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00:00 Sketch2 Out`Of`Control something like this - http://pastebin.com/SXVyrrmb
00:02 Sketch2 I can't test it here, so let me know if it throws any errors
00:05 Out`Of`Control how do i know if it loads?
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00:06 Sketch2 oh, put it in your moreblocks dir
00:07 Sketch2 then add    dofile(modpath .. "/wool_alias.lua")    to the moreblocks  init.lua
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00:15 Out`Of`Control Sketch2:  ok
00:17 Out`Of`Control Sketch2:  i get error on line 72 moreblocks/wool_alias.lua:72: attempt to concatenate a table value
00:17 Out`Of`Control minetest.set_node(pos, {
00:18 Out`Of`Control wrong line oops
00:18 Out`Of`Control minetest.register_alias("moreblocks:slab_wool_" .. color[colorpos] .. "_" .. saw[sawpos], "wool:slab_" .. color[colorpos] .. "_" .. saw[sawpos])
00:19 Sketch2 it's prolly haveing a hard time with the empty spaces
00:20 Sketch2 I can put them into the names and try it that way
00:20 Sketch2 1 sec
00:22 Sketch2 http://pastebin.com/qgKiGi0Q
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00:24 Out`Of`Control same error
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00:28 Sketch2 try on line 67 & 68   local colorpos = 1  and  local sawpos = 1
00:29 Sketch2 I don't know why it would have trouble pieceing together the parts.  maybe it's just starting at the wrong index
00:30 Out`Of`Control ok
00:35 Out`Of`Control Sketch2:  thank you for help, will create register alias, on restart it works without register_alias
00:36 Sketch2 oh, so it fixed itself?
00:40 Out`Of`Control looks like that, but i have to add line once for each block/color
01:03 VanessaE [08-26 15:45] <Out`Of`Control> hi! how do i make wool sawble with latest version of moreblocks? <--- gloopblocks has this.
01:04 Out`Of`Control its a mod/fork?
01:05 VanessaE it's a mod.
01:05 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4019
01:05 Out`Of`Control thanks
01:05 VanessaE it's sort of a "random stuff" mod that I maintain, used to be NekoGloop's/.
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01:14 Out`Of`Control VanessaE:  there is a bug with homedecore modpack, i download latest one, if i place standing/table lamp all of them are white?
01:15 Out`Of`Control i wonder if anyone else has this
01:15 VanessaE lemme check.
01:16 VanessaE I see no problem with them here.
01:17 Out`Of`Control ok
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01:19 Out`Of`Control when i place they turn white
01:21 VanessaE what does the F5 display say when you point at one of them?
01:22 Out`Of`Control correct name
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01:22 Out`Of`Control homedecore:standing_lam_red_off  but its white
01:22 VanessaE and the texture filename shown there?
01:23 Out`Of`Control sec i check with other client
01:23 VanessaE a pink lamp should show:  homedecor:standing_lamp_pink_(whatever brightness, e.g. off) - wool_pink.png^[colorize:#ffffff:0
01:24 Out`Of`Control VanessaE:  i see, i have old client, on that one all are white, on new its good
01:24 Out`Of`Control but server is 0.4.13
01:24 VanessaE ok
01:24 VanessaE server doesn't matter whether they're white or not
01:24 VanessaE that's entirely the client's issue :)
01:26 Out`Of`Control 4.10
01:26 VanessaE that's too old
01:26 VanessaE does 0.4.10 even support mesh nodes at all??
01:26 Out`Of`Control but i have minimap and other cool stuff its freeminer
01:27 VanessaE I don't support freeminer.
01:27 Out`Of`Control haha ok :D
01:27 VanessaE and btw,
01:28 VanessaE mesh nodes were added after 0.4.10 went out.
01:28 Out`Of`Control it do run fast, takes less resources, i get more fps
01:28 Out`Of`Control so i stay with it, until there is better mt client version
01:28 VanessaE (Jan 1, 2014 for the 0.4.10 release, versus Oct 15, 2014 for meshnode drawtype)
01:33 Out`Of`Control it does look more fancy with mesh
01:34 VanessaE of course it does, now you see what it's supposed to look like :)
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02:06 segfault22 aluminium cannot be processed in the furnace like other metals, because it oxidizes at high temperatures in the presence of oxygen... how should I implement aluminium processing?
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02:12 segfault22 nevermind the aluminium processing question, I've figured it out
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02:18 rater193 my internet is getting turned off tomorrow :(\
02:18 rater193 downloading a snapshot of the wiki before it does...
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02:20 rater193 welcome
02:22 segfault22 if you're near a city, chances are you can get a connection through the MeshNet
02:25 segfault22 but you would have to figure out how to install and get working the CJD-NS
02:27 segfault22 even I haven't done that yet, but it's worth a try... especially considering how the global financial ponzi scheme is about to fall apart, society about to descend int ochaos immediately after that and etc...
02:28 VanessaE ...
02:28 rater193 sry, i was afk, im back
02:28 rater193 btw, im nowhere near a city :(
02:29 rater193 1:  i live in florida, 2: i live in the woods
02:29 rater193 2 REALLY horrible statements for getting fast internet
02:29 rater193 decent speeds here average between 4 megabits, to 12 megabits
02:29 rater193 thats just for the download speed
02:29 rater193 for upload, its 0.1, to 0.3 megabits
02:30 rater193 upload speeds are slightly faster than dialup
02:30 rater193 but only just
02:30 segfault22 The internet will no longer exist in a few months, so I hope that we can get that cjdns working
02:31 rater193 right..... and im the president as well....
02:31 rater193 ugh typos
02:32 segfault22 Do you know what the global financial ponzi scheme is
02:32 VanessaE segfault22: whatever you're smoking, stop.
02:32 segfault22 I am not smoking anything
02:33 segfault22 But whoever has faith in the fiat money system is on some really bad prescription drugs
02:33 VanessaE "the internet" is not going away..
02:33 VanessaE a financial crash may indeed happen, but that's a totally different matter.,
02:34 segfault22 Well, all or most of the major routing servers so you can say goodbye to it for the most part. The financial "crash" is but one of many things that are going to happen soon
02:34 VanessaE we'll see.
02:34 VanessaE and "a few" tells me "three to four" months..
02:35 segfault22 First, the markets will lose their value, people will stop buying and selling. Next, the prices for everything (in fiat currency) will go beyond what is sane, until people realize that their fiat money has no real value. Finally, chaos will ensue because all of a sudden, the only source of value is obtaining resources from others - which, for most, means stealing and plundering
02:36 Sketch2 once the internet dies we'll all be psychic, so we won't need it anyway
02:36 Sketch2 so who cares what you say.
02:36 segfault22 It's not just about "what I say"
02:36 Sketch2 you're a nutter.
