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00:51 STHGOM is there no way to drop things if you have item_drop installed?
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00:55 VanessaE don't use item_drop
00:55 VanessaE use item_tweaks
00:55 VanessaE it works far better
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01:09 iio7 I am getting a strange result when trying to compile 0.4.13: http://pastebin.com/XamnyFBA
01:09 Jordach >china may be using sea to hide it's submarines
01:09 Jordach hah
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01:18 STHGOM um, what is item_tweaks supposed to do?
01:18 VanessaE it does the same as item_drop
01:18 VanessaE you just have to add the mod, enable it, and configure it
01:19 STHGOM configure?
01:19 VanessaE enable_item_drops = false
01:19 VanessaE enable_item_pickup = true
01:19 VanessaE remove_items = 600
01:19 VanessaE put these in your minetest.conf
01:19 VanessaE change as desired.
01:20 iio7 I don't get this, will not compile properly.
01:21 VanessaE compiles fine for me
01:21 STHGOM 600 seconds?
01:21 VanessaE yeah, 10 mins
01:22 VanessaE I forget what the default is
01:22 iio7 Yeah, on another box it does too, but on this box (both having the same OS), it will not. But no errors are given, looks just like this: http://pastebin.com/XamnyFBA and it takes about 5 seconds.
01:23 STHGOM k thanks V
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01:35 kahrl_ iio7: you need a -DBUILD_SERVER=1
01:40 iio7 kahrl_, thanks, I thought the client 0/1 was enough.
01:41 kahrl_ nah they're separate and BUILD_SERVER defaults to off, so if you say -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 then neither will be built
01:42 iio7 kahrl_, thanks! Saved my night! ;)
01:42 kahrl_ np :)
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02:19 rater193 hi VanessaE
02:20 VanessaE hi
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02:41 Putz3000 hey guys, question for you all. I am running Fedora 22 and minetest 0.4.12. The .13 release looks pretty sweet (I have it on my eOS) installs but can't figure out how to upgrade my fedora box. What is the easiest way to get past the repo problem and upgrade to .13?
02:44 swift110-phone Hey
02:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Hi, rater193.
02:48 JohnnyComeL8ly afk, just wanted to say Hi when i saw ya'.
02:49 JohnnyComeL8ly (My little brother is playing on my PC....
02:49 JohnnyComeL8ly )
03:02 swift110-phone Cool
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03:15 rater193 sry, i was afk
03:15 rater193 im back!
03:15 rater193 hello JohnnyComeL8ly
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03:17 rater193 hello GunshipPenguin !
03:29 Putz3000 hey guys, question for you all. I am running Fedora 22 and minetest 0.4.12. The .13 release looks pretty sweet (I have it on my eOS) installs but can't figure out how to upgrade my fedora box. What is the easiest way to get past the repo problem and upgrade to .13?
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03:41 GunshipPenguin Putz3000, you could compile it yourself
03:42 swift110-phone Hey
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05:23 DI3HARD139 how does durability work in minetest?
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06:15 EndymionM Silly question - how do I deactivate a piece of minetest-game for a specific world, like, say, give_initial_stuff?
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06:22 GunshipPenguin EndymionM, I don't believe that's possible without removing the mod that you want to disable from the minetest_game/mods directory
06:29 EndymionM GunshipPenguin: Dang. It'd be nice to have that option
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09:00 Calinou http://www.minetest.net/
09:00 Calinou new site is up
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10:14 technics_ huhu - is its possible to send servermessages from the terminal?
10:18 Calinou technics_, no
10:19 technics_ oh, okey...thanks for your answer :)
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10:43 kahrl_ technics_: you might be interested in https://github.com/est31/mi​netest/tree/ncurses-console
10:44 DusXMT The new site looks kinda... kinda
10:48 DusXMT I mean, it's not bad, but it just looks tasteless
11:01 technics_ kahrl_, looks interesting, thankyou :)
11:02 Calinou DusXMT, needs moar background colors :)
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11:50 kilbith so, VanessaE, as we are fetching the private stuff...
11:51 kilbith don't you want to share your opinions you hold about muslims and your little provocations against christians ?
11:51 kilbith (as the jewish you are, that is)
11:53 VanessaE from off-topic-for-minetest-dev to totally-off-topic-for-anything......
11:53 VanessaE that's supposed to bother me somehow?  my opinions about bible-thumping christians and extremist muslims are well-known.
11:53 kilbith ah, you initiated that stuff...
11:54 kilbith not just extremists :)
11:54 VanessaE no, YOU did by going on personal attacks for months now
11:54 kilbith come on, don't be an hypocrite/liar in public
11:54 kilbith also,
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11:54 VanessaE ok let's see...  "incompetent", "hypocrite", "liar", ...what else?
