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IRC log for #minetest, 2015-09-15

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04:23 swift110-phone Hey all
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08:32 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy International Dot Day! ūüėÉ
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08:57 ancer hi, everyone
08:57 ancer i'm writing mod that uses entity with physical=true
08:58 ancer how to determine a moment when entity has collided with another entity or node?
08:59 ancer I use setvelocity method and want to know when entity has stopped due to collision
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11:54 Megaf Hi
11:55 Megaf Hi swift110-phone JamesTait
11:55 Megaf nrzkt: Hi there, isnt the OS X kernel based on FreeBSD too?
11:56 Megaf cheapie: I just use Irrlicht from their SVN and LuaJIT from their Git, no problems at all
11:56 Megaf cheapie: also, no need to compile Irrlicht for server builds
11:57 nrzkt Megaf: absolutely NO
11:57 Megaf Who wrote meselamps and mesegates mod?
11:57 nrzkt OS X uses Mach micro kernel + Darwin
11:57 Megaf Yes, and where the Darwin kernel comes from?
11:57 Megaf I think it has patches from BSD
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12:00 * Megaf researches
12:02 Megaf nrzkt: well, Darwin comes from NextSTEP and NextSTEP from BSD
12:03 Megaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wik‚Äči/File:Unix_timeline.en.svg
12:03 Megaf Darwin is built around XNU, a hybrid kernel that combines the Mach 3 microkernel, various elements of BSD
12:03 Megaf Darwin is a Frankstein
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12:04 nrzkt yes
12:04 nrzkt it's exact, but Darwin != BSD atm
12:07 Megaf I'm still not sure what is my favorite kernel
12:07 Megaf even the Windows NT Kernel itself is a good kernel
12:07 Megaf I think Linux is just the easiest to change and recompile
12:07 Megaf you dont see FreeBSD people recompiling the FreeBSD kernel
12:08 Megaf do you?
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12:30 nrzkt yes, for performance and minimizing the functions to the minimal needed
12:31 nrzkt example: removing drivers, removing non needed functions etc + compiler options to generate a full optimized code
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13:32 exio4 Megaf: why do you like suffering so much?
13:32 Megaf exio4: Whay you ask that?
13:33 exio4 you're using gnome and wayland!
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13:36 Megaf exio4: Everything works fine, but minetest
13:36 exio4 are you also using systemd? :p
13:36 exio4 (and fedora?)
13:36 Megaf exio4: and the real reason Im doing that is because Mutter crashes when starting with X and nouveau
13:37 Megaf but it works with Wayland, go figure
13:37 exio4 oh, I changed to an AMD GPU a year ago
13:37 Megaf Right now I'm on XFCE on X :D
13:37 exio4 I had a nvidia gpu and gave up on trying to make it run my games
13:38 Megaf exio4: Yep, I'm typing from my 2010 Macbook Pro, my new laptop is a Toshiba Satellite with AMD GPU, much happines :)
13:38 exio4 oh, that explains the issues
13:38 Megaf with nvidia I can't even use the proprietary driver on 64 bit and (u)EFI
13:39 Megaf I have to use MBR emulation
13:40 Megaf so, I'm stuck with crashy nouveau
13:40 Megaf If I could change my GPU I would
13:42 exio4 yeah, this is a desktop
13:42 exio4 I really hate laptops unless it works extremely well, and hardware never works
13:42 exio4 not even under windows, if you wonder
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13:44 Megaf exio4: well, on my macbook pro everything works perfect, just a few crashes with nouveau...
13:45 Megaf and on my toshiba everything but the bluetooth card work well
13:45 Megaf using Debian Jessie
13:45 Megaf GNOME on my macbook pro worked, until I upgrade from Jessie to Stretch
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14:16 Megaf !server Megaf
14:16 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/11, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
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14:50 Megaf !seen Megaf
14:50 MinetestBot Megaf: megaf was last seen at 2015-09-15 14:16:22 UTC on #minetest
14:50 Megaf !seen Nekofire
14:50 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen nekofire around.
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15:56 waressearcher2 http://i.imgur.com/HF3nwWY.png how was that made ? block by block or some 3d model converted in to voxel model ?
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16:02 T4im I think you will have to ask the author, both is thinkable
16:06 Calinou I hardly think it's block by block :P
16:06 Calinou mauvebic did it, he left a while ago
16:07 waressearcher2 so its possible to export any 3d model in the world ? is it easy to do ?
16:08 est31 is it possible? -> yes
16:08 T4im I bet there were crazier things build by hand, as well :P
16:08 est31 is it easy? -> depends on the definition
16:08 est31 but generally it is
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17:18 Out`Of`Control hey Krock, there is an update ?
17:19 Krock Out`Of`Control, I got quite angry when I tried to fix this earlier.. I don't know what to do to solve that stuff
17:20 Out`Of`Control Krock:  i am happy that it does not crash server anymore lol
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17:28 Krock The moment when there's the question on the sheet: "Does HTTP garantuee that you're browsing safely?" with the answers "Yes", "No" but no "In most cases, yes."?
