where I see it, but what does it do?
14:00 xfceKris Any time I see the word legacy, I'm thinking backwards compatibility... is this correct?
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14:01 Calinou it's for maps before January 2012
14:02 Calinou yes, it is correct
14:02 swift110-phone I like the idea of minetest being unique
14:02 Calinou you really don't need legayc_facedir_simple for your nodes
14:02 Calinou swift110-phone, the developers, not :P
14:02 swift110-phone It can be similar
14:02 swift110-phone But i want it to be special
14:02 swift110-phone There that says it better
14:03 xfceKris Calinou, I just saw that right before I read what you wrote...thanks though.
14:03 CWz wow the freeminer server are filled to the brim with guest(number) players
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14:07 CWz not a big fan of the waste land look
14:07 CWz though
14:07 CWz also the 2nd server on the list has a spawn trap
14:08 CWz Krock confused me
14:08 Krock ah no?
14:08 * CWz hurts himself in confusion
14:10 CWz probably bots most of them
14:11 CWz either that or freeminer is big for tablet users or russia
14:11 xfceKris Every time I add drawtype = "mesh" the entire thing disappears The node is still there, but it's invisible..and casts a shadow.
14:12 xfceKris Do I have to define the paramaters of the mesh somewhere else?
14:12 xfceKris I can't find any documentation on this
14:12 Calinou yes, you need a mesh model
14:12 Calinou .x/.b3d/.obj/.md2
14:13 xfceKris aha, okay. so I should write, say.. double_chest.obj file with the mesh definitions
14:13 xfceKris Why can't that be in laymens terms on any of the four different resources I'm using to help me build this?lmao
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14:15 xfceKris And of course drop the .obj file in a models folder
14:15 xfceKris i.e. the way homedecor does it.
14:16 diemartin Mornings
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14:19 Out`Of`Control how do you limit map on 4.13?
14:20 CWz map_generation_limit = 31000
14:21 Out`Of`Control CWz:  will it block players too?
14:27 Krock Out`Of`Control, the setting is "map_generation_limit", where's the world "player" inside?
14:27 Krock *word
14:30 Out`Of`Control Krock:  thats why i ask. do i need a special mod for that?
14:30 Krock Out`Of`Control, no_guests, name_restrictions, xban2
14:30 Out`Of`Control i ment something differend
14:31 Out`Of`Control limit map size. on Y X Z. So players can't get outside
14:32 Krock that's what it does.
14:32 Krock alternatively, there's a world border mod to teleport players from one edge to another
14:32 Krock !mod worldedge
14:32 MinetestBot Krock: worldedge by Don - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10753
14:33 Out`Of`Control Krock: thanks
14:33 Krock np
14:42 rubenwardy <waressearcher2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TdeGIOOts don't you think that kind of water would be better in minetest ? I mean minetest doesn't need to be fully minecraft-like to become popular, why not to introduce some differences
14:42 rubenwardy that's finite liquid
14:42 rubenwardy and was in Minetest for a while
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14:42 rubenwardy for the implementation was slow
14:42 rubenwardy at that point
14:42 rubenwardy see Freeminer
14:52 TheWild I was messing with the UDP protocol (not specifically Minetest) and was curious how a game server would distinguish different peers when they're sharing the same IP addresses.
14:52 TheWild So we have UDP header which contains source port and destination port. (source port varies, but destination port must be whatever server uses).
14:52 TheWild Further, we have Minetest server which gives to a connected peer an unique 16-bit number to hold and use as identifier.
14:52 TheWild But say, Alice and Mallory are both living at the same home and sharing the same IP address.
14:52 TheWild was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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14:53 TheWild Alice is a legitimate Minetest player, but Mallory has its client modified, so he can set anoy source port as well as peer ID.
14:53 TheWild What then? Am I missing something obvious?
