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Hisforever |
Hi I'm in Single player how do access maps? |
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wilkgr |
Hello Hisforever. In your menu, click on the map you want to play. |
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wilkgr |
Then click "Play". |
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tolrinju |
I wonder if they're having the same problem I had |
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Hisforever |
thank wilkgr |
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wilkgr |
No worries :) |
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wilkgr |
I have a question; If I enable bumpmapping, why does it only work on some servers? |
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wilkgr |
It doesn't work on linuxgaming.us or shadowninja.minetest.net or moontest.org |
| 03:58 |
wilkgr |
But it works on minetest.org (port 30025) |
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wilkgr |
and in singleplayer |
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asl97 |
iirc, bumpmapping depend on the texture and maybe the `something`map |
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asl97 |
heightmap was it? |
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ShadowNinja |
wilkgr: You need a TP that support it or generate_normalmaps=true. |
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asl97 |
oh yea, normalmap |
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wilkgr |
Ah, thanks. |
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wilkgr |
Ok. |
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swift110-phone |
Hey all |
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LazyJ |
VanessaE, cheapie, has Inchranet's IRC info changed again? |
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cheapie |
LazyJ: osiris was moved to a different hosting facility. If you can't connect, your DNS is probably messed up. |
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LazyJ |
cheapie, what is the connection info? |
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cheapie |
LazyJ: Same as before. The new IP is 198.27.68.162, and osiris.inchra.net and digitalaudioconcepts.com already resolve to that if you're using a properly working DNS server. |
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LazyJ |
idk what or how the DNS server is. |
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cheapie |
What DNS server are you using? |
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LazyJ |
idk. What is a DNS server? |
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asl97 |
LazyJ: open the terminal/cmd and run `nslookup osiris.inchra.net` |
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cheapie |
(I'm using a locally-hosted one with Level3's behind it, and it's working fine for me) |
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LazyJ |
asl97, Thanks. It outputs the same IP cheapie posted. |
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cheapie |
Should work then. |
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asl97 |
if it doesn't, blame the host xD |
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* cheapie |
is connected right now |
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asl97 |
or maybe the ISP |
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LazyJ |
My IRC setup for that channel is digitalaudioconcepts but when I try to connect it tells me the connection was refused and gives a different IP. I have the domain name entered, not the IP so I'll try that next. |
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cheapie |
Your computer might be doing some kind of funky DNS caching. |
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LazyJ |
Does the connection use SASL or Nickserve? |
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cheapie |
(FWIW, I like specifying digitalaudioconcepts.com instead of irc.inchra.net because not only does it annoy ShadowNinja, but it generally works more often) |
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cheapie |
NickServ is present, but I don't think SASL is supported. |
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LazyJ |
Ok, the IP change did the trick. Thanks ;) |
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asl97 |
dns caching can be troublesome but it is useful |
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swift110-phone |
Cool |
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basil60 |
With the the help of a few folk here, I installed minetest this morning on a remote Ubuntu server. It's a server I want up and running, so how do I start it? |
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asl97 |
basil60: as i said this morning, start it using the executable minetestserver file |
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basil60 |
asl97 - in bin, only have minetest |
| 05:28 |
asl97 |
then it isn't complie :| |
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basil60 |
so I can just run make again? |
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asl97 |
i thought server is also enable by default....... |
| 05:29 |
asl97 |
run the cmake with -DBUILD_SERVER=1 |
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asl97 |
and the other option you use before |
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asl97 |
then make |
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asl97 |
basil60: you still there? |
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basil60 |
yes..just running the cmds |
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basil60 |
I've done all this as root...can i still run the server from a non-privileged account? |
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asl97 |
you should be able to if you chmod it |
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asl97 |
it > the executable |
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basil60 |
in the bin folder? |
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asl97 |
if the make doesn't do it for you |
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basil60 |
compiled with a minetestserver, but errors |
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asl97 |
telling us it error without the error isn't really useful for us to help |
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basil60 |
asl97 http://pastebin.com/qwDw0gbM - just trying not to get booted for flooding |
| 05:40 |
asl97 |
you are missing the default game |
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asl97 |
cd into the games folder and clone: |
| 05:41 |
asl97 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game.git |
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asl97 |
ah... you are running it in the bin folder |
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asl97 |
cd out of it and try running it again |
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asl97 |
