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00:05 est31 http://wiki.minetest.net/Mese
00:05 est31 "Mese actually means "msn messenger" in Finland and is used as a silly word (it sounds silly) in the ohjelmointiputka programming community. Additionally it is thought that the glasses of the emoticons 8) and 8D are "mese glasses".   "
00:06 est31 lol the clone of a microsoft product has an ore named after another microsoft product
00:07 Zaitabai Yeah, I googled it and found the wiki.
00:08 Zaitabai Since I'm not working till friday, Imma ogle so much lua code, and godot code, and models.
00:14 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Add two missing directories to doxygen 196975b http://git.io/vGoja (2015-09-02T02:13:47+02:00)
00:14 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Don't add line number to comment when running updatepo.sh 94961b3 http://git.io/vGojV (2015-09-02T01:34:37+02:00)
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07:52 wilkgr Can't wait till Saturday
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08:03 nrzkt ?
08:03 wilkgr Birthday on saturday :D
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13:06 oats just noticed the website update, very nice job!
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13:12 oats also, latest version (0.4.12) from the Arch repos is failing with a big scary error:
13:13 oats https://ptpb.pw/b69-
13:13 oats https://ptpb.pw/b69-
13:13 oats oops
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13:16 RealBadAngel oats, better build from sources
13:16 RealBadAngel see first two lines of your  crash report...
13:16 oats RealBadAngel: fwiw, minetest-leveldb-git fails with a segmentation fault and no other errors
13:16 oats RealBadAngel: oh, didn't notice that
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13:20 nrzkt oats: there is already an issue
13:20 nrzkt oats: it's a bug due to irrlicht
13:20 oats nrzkt: ok, thanks
13:20 oats I'll just try regular minetest-git
13:21 nrzkt oats: rollback to irrlicht 1.8.1 on your arch. If you don't find package look at the archlinux rollback machine
13:21 nrzkt this won't fix the problem
13:21 oats nrzkt: alrighty, thanks
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13:21 nrzkt using source don't fix, even if you use irrlicht 1.8.2 and compile, i tested it yesterday, it's a huge bug with rirlicht
13:21 nrzkt i think this should be tell upsteam on arch
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14:16 harrison a veterinary oncologist treating a porcupine with stage 4 cancer must remember that, while a cure is not possible, it is still important to maximise the patient's quillity of life
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14:21 JohnnyComeL8ly harrison: Is that supposed to be a joke?
14:22 SylvieLorxu I find it interesting people would consider this a joke, but would probably think this is serious if it said "human" instead of "porcupine"
14:22 harrison the "joke" or humor-meme can be seen as an expression of contempt for others
14:22 harrison others who do not originate memes
14:23 harrison edward snowden, jared fogle and a shetland pony walk into a bar
14:23 SylvieLorxu I, what
14:23 SylvieLorxu Okay, yes, go on
14:23 harrison the bartender looks at the pony and says
14:23 harrison "why are you hanging out with THESE guys? they are not even part of the punchline!"
14:24 harrison edward snowden asks "what punch line?
14:24 harrison "
14:24 harrison the bartender continues
14:24 harrison "well, there must be a virus going around...
14:25 harrison I AM A LITTLE HOARSE TODAY MYSELF"
14:27 JohnnyComeL8ly lol, and your last one was pretty good too, I just wasn't sure whether you had misspelled "quality" or not.
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14:46 everamzah what is an ideal setting for num_emerge_threads?  if my cpu reads four cores, should i set it to 4?  does setting it to 0 make it unlimited?
14:47 nrzkt it depend of your backend
14:47 nrzkt i think using 2 threads is sufficient else you will have many locks between serverthread and the emergethread pool
14:48 swift110-phone Hey all
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14:52 swift110-phone Hey
14:53 everamzah the backend is leveldb
14:53 everamzah thank u for the tip
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15:06 JohnnyComeL8ly swift110-phone: Hello...?
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15:26 Zsolt Hey guys!
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15:27 Yellowberry How's it been?
15:27 Yellowberry I recently got the legal version of Minetest on Android.
15:27 Yellowberry The controls could use some work, but it's a cool concept
15:28 Zaitabai legal version of minetest?