02:37 segfault22 You just like the pretty illusions don't you?
02:37 Sketch2 there's no sense in spouting doom-and-gloom
02:37 segfault22 It's not "doom", its simply the coming of a new age
02:37 Sketch2 the universe manifexts what you belive in
02:37 Sketch2 if that's what you belive in, then maybe that's what will happen for you
02:38 Sketch2 your intenet may die. and good riddance
02:38 Sketch2 I believe society with thrive no matter what
02:38 Sketch2 because I believe in humanity, thank you
02:39 segfault22 Do you understand the concept of fiat money?
02:39 segfault22 Or are you a cattle like most people
02:39 Sketch2 I understand you are thrying to push some sort of agenda that doesn't relate to this chat room
02:39 Sketch2 so you should take your topic elsewhere
02:39 segfault22 It relates if you are paying attention because we need a network connection to play minetest.
02:40 segfault22 Without a network, we cannot have servers and we cannot get the latest updates
02:40 Sketch2 it relates to your paranoia, and we don't need to hear it
02:40 VanessaE I have a low-end litecoin mining rig.  I'll probably be fine :P
02:40 segfault22 It's not paranoia, it's simply seeing the truth and understanding what is going on in the world right now, which you obviously don't.
02:40 Sketch2 we can all live fine without your BS
02:40 segfault22 This is not bullshit
02:41 segfault22 this is reality
02:41 segfault22 if you don't like it, leave
02:41 Sketch2 reality is what you make of it
02:41 Sketch2 if you surround yourself with such negativity, then bad on you
02:42 segfault22 If you understood what I am talking about, you would know that this is not as much negative as it is positive
02:42 segfault22 but that is beyond your comprehension, I understand that and it's okay
02:42 Sketch2 you're just transitioning back to your agenda because you have nothing better to do
02:42 segfault22 That is a misconception. You know not.
02:43 VanessaE segfault22: classic way to ruin your credibility -- "you don't understand"/"it's beyond your comprehension"
02:43 Sketch2 it doesn't matter what I say, because you will keep coming back with some stupid trivial aspect that doesn't relate to the development of minetest
02:44 segfault22 We need a network -> internet servers need resources to keep working -> with lack of resources they will go down -> no more minetest. Anyone can see that
02:44 Sketch2 unless you have some remedy for these hypotheticals, then you are just part of the problem
02:44 segfault22 If you can't, that is a you problem
02:44 VanessaE and those "resources" will always come from *somewhere*
02:44 segfault22 You can't have new resources without exchange
02:44 VanessaE you are talking about shutting down billions of nodes and hundreds of thousands of routing devices.
02:45 Sketch2 minetest will live on in peoples' hearts
02:45 segfault22 No, I am talking about systemic risk and the interconnected nature of everything, including natural things and man-made things
02:45 VanessaE wat
02:45 segfault22 The nodes will shut themselves down when the power gets turned off
02:46 VanessaE we have the technology *right now* to avoid this
02:46 Out`Of`Control segfault22: you know about freedomtower?
02:46 VanessaE and if shit hits the fan, that tech will come into play pretty damn quick.
02:46 rater193 im back
02:46 Out`Of`Control segfault22: https://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/FreedomTower
02:46 Sketch2 you cannot crush the spirits of the dev's, modders, and players with your nonsensical rant
02:46 VanessaE solar power, wind power, and various ways to manage finite resources; for all we know coal could become the next dollar (it won't).
02:46 rater193 VanessaE: hay! remember me? its been about half a year since i talked to you
02:47 segfault22 It's not about crushing spirit! Gosh you have no sense at all do you?!?
02:47 VanessaE as long as you have electricity, you really DO have everything you need
02:47 VanessaE (because with that, you can farm, cook, desalinate water, generate oxygen and hydrogen for duels, and other stuff needed to survive)
02:47 VanessaE fuels*
02:47 VanessaE hi rater193
02:47 Sketch2 you obviosly don't understand the trinity
02:48 Sketch2 mind, bod and spirit.  what you are talking about is simply destroying something physical
02:48 Sketch2 the body may die, but the intention, the mind has already been set in motion
02:48 Sketch2 the spirit of the program will live on
02:48 segfault22 Yes, people will survive, but most people are stupid and depend on the system in order to survive. Then, when they are presented with the concept that the system can collapse on itself, they turn that head around, push their hands on their ears, close their eyes and go "la la la la la" like how Sketch2 is trying to distract you-all
02:49 Sketch2 you cannot crush that no matter what you say
02:49 Out`Of`Control VanessaE:  as long as you have brains, you can get electricity and rest
02:49 VanessaE Out`Of`Control: yep, pretty much.
02:49 segfault22 I am not trying to crush anything, I simply want everyone to still be here and playing Minetest when the ponzi scheme gets found out
02:49 Out`Of`Control segfault22:  do you run a server?
02:49 VanessaE segfault22: do you even know what a ponzi scheme is?
02:50 segfault22 Smart people will survive and be able to support infrastructure,  I never said that everything will be gone. You just assumed that I did.
02:50 rater193 honistly, its hot hard to generate electricity, just a copper coil around a rotating iron rod, and you can make power!
02:50 VanessaE rater193: well, you
02:50 segfault22 Actually, it's a magnet which is needed to drag the electrons through the coil
02:50 VanessaE rater193: well, you'll need either fuel or an inexhaustible supply of mechanical energy to do that, but that's just wind or water
02:51 VanessaE segfault22: nope.  you can generate power without permanent magnets.
02:51 rater193 yup, back to the old water wheel! :P
02:51 VanessaE a car's alternator does that.
02:51 segfault22 A ponzi scheme is where investors pay money into the schemer's pot, and the money added by new investors is used to pay off the previous ones
02:51 segfault22 You don't need magnets, just a magnetic field... or an electric field, which an alternator has both of
02:52 VanessaE segfault22: that's right, but there's one caveat:  early "investors" are supposed to be able to "cash out" (and in most cases, if they attempt to, there are various ways a ponzi uses to keep them in)
02:52 rater193 btw, where i live there are a TON of fast flowing rivers, and forests, as well as bountiful wildlife, so if the economy would collapse, i would be just fine! idk about the rest of u
02:52 segfault22 gosh y'all are spamming me too much, let up so I can finish replying. Thankfully sketch2 has ragequitted so I don't have a nay-sayer to be conflicting my every words
02:52 VanessaE I'm pretty sure the international money system lacks a "cash out" option.
02:53 * Sketch2 didn't rage quit.  what gives you that idea?
02:53 segfault22 Yes "cash out" as in they are payed back with the money from new investors.
02:53 * segfault22 heard you stop, that is plenty
02:53 * Sketch2 is busy laughing about you with all my people's on Mumble
02:53 VanessaE rater193: exactly.  there are enough renewable natural resources like wind and hydro, and tech to build other stuff like solar, geo, and even nuke power that we will never run out.