iirc, if you build using run in place, you need to run it in the root installed folder, ie: the folder you ran make install |
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basil60 |
so, i can call ./bin/minetesterver from the minetest folder? |
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asl97 |
you should be able to |
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kaeza |
Greetings. |
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basil60 |
asl97 action... |
| 05:50 |
asl97 |
action....? |
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basil60 |
how do i stop it...so i can chmod it and not run as root? |
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asl97 |
stopping it is basic, you just send it a KeyboardInterrupt by pressing ctrl+c |
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basil60 |
it's all working...thanks |
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asl97 |
as for running it in background or as a service, i will leave it to you to figure it out |
| 05:53 |
basil60 |
thanks...I'll google it. But as server, wouldn't I start it, and walk away??? |
| 05:58 |
asl97 |
surely the computer/server isn't just for hosting minetest and surely you would prefer it to auto start when you turn on the computer/server |
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basil60 |
well at this point, that's all it's doing....vps |
| 05:58 |
asl97 |
ssh? |
| 05:59 |
basil60 |
virtual private server.. |
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asl97 |
i know what a vps is.... i mean are you accessing it using ssh |
| 06:00 |
basil60 |
to configure etc..yes |
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basil60 |
sorry |
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asl97 |
iirc, it would just get killed when you disconnect from the ssh if it isn't running in the background with the output redirected somewhere |
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basil60 |
ok..thanks..I'll get googleing |
| 06:01 |
basil60 |
I think the same thing happened with my MOO |
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asl97 |
now that i don't know (MOO) |
| 06:02 |
basil60 |
an old text based MMO...from the 80s |
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basil60 |
i started the server using my non privileged account, and go this error http://pastebin.com/Sux2iwFX |
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asl97 |
the folder isn't writable by your non privileged account |
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asl97 |
chmod it (or chown it to pass it to that account) with -R (recursive). ie (don't use 777 though): chmod 777 -R . |
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basil60 |
from within the minetest directory |
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asl97 |
777 mean world readable and it isn't a good idea to make it that way |
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asl97 |
world readable, writable, executable* |
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barrydk |
More almal |
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asl97 |
basil60: also, when using pastebin.com, i recommend you link the raw link instead, eg: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Sux2iwFX |
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basil60 |
may i ask why? Your the firt bloke to offer that advice..thanks |
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basil60 |
first |
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asl97 |
bloke? |
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basil60 |
person? |
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asl97 |
pastebin.com load slow and request the browser to send lots of (tracking) request, over three hundred of them, the raw link doesn't |
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basil60 |
thanks... |
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asl97 |
an ad blocker reduce it to about 30 but one request is still better than 30 |
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asl97 |
https://bpaste.net/ and some other pastebin isn't as bad as pastebin.com though |
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Hisforever |
I can't seem to find the Aminaal testure pack anywhere, any help please? |
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Hisforever |
Wow I must be tired sorry. I can't fins the Animal testures anywhere, please help? |
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Hisforever |
texture man wish my fingers would work lol |
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asl97 |
there is no animal texture pack as far as i know, maybe try searching for it on the forum |
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basil60 |
asl97 it still gives one error -ERROR[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! |
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Hisforever |
Thanks as197 I might mean mods |
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asl97 |
basil60: it doesn't run? |
| 06:25 |
basil60 |
asl97 it starts.....but with that error |
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asl97 |
there is no locale folder in the minetest folder? |
| 06:27 |
basil60 |
asl97 can't see one... |
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asl97 |
it should be make when running the make |
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asl97 |
but locale is just for the translation, it should work without it unless minetest is make in a way that make it not work without it |
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basil60 |
just working on opening a port on the server (3000) to allow access - client was timing out |
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asl97 |
basil60: can you paste the output of cmake? |
| 06:35 |
asl97 |
the one with the options you use |
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basil60 |
asl97 so run cmake . -DBUILD_SERVER=1 again? |
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asl97 |
didn't you pass the run_in_place too? |
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basil60 |
no...I ran the command just like this |
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asl97 |
then the one before with RBA? RBA told you to use run_in_place, did you use run_in_place? |
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basil60 |
no..I only ran it before..after talking with you....this mornng I may have...but I used cmake . -DBUILD_SERVER=1just a little earlier |
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asl97 |
uh.... ether that mean you install minetest in both system wide and in place or just in place |
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basil60 |
I have to run...got to pick up my kid..I'll have to check when I get back...thanks for your help |
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asl97 |