15:31 DusXMT Zaitabai: Distributing modified (L)GPL'd software without source code is illegal, and there's people who do that with Minetest on Android
15:32 DusXMT But I don't think actually using such a thing is illegal, since it's the distributor violating the license, not the user
15:35 Megaf Oh dear, I have installed Hybrids dog Nether mod on my server and now I'm stuck in the Nether. How to I get back to the surface?
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15:36 Zaitabai Wouldn't there be a portal, or a way to build one?
15:37 Megaf I think I have to build one
15:37 Megaf but I don't quite understand that]
15:37 Megaf I think I will be stuck there forecer then :P
15:39 Zaitabai How did you build the portal in the first place? maybe look on the forums and ask the mod creator?
15:39 Megaf !server Megaf
15:39 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/11, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
15:39 Megaf Zaitabai: the portal to get there is easy, just obisidan
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15:49 H-H-H megaf as far as i know its the same portal to get back
15:49 H-H-H you just go in from the nether side instead of the world side
15:52 swift110-phone How r u johnny
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16:15 JohnnyComeL8ly swift110-phone: I'm doing alright, I suppose. :-)
16:18 swift110-phone Good johnny
16:18 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm a little depressed after reading about the affects of drugs and alcohol in the TX drivers course.... :-/
16:20 JohnnyComeL8ly Not that I do those things, it just is sickening, reading all the nitty-gritties of how it damages people.
16:20 swift110-phone Oh sorry
16:20 swift110-phone Yes i know how that is
16:27 JohnnyComeL8ly MyLittleBrother - "John, Windows won't work....
16:28 JohnnyComeL8ly "
16:29 JohnnyComeL8ly So, I went to the desk, only to find that someone had unplugged the monitor, and logged out....
16:44 JohnnyComeL8ly I like Linux better, but that things like that are the reason 7 Geek Squad exists. :-D
16:45 * JohnnyComeL8ly wishes that the text would be able to be seen easier before being typed.
16:49 JohnnyComeL8ly Right now, I'm trying out the 4c8o1l0o5r messages!
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16:50 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, Robert_Zenz.
16:51 Robert_Zenz JohnnyComeL8ly, Hi.
16:52 JohnnyComeL8ly Has anyone ever found a Nyan cat in the "official" MT game, while exploring?
16:56 Teckla JohnnyComeL8ly: I think I did.  I saw a whole line of those rainbow colored blocks followed by a single cat block thingie.
16:57 Teckla (If I recall correctly)
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16:59 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, only underground
16:59 Calinou by default
16:59 Calinou (for unknown reasons, probably so that they are even harder to find)
16:59 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, 04did you say color?
16:59 Teckla Or perhaps I don't know what you guys are talking about  :P
17:00 Calinou 08Microsoft Works 97
17:01 JohnnyComeL8ly That's the irony... MS doesn't work...(as in, it doesn't Excel). :-D
17:02 JohnnyComeL8ly Teckla: Yeah, that's what I was talking about....
17:03 Teckla JohnnyComeL8ly: OK, in this case, yep, I came across one
17:03 Teckla My daughter had to explain to me that the line of rainbow blocks was its flying trail or something.
17:03 Teckla (I dunno what a Nyan cat is.)
17:03 JohnnyComeL8ly Yay, point for Teckla!
17:03 JohnnyComeL8ly ;-)
17:03 Teckla My daughter loves Minetest
17:03 Teckla :)
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17:04 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, at least it doesn't cost you...
17:04 JohnnyComeL8ly like some other game....
17:04 Teckla We both have Minecraft too, heh.  Each has its pros and cons
17:05 JohnnyComeL8ly One being speed....
17:05 Calinou Minecraft is faster than Minetest
17:05 Calinou but Minecraft subjugates its users, whereas Minetest empowers them.
17:05 Teckla Ya?  Other than start up time, I haven't noticed a big performance difference between the two
17:05 Xenoth Calinou: I cannot run Minecraft on its lowest settings on my laptop. Minetest runs at a good 25FPS.