02:53 VanessaE segfault22: no, "cash out" as in payed back AND leave the scheme entirely.
02:54 VanessaE not "payed a dividend" which is how most ponzis operate.
02:54 VanessaE (and usually they want you to re-invest)
02:54 segfault22 it doesn't matter if they leave the scheme, they are just investors investing value.
02:54 rater193 well, if the government were to "pay back" all its debt, then the value of the dollar, would go down, and prices for the daily needs would skyrocket
02:54 VanessaE no, the international monetary system does not fit the definition of a ponzi scheme.
02:54 VanessaE is it a scam?  probably
02:54 VanessaE there's certainly a lot of scammy shit going on with financial markets.
02:55 segfault22 The fiat currency we use is the ponzi scheme, because it is based on the promise to pay back debt by making others have more debt
02:55 VanessaE um, no
02:55 segfault22 it is based on the exchange of promissory notes
02:55 segfault22 that exchange for nothing else
02:55 segfault22 yes, "um"
02:56 VanessaE it's based on the exchange of notes that are held to have actual value.  they're only "fiat" because they're not backed by some physical good like gold or whatever.
02:56 VanessaE nearly every last person in the US, for example, holds that a US dollar bill or coin has an intrinsic value of one dollar (even it it doesn't).
02:56 segfault22 They don't "actually" have any value, only the Faith put into them by sheeple who keep using it instead of something which actually has physical value
02:56 VanessaE you don't HAVE to have backing for that to work.
02:57 segfault22 what is the value of a dollar, for example?
02:57 segfault22 take a step back and look how things are connected.
02:57 VanessaE what you DO have to have, however, is controls on inflation and deflation, otherwise that's what'll lead to a crash.
02:57 VanessaE the value of a dollar is whatever a person is willing to part with in exchange for it.
02:57 Sketch2 thought you were all freaking out about how things will be disconnected
02:57 segfault22 Which literally means it is as valuable as their faith in it
02:58 VanessaE whether that's a bottle of soda, 1/1500 of an ounce of gold (I think), or a bag of mushrooms.
02:58 VanessaE if people lose faith in a currency, sure, it'll crash.
02:58 rater193 honistly, fiat money is the way of the future
02:58 rater193 without it, we would not have a lot of the things we have today
02:58 VanessaE so you have to make sure people have no reason to lose faith
02:59 rater193 its what drives most people to get out there and make "tycoons"
02:59 rater193 *most of the ones whom do tycooning
02:59 segfault22 You obviously don't know how the bank works, if you believe that fiat money is better than simply exchanging valuable resources for real promissory notes like before they changed it to all faith-based
02:59 rater193 the fact fiat money lasted this long, i dont see it really ever truely going away
03:00 segfault22 First of all, fiat money is based on nothing. nada. zilch.
03:00 segfault22 Second, the fed is printing money as fast as it can run the machines.
03:00 rater193 its based on the faith that its worth something
03:00 VanessaE let's put it this way:  I need dollars to survive.  I had litecoins until just a couple days ago -- cashed them in for dollars via coinbase.  Now I have gas in my car, I've eaten better for a few days (due to injuries preventing my husband and I from cooking), and we took a nice day trip.
03:00 VanessaE can't do that without dollars.
03:01 segfault22 you know not how the bank works.
03:01 rater193 also, the government will only print out so much at once, so it wont damage the value as much
03:01 rater193 it really only has to print out as much as what gets lost or destroied each year
03:01 segfault22 The federal reserve is not the government. It is as federal as federal express haha
03:01 segfault22 if you think otherwise, you are spamming IRC like an idiot.
03:02 segfault22 They don't have to tell you anything about how they operate because they are a private organization
03:02 * segfault22 watches everyone type more spam and denialism
03:02 rater193 XD
03:02 * segfault22 gets bored and /quit
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03:02 rater193 oh wow... and he left
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03:04 rater193 XD
03:04 rater193 so, how often do chats like that appear on the IRC?
03:04 VanessaE rarely.
03:04 rater193 ah
03:05 VanessaE the monetary system ain't going anywhere anytime soon.  there may be a big crash coming soon, I've seen predictions of the same, but the money will still be there.
03:05 rater193 as long as the government keeps print out money, at the same rate the money gets lost or destroied, we will all be fine
03:05 VanessaE the world saw what happened in the 1920's and back in 2008, and Zimbabwe's hyperinflation (before they switched to whatever the other currency is).  I don't think governments are gonna let that happen again, let alone on a global scale.
03:06 VanessaE exactly.  a caveat to that of course is the money hoarders.
03:06 rater193 yup, for example: bill gates
03:06 VanessaE i.e. the super-billionaires who don't let their money get back into the economy.
03:06 rater193 WHY would anyone need billions of $$$?
03:06 rater193 xD
03:06 VanessaE exactly.
03:07 Out`Of`Control if you are born with billions, what can you do?
03:07 VanessaE if a crash happens, they may be able to ride it out for longer than the average person, but their money would be just as worthless as the poorest schmuck on the stretcorner.
03:07 VanessaE +e
03:07 rater193 agreed
03:07 rater193 if the global economy crashes, i feel sorry for bill gates
03:08 Out`Of`Control lol
03:08 VanessaE heh
03:08 VanessaE if the economy crashes, the poor among us will feel the pinch, hard, but it won't be too much worse than it already was.
03:08 rater193 wearing suits of gold 1 day, and ripped rags the next....
03:09 VanessaE the rich will feel the pinch and suddenly know what it's like to live with almost no money :P
03:09 rater193 the ones who would survive, would be the ones who own their own farms, or know how to hunt/fish
03:09 VanessaE yep - if there's a bad enough crash
03:10 VanessaE and those who are technologically skilled int he basic stuff
03:10 VanessaE (hence the discussion about generating electricity)
03:10 rater193 yup
03:11 VanessaE just think - some day all that 7400-logic I played with 15 years ago will come in handy! :D
03:11 rater193 almost done downloading all the pages on the dev wiki! :D
03:11 rater193 nvm, another 16k pages to go :/
03:11 VanessaE now why IS your internet getting shut off?
03:11 VanessaE cant' afford?
03:11 rater193 because my ISP sent me a message saying that i owe them 250$
03:11 rater193 and i dont have that atm
03:11 VanessaE wat
03:12 rater193 however, ill be back around tuesday
03:12 VanessaE how'd you rack up with a big charge?