well, that doesn't really matter now, i just need the output of make to check if you are missing something |
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asl97 |
oops, i mean cmake |
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asl97 - back - so do I run cmake . -DBUILD_SERVER=1 again |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Respect Day! 😃 |
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waressearcher2 |
does anyone seen that guy: "scout1441949613> ciao a tutti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" or its just me ? |
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Megaf |
waressearcher2: that means "Hello everyone!!!!!" |
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Megaf |
ciao = Hello/Hi/Bye and tutti = all/everything/everyone |
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Megaf |
a = to |
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Megaf |
JamesTait: My father in law is arriving here in Dublin from Brazil today, to visit my girlfriend |
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Megaf |
so, lots of respect needed indeed |
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JamesTait |
😃 |
| 10:13 |
Megaf |
by the way, I need more long term players on my server to build houses and use them as homes at my underground city |
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Megaf |
We have 21 spaces available |
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Megaf |
spaces are 21x21 nodes/meters |
| 10:14 |
Megaf |
hm, 21 spaces 21x21 in size, 21 is a nice number |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 10:14 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/11, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms |
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Megaf |
!up mt.megaf.info |
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MinetestBot |
mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (7ms) |
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waressearcher2 |
Megaf: and what language is "tutti" from ? |
| 10:27 |
Megaf |
waressearcher2: That's Italian |
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est31 |
on organs, there is a tutti button |
| 10:27 |
est31 |
you push it if you want all registers |
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Megaf |
makes sense |
| 10:30 |
Megaf |
tutti in Italian, tudo in Portuguese and Spanish |
| 10:30 |
waressearcher2 |
"minna" in japanese ? |
| 10:36 |
Megaf |
no idea |
| 10:39 |
waressearcher2 |
its just I know that "ohaio minna san" means "hello everyone" so "minna" should be "everyone" |
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tolrinju |
minna means everyone not, all/complete like tutti, tudo and todo of Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish, respectively. The equivalent Japanese word would be nokorazu or zenbu |
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Viper |
Is there a basic lua totorial? |
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waressearcher2 |
Out`Of`Control: they should have book available on their lua web site, its an old version of lua book that is free now |
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Out`Of`Control |
waressearcher2: thanks |
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Calinou |
"I really like MC eula terms, but those are even more restrictive" |
| 11:50 |
Calinou |
stopped reading there |
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* Calinou |
looks at Magichet... :( |
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vtold |
Hi, is it possible to upgrade my 0.4.12 to 0.4.13 from sources (with all my world)? |
| 12:28 |
vtold |
I am on openSUSE 13.2 |
| 12:29 |
waressearcher2 |
vtold: a bit related question, why did you choose openSUSE ? there are ubuntu,mint,fedora,gentoo around |
| 12:29 |
vtold |
I like it :) |
| 12:30 |
est31 |
vtold, yes that is possible |
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vtold |
just compile ? |
| 12:31 |
est31 |
yes |
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est31 |
thats enough |
| 12:31 |
vtold |
and copy world from old minetest? |
| 12:31 |
est31 |
yes if you want it |
| 12:31 |
est31 |
minetest is built to be abled to read even the oldest maps |
| 12:32 |
vtold |
thank you est31 |
| 12:32 |
waressearcher2 |
est31: even 0.4.7 maps ? |
| 12:32 |
est31 |
waressearcher2, yes |
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waressearcher2 |
what will happen with full grown wheat if you do not gather it ? will it decoy or just stays here ? |
| 12:45 |
Calinou |
it does not wither |
| 12:45 |
Calinou |
this is not Farmville :P |
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vtold |
oops, dependencies failed |
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twoelk |
waressearcher2: that's why some people use wheat also just for decorational purpose |
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waressearcher2 |
twoelk: but it shouldn't be like that, I mean when you "prepare" ground with a tool to put seed in it and don't put seeds for some time a grass start to grow in it so if that happens than something should happen when you don't gather wheat for a long time |
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CWz |
Farmvill is overrated |
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waressearcher2 |
CWz: "where all my years gone ? Farmvill" |
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waressearcher2 |
-- tobuscus |
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CWz |
it only makes people glued to the screen in obsession and delusion of them being owners of a farm. |
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waressearcher2 |
CWz: it brings them feeling of achievements |
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twoelk |
I like to plant wheat near ponds and lakes just for the looks ;-P |
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waressearcher2 |
is there flying mobs in minetest ? that not just walk or jump on the ground |
| 13:12 |
twoelk |
join Meowtest hosted by Oldcoder for examples of flying mobs |
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twoelk |
I think Adventuretsest also has some |
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twoelk |
-s |
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waressearcher2 |
anyone knows on average how many minetest servers active here and how many players active ? |
| 13:18 |
waressearcher2 |
some statistics ? |
| 13:20 |
twoelk |
http://servers.minetest.net/ <-- study this |
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twoelk |
else ask sfan5 for spezific statistics |
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est31 |
this is a github traffic overview: http://pasteboard.co/Jt9v399.png |
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est31 |
500 to 1000 visits each day |
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est31 |
(of the github site) |
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waressearcher2 |
