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!server arsdragonfly |
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arsdragonfly1: Arsdragonfly's testing Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 284ms |
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basil60 |
Hi I get the following error in the terminal when I start my remote server. Action[main]: irrlicht; could not open file of texture: character.png - is it easily fixable? |
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Krock |
sure - create a character.png image in textures\base\pack to have aa default texture |
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basil60 |
Ok...thanks |
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Krock |
np |
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basil60 |
The only other error I get is - ERROR[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! - Does that only refer to other languages? |
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Krock |
basil60, are you playing on windows or linux? |
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Krock |
however, the locale directory is missing - this means you can't have a translated menu |
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basil60 |
server is on linux...client on windows |
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Krock |
server doesn't care about translations, so it's an issue with your client. Extract the locale directory from the downloaded minetest archive into your minetest directory, where the bin and games directories are |
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basil60 |
I'll give it a try..thanks |
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basil60 |
thanks krock...both errors gone |
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Krock |
good :) |
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ensonic |
morning, my kids play minetest with two computers, one recently got 0.4.13 (server), the other still runs 0.4.12 8client), we just noticed that the client does not get the extra blocks from the server (server has 30 pages in the inv, client only 10) - is that due to the different versions? |
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ensonic |
the mods are installed on both machines |
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Krock |
the server decides what the client displays |
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Krock |
so you must install the mods on the server, not on the clients |
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ensonic |
Krock, this worked before, I just synced them to the client to check if that was the issue |
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ensonic |
the mods are on the server and the player on the server side has them |
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ensonic |
so there is probably some setting wheter they get sent to the client |
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* ensonic |
seraches more |
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Krock |
yes, see worlds\your world name\world.mt on your server |
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Krock |
there is a list of activated mods |
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waressearcher2 |
I think its better to wait for monday |
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waressearcher2 |
is it possible to use minetest client over squid proxy or other proxy ? |
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Calinou |
why? |
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Calinou |
work instead of play :) |
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Calinou |
(additionally, it might be possible to use a VPN) |
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waressearcher2 |
"work instead of play", what was that |
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waressearcher2 |
I don't have a job |
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Telesight |
Hello all, is it normal that, with the mod xban, a player can use xban_gui? |
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ensonic |
Krock, thanks, works, forgot that I had to activate the mods for each world |
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Calinou |
waressearcher2, usually you want to play over a proxy because you're at work :) |
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Krock |
lol okay |
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Telesight |
sorry it is xban2 |
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waressearcher2 |
Calinou: I didn't know that |
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waressearcher2 |
are there bushes in minetest ? and I don't mean that big grass, I mean actual "blocky" bushes like tree but smaller and without shaft in the middle, like those you can see around parks, or there are entire labirinths made out of bushes |
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waressearcher2 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TdeGIOOts don't you think that kind of water would be better in minetest ? I mean minetest doesn't need to be fully minecraft-like to become popular, why not to introduce some differences |
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waressearcher2 |
its better to wait till monday |
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xfceKris |
What is legacy_facedir_simple= ?? |
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xfceKris |
It's set to true where I see it, but what does it do? |
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xfceKris |
Any time I see the word legacy, I'm thinking backwards compatibility... is this correct? |
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Calinou |
it's for maps before January 2012 |
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Calinou |
yes, it is correct |
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swift110-phone |
I like the idea of minetest being unique |
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Calinou |
you really don't need legayc_facedir_simple for your nodes |
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Calinou |
swift110-phone, the developers, not :P |
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swift110-phone |
It can be similar |
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swift110-phone |
But i want it to be special |
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swift110-phone |
There that says it better |
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xfceKris |
Calinou, I just saw that right before I read what you wrote...thanks though. |
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CWz |
wow the freeminer server are filled to the brim with guest(number) players |
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CWz |
not a big fan of the waste land look |
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CWz |
though |
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CWz |
also the 2nd server on the list has a spawn trap |
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CWz |
Krock confused me |
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Krock |
ah no? |
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* CWz |
hurts himself in confusion |
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CWz |
probably bots most of them |
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CWz |
either that or freeminer is big for tablet users or russia |
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xfceKris |
Every time I add drawtype = "mesh" the entire thing disappears The node is still there, but it's invisible..and casts a shadow. |
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xfceKris |
Do I have to define the paramaters of the mesh somewhere else? |
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xfceKris |
I can't find any documentation on this |
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Calinou |
yes, you need a mesh model |
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Calinou |
.x/.b3d/.obj/.md2 |
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xfceKris |