03:12 rater193 i didnt
03:12 VanessaE s/with/such/
03:12 rater193 they didnt tell me they changed what they charged
03:12 rater193 and over the past 6-7 months
03:12 VanessaE ohh./
03:12 rater193 it racked up without me knowing
03:12 VanessaE so it's like, they charge $50, you pay $45 or something every month
03:13 rater193 was paying 120$/month now its 150
03:13 VanessaE right
03:13 VanessaE (same diff)
03:13 rater193 NEVER get windstream
03:13 VanessaE I pay $60/mo but I get a good pipe out of it :)
03:13 rater193 they are the only DSL internet i can get where im at
03:13 VanessaE (60-70 Mbps down, 4 up)
03:13 VanessaE b rb
03:13 VanessaE brb
03:13 rater193 k
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03:15 rater193 welcome GunshipPenguin
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03:18 VanessaE thing that bugs me the most is he assumes the conditions that should lead to his predicted few-months-away super crash, can't change/improve
03:19 rater193 if it does end up crashing, it will just build itself back up
03:19 rater193 it will NEVER truely go away
03:19 VanessaE like humanity is just resigned to this fate and we're all screwed because no one can possibly see that "oh shit, we better stop this NOW"..
03:19 VanessaE exactly there's that aspect as well
03:20 VanessaE Star Trek: First Contact.
03:20 rater193 lol
03:20 VanessaE except without the spaceships :)
03:21 rater193 ive watched the entire stargate series, but havnt even seen 1 star trek movie....yet
03:21 rater193 well, looks like i know what ill be watching tonight :P
03:21 VanessaE heh
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03:22 rater193 welcome DI3HARD139
03:22 VanessaE I have the entire series of movies (including the recent JJ Abrams ones) plus Star Trek: The Original Series.
03:22 VanessaE all on blu-ray :)
03:22 DI3HARD139 ty
03:22 rater193 nice
03:22 VanessaE I'm too cheap/poor/stubborn to buy the other series' yet.
03:22 DI3HARD139 ?
03:22 rater193 lol
03:22 rater193 we're talking about star trek
03:22 DI3HARD139 ah
03:23 VanessaE well Star Trek as an analogy to this impending super financial crash segfault22 predicts :)
03:23 rater193 and also, DI3HARD139, aparently due to what this one guy was raging about earlier, our economy will completely crash in a few months
03:23 DI3HARD139 We talking US Economy?
03:23 rater193 the global economy
03:23 VanessaE the whole world economy :P
03:24 VanessaE so stock up on bitcoins, canned soup, and coal :P
03:24 DI3HARD139 I will laugh so hard if it does as everyone owes somebody something
03:24 DI3HARD139 yup :P
03:24 rater193 lol
03:24 rater193 i wish minetest had an official teamspeak, or mumble....
03:25 * Sketch2 runs my own mumble server
03:25 VanessaE DI3HARD139: as one facebook post once read, "the global debt is $xxxx trillion dollars.  Who the fuck does earth owe?  jupiter?!"
03:25 DI3HARD139 Oh that reminds me. Is there an official Minetest twitter? found a twitter profile for it
03:25 VanessaE (where xxxx was somewhere in the $75T range)
03:25 DI3HARD139 lol its true tho
03:26 rater193 earth, oews earth
03:26 rater193 *owes
03:26 rater193 more specifically, its inhabitants :P
03:26 DI3HARD139 reverse that order
03:27 rater193 as if greenhouse gasses isnt enough, apparently we think earth owes us even more than what we ALREADY took from it
03:27 rater193 and the chat died here....
03:28 rater193 or my internet is just lagging.....as usual!
03:28 DI3HARD139 3rd one
03:29 rater193 i hate when i type something, it takes like 5 seconds for it to pop up
03:29 rater193 5k+ ping to the irc server....wow
03:29 rater193 windstream FTW!
03:29 DI3HARD139 satellite?
03:29 rater193 no, thats the sad part
03:30 rater193 and even worse, RIGHT across my street, they serve glass fibre
03:30 rater193 but when i try asking, they told me to just move across the street.....
03:30 DI3HARD139 #gotta love it
03:30 rater193 i was like WHAT THE HELL!
03:30 DI3HARD139 they want you to pay to have it installed
03:30 rater193 im tempted to just set up a relay with one of my neighbors and pay in half with them
03:31 VanessaE rater193: do that and he'll lose his connection.
03:31 rater193 lol
03:31 VanessaE ISPs don't like it when you share with someone else.
03:31 DI3HARD139 ^
03:31 rater193 hmm....
03:31 DI3HARD139 Unless u setup a wifi repeater. Then they wont know lol
03:31 rater193 thats what i was going to do
03:32 rater193 u know what, ill just set up a dish, and point it at their house, im sure it wont look awkward at all!
03:33 DI3HARD139 They dont work well
03:33 DI3HARD139 I tried it. Better off using a VERY high gain wifi antenna with an external amp
03:33 rater193 take it as you've trued?
03:33 rater193 *tryed
03:33 rater193 *tried
03:34 rater193 geesh, typos
03:34 * DI3HARD139 is guilty of it and uses it for his network now :P
03:34 VanessaE get a pringles cantenna :)
03:34 rater193 wow, my internet is slow, i just saw ur message about saying u tried after i posted it
03:34 VanessaE then you can network to someone up to about 15-20 km away :D
03:34 DI3HARD139 Oh I love those. They also make great TV antennas and FM antennas
03:34 rater193 now....to host a minetest server, im sure players wont ragequit at 10k-20k ping!
03:34 VanessaE lol
03:35 DI3HARD139 whos ur ISP?
03:35 rater193 windstream
03:35 rater193 they go trough AT&T
03:35 * DI3HARD139 hates AT&T uverse. I thought comcast customer service was bad....
03:35 rater193 i personally have not had issues when i had comcast a few years back
03:36 rater193 their service was great, and speeds were amazing
03:36 DI3HARD139 I only have issues with the billing sometimes. Mainly since I use my own modem...
03:36 rater193 50-150 MBPSdown
03:36 rater193 and 20-30 up
03:36 rater193 for a home connection, its amazing
03:37 DI3HARD139 yea. I use their 75/10 which gives me a total of 90-91/12-13
03:37 rater193 btw windstream will not let you use your own modem :/
03:37 DI3HARD139 thats 4th party for ya
03:37 rater193 lol
03:37 rater193 brb for a sec
03:37 DI3HARD139 k
03:39 rater193 back
03:39 rater193 anyways, back to making my NPC API
03:39 rater193 and Pathfinding API
03:40 rater193 VenessaE: Are we able to use coroutines properly with minetest?
03:40 VanessaE no idea
03:40 rater193 what about threads
03:40 rater193 are there any ways to run code on their own thread?
03:41 rater193 because i tried to use coroutines yesterday, and they just ran for a split second
03:41 rater193 then when i called os.sleep
03:41 rater193 it just stopped
03:41 rater193 im wanting to make the pathfinding, and tower generation run on their own threads
03:42 DI3HARD139 Vanessa: Do you know if there are any plans to implement cuda/stream support for minetest?