twoelk: why server's uptime so small from few hours to few days ? |
| 13:43 |
waressearcher2 |
I presume lots of crashes, but there is one that has 309days uptime, but looks like no one ever connected to it |
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waressearcher2 |
can minetest record gameplay video ? |
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waressearcher2 |
or record a "demo" so anyone can replay ? |
| 13:57 |
twoelk |
some servers have been up for years but most go offline on a regular basis for backups and maintenance |
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twoelk |
King Arthur, VanessaE's creative, Shadowninja's, Landrush, LinuxGaming and many others are long term servers |
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twoelk |
"Red Crab" is one of the oldest but it doesn't appear as it's server version is older than the public list feature |
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Calinou |
there's no demo system in Minetest |
| 14:09 |
Calinou |
would be pretty complicated to do |
| 14:09 |
Calinou |
it's not trivial for a FPS or racing game already |
| 14:10 |
Calinou |
waressearcher2, use Open Broadcaster Software or SimpleScreenRecorder to record videos |
| 14:10 |
Calinou |
and to edit them, PiTiVi, Openshot, Kdenlive, Shotcut, ... |
| 14:10 |
Calinou |
or even Blender :) |
| 14:12 |
twoelk |
Kazam is also nice and tiny - without any whistles and bells though |
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waressearcher2 |
Calinou: are "Open Broadcaster Software" or "SimpleScreenRecorder" those for linux ? so far I used ffmpeg for recording |
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Calinou |
both, yes |
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Calinou |
OBS is now cross-platform |
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Calinou |
OBS also works on Windows :) |
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Calinou |
https://obsproject.com/ |
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Calinou |
and OS X |
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Out`Of`Control |
how to make this work https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2c084217/ ? |
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Calinou |
http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/ |
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MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Document current node metadata format 691eb2d http://git.io/vnqvA (2015-09-18T16:47:13+02:00) |
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xfceKris |
So I caught a wild hair today and decided to learn lua, and develop a mod at the same time. Any bets on how long before I give up? |
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waressearcher2 |
2 days |
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waressearcher2 |
because in 2 days weekend ends and school starts |
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xfceKris |
I'm 26 years old, not in school |
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waressearcher2 |
xfceKris: what other languages do you knwo ? |
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xfceKris |
html. haha... |
| 15:27 |
waressearcher2 |
you should've started with C, then assembler |
| 15:27 |
waressearcher2 |
xfceKris: I mean do you really think lua would be good time investment, its like first language for you |
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xfceKris |
I learned html back in high school |
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waressearcher2 |
I'm not demotivating from modding for minetest |
| 15:28 |
xfceKris |
Nah, I get what you are saying. |
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xfceKris |
I just saw something I wanted to add to the game, and figured the best way to do it was to just dive right in. |
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waressearcher2 |
xfceKris: try c++ that way you can use skills outside of minetest |
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xfceKris |
I'm sure I'll pick up some c++ while I'm at this. Heck, I'll probably just study both. I'm a quick study when it comes to this subject matter. |
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waressearcher2 |
that way you can also study GIMP and blender |
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waressearcher2 |
to make your textures and models for mods |
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Calinou |
GIMP is C, Blender is heavily Python-based |
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exio4 |
xfceKris: learn Lua, it's perfectly fine |
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exio4 |
xfceKris: and I don't think you should give up, it's perfectly fine |
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xfceKris |
I can use Gimp fairly well. I was an ad designer as a teenager for about two years |
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xfceKris |
I'm working on the textures for my mod in gimp now actually. :D |
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waressearcher2 |
xfceKris: by the way do desktop do you use KDE or Gnome ? |
| 15:55 |
Calinou |
Lua is fine as a first language |
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Calinou |
much better than Java or C++ |
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xfceKris |
I'm running Xubuntu right now. So it's Xfce DE over the Ubuntu base. |
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Calinou |
xfceKris, also, there is Aseprite which is a specialized program for pixel art. |
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Calinou |
you can find it in Ubuntu repos |
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Calinou |
sudo apt-get install aseprite |
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waressearcher2 |
Calinou: "much better", in waht way ? |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
doesn't teach you bad habits as much or such |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
it's also easier to pick up, and easier to maintain |
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xfceKris |
Probably because lua is much simpler...At least as far as I can tell so far. |
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xfceKris |
lol |
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xfceKris |
Question about the license for the base game. Does it allow for me to use the chest textures (heavily modified and renamed) for my own purposes? |
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Calinou |
yes, as long as you give credit |
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Calinou |
and keep modifications under the same license |
| 16:04 |
Calinou |
everything in Minetest is free |
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exio4 |
waressearcher2: Lua is a much simpler language, its BNF fits in practically nothing |