14:53 TheWild s/anoy/any
14:54 waressearcher2 TheWild: flooder
14:55 waressearcher2 TheWild: that is the disadvantage of UDP you can fiddle with it pretending you are another person, TCP has "sequence numbers" that allows server to know whether you are legit or not
14:55 nrzkt TheWild, exact
14:56 waressearcher2 in mid 90s there was a popular attack on windows 95 because it was easy to guess TCP sequence numbers, and anyone could spoof connections
14:57 waressearcher2 I once aked how those 3d models of objects are made, those you have in your hand, and it looks like then engine just takes sprite picture and makes it into a 3d model, one pixel depth model, does anyone knows if the same technique used here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxRAckR7RvY ? or there is something more complicated ?
15:16 sfan5 TheWild: nope, you're not missing anything obvious
15:22 TheWild sfan5, thanks, good to know. The TCP case was quite obvious as it has "connection begin", "connection ends" and sequence numbers, so far we know who is who. But with UDP I just started scratching my head.
15:25 waressearcher2 does anyone know what "multicraft 2" is ?
15:26 sfan5 waressearcher2: some minecraft rip-off for android that uses the minetest client
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15:28 waressearcher2 sfan5: so its android-only
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15:31 Calinou yes
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15:49 waressearcher2 weird
15:49 waressearcher2 Calinou: I have source code freeminer-0.4.10.4 that I can compile and run on linux
15:50 waressearcher2 wait, you were talking about multicraft not freeminer
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16:00 rubenwardy <waressearcher2> does anyone know what "multicraft 2" is ?
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16:18 xfceKris i.e. the way homedecor does it.p'
16:18 xfceKris [] kl
16:26 xfceKris oops..daughter got to the keyboard
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16:28 xfceKris since I'm here though, would it be possible to just borrow the default:chest formspec and modify it for my purposes?
16:28 xfceKris I'm talking about the licensing and such.
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16:37 Calinou_ xfceKris, yes, you can
16:38 xfceKris sweet, thanks
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17:13 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.com/
17:13 rubenwardy new website <£
17:13 rubenwardy * <3
17:13 rubenwardy as in, redesigned
17:20 rubenwardy any comments?
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17:27 Krock rubenwardy, The background needs some tuning
17:27 Krock but the round style is nice
17:27 rubenwardy do you mean the menu background? It is a bit off
17:28 rubenwardy also, new NBE logo
17:29 Krock I mean, it's just grey background. It needs needs content
17:29 Krock The nodebox link leads nowhere ^^
17:32 rubenwardy the site's gone weird
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17:43 Calinou lol, you copy-pasted HTML stuff like comments
17:44 rubenwardy huh?
17:44 rubenwardy yeah, the moderniser
17:44 rubenwardy wait, is that only for bootstrap?
17:44 Calinou no, it's useful everywhere
17:44 Calinou but do you really need IE 8 support?
17:44 Calinou I don't :)
17:45 rubenwardy It's not really my target audience, I guess
17:48 Calinou https://lut.im/j0gxLZ5rYs/LVCzZien.png
17:48 Calinou I am better than my teammate!!
17:48 Calinou that's all I have to say
17:48 Calinou but I die 50% more often :p
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17:55 MinetestBot Megaf_: Sorry, I haven't seen amicadi around.
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18:37 waressearcher2 do you think it allright to allow placing block on grass, I mean shouldn't grass be removed first ?
18:37 waressearcher2 and it doesn't even destroy grass its just grass sits inside the block now
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18:39 Calinou it does destroy grass
18:39 Calinou it's "buildable to"
18:40 waressearcher2 by the way its usually not much going on in that channel on weekends ?
18:41 waressearcher2 and by "grass" I meant to say "shrubbery" of course
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19:14 Telesight Hello all, is it normal that, with the mod xban2, a player can use xban_gui?
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19:21 waressearcher2 Telesight: its a weekend, most are away
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19:24 Telesight waressearcher2; Weekend is meant for Minetest ...
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19:39 waressearcher2 Telesight: some people have girlfriends you know
19:40 rubenwardy or boyfriends
19:40 waressearcher2 are you
19:40 waressearcher2 you mean others right ?