03:42 VanessaE what is that?
03:42 VanessaE sounds like OpenCL?
03:42 DI3HARD139 pretty much
03:42 VanessaE no plans that I'm aware of.
03:43 DI3HARD139 Cuda uses its own platform for computing though it does support OCL
03:45 rater193 btw, is there already an API i can use to create a NPC or do i have to create one?
03:45 rater193 just wondering before i start doing backend work
03:45 VanessaE carbone_mobs might be useful to that end.
03:45 VanessaE or the peaceful_npc mod
03:45 rater193 i ment an official way
03:45 DI3HARD139 Id just use some from from other modpacks
03:45 VanessaE no, nothing official yet.
03:45 rater193 i WAS going to use the NPC Frameworks mod
03:45 rater193 but i decided not to
03:46 rater193 well, if you want, i can write one up that is easy to use, and would work with the default player for the animtions
03:46 rater193 essentially, it would be something like MyNPC = minetest.NPC:new("SomeTexture.png")
03:47 rater193 MyNPC.Events.OnUpdate:connect(function()
03:47 rater193 print("Update function")
03:47 rater193 end
03:47 rater193 )
03:47 rater193 and you could also force fire events like MyNPC.Events.OnUpdate:fire()
03:48 rater193 btw, the minetest variable is a table
03:48 rater193 right?
03:48 rater193 so i can just add streight to it?
03:48 rater193 if so, ill just make my NPCAPI for it that way
03:50 rater193 oh good, it is :)
03:50 rater193 so now all players need to do, is use my NPC API as a dependency, and then they can use minetest.NPC
03:51 * VanessaE shrugs  :)
03:52 * DI3HARD139 is clueless at making mods
03:52 rater193 also, when its done
03:52 rater193 you will be able to do
03:53 rater193 npc:spawn({x=0, y=0, z=y})
03:53 rater193 to spawn it in the world
03:53 rater193 :)
03:53 rater193 brb
03:55 rater193 and back
03:55 rater193 ill make npc spawn support spawn(pos) and spawn(x,y,z)
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04:08 wilkgr I have a small problem; If I switch to 3rd person view, I only see a grey cat...
04:13 rater193 sorry, i was afk
04:13 rater193 im back now
04:14 wilkgr Hullo
04:14 wilkgr I have a small problem; If I switch to 3rd person view, I only see a grey cat...
04:15 rater193 hm?
04:15 rater193 take it as youre ither using a custom mod or making 1?
04:16 wilkgr Neither, only using unified_inventory and nether mod.
04:19 rater193 hmm...weird....
04:19 rater193 are you using minetest minimal, or normal?
04:20 wilkgr normal
04:22 rater193 hmmmm....try redownloading minetest
04:22 rater193 http://www.minetest.net/download
04:22 * wilkgr thanks rater193
04:23 rater193 np
04:23 wilkgr ;)
04:23 * DI3HARD139 uses unified and nether and doesnt have issues
04:24 * wilkgr explores minetest_game folders
04:24 * wilkgr found cat.x
04:24 rater193 dont put it in the game folder
04:24 wilkgr What's that?
04:24 rater193 put it in the mods folder
04:24 rater193 then before you create play the map
04:24 rater193 just enable the mods in the list
04:25 wilkgr I put mods in the mods/ directory, I always do.
04:25 rater193 ah
04:25 wilkgr My mods directory has 34 folders in it.
04:25 rater193 wow xD
04:25 wilkgr Yeah.
04:25 rater193 mine only has 1, that i created
04:25 rater193 with 100+ sub mods
04:25 rater193 lol
04:26 rater193 all 100 sub mods i made
04:26 rater193 xD
04:26 rater193 50% of them are just tests
04:26 wilkgr One folder is a spin-off from badplayer, basically making all the players friendly, and attacking mobs.
04:26 rater193 lol
04:27 wilkgr Not done yet though...I called it goodplayer
04:29 DI3HARD139 is there a way to make a mod ignore a specific player?
04:29 DI3HARD139 or players?
04:29 rater193 btw, my NPC mod will let users easily, and effortlessly create NPCs, and spawn them in the world, as well as let them save/load custom data to them :)
04:29 wilkgr Maybe something like "if not player.playername =" (I don't do lua......)
04:30 rater193 and yes
04:30 rater193 just get the player's name
04:30 rater193 and iterate trough a list
04:30 rater193 for ex
04:30 rater193 whitelist = {"rater193", "SomeDude"}
04:30 wilkgr you forgot me :D
04:30 rater193 local playername = GetThePlayersName
04:30 DI3HARD139 ooh that'll work. I need it for the chat_anticurse mod
04:31 rater193 ah xD
04:31 rater193 for i, v in pairs(if v == playername) then return end
04:31 rater193 wilkgr i didnt forget you, i was just letting him know an  example
04:31 DI3HARD139 now to find where to put it.....
04:31 wilkgr Well, you didn't whitelist me. lol.
04:32 rater193 DI3HARD139 : Look at the api so far :) http://pastebin.com/gq9KUVtU
04:35 rater193 DI3HARD139, you there?
04:35 DI3HARD139 yeah, checking now
04:35 rater193 when its done, just set npcapi as a dependency
04:35 rater193 then you can use minetest.NPC:new("NPCName") to create a new NPC
04:35 DI3HARD139 cool.
04:36 rater193 the final version will also support pathfinding
04:36 * DI3HARD139 wonders how to change the player mesh and animation in blender
04:36 rater193 i will use basic a*
04:36 DI3HARD139 ?
04:36 rater193 btw, im new to minetest, but longtime lua user
04:36 rater193 only just started modding a few days ago
04:37 rater193 and already have over 5k lines of code typed lol
04:37 rater193 100 mods in about a week
04:37 DI3HARD139 lol
04:37 rater193 *50k
04:37 rater193 not 5k
04:40 rater193 im tempted to just make a ton of APIs in minetest, and just see if the developers will accept it as an actual part of minetest
04:40 rater193 i made an api for doing things like basic threading, colored chat, 3d text, better ore gen
04:40 DI3HARD139 darn. adding "whitelist = {"player", "player"}" crashes the server
04:41 rater193 underground biomes, and universal block api for taping to when players interact with specific blocks
04:41 rater193 and hm....
04:41 rater193 how so?
04:41 rater193 error plz?