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exio4 |
it's one of those languages that without any specification, could be recreated, unless C++ |
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waressearcher2 |
Calinou: what if I change all but one pixel in texture, should I give a credit ? |
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xfceKris |
So as long as I credit the textures (that's all I'm copying) and keep the textures under LGPL 2.1+ all is well? |
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Calinou |
waressearcher2, probably not, a single pixel is not copyrightable |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
textures are not LGPL, they are usually CC BY-SA 3.0 Unported |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
or sometimes WTFPL |
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est31 |
Calinou, german telekom dislikes use of their color |
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Calinou |
heh |
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est31 |
for the case you know german or how to use google translator: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magenta_%28Farbe%29 |
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waressearcher2 |
exio4: "Lua is a much simpler language", can it be that are biased because you do minetest stuff ? |
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Calinou |
exio4 is more into Haskell really :p |
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exio4 |
waressearcher2: I am not biased, its semantics are simpler, and as I said, the syntax is really simple |
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exio4 |
waressearcher2: it's scoping rules are also really nice |
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exio4 |
waressearcher2: compare it with C++, with an undecidable syntax, practically |
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exio4 |
waressearcher2: or with Java, with things like subtyping and covariant arrays which are both complicated and unsound by design respectively |
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Calinou |
it's keyword-based, which makes it kind of redundant though |
| 16:17 |
Calinou |
rather than brace-based or indentation-based |
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exio4 |
Calinou: it's making what redudant? |
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Calinou |
Lua |
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Calinou |
the wall of "end"'s... |
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exio4 |
Calinou: I don't seem to follow, Lua's keyboard-based syntax or whatever is making what redudant? |
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exio4 |
the scoping rules? |
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Calinou |
no, the fact you must close your if's and such with "end" |
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Calinou |
rather than using indentation or braces |
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Calinou |
like in Ruby |
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exio4 |
oh, you mean the redundancy of the syntax |
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exio4 |
well, I don't really mind that given the syntax is really simple |
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* Calinou |
quite likes indent-based |
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* est31 |
quite hates whitespace based |
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Calinou |
this is why I favour Stylus over Sass :P |
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exio4 |
Haskell is whitespace sensitive! |
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exio4 |
or not, you can use {} if you don't want it to be |
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est31 |
haskell is the exception |
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est31 |
there it actually makes sense |
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exio4 |
main = do { x <- getLine; putStrLn ("hello " ++ x); } this is perfectly valid code :D |
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est31 |
all you do the whole long day in haskell is defining functions |
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exio4 |
indeed, it kinda makes sense as functions are kept small and what not too |
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exio4 |
you use the whitespace for making the code look nice, mostly |
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Krock |
hi |
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Out`Of`Control |
hi Krock |
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xfceKris |
I'll also be using this experience to teach myself more about Github and git in general. :D |
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xfceKris |
So it's a multifaceted learning project. |
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xfceKris |
I like it. |
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xfceKris |
Wouldn't you know it, I get an error on my first commit |
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xfceKris |
error: src refspec master does not match any. |
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xfceKris |
wtf does that mean? |
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rom1504 |
what command did you try ? |
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xfceKris |
I figured it out. I hadn't configured git on my computer to recognize me yet. |
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Calinou |
git config --global user.name "Me", git config --global user.email "me example.com" |
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Calinou |
:p |
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Calinou |
you can either configure per-repository (--local) or globally (--global) |
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xfceKris |
Yup, did that. |
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xfceKris |
I had missed the warning before when I did "git commit -m 'first commit'" |
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Calinou |
-m is frowned upon, it leads to poor oneliners |
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xfceKris |
saw the warning the second time, and have officially made my first ever commit to github. :D |
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xfceKris |
https://github.com/xfceKris/Double_Chest.git |
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Calinou |
instead, just use git commit or git commit -a |
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Calinou |
then write your commit over several lines if needed |
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xfceKris |
I'm still learning, but I'll give that a try next time. |
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* xfceKris |
saves chat log for future reference |
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xfceKris |