19:40 Telesight I have many MT friends ;-)
19:43 rubenwardy not all Minetest players are male and straight
19:44 Telesight Or have a wife ...
19:44 rubenwardy "girlfriends"
19:45 xfceKris I have a wife, and three kids, and I still manage my minetest habit just fine
19:45 ElectronLibre They all have a thing in common, a working computer.
19:45 xfceKris and possibly internet connection
19:46 waressearcher2 xfceKris: you don't know lua but trying to write a mod ?
19:46 ElectronLibre That is also important indeed. Anything else is technically superfulous minetest-wise.
19:46 Calinou "Men cannot live on bread alone. They also need high-speed Internet."
19:46 xfceKris that is correct waressearcher2
19:47 xfceKris multifaceted learning experience.
19:47 Telesight waressearcher2: I thought "they" were all with their girlfriends, and now they suddenly awake?
19:48 ElectronLibre Telesight: As rubenwardy said, "not all Minetest players are male and straight".
19:48 xfceKris waressearcher2: why the curiosity?
19:48 Telesight YEs that means thst you all must be girls or something else ...
19:49 * xfceKris looks in pants
19:49 waressearcher2 xfceKris: its tiresome to learn language and at the same time programming serious stuff from the begining
19:49 xfceKris nope, definitely a guy
19:49 ElectronLibre That means there is no generality to be made.
19:50 xfceKris waressearcher2: It's the way I learn. Diving headlong into stuff that's way over my head
19:50 Telesight No the reason was that nobody could answer my question because they are busy ...;-)
19:51 rubenwardy !mod xban_gui
19:51 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Could not find anything.
19:51 rubenwardy !mod xban gui
19:51 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Extended Ban v2 [xban2] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9315
19:51 xfceKris Telesight, the best way to get an answer here is to ping someone who you think might know. I can't speak for everyone, but it appears that most of us log in here and just let it run in the background until something comes up.
19:52 rubenwardy no no no
19:52 xfceKris Or, you could do like rubenwardy did and try talking to the bot.
19:52 rubenwardy Ping the mod developer or a contributor
19:52 rubenwardy don't ping random people
19:52 xfceKris that too ^^^
19:53 xfceKris unless it's a general question.
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19:53 Telesight ok ok, I will target my questions ...
19:53 rubenwardy don't ping random people, full stop, it's rude
19:54 xfceKris What I think sucks is when people use different SN's. They are one name on a mod release, but another here in irc. Makes it impossible to find someone.
19:54 xfceKris I haven't seen it here yet, but it happened a lot back in my days as a dev for the lg Ally.
19:54 rubenwardy !g SN
19:54 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SN
19:54 ElectronLibre xfceKris: Our nicknames are not always available here.
19:55 xfceKris I understand this.
19:55 ElectronLibre I have three different nicknames on MT's forum, here, and on GitHub, because my usual one was used everywhere outside of MT's forum.
19:55 ElectronLibre It's not always people's fault.
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19:56 freelikegnu sometimes giraffes are involved
19:57 micechal where can I get linux server binaries for 0.4.13 for debian?
19:57 micechal the version in debian repository is 0.4.10
19:57 freelikegnu you can build it with a one-liner
19:57 ElectronLibre micechal: Compiling minetestserver is the best way to get it.
19:57 micechal no precompiled binaries?
19:57 freelikegnu https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=3837
19:58 micechal I see
19:58 freelikegnu it's not hard if you have already used apt-get
19:58 micechal the point is I don't even have build tools on that vps
19:58 freelikegnu hmm
19:58 micechal and don't really want to bloat it up
19:59 freelikegnu you can compile in a vm on your local machine
20:00 micechal why vm?