17:05 Calinou Xenoth, on any decently fast PC, Minecraft 1.8/1.9 will largely beat Minetest
17:05 Calinou they optimized the client a lot
17:06 Calinou and Minetest got slower too... the server part is rather bloated now
17:06 Xenoth Ah, I only ever played older MC.
17:06 JohnnyComeL8ly I guess I'm in the same boat....
17:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, I'd rather be 3empowered!
17:07 Teckla Before mods, Minecraft vanilla is probably more interesting than Minetest.  (At least, that's what my daughter tells me)
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17:07 rubenwardy Teckla, Minetest is meant to be modded
17:07 JohnnyComeL8ly lol
17:08 rubenwardy whereas Minecraft isn't
17:08 Teckla Yep, I have no problem with that, just reporting what my daughter tells me  :)
17:08 rubenwardy ie: we want you to play with mods
17:08 rubenwardy whereas MC is happy for you to play without mods
17:08 JohnnyComeL8ly Most will just take a surface look and judge after that.
17:08 Calinou we try to make minetest_game as enjoyable as possible
17:08 rubenwardy I disagree with this philosophy however
17:08 Calinou but people keep viewing it as bare Fedora
17:09 Calinou (it's often said that nobody uses Fedora as-is, and that everyone uses RPMFusion, no matter how bad it might be)
17:09 Calinou likewise, many Minetest mods are really of poor quality, but we can't stop people from using them :)
17:09 Calinou (specifically, I wish mods were more... modular)
17:09 Teckla If you want to capture the "it just works" / "kids" market, fleshing about vanilla Minetest with animals, villages, villagers, Mesecons, etc. would go quite a long way.
17:09 Calinou I agree about mobs, but it's been years we want a mobs mod that doesn't suck
17:10 Teckla s/fleshing about/fleshing out/
17:10 Calinou we need someone to make an entirely new mob API, not using simple_mobs
17:10 Teckla Calinou: Ah, just waiting for the right mobs mod to come along, eh?
17:10 Calinou with a small set of mobs that has consistent looks, and good balance
17:10 Calinou yes mostly
17:10 Teckla Ah.
17:10 Calinou if the mod is good, it has high chances of being merged to minetest_game really
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17:10 Calinou simple_mobs isn't suitable, it has too many bugs
17:10 JohnnyComeL8ly Ooh....
17:10 Calinou like mobs not jumping when they should, or them sticking on ceilings
17:11 Calinou (happens frequently with Carbone Mobs, my fork, and no idea how to fix it)
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17:11 JohnnyComeL8ly Ow...
17:11 Teckla My daughter has been pestering me to write some Minetest mods.  (I'm a Java software developer by day...  please don't hate me)
17:11 Teckla I guess I'd need to learn Lua
17:11 troller write java vm on lua
17:11 JohnnyComeL8ly Java just isn't C/C++ but it isn't evil.... :-P
17:12 Teckla troller: haha
17:12 Teckla Before Java, I programmed C for ... many decades  :)
17:12 Robert_Zenz Teckla, as also a Java developer, I can tell you, it is easy. But you have to give up your neat little objects for the most part.
17:13 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/
17:13 Teckla Robert_Zenz: It looks like Lua's tables let you construct ad hoc objects pretty easily
17:13 JohnnyComeL8ly That is way too impractical... a script language making a vm for another script language.
17:13 rubenwardy is obviously the best guide
17:13 Teckla rubenwardy: Thank you, I'll check that out
17:14 Robert_Zenz Teckla, yeah, kinda. it is not exactly the same, but quite close.
17:15 * Teckla was pretty amazed when he discovered Minetest and how good it is
17:16 Robert_Zenz Teckla, if you want some code to read, you could look into my utils mod, I tried my best to keep it easily readable: https://github.com/RobertZenz/m​inetest-australopithecus-utils
17:16 Teckla VanessaE may in fact be my daughter's first non-family role model  :)
17:16 Teckla Robert_Zenz: Thanks!
17:16 Zaitabai Finally, some resources. Thanks guys.
17:24 CWz VanessaE is role model
17:24 JohnnyComeL8ly Yeah.
17:25 JohnnyComeL8ly rubenwardy: The docs look very helpful... I downloaded them to my webserver for reference. (Thanks for the mentioning.)