also. the init.lua is blank right now...I haven't learned enough lua yet.lol |
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Calinou |
https://up1.ca/#Ihjg5gVknXcRlK_nl08ezA |
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Calinou |
example of a good commit message ^ |
| 17:33 |
Calinou |
you can add an extended description to your commits |
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xfceKris |
I like it. And that's using -a right? |
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Calinou |
yes, use "git commit" or "git commit -a" |
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Calinou |
(-a adds everything before) |
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Calinou |
tip: you can use Git directly from the Atom editor (https://atom.io), install the "git-plus" package |
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* xfceKris |
re-saves chat log for future reading. |
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Calinou |
another useful thing, "git lg". This is an alias for "git log" that looks prettier: https://coderwall.com/p/euwpig/a-better-git-log |
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xfceKris |
So what are you saying? Mousepad and command line aren't good enough? |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
follow the instructions (the alias one), then type "git lg" instead of "git log" |
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Calinou |
you'll have a pretty colored log, with commit hash and relative date/author |
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xfceKris |
I gotta use some third party stuff with everything built in> |
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xfceKris |
? |
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xfceKris |
lmao |
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Calinou |
well, Mousepad is pretty lacking in terms of features |
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Calinou |
you want at least syntax highlighting and such |
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est31 |
meh if I want it pretty I use gitk |
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Calinou |
for this, Geany is perfect, it handles Lua natively, but you can also use Atom |
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Calinou |
est31, there is also "tig" |
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est31 |
but honestly I havent yet explored what git tools one can use |
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xfceKris |
The first time I ever wrote code, I was using MS notepad... |
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xfceKris |
talk about LACKING |
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xfceKris |
est31: link or reference for gitk? |
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xfceKris |
Calinou: same for tig? |
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est31 |
tig isnt pretty |
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est31 |
gitg isnt pretty either |
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est31 |
both have weird ux |
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est31 |
guess their ux isnt weird, just I dont want to learn it |
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* est31 |
is happy with gitk |
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xfceKris |
atom is looking pretty awesome from what I'm reading on their website. Gonna look up Geany next |
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Calinou |
Atom is entirely hackable, it has tons of packages and can thus support a lot of languages. |
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Calinou |
it also has support for linters that check your code, and auto-completion |
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xfceKris |
where are all of the default mods hiden? |
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xfceKris |
Found them |
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ancer |
hi, there |
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ancer |
I have a question regarding programming LuaEntity |
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ancer |
when I just set constant horizontal velocity to entity, it from time to time twitches |
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Calinou |
floating-point precision errors? |
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Calinou |
can you do a screencast? |
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ancer |
while debugging this, I noticed that this occurs when in entity:on_step funciton, dtime is much larger than usual |
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ancer |
sure |
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ancer |
cannot be floating point, because I set velocity once and see strange effect changing no entity properties |
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ancer |
I already wrote screencast |
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ancer |
where to upload it? |
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Calinou |
screencast, not screenshot |
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ancer |
ok, I uploaded it on youtube |
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ancer |
https://youtu.be/_0KrAEmmccY |
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ancer |
look closely at third jump of a sheep |
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ancer |
it goes backward for one frame |
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Calinou |
that's due to client-side prediction errors, I think |
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ancer |
so, there is no way to eliminate this effect? |
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ancer |
I'm trying to program mob, but these strange visuals make it look crappy |
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Calinou |
I don't think this can be fixed until we get client-side modding |
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ancer |
The same I think happens sometimes, when other players are teleported from one position to another |
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ancer |
but that I think mostly to network lag |
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ancer |
and I'm testing this in singleplayer |
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ElectronLibre |
Is it just me or sometimes when you point at an unknown node it has no itemstring printed in the debug info? |
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DFeniks |
i wonder if there is way to know itemstring for not placed items . or in craft guide |
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ElectronLibre |
I created a command that allows you to get the itemstring of the item you're handling, even the unknown ones. |
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ElectronLibre |