20:00 freelikegnu you will have to apt-get your dependencies on the vps
20:01 freelikegnu if you dont already have the same environment on your vps, you may want to create a vm
20:01 freelikegnu I dont know a whole lot about that, I just build on my vps
20:02 micechal okay, thanks
20:02 micechal I'll build and run it on my second vps
20:02 micechal where I don't care about bloating it up
20:03 freelikegnu i think you dont need irrlicht if you are only running headless
20:03 freelikegnu prolly dont even need mese or open al either
20:03 freelikegnu mesa
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20:04 micechal yeah
20:04 micechal the script you linked to assumes non-headless
20:04 freelikegnu yeah
20:04 micechal ie. it says "double click"
20:04 micechal hehe
20:04 freelikegnu there should be a headless build oneliner
20:05 micechal what I usually do though when building software is to download the dependencies as they are needed
20:05 micechal until the build passes without errors
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20:33 waressearcher2 xfceKris: "It's the way I learn. Diving headlong into stuff that's way over my head", is thats the reason why you have 3 kids ?
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20:38 xfceKris waressearcher2: most likely
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20:39 xfceKris I keep getting an error when loading the world to test my mod. "attempt to concatenate a nill value" and it's showing the error at line 82...
20:40 xfceKris the thing is, line 82 is just closing brackets...well })  <<those
20:43 Teckla Possible to turn clouds off?
20:44 waressearcher2 what do you think of idea of multilayered clouds when some clouds above or below other clouds ? or clouds that have volume innstead of just one layer ?
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20:46 xfceKris waressearcher2, I definitely think the clouds should be more realistic
20:49 waressearcher2 with a texture ?
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20:55 * DI3HARD139 is done messing with HexChat and goes back to building a Squid Proxy Server
20:56 xfceKris idk how it would be done, but it should definitely be more than just a single layer of clouds.
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21:05 waressearcher2 DI3HARD139: you sound like you are doing a feat
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21:17 JadenGamerDog ...WHY ARE THERE SO MANY USERNAMES
21:20 DI3HARD139 ~tell JadenGamerDog wrong host :P
21:20 ShadowBot DI3HARD139: O.K.
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21:23 basil60 hi my minetest server (sandpit) has been up for only a few days. This morning, the stuff in my Inv was gone. That's not important, but I'm guessing some people would freak out over that. What might have gone wrong? There is only 1 other person testing on the server with me.
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21:24 DI3HARD139 basil60: Are you using the default inventory?
21:24 DI3HARD139 Or Unified Inventory
21:25 basil60 no....but i think i should be (I'll ask about that). Just crap I'd mined.
21:26 DI3HARD139 probably a profile corruption. I get it from time to time
21:26 basil60 so..nothing I can do...would it be in any log?
21:27 DI3HARD139 check the debug.txt for a "Cleared Inventory of....." or similar message
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21:27 basil60 on your other question...how do I provide eveyone with a default inventory - liek mesecon stuff?
21:28 * DI3HARD139 checks his settings for that
21:30 DI3HARD139 I dont remember TBH. I saw it in the moontest subgame but I removed it from the init.lua a few months agi
21:30 DI3HARD139 ago
21:30 DI3HARD139 weeks*
21:31 basil60 no worries..I'll google it. Thanks for your help
21:32 * DI3HARD139 is redownloading the subgame to check
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21:37 DI3HARD139 basil60: It used this mod https://github.com/minetest/minetest_ga​me/tree/master/mods/give_initial_stuff
21:41 basil60 thanks DI3HARD 139
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21:44 cisoun Hey, long time no see.
21:45 cisoun Say, how the fire works now ? I'm trying to put some leaves near lava and it doesn't burn. Is that normal ?
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21:53 waressearcher2 from that sentence "Hard work pays off in the future, laziness pays off now", does that part "laziness pays off now" means good or bad thing ?
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21:57 Hisforever has anybody used the train mod?
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22:34 H-H-H train mod :| ?
22:38 jojoa1997 what train mod?
22:39 DI3HARD139 If its what I think it is then I need it lol
22:40 DI3HARD139 already have 106 mods tho
22:48 waressearcher2 I need a train mod to make a trainwreck
22:48 waressearcher2 or there is a "trainwreck" mod ?
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23:09 paramat cisoun ignition from a distance is disabled now, ignition is neighbour nodes only (radius 1)
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