11:55 VanessaE why don't you just throw the entire G*d damned thesaurus at the channel and get it all over with
11:55 kilbith should i mention you're yourself parasiting your country to live behind the excuse of "disabling" ?
11:55 VanessaE and now "parasite"
11:55 VanessaE heh.
11:55 kilbith but meanwhile eating ton of fat/junky food for getting bigger and more immobile...
11:55 VanessaE go ahead, kilbith.  keep digging that hole.
11:56 kilbith see how it's harming, isn't it ?
11:56 VanessaE nope.
11:56 VanessaE doesn't bother me at all.
11:56 kilbith sure, you keep your pride
11:57 kilbith come on, share us your opinions about regular muslims living in Israel...
11:58 kilbith the badass one you hold in PM
11:59 VanessaE go right ahead and say it if you want.
11:59 VanessaE you think you're something special because you can regurgitate opinions that have already been expressed somewhere a lot more public than this IRC, that's fine by me.
11:59 kilbith yeah, what i expected
11:59 kilbith no balls to express them publicly
12:00 VanessaE or perhaps I just don't remember which comment you're even talking about.
12:02 kilbith there's an old christian quote saying :
12:02 kilbith "before pointing the speck in your neighbor's eye, removes the beam that is in your own eye"
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12:05 VanessaE yeah and perhaps you should adhere to it, if you're gonna quote it.
12:06 kilbith you reached first the private sphere in public for (trying to) humiliate me
12:06 VanessaE you started this attack months ago, I don't even remember how it got started, and thus far I have refrained from saying anything beyond basically telling you to knock it off.
12:06 VanessaE until today, that is.
12:06 kilbith and now fetching excuses, as usual
12:07 VanessaE and well you SHOULD be humiliated.  you've been a total asshole toward me for months, and others are starting to say the same things as well.
12:07 kilbith the chronology of your acting does not lie at least
12:07 kilbith i was critizing always in the context of Minetest, unlike you
12:08 VanessaE you were not criticizing.
12:08 VanessaE you were *attacking*
12:08 VanessaE there's a BIG difference between the two
12:08 kilbith in the VanessaE's head, criticize a mod == personal attack
12:09 kilbith i never, ever fetched some detail of your private life publicly
12:09 VanessaE I don't know about where you live, but where I'm from, words such as "incompetent" are considered personal attacks
12:10 kilbith i don't remember saying that to you
12:10 kilbith but sure, i was harsh a lot about dreambuilder
12:10 VanessaE I'm not even talking about that.
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12:11 VanessaE (though I don't remember for sure what that particular insult was aimed at)
12:11 kilbith i really don't remember where i said that
12:11 VanessaE again, for months now - since at least mid-May - you have been attacking me every chance you get.  and you STILL haven't explained what started that.
12:11 kilbith but it it was, it was in the context of MT
12:11 kilbith but if*
12:12 kilbith i didn't think you're incompetent at everything
12:12 DusXMT 13:50 < kilbith> so, VanessaE, as we are fetching the private stuff...
12:12 DusXMT 13:51 < kilbith> don't you want to share your opinions you hold about muslims  and your little provocations against christians ?
12:12 DusXMT Doesn't seem to MT-context to me...
12:13 DusXMT s/to/too/
12:16 VanessaE kilbith: so you tell me, then -- at what point did YOu expect me to just tell you to go fuck yourself, or something equivalent?
12:17 DusXMT VanessaE: Most IRC clients have an ignore functionality, if he's getting on your netves, then simply say goodbye and you won't see a message from him ever again, I had to block someone like that already...
12:17 VanessaE DusXMT: I'm quite aware, but I don't generally like using /ignore.  causes me to miss parts of an otherwise legit conversation.
12:17 kilbith you can freely insult me without i take offense, really
12:18 kilbith but something i don't tolerate is violating my private life
12:18 * VanessaE watches as kilbith sidesteps two questions in a row.
12:18 kilbith you started first, the chronology shows it
12:18 VanessaE how?
12:19 kilbith oh lol
12:19 VanessaE what did I say back in May that started you down this ridiculous path?
12:19 kilbith in minetest-dev
12:19 kilbith unless you're twisting the reality of your needs
12:20 rubenwardy Mummy, why are you and daddy fighting?
12:20 kilbith s/of/for
12:20 VanessaE rubenwardy: heh
12:20 kilbith DusXMT: not your business, and who's the hell are you even ?
12:21 VanessaE kilbith: again, what did I say BACK IN MAY (or whenever it was) that started you down this ridiculous path?
12:22 DusXMT kilbith: Who am I? A minetest player, who plays with some of VanessaE's mods. And this _is_ a public chatroom, I think you're forgetting
12:22 kilbith you started to refer about my mother and so on
12:22 VanessaE wat
12:27 kilbith that's nice to represent me as a mollusk living at the expense of his mother and then saying "i don't care of your feelings"
12:28 VanessaE again, for the n'th time,
12:28 kilbith without even knowing my situation
12:28 VanessaE kilbith: again, what did I say __BACK IN MAY__ (or whenever it was) that started you down this ridiculous path?