But such a feature doesn't exist in Minetest nor Mintest Game. |
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waressearcher2 |
why there wasn't "client-side modding" at the begining ? poor design ? or no one thought it would be necessary ? |
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ElectronLibre |
At the beginning there was no modding. |
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ElectronLibre |
And the devs said, let's there be mods. |
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waressearcher2 |
no, and the community said: devs give us some mods |
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ElectronLibre |
Yeah maybe, but in the end there were mods. |
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waressearcher2 |
so when mods were introduced why they weren't client-side ? |
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ElectronLibre |
But nobody thought at this moment that it could be useful on client-side, and probably nobody wanted to code that. |
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ElectronLibre |
I'm not old enough minetest-wise to know precisely but it's probably that it was easier server-side, and nobody thought it would be of any use on client-side. |
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waressearcher2 |
ElectronLibre: you are not one of those "architects" ? |
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ElectronLibre |
No I'm not. |
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ElectronLibre |
But in order to use your metaphor, I would say that I'm closer to an humble sandcastle builder than an architect. |
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waressearcher2 |
minetrix |
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basil60 |
hi got minetest up and running as a server yesterday (Ubuntu), but I can't find info on running it as a service. Can anyone provide a link please? |
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ElectronLibre |
Is it even possible to run minetest as a service? |
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basil60 |
perhaps not the right term...keep it running once I exit my ssh terminal |
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ElectronLibre |
I think I know how to do that. |
| 21:38 |
ElectronLibre |
Put the command you use to launch your server in a script, make the script executable, then do ./startserver.sh & disown |
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waressearcher2 |
basil60: run it inside "screen" ? |
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ElectronLibre |
^ That works too. |
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basil60 |
waressearcher2 run it inside "screen" ? |
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waressearcher2 |
ElectronLibre: what if server process interactive ? in your case he will lose its interactivity |
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waressearcher2 |
basil60: programm called "screen" it can detach from terminal, or there is also another one called "tmux" |
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ElectronLibre |
The only interactivity you can have with a minetestserver instance is a SIGINT. |
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ElectronLibre |
And you can do that even without interacting with it. |
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basil60 |
I'll go and look up tmux |
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waressearcher2 |
basil60: you administrate your ubuntu server using remote terminal and never heard of "screen" or "tmux" ? |
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basil60 |
i'm a linux noob....no enough to gte myself in trouble...never been a big commnad line fan - understand it's power..but |
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waressearcher2 |
also there is "nohup" |
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basil60 |
thanks...I'll have to play with tmux..and get a handle onit |
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basil60 |
When I start the server, I get an error - 2015-09-18 18:01:31: ERROR[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! - can I ignore that? |
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rubenwardy |
Moved into university!!! |
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Megaf |
Really? http://9gag.com/gag/aXXVdrP |
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nm0i |
Whats the reason behind UDP, if everyone lags anyway. |
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waressearcher2 |
no overhead for establishing connection |
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waressearcher2 |
does minetest uses UDP for client server communication ? |
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waressearcher2 |
UDP can be much better in some cases, like NFS, but for some reason in latest version NFS they removed UDP entirely |
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waressearcher2 |
in is convenient when you can restart NFS server without reconecting clients |
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rubenwardy |
TCP can have up to 2 seconds **before sending** |
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rubenwardy |
so you'd have an average of 1-2 seconds of lag |
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rubenwardy |
whereas the RTT in MT isn't that large |
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rubenwardy |
it more the magnitude of data that is sent |
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rubenwardy |
afaik |
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rubenwardy |
and how efficient the server does it |
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rubenwardy |
TCP buffers the packet stream, inorder to send reliably |
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waressearcher2 |
is there a difference from the stand point of routers that are in between client and server, whether you use TCP or UDP ? |
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rubenwardy |
no |
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rubenwardy |
TCP is build on UDP |
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waressearcher2 |
or for them they are all ip packets |
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rubenwardy |
sorr |
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rubenwardy |
sorry |
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rubenwardy |
TCP is built on IP |
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waressearcher2 |
"TCP is build on UDP", thats something new |
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rubenwardy |
UDP is a very very thin layer of IP |
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waressearcher2 |
yes, just port field |
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rubenwardy |
anyway, time to sleep |
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