04:41 DI3HARD139 stack traceback
04:42 DI3HARD139 never mind it wasnt that. It was stuck in a loop again
04:42 rater193 xD
04:43 DI3HARD139 now to test
04:44 DI3HARD139 nope the whitelist command didnt work
04:47 rater193 sry
04:47 rater193 i was testing my api out
04:47 rater193 anyways
04:47 rater193 it should have
04:47 rater193 i usually do something like
04:47 rater193 local admins = {
04:47 rater193 ["rater193"] = 100,
04:48 rater193 ["SomeOtherPlayer"] = 50
04:48 rater193 }
04:48 rater193 then u can check the list like
04:48 rater193 if admins["SomeName"] then
04:48 rater193 print("Is admin")
04:48 rater193 else
04:48 rater193 print("Access denied")
04:48 rater193 end
04:49 rater193 try that out DI3HARD139
04:49 rater193 that method overall is faster
04:49 rater193 due to it dosnt have to check EVERY single user in the list
04:49 rater193 just check if the memory pointer points to a nill value
04:50 DI3HARD139 ok
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04:52 mystery Wednesday, 26 August 2015
04:52 rater193 hm?
04:52 mystery Hi
04:52 rater193 DI3HARD139 look at this :) http://pastebin.com/AgKmZ7UG i set it up to work with minding multiple events, if you want to do so
04:53 rater193 *binding
04:53 rater193 *multiple functions to 1 event
04:53 mystery Most of thw fun people have left.
04:54 DI3HARD139 cool
04:54 mystery I know! Now its just you 2 to talk too
04:54 mystery This is just sad
04:54 rater193 btw when this is done, you will be able to set bones to be used as "tool bones"
04:54 rater193 so you can easily configre a moddle rig
04:55 rater193 to use tools :)
04:55 rater193 im having a lot of fun with minetest :D
04:55 rater193 now i just need to make a better API for making a GUI
04:55 rater193 because the current method SUCKS
04:55 rater193 for example
04:55 rater193 when i will recode it
04:55 rater193 ill make it something like
04:56 rater193 local GUI = minetest.GUI:new(guiskintexture)
04:56 rater193 player:ShowGUI(GUI)
04:56 rater193 to show the player the gui
04:56 rater193 and now to add to the GUI
04:57 rater193 GUI.AddTextbox(x, y, defaulttext)
04:57 rater193 GUI.AddItemSlot(x, y[, ItemWhitelist])
04:57 rater193 GUI.AddImage(x, y, image)
04:57 rater193 GUI:clear()
04:57 rater193 etc...
04:58 rater193 im going to change the face of modding minetest >: DF
04:58 rater193 *>: D
04:58 rater193 im going to make everyone lazy... :P
04:59 rater193 VanessaE is there anywhere i can apply to help make the lua engine for minetest?
04:59 rater193 the current one has a lot of.....redundencies
05:00 VanessaE just chat in #minetest-dev about it really
05:00 rater193 k
05:00 rater193 i have to go, but one of the things i want to try to submit is an easier system for creating GUIs
05:00 rater193 the current system sucks
05:01 rater193 and can easily be made way better
05:01 rater193 anyways, i gtg, ill work on it tomorrow
05:01 * DI3HARD139 wants to change the player model but doesnt know how
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05:07 rater193 im back for now
05:09 rater193 VanessaE i cant send messages in the dev IRC
05:09 rater193 if i were to post my suggestion for the UI, nobody would be able to read it
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05:09 VanessaE use a real IRC client.
05:10 VanessaE you can't use webchat there.
05:13 rater193 sry i was afk
05:13 rater193 and alright
05:21 rater193 well, now i gtg
05:21 rater193 ttyl!
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06:17 swift110-phone Hey
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07:32 wilkgr How do I get the builder from npcf to start building - the "start building" button doesn't work.
07:32 wilkgr !mod npcf
07:32 MinetestBot wilkgr: NPC Framework [minetest-npcf] by stu - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7321
07:33 thatgraemeguy ~seen cornernote
07:33 ShadowBot thatgraemeguy: I saw cornernote in #minetest 1 week, 4 days, 20 hours, 11 minutes, and 5 seconds ago saying "an ItemStack is like 10x dirt ... maybe 3x of those came from digs and 7x came from /giveme .. you cant set a property on 3 of them, because it's 1 stack"
07:34 cornernote hey
07:34 thatgraemeguy oh, you are alive :)
07:34 wilkgr lol...even I remember that
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07:34 thatgraemeguy I didn't see anyting in commits, but did you add anything that removes unused quest blocks and islands lately?
07:35 wilkgr cornernote, I wasn't able to connect to your AU skyblock server - is it down, or did I do something wrong?
07:35 thatgraemeguy see http://mt.thatgraemeguy.co.za/skyblock.png, there are missing islands that are puzzling me
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07:50 swift110-phone Hey enricom how r u
07:55 swift110-phone How long have you guys been playing the game
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11:42 * sloantothebone slaps OldCoder around a bit with a large trout.
11:42 sloantothebone Just testing new plugin o/
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12:03 Calinou http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news​_item&amp;px=Wayland-No-Window-Server
12:03 Calinou heh
12:04 harrison The Bricobio team doesn't actually think we need to use ray cats to warn future humans about radiation, but they write on their website that "There are tons of potential dangers that could be detected by a colour changing cat. Examples can include cadmium, mercury, carbon monoxide and many other hazardous molecules."
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12:55 RealBadAngel https://imgrush.com/Yr_wa-6OOatJ.png
12:55 RealBadAngel somebody is going to be a bit suprised when next login on skyblock server ;)
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13:42 kilbith https://lut.im/MIr2tTxU/rZ4IQLMH
13:42 kilbith nice grief, RBA
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14:13 Tester08 Hello, do Minetest support the creative mode like in Minecraft ?
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14:15 RealBadAngel theres option when launching the game
14:15 Tester08 Thanks
14:16 swift110-phone Good morning
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14:18 Hisforever hi how do i get this to working I have this error  ?
14:19 Hisforever http://imgur.com/Qdxdl8G
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14:27 Hisforever Hello I have an error that I don't know how to correct, I'll show a screen shot  http://imgur.com/Qdxdl8G ?
14:34 STHGOM dreambuilder_game? is that: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp​;t=9196&amp;sid=068f44eb31d892e61ae2ac247054f9d9 ?
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14:51 VanessaE Hisforever: updater your dreambuilder to the very latest, and update your minetest.  that line 1684 is in the middle of the node def for default:brick and makes no sense here.
14:52 VanessaE -r
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15:05 Hisforever thanks VanessaE I have to go so I'll get back later God bless
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17:19 Yellowberry Heya noobs
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17:20 Calinou hi Yepoleb
17:20 Calinou oops
17:23 Krock hi Calinou
17:30 Out`Of`Control heh
17:30 Out`Of`Control Hi! :)
17:30 Krock Quitté
17:31 Out`Of`Control Krock:  is this a bug, as admin you can't open chest of other players on latest mt game 0.4.13 ?
17:31 Krock dunno about MTG.. I don't use it that much
17:32 Out`Of`Control what do you use?