aha, okay. so I should write, say.. double_chest.obj file with the mesh definitions |
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xfceKris |
Why can't that be in laymens terms on any of the four different resources I'm using to help me build this?lmao |
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xfceKris |
And of course drop the .obj file in a models folder |
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xfceKris |
i.e. the way homedecor does it. |
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diemartin |
Mornings |
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CWz |
2 kaezas |
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blaaaaargh |
... |
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CWz |
now there 3 |
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Out`Of`Control |
how do you limit map on 4.13? |
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CWz |
map_generation_limit = 31000 |
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Out`Of`Control |
CWz: will it block players too? |
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Krock |
Out`Of`Control, the setting is "map_generation_limit", where's the world "player" inside? |
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Krock |
*word |
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Out`Of`Control |
Krock: thats why i ask. do i need a special mod for that? |
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Krock |
Out`Of`Control, no_guests, name_restrictions, xban2 |
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Out`Of`Control |
i ment something differend |
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Out`Of`Control |
limit map size. on Y X Z. So players can't get outside |
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Krock |
that's what it does. |
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Krock |
alternatively, there's a world border mod to teleport players from one edge to another |
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Krock |
!mod worldedge |
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MinetestBot |
Krock: worldedge by Don - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10753 |
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Out`Of`Control |
Krock: thanks |
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Krock |
np |
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rubenwardy |
<waressearcher2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TdeGIOOts don't you think that kind of water would be better in minetest ? I mean minetest doesn't need to be fully minecraft-like to become popular, why not to introduce some differences |
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rubenwardy |
that's finite liquid |
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rubenwardy |
and was in Minetest for a while |
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rubenwardy |
for the implementation was slow |
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rubenwardy |
at that point |
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rubenwardy |
see Freeminer |
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TheWild |
I was messing with the UDP protocol (not specifically Minetest) and was curious how a game server would distinguish different peers when they're sharing the same IP addresses. |
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TheWild |
So we have UDP header which contains source port and destination port. (source port varies, but destination port must be whatever server uses). |
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TheWild |
Further, we have Minetest server which gives to a connected peer an unique 16-bit number to hold and use as identifier. |
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TheWild |
But say, Alice and Mallory are both living at the same home and sharing the same IP address. |
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TheWild |
Alice is a legitimate Minetest player, but Mallory has its client modified, so he can set anoy source port as well as peer ID. |
| 14:53 |
TheWild |
What then? Am I missing something obvious? |
| 14:53 |
TheWild |
s/anoy/any |
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waressearcher2 |
TheWild: flooder |
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waressearcher2 |
TheWild: that is the disadvantage of UDP you can fiddle with it pretending you are another person, TCP has "sequence numbers" that allows server to know whether you are legit or not |
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nrzkt |
TheWild, exact |
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waressearcher2 |
in mid 90s there was a popular attack on windows 95 because it was easy to guess TCP sequence numbers, and anyone could spoof connections |
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waressearcher2 |
I once aked how those 3d models of objects are made, those you have in your hand, and it looks like then engine just takes sprite picture and makes it into a 3d model, one pixel depth model, does anyone knows if the same technique used here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxRAckR7RvY ? or there is something more complicated ? |
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sfan5 |
TheWild: nope, you're not missing anything obvious |
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TheWild |
sfan5, thanks, good to know. The TCP case was quite obvious as it has "connection begin", "connection ends" and sequence numbers, so far we know who is who. But with UDP I just started scratching my head. |
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waressearcher2 |
does anyone know what "multicraft 2" is ? |
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sfan5 |
waressearcher2: some minecraft rip-off for android that uses the minetest client |
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sfan5: so its android-only |
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Calinou |
yes |
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waressearcher2 |
weird |
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waressearcher2 |
Calinou: I have source code freeminer-0.4.10.4 that I can compile and run on linux |
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waressearcher2 |
wait, you were talking about multicraft not freeminer |
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rubenwardy |
<waressearcher2> does anyone know what "multicraft 2" is ? |
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xfceKris |
i.e. the way homedecor does it.p' |
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xfceKris |
[] kl |
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xfceKris |
oops..daughter got to the keyboard |
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xfceKris |
since I'm here though, would it be possible to just borrow the default:chest formspec and modify it for my purposes? |
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xfceKris |
I'm talking about the licensing and such. |
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Calinou_ |
xfceKris, yes, you can |
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xfceKris |
sweet, thanks |
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rubenwardy |
http://rubenwardy.com/ |
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rubenwardy |
new website <£ |
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rubenwardy |
* <3 |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
as in, redesigned |
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rubenwardy |
any comments? |
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Krock |
rubenwardy, The background needs some tuning |
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Krock |
but the round style is nice |
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rubenwardy |
do you mean the menu background? It is a bit off |
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rubenwardy |
also, new NBE logo |
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Krock |
I mean, it's just grey background. It needs needs content |
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Krock |