12:28 kilbith you did say what
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12:29 kilbith you're yourself living at the expense of your country so your remark is quite misplaced
12:30 VanessaE the small amount of money I make from my disability, I PAID for while working.
12:30 VanessaE I earned every last penny I get.
12:30 kilbith and i'm not backbiter about some religions, unlike certains
12:32 kilbith you're not even aware that i work
12:33 kilbith nor do i participate to the expenses at home
12:33 kilbith just guessing from 8000 km away
12:34 VanessaE I'm going by what you've explicitly said in the past.
12:34 kilbith in a very assertive manner
12:34 VanessaE yep.
12:35 VanessaE I could have been a lot worse.  instead I chose to respond with a force I perceived to be equal to the worst you've thrown at me over these past months.
12:36 kilbith you could have retort still in the MT context
12:37 VanessaE I responded to an offtopic comment with an offtopic comment.
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12:37 VanessaE [08-30 06:48] <kilbith> seem like you have no real life <--- not even slightly minetest relaetd.
12:37 VanessaE related*
12:37 kilbith only difference : "seem like"; you, you're purely fetching assertively my private stuff
12:38 kilbith that's fundamental
12:38 VanessaE you also need to learn a few more euphemisms.  "this from the guy that ...X" is polite way of calling you a hypocrite.
12:38 kilbith but well, i'm sure you'll find some excuses again
12:40 VanessaE (for those in here that aren't in -dev, that's right after him saying, [08-30 06:48] <kilbith> your problem, commenting on everything with a low-relevance )
12:40 VanessaE my comments are rarely of low-relevance.
12:40 VanessaE if they were, someone besides you would say so.
12:40 kilbith ... in the context of Minetest, not your damn private life
12:41 kilbith in France, it is an offense punishable by law
12:41 kilbith if we shared the same legislation, i'd have rights to sue you
12:42 VanessaE and were you in the US< I could sue you for harassment.
12:42 kilbith for harassment about what ?
12:42 VanessaE you have been harassing me and insulting me every chance you get for months now, for no reason whatsoever
12:42 nrzkt in US we could sue about anything.
12:42 kilbith "he attacked me saying my textures looks terrible"
12:42 kilbith lol
12:43 nrzkt can you stop this here and go in PM ? it's not a battleground, it's minetest channel and it seems that your conversation is not MT related
12:43 VanessaE nrzkt: true enough.  sad thing is, so many lawsuits win without much ground. :P
12:43 kilbith oh yeah, saying "your game is bloated" is an obnoxious insult
12:45 VanessaE look, I'm not going to go digging through my logs and scouring github et al. to find shit that you've been saying.
12:45 VanessaE and you STILL haven't explained what started this.
12:46 kilbith in your head you mean ?
12:46 kilbith https://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/Psychological_projection
12:48 kilbith and i'm even forced to lowering my rhetoric by using your simplistic language...
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13:07 Piggybear87 Are there any forum mods/admins here?
13:08 VanessaE Piggybear87: what do you need?
13:08 Piggybear87 I can't get into my account.
13:08 VanessaE uh oh.
13:08 VanessaE Calinou: ^^^^ another side effect of the domain tweak?
13:08 Piggybear87 Yeah, and I don't have the email I had when I signed up.
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13:09 Piggybear87 moontest? I just noticed that. Are we a new game now?
13:09 VanessaE nope
13:09 VanessaE just a new website design
13:09 VanessaE with some data coming from a github.io page I think
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13:10 VanessaE hm, my login works
13:10 Piggybear87 But why moontest? Lol. You could do that with Minetest.net.
13:10 VanessaE where do you see moontest at?
13:10 Piggybear87 In the url bar.
13:10 Piggybear87 "moontest.org"
13:10 VanessaE nope, works fine here.  minetest.net --> http://www.minetest.net/
13:11 VanessaE OH
13:11 VanessaE that's OldCoder's forum copy
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13:11 VanessaE you don't want that one, you want forum.minetest.net
13:12 Piggybear87 Oh. I clicked on a googled mod topic and it sent me there... Sorry, I didn't notice.
13:12 VanessaE heh
13:13 Piggybear87 Thank you, VanessaE.
13:13 VanessaE you're welcome.  not that I did anything :)
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13:30 rubenwardy any ideas? https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/c2865739e8368ab592f0
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13:32 rubenwardy what happens if you push_back whilst iterating through a std::vector?
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13:36 nore <rubenwardy> what happens if you push_back whilst iterating through a std::vector? <-- something bad
13:37 rubenwardy yeah, I think that's my problem
13:37 nore it can invalidate the iterator
13:44 rubenwardy no crashes yet, so I guess I fixed it
13:44 VanessaE heh
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14:05 CWz hello VanessaE
14:05 VanessaE hey
14:14 Piggybear87 Away for a bot.