17:32 Krock base_game
17:32 Krock about your "bug":https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game​/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L1357
17:33 Out`Of`Control https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
17:33 Krock It's not a bug, it's a missing feature
17:33 Out`Of`Control i can do that with old version
17:34 nrzkt then ti's a regression
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17:47 rater193 hello
17:47 rater193 VanessaE: im back
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18:24 rater193 im back again
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18:27 rater193 welcome jojoa1997
18:28 jojoa1997 hi rater193
18:28 rater193 hello
18:29 rater193 im working on an advanced NPC API
18:29 rater193 so we can have smarter, better looking NPCs
18:29 rater193 :)
18:29 rater193 the current ones look like crap, there are a few decent ones here, and there
18:29 rater193 but overall, most look like crap
18:31 Out`Of`Control rater193:  ugly is good :D
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18:31 rater193 lol
18:32 rater193 im working on making a game mode with minetest, that is more refined, and more professional looking
18:32 rater193 the current setup looks really.....plain
18:32 Out`Of`Control more pixels?
18:32 rater193 there will be a hd version and a lq version
18:33 rater193 lq = 32x32 textures
18:33 rater193 hd = 128x128
18:33 rater193 the battle towers are using some of the blocks ill be using in the lq version
18:33 rater193 the screenshot already uses some of the texture changes
18:33 Out`Of`Control nice
18:34 rater193 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=9&amp;t=13101&amp;p=188127#p188127
18:34 rater193 ignore the trees
18:34 rater193 look at the terrain
18:34 rater193 it (imo) looks way better than the default
18:34 rater193 xD
18:35 Out`Of`Control ahh i want that mod! :D
18:35 rater193 thats one of the hundreds of mods ive made in the past week xD
18:36 rater193 ive been going nuts with minetest
18:36 Out`Of`Control make castle spawn
18:36 rater193 atm im working on a NPC Framework API, to make sexier looking NPCs
18:36 STHGOM sexier?
18:36 rater193 i was going to use the NPC Framework mod
18:36 rater193 then i decided to just make my own api
18:37 rater193 its going to be a dark theme, since dark colors always look the best
18:37 rater193 once i get the mods perfected, im going to submit it and see if they will add it as an official thing for minetest
18:37 Out`Of`Control NPS with tits?
18:37 rater193 and lol
18:37 Out`Of`Control NPC*
18:37 rater193 i meant, more fluent animations
18:37 rater193 for example
18:37 rater193 the player
18:38 rater193 right now, the player looks REALLY jagged, and the animations dont tween properly
18:38 rater193 im going to make a system to let it smoothly transition between seperate animations
18:38 Out`Of`Control will i need more RAM?
18:38 rater193 maby 50 mb more
18:38 Out`Of`Control client side
18:39 rater193 as long as you have a decent graphics card
18:39 rater193 you should be fine
18:39 rater193 well, as long as you have A graphics card
18:39 rater193 xD
18:39 rater193 ill be testing with 2 different gfx cards
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18:39 rater193 nvidia gt 220, and nvidia gtx 650
18:39 rater193 so, 1 low end, and 1 high end
18:40 STHGOM when we we get 1280x1280 textures?
18:40 Out`Of`Control rater193:  i can get whole PC for A card :D
18:41 rater193 nice :P
18:41 rater193 btw, the graphics on tablets now, are more powerful than the nvidia gt 220 graphics
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18:42 rater193 welcome cd2
18:42 cd2 hi :)
18:43 rater193 STHGOM: i dont see why not, however ore and side block textures mess up with the sizes, you have to remake all the textures to use that size
18:43 rater193 1280x1280 however would be a ludicrous size, you need one HELL of a machine to use that
18:43 rater193 xD
18:44 rater193 also, ill be setting up an API for making it if so players donate to a server, it will automatically give them items ingame
18:44 rater193 as long as they use paypal
18:44 rater193 or the paypal API
18:45 Out`Of`Control snap
18:45 STHGOM microtransactions? :O
18:45 rater193 yup
18:45 Out`Of`Control litecoins?
18:45 rater193 virtual currencies would take a bit more time to integrade
18:45 rater193 because there is no REAL api for it
18:45 rater193 however, paypal offers a full api you can use
18:45 SylvieLorxu There are several companies which supply APIs
18:45 STHGOM money grabber xD
18:46 rater193 as long as you know javascript or pgp
18:46 rater193 *php
18:46 rater193 STHGOM, im going to change the face of minetest >: D
18:46 STHGOM :O
18:46 rater193 1 step closer to minecraft! jk
18:47 ElectronLibre rater193: You really want people here to dislike you.
18:47 rater193 lol
18:47 rater193 no, i dont like being disliked
18:47 rater193 i know the community dosnt like minecraft, i just said it as a joke
18:48 STHGOM donst even say it!
18:48 rater193 XD
18:48 ElectronLibre Reminder: MC != MT
18:48 rater193 MT > MC
18:48 Out`Of`Control can't say, never played minecraft
18:48 rater193 i have
18:48 rater193 minecraft is alright and everything
18:48 rater193 BUT
18:49 rater193 the only thing that makes minecraft fun
18:49 rater193 is mods....
18:49 rater193 plane minecraft SUCKS
18:49 rater193 considering minetest is already like minecraft, and better, as well as having support for server mods to sync with clients
18:49 rater193 minetest is better than the plain version of minecraft
18:49 STHGOM voxel worlds fw
18:49 Out`Of`Control there is even fork
18:50 rater193 not only that, minetest was already written in c++, minecraft is only just starting to be re-written to use c++
18:50 STHGOM the mobs, bows, and maps are better polished in MC, imo
18:50 rater193 however minecraft will NEVER be minetest
18:50 rater193 STHGOM, thats what i plan to bring to minetest
18:50 rater193 a more "polished" feel
18:51 STHGOM also MC has some better render sysem or just effects
18:51 rater193 actually, minetest has the came capabilities and more
18:51 rater193 just the people who made the graphics for minetest, are more of coders, than gfx artists
18:51 STHGOM ya :
18:51 rater193 im a coder and a gfx/sound artist
18:51 STHGOM :)
18:51 rater193 been doing it for over 14 years
18:52 STHGOM im a modeller
18:52 rater193 nice
18:52 STHGOM not much of one, tho
18:52 rater193 can i see some of your work?
18:52 rater193 oh
18:52 rater193 nvm xD
18:52 STHGOM just a sec
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18:54 rater193 STHGOM
18:54 rater193 https://gyazo.com/86a77716b75c3895557badb99f64c3ec
18:56 STHGOM nice!