The nodebox link leads nowhere ^^ |
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rubenwardy |
the site's gone weird |
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Calinou |
lol, you copy-pasted HTML stuff like comments |
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rubenwardy |
huh? |
| 17:44 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, the moderniser |
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rubenwardy |
wait, is that only for bootstrap? |
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Calinou |
no, it's useful everywhere |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
but do you really need IE 8 support? |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
I don't :) |
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rubenwardy |
It's not really my target audience, I guess |
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Calinou |
https://lut.im/j0gxLZ5rYs/LVCzZien.png |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
I am better than my teammate!! |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
that's all I have to say |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
but I die 50% more often :p |
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Megaf_ |
!seen amicadi |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf_: Sorry, I haven't seen amicadi around. |
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waressearcher2 |
do you think it allright to allow placing block on grass, I mean shouldn't grass be removed first ? |
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waressearcher2 |
and it doesn't even destroy grass its just grass sits inside the block now |
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Calinou |
it does destroy grass |
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Calinou |
it's "buildable to" |
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waressearcher2 |
by the way its usually not much going on in that channel on weekends ? |
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waressearcher2 |
and by "grass" I meant to say "shrubbery" of course |
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Telesight |
Hello all, is it normal that, with the mod xban2, a player can use xban_gui? |
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waressearcher2 |
Telesight: its a weekend, most are away |
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Telesight |
waressearcher2; Weekend is meant for Minetest ... |
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waressearcher2 |
Telesight: some people have girlfriends you know |
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rubenwardy |
or boyfriends |
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waressearcher2 |
are you |
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waressearcher2 |
you mean others right ? |
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Telesight |
I have many MT friends ;-) |
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rubenwardy |
not all Minetest players are male and straight |
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Telesight |
Or have a wife ... |
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rubenwardy |
"girlfriends" |
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xfceKris |
I have a wife, and three kids, and I still manage my minetest habit just fine |
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ElectronLibre |
They all have a thing in common, a working computer. |
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xfceKris |
and possibly internet connection |
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waressearcher2 |
xfceKris: you don't know lua but trying to write a mod ? |
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ElectronLibre |
That is also important indeed. Anything else is technically superfulous minetest-wise. |
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Calinou |
"Men cannot live on bread alone. They also need high-speed Internet." |
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xfceKris |
that is correct waressearcher2 |
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xfceKris |
multifaceted learning experience. |
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Telesight |
waressearcher2: I thought "they" were all with their girlfriends, and now they suddenly awake? |
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ElectronLibre |
Telesight: As rubenwardy said, "not all Minetest players are male and straight". |
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xfceKris |
waressearcher2: why the curiosity? |
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Telesight |
YEs that means thst you all must be girls or something else ... |
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* xfceKris |
looks in pants |
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waressearcher2 |
xfceKris: its tiresome to learn language and at the same time programming serious stuff from the begining |
| 19:49 |
xfceKris |
nope, definitely a guy |
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ElectronLibre |
That means there is no generality to be made. |
| 19:50 |
xfceKris |
waressearcher2: It's the way I learn. Diving headlong into stuff that's way over my head |
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Telesight |
No the reason was that nobody could answer my question because they are busy ...;-) |
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rubenwardy |
!mod xban_gui |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Could not find anything. |
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rubenwardy |
!mod xban gui |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Extended Ban v2 [xban2] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9315 |
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xfceKris |
Telesight, the best way to get an answer here is to ping someone who you think might know. I can't speak for everyone, but it appears that most of us log in here and just let it run in the background until something comes up. |
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rubenwardy |
no no no |
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xfceKris |
Or, you could do like rubenwardy did and try talking to the bot. |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
Ping the mod developer or a contributor |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
don't ping random people |
| 19:52 |
xfceKris |
that too ^^^ |
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xfceKris |
unless it's a general question. |
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Telesight |
ok ok, I will target my questions ... |
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rubenwardy |
don't ping random people, full stop, it's rude |
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xfceKris |
What I think sucks is when people use different SN's. They are one name on a mod release, but another here in irc. Makes it impossible to find someone. |
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xfceKris |
I haven't seen it here yet, but it happened a lot back in my days as a dev for the lg Ally. |
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rubenwardy |
!g SN |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SN |
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ElectronLibre |
xfceKris: Our nicknames are not always available here. |
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xfceKris |
I understand this. |
| 19:55 |
ElectronLibre |
I have three different nicknames on MT's forum, here, and on GitHub, because my usual one was used everywhere outside of MT's forum. |
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ElectronLibre |
It's not always people's fault. |
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freelikegnu |
sometimes giraffes are involved |
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micechal |
where can I get linux server binaries for 0.4.13 for debian? |
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micechal |
the version in debian repository is 0.4.10 |
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freelikegnu |