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14:15 * VanessaE wonders which bot Piggybear went off to see ;)
14:34 VanessaE bbl
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16:25 luizrpgluiz hi all
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16:29 freelikegnu is there a channel for minetest servers running the irc mod?
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16:56 CWz there is inchra irc server which is full of irc connected servers
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18:00 TheWild "Automatic merge failed; fix conflicts and then commit the result". It seems to be easier to remove the fork, then fork Minetest again.
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18:13 TheWild what is server_unload_unused_data_timeout
18:15 Calinou how much the server will wait before unloading unused MapBlocks
18:15 Calinou higher value is smoother, but will use more RAM
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18:18 TheWild thank you
18:19 TheWild I'll put your definition to the sample config, ok?
18:19 Calinou yes, in a comment
18:20 Calinou it's already in minetest.conf.example
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18:32 TheWild nope, there was an option without explanation
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19:08 reber hi all
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19:34 notrobot hello
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19:35 VanessaE hi,
19:36 notrobot anyone got a loaded server i can deploy, community favorite mods and so forth included, im on linux
19:40 Calinou notrobot, just install Carbone NG and play :)
19:40 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=12824
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19:44 ensonic hej, a friend of my kid showed him how to use TNT and placed a stack of ~20 TNT blocks, now when we get near this stash the TNT goes boom and the game crashes (https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/658)
19:44 ensonic any idea how to fix the world and remove the TNT blocks?
19:44 ensonic I've tried worldedit, but it seems to have a different understanding of positions :/
19:45 VanessaE delete the TNT mod
19:45 VanessaE start the world
19:45 VanessaE remove the "unknown node" blocks
19:45 VanessaE well you can just disable TNT
19:46 notrobot Calinou thanks!
19:46 VanessaE in any case do that. and leave it disabled.
19:48 ensonic VanessaE, I did not install any tnt mod, I think it is part of the minetest game
19:48 notrobot will this carbone have minecarts and redstone type things?
19:48 ensonic aha, /usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/tnt
19:48 VanessaE ensonic: that's correct.
19:49 VanessaE ensonic: but you can disable it in your minetest.conf
19:49 * ensonic searches for the config docs
19:49 Calinou enable_tnt = false, ensonic
19:49 ensonic good to know, in the gui menu i cannot disable it
19:49 ensonic Calinou, thanks!
19:50 VanessaE thanks, Calinou
19:50 VanessaE couldn't remember the setting.
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19:57 iio7 I am having some problems compiling Minetest on Alpine Linux. I get the following "Could NOT find CURL (missing:  CURL_LIBRARY CURL_INCLUDE_DIR)", but Curl is installed. How do I fix that?
19:57 notrobot the readme says ;To use this game with Minetest, insert this repository as   /games/minetest_game
19:57 notrobot where is this supposed to go?
19:57 Calinou iio7, which "version" of cURL? openssl, gnutls?
19:57 Calinou there are various builds of cURL around
19:57 Calinou notrobot, ~/.minetest/games/minetest_game on GNU/Linux
19:57 Calinou on Windows, same folder as Minetest installation
19:57 notrobot ty
19:58 iio7 curl -V gives me "curl 7.42.1 (i486-alpine-linux-musl) libcurl/7.42.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2d zlib/1.2.8 libssh2/1.5.0"
19:59 Calinou perhaps create an issue on GitHub, or on forum
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20:02 notrobot when i go to start a new game it should show up under game as Carbon-ng correct?
20:11 ensonic VanessaE, thanks, everything good again
20:11 VanessaE ensonic: you're welcome
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22:00 Zaitabai And aye yi yi will always mine you!
22:01 Zaitabai There are people here, very few people, on the ground...
22:03 Zaitabai Are there any good video/pdf tutorials on how to start making/modding a game in minetest? Thanks to anyone who answers.
22:12 sofar Zaitabai: read the lua_api.txt, and read other mods' code
22:13 Zaitabai Thanks, I'm guessing that lua_api.txt comes with minetest and that the code can be viewed with notepad++
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22:17 sofar Zaitabai: it's in github, and yes, it's plain txt :^)
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23:25 OldCoder https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=47&amp;t=13148
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23:26 OldCoder cornernote, ruskie, Jordach, VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=47&amp;t=13148
23:42 Jordach wow
23:42 Jordach just saw the new minetest.net
23:42 VanessaE inb4 "hate it"
23:42 VanessaE :)
23:42 Jordach is gud
23:59 hmmmm "meet minetest"?
23:59 hmmmm is minetest a person or something?
23:59 hmmmm i feel as if this is trying way too hard to be hip and web 3.0

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