17:26 Teckla Currently my daughter is having a blast with the Mesecons mod I installed yesterday
17:26 Teckla She lured me into a Mesecons-powered trap
17:26 Teckla And she built an elaborate house using VanessaE's home decor mod
17:27 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, did you just use /home ?
17:27 Teckla You Minetest devs and modders really do rock.  :)
17:27 Teckla JohnnyComeL8ly: Never used that command, heh.
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17:28 JohnnyComeL8ly Teckla: /sethome makes /home usable.
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17:37 Teckla JohnnyComeL8ly: Ah, thanks
17:38 JohnnyComeL8ly Teckla: No problem.
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17:43 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, kaeza.
17:44 kaeza greetings
17:45 kaeza rubenwardy: around?
17:45 rubenwardy yep
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17:51 JohnnyComeL8ly Quick Q for y'all... How/when does Poison Ivy decide when to grow upon a wall?
17:51 rubenwardy !mod poison ivy
17:51 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Poison ivy [poisonivy] by VanessaE - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=1834
17:51 rubenwardy that one?
17:52 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, it looks just like that....
17:53 JohnnyComeL8ly It is on the LinuxGaming.us MT server.
17:54 JohnnyComeL8ly There is a mod, poisonivy, on there. (I determined that through /mods .)
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18:08 Megaf !mod Nether
18:08 MinetestBot Megaf: Nether [nether] by PilzAdam - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5790
18:08 Megaf !mod Nether Hybrid Dog
18:08 MinetestBot ValueError: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/json/decoder.py", line 361, in raw_decode)
18:09 rubenwardy !mod Nether Hybrid Dog
18:09 MinetestBot ValueError: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/json/decoder.py", line 361, in raw_decode)
18:09 rubenwardy !mod Nether HybridDog
18:09 MinetestBot ValueError: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/json/decoder.py", line 361, in raw_decode)
18:15 Megaf H-H-H: That is the problem, there is no portal
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18:16 Megaf Fantastic, Megaf Server's owner stuck in the Nether in it's own server.
18:17 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info
18:17 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (7ms)
18:18 Zaitabai M-may I laugh now sir?
18:18 H-H-H turn clipping of and fly up?
18:20 Megaf It teleports me back to Nether
18:22 CWz there is a chat command to escape the nether
18:23 CWz i think the chat command is from_hell
18:23 Zaitabai I nether thought I'd see the day.
18:23 Megaf CWz: it worked, thanks
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18:31 Megaf CWz: anyone can use that command?
18:32 CWz it requires a priv
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18:40 Zaitabai Just started modding minetest_game. I made a block. >Lvl Up!<
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19:54 FreeFull Minetest segfaults for me straight away when I try to run it ):
19:55 Robert_Zenz FreeFull, you don't happen to see this bug: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3130
19:55 Amaz FreeFull, try downgrading Irrlicht.
19:56 FreeFull Robert_Zenz: Seems to be exactly that bug
19:56 Robert_Zenz FreeFull, ar, let me rephrase that: Could it be this bug that you're seeing...
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20:02 FreeFull Robert_Zenz: It is
20:11 j0el I am brand new to this,,  My grandson wants to play minecraft and after looking around this seems to be better.  I am on OSX 10.10.5 (Yosemite).  I downloaded and installed minetest. no problem.  It seems to run fine.  But I cannot seem to install the tutorial properly.  I first installed per the directions to $HOME/.minetest, but it was not picked up.  So I moved the tutorial directory to games/ in the app.  That seems to be f
20:11 j0el I was not sure where to put the tutorial_world so I created a world in the game and found it in /Users/jberman/Library/Application Support/minetest/worlds and put it there.  Seems to work fine, but was wondering if I am making too hard or if the instructions need to be updated.  Anyway, thanks for what looks to be an amazing game.
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20:17 STHGOM that sound like a good way to do it
20:18 STHGOM that worked, right?
20:19 STHGOM i think .minetest would be hidden, btw
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20:41 j0el Yes, it worked fine.  and .minetest is hidden, but not that hidden.  Also people may not know that they have to enable the right click on OSX in preferences.
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22:49 JohnnyComeL8ly Goodbye, everyone.
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