you can build it with a one-liner |
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ElectronLibre |
micechal: Compiling minetestserver is the best way to get it. |
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micechal |
no precompiled binaries? |
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freelikegnu |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837 |
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micechal |
I see |
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freelikegnu |
it's not hard if you have already used apt-get |
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micechal |
the point is I don't even have build tools on that vps |
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freelikegnu |
hmm |
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micechal |
and don't really want to bloat it up |
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freelikegnu |
you can compile in a vm on your local machine |
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micechal |
why vm? |
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freelikegnu |
you will have to apt-get your dependencies on the vps |
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freelikegnu |
if you dont already have the same environment on your vps, you may want to create a vm |
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freelikegnu |
I dont know a whole lot about that, I just build on my vps |
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micechal |
okay, thanks |
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micechal |
I'll build and run it on my second vps |
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micechal |
where I don't care about bloating it up |
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freelikegnu |
i think you dont need irrlicht if you are only running headless |
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freelikegnu |
prolly dont even need mese or open al either |
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freelikegnu |
mesa |
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micechal |
yeah |
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micechal |
the script you linked to assumes non-headless |
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freelikegnu |
yeah |
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micechal |
ie. it says "double click" |
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micechal |
hehe |
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freelikegnu |
there should be a headless build oneliner |
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micechal |
what I usually do though when building software is to download the dependencies as they are needed |
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micechal |
until the build passes without errors |
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waressearcher2 |
xfceKris: "It's the way I learn. Diving headlong into stuff that's way over my head", is thats the reason why you have 3 kids ? |
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xfceKris |
waressearcher2: most likely |
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xfceKris |
I keep getting an error when loading the world to test my mod. "attempt to concatenate a nill value" and it's showing the error at line 82... |
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xfceKris |
the thing is, line 82 is just closing brackets...well }) <<those |
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Teckla |
Possible to turn clouds off? |
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waressearcher2 |
what do you think of idea of multilayered clouds when some clouds above or below other clouds ? or clouds that have volume innstead of just one layer ? |
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xfceKris |
waressearcher2, I definitely think the clouds should be more realistic |
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waressearcher2 |
with a texture ? |
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is done messing with HexChat and goes back to building a Squid Proxy Server |
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xfceKris |
idk how it would be done, but it should definitely be more than just a single layer of clouds. |
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waressearcher2 |
DI3HARD139: you sound like you are doing a feat |
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JadenGamerDog |
...WHY ARE THERE SO MANY USERNAMES |
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DI3HARD139 |
~tell JadenGamerDog wrong host :P |
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ShadowBot |
DI3HARD139: O.K. |
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basil60 |
hi my minetest server (sandpit) has been up for only a few days. This morning, the stuff in my Inv was gone. That's not important, but I'm guessing some people would freak out over that. What might have gone wrong? There is only 1 other person testing on the server with me. |
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DI3HARD139 |
basil60: Are you using the default inventory? |
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DI3HARD139 |
Or Unified Inventory |
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basil60 |
no....but i think i should be (I'll ask about that). Just crap I'd mined. |
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DI3HARD139 |
probably a profile corruption. I get it from time to time |
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basil60 |
so..nothing I can do...would it be in any log? |
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DI3HARD139 |
check the debug.txt for a "Cleared Inventory of....." or similar message |
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basil60 |
on your other question...how do I provide eveyone with a default inventory - liek mesecon stuff? |
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* DI3HARD139 |
checks his settings for that |
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DI3HARD139 |
I dont remember TBH. I saw it in the moontest subgame but I removed it from the init.lua a few months agi |
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DI3HARD139 |
ago |
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DI3HARD139 |
weeks* |
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basil60 |
no worries..I'll google it. Thanks for your help |
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* DI3HARD139 |
is redownloading the subgame to check |
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DI3HARD139 |
basil60: It used this mod https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/tree/master/mods/give_initial_stuff |
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basil60 |
thanks DI3HARD 139 |
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cisoun |
Hey, long time no see. |
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cisoun |
Say, how the fire works now ? I'm trying to put some leaves near lava and it doesn't burn. Is that normal ? |
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waressearcher2 |
from that sentence "Hard work pays off in the future, laziness pays off now", does that part "laziness pays off now" means good or bad thing ? |
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Hisforever |
has anybody used the train mod? |
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H-H-H |
train mod :| ? |
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jojoa1997 |
what train mod? |
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DI3HARD139 |
If its what I think it is then I need it lol |
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DI3HARD139 |
already have 106 mods tho |
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waressearcher2 |
I need a train mod to make a trainwreck |
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waressearcher2 |
or there is a "trainwreck" mod ? |
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cisoun ignition from a distance is disabled now, ignition is neighbour nodes only (radius 1) |
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