18:56 rater193 https://gyazo.com/17d88a870a2afc13edc6d368c227522b
18:57 rater193 https://gyazo.com/3e2e72d2e61ab35e64f3bd18a937290a
18:57 rater193 :P
18:58 STHGOM https://img.bi/#/dRKmxe8!W32z_QeR​0rsQDtHeBw-PyN9QwPU08ADXHxmwtmdJ
18:58 STHGOM <img data-imgbi="https://img.bi/#/dRKmxe8!W32z_QeR​0rsQDtHeBw-PyN9QwPU08ADXHxmwtmdJ" />
18:59 STHGOM oop
18:59 STHGOM https://img.bi/#/BNmMhOD!W85YrQFk​K_tg40a57gouYYKwFPzVrwbs2y-g-VO2 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3YesI​12jzijTlZHRkU0NGliWnc/view?usp=sharing
18:59 rater193 i like the theme you went with, the textureing however could have used a bit of work
19:00 STHGOM agreed, im not much of a texure-er
19:01 rater193 btw, im verry judgmental when it comes to development, if there is even the slightest flaw, ill point it out
19:01 rater193 so if it seems like im a bit critical at times, im just pointing out things that caught my eye
19:01 rater193 otherwords, im verry nitpickey :P
19:01 STHGOM acually, the only texture on the ship that I made was he HUD : https://img.bi/#/FVG2LLv!G1cwlwRy​LjUwpV8EswCB4WmwojheJg1s6gzgjsS9
19:02 STHGOM everything else in generated :P
19:02 rater193 btw one of the things i want to try to do eventually, is martching cubes terrain
19:02 rater193 *marching cubes
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19:02 rater193 nice
19:03 STHGOM marching cubes?
19:03 rater193 gime a sec
19:04 rater193 ill give you a screenshot of what i mean
19:04 rater193 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marching_cubes
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19:07 STHGOM making models into nodes?
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19:19 rater193 im back!
19:19 rater193 sorry, i was afk
19:19 rater193 and no, what i meant was i will be treating them as nodes, but giving them a more dynamic API
19:19 rater193 for example, right now, a block can only have 1 function binded to it for throwing events
19:20 rater193 the system i created will let you bind multiple functions
19:20 rater193 instead of just one
19:21 freelikegnu some kind of terrain smoothing?
19:21 STHGOM throwing events?
19:21 rater193 it can be used for it, but i was talking about redoing the nodes engine entirely
19:21 rater193 for my own personal server
19:22 rater193 so you can have smooth terrain, without having to learn the new api
19:22 rater193 you just need to use the old api for doing it
19:22 rater193 so it will be compatible with all mods
19:22 freelikegnu cool
19:22 rater193 ive already added onto the minetest engine for creating custom npcs
19:22 rater193 minetest.NPC
19:22 rater193 :)
19:22 freelikegnu :o
19:23 shadowzone Hey, looks whose back!
19:23 rater193 local mynpc = minetest.NPC:new("SomeModel.x", "SomeTexture.png")
19:23 rater193 welcome back
19:23 shadowzone It's been 8 months since I've been here
19:23 rater193 ive joined about 6 months back, give or take, and left, but just came back about a week ago
19:23 rater193 and started modding
19:23 freelikegnu irc: harder to quit then facebook
19:24 shadowzone Yeah
19:24 shadowzone Atleast facebook doesn't need you
19:24 rater193 btw
19:24 rater193 freelikegnu
19:24 rater193 with my api u can spawn a npc like
19:24 shadowzone I use windows 8
19:24 rater193 mynpc:spawn(x,y,z)
19:25 freelikegnu and does this npc have things like an inventory and moddable with such things as armor?
19:25 rater193 it can have
19:26 rater193 again, its an API
19:26 nrzkt rater193, is this a lua API or cpp api ?
19:26 rater193 i just started coding it last night, and got the npcs to spawn in the world with a weapon i specify
19:26 rater193 lua
19:26 nrzkt lol okay
19:26 nrzkt there is tenplus1 api for doing mobs nicely too, why choose yours ?
19:27 rater193 sry, im new to minetest modding, and minetest in general
19:27 rater193 so i dont know a lot of the mods out there
19:27 rater193 ima take a look at it
19:27 freelikegnu yep I have been using tenplus1 as well
19:28 rater193 mobs redo?\
19:28 freelikegnu yup
19:28 rater193 oh, mine isnt only going to be for mobs :)
19:28 rater193 mine will let you bind blocks to models
19:28 rater193 and have animated blocks
19:28 freelikegnu interesting
19:29 freelikegnu would you be able to build off the work already done by tenplus1?
19:29 rater193 and im writing it for my battletowers mod
19:29 rater193 i dont see why not, besides all you would need would be the model
19:29 rater193 as long as you have the model ,you would be able to bind it to a block
19:29 rater193 for example:
19:30 rater193 mynpc:bindBlock("default:Dirt")
19:30 rater193 i call it a npc, because that was the origonal thing it started as
19:30 rater193 but its changed entirely xD
19:31 rater193 besides, like i said, im making it for myself, idc if anyone uses it
19:31 rater193 brb for a sec
19:32 freelikegnu by binding to a block, do you mean that the mob would only move on that kind of node
19:32 rater193 the finished version of the api will remove the hitbox, of the entity
19:33 rater193 and when you place down the block
19:33 rater193 it will have the same properties as an air block, except you can have the block hitbox of a 1x1 block or whatever size you specify\
19:33 rater193 basically
19:33 rater193 the size you specify
19:33 rater193 lets say a 3x3 block size
19:33 rater193 the entire 3x3 area, will be treated as 1 block
19:34 rater193 and if you change even 1 node inside it, it will delete the entire structure
19:35 rater193 the finished version will let you also customize the hitbox by giving it deforming features so lets say you make a barrel, you will actually be able to fall inside the barrel
19:35 shadowzone Sweet!
19:35 shadowzone And this is your first mod?
19:36 shadowzone If so, you must be brilliant.
19:36 rater193 first ill be releasing
19:36 rater193 i only started modding minetest about a week ago
19:36 rater193 but been using lua for over 14 years
19:36 shadowzone Wow
19:36 shadowzone That's longer than I've been on this earth.
19:36 rater193 an iq > 140 also helps XD
19:36 shadowzone XD
19:36 shadowzone mine's like 114
19:37 rater193 142
19:37 freelikegnu I think I'm in the double digits
19:37 shadowzone XD
19:37 rater193 :o
19:37 rater193 lol
19:37 freelikegnu I can feed myself
19:37 shadowzone I'll be 14 on March 25th
19:37 Out`Of`Control is it possible to disable all 16 slope in moreblocks, only for some blocks (the one i add)
19:37 rater193 i feel old :/
19:37 Out`Of`Control in moreblocks mod
19:37 rater193 23
19:37 freelikegnu I'm 41
19:37 rater193 :o
19:37 rater193 nvm now i dont
19:37 rater193 xD
19:38 rater193 no offence
19:38 * freelikegnu takes the "old" torch
19:38 shadowzone XD