17:28 Krock Teachers, please.
17:28 Krock *HTTPS
17:28 waressearcher2 what is "safely" ? privately ?
17:28 Calinou In most cases, maybe that perhaps it can be safe.
17:29 est31 yea thats the next question
17:29 est31 a flash virus can be delivered via HTTPS as well as HTTP
17:29 waressearcher2 or "safely" means you will not catch any trojans,backdoors ?
17:29 est31 well https is more than just privacy
17:30 Krock Yeah, the question was somewhat imprecise.
17:30 waressearcher2 or can HTTP be used while driving in a car, is that "safely" ?
17:30 Krock waressearcher2, eh, no, it's good.
17:30 est31 I mean if I have POST bank.com/send_money.asp?to=563634&amount=42
17:31 est31 then its not privacy anymore
17:31 est31 anybody in your wlan could give them money xD
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17:37 est31 no 42 is a nicer number
17:37 waressearcher2 not if you get 42 cents per hour job
17:38 waressearcher2 why minetest "looks" different from minecraft, I mean not textures, it "feel" different, they both use opengl right ? so what is the other stuff that is different ? you can say engine, but what exactly ?
17:39 est31 waressearcher2, well then you should get 42 cents per second job
17:39 est31 or milisecond
17:39 est31 or sth between
17:46 kahrl wait a second
17:46 kahrl isn't there a * BS missing somewhere
17:47 kahrl er, that should be in -dev
17:47 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Disallow placing entities outside safe boundaries f61f817 http://git.io/vZdkY (2015-09-15T19:45:17+02:00)
17:48 kahrl (was talking about this commit ^)
17:48 waressearcher2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgqsYVtyPWA the description of that video is interteining: "Here is my first Minecraft related video. It is called Minetest and Minetest is a free version of Minecraft.", again "Minetest is a free version of Minecraft" just think of it
17:49 Calinou it is indeed a free implementation of Minecraft :) /semi-sarcasm
17:49 Calinou but not a version
17:49 waressearcher2 notch was so kind to release free version of Minecraft
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17:51 waressearcher2 or from other video: "This is me playing Minetest. Minetest is a free clone of Minecraft." and another: "Hey every one welcome to a series of Minetest fun! Minetest is a free alternative to Minecraft and still as fun as ever.", you can say mostly people got it right
17:52 waressearcher2 but still they all say its "something" of Minecraft, and not like "another voxel based game"
17:52 Krock But only a few use the correct description of Minetest
17:53 waressearcher2 its like from "Jay and Silent bob" moment when actor from american pie complains that every one thinks of hims as "pie-f**er"
17:54 waressearcher2 no you are not another game you are minecraft clone,alternative,version
17:57 VanessaE wrong.
17:58 VanessaE Minetest is a game of its own, not a clone.
18:00 exio4 well, it is 3d
18:00 exio4 i think it is a clone of quake
18:01 everamzah mm..quake
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18:07 Teckla What about DOOM?  And Castle Wolfenstein?  :)
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18:15 Calinou Minetest is a CPMA clone!!
18:17 kahrl there is collision detection, so it's a Tennis For Two clone
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18:18 Calinou Teckla, if Minetest was a clone of Doom then you'd constantly be in fast mode :3
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19:13 CWz VanessaE: wow the ddos is bad on inchra
19:13 ElectronLibre CWz, are you sure it's a ddos?
19:14 CWz VanessaE:  said it's a ddos
19:15 nanepiwo so thats whats wrong...
19:15 ElectronLibre It's maybe related in a way but MinetestForFun's servers were apparently being ddos-ed just before it started.
19:15 ElectronLibre They're still down at the moment.
19:16 CWz It's probbaly some minecrafter scriptkiddy
19:16 ElectronLibre It's probably the same one who did it multiple times the past few weeks then.
19:17 CWz who?
19:17 ElectronLibre We don't know.
19:17 CWz if he's using the ion cannon bot thing then it's possbile to track down who it is i thinl
19:17 ElectronLibre But the past 2 weeks MinetestForFun's servers have been attacked multiple times, always DDOSes.
19:18 ElectronLibre You should maybe ask him for informations, when he's there.
19:22 ElectronLibre Oh wow, it splitted.
19:26 CWz i wonder if VanessaE is ok
19:26 ElectronLibre She probably is trying to fix the problem, and restart/reconnect the server.
19:26 CWz She needs ddos protection
19:35 OldCoder Ah
19:35 OldCoder New Inchra is down
19:38 ElectronLibre Part of it, yes.
19:42 CWz the important part is down
20:02 VanessaE the whole server has been null-routed.
20:02 VanessaE I sent the unblock request, now I have to wait for my host to get on the stick.
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20:11 CWz what is null routed
20:11 CWz VanessaE?
20:16 VanessaE null-routed basically means they unplugged the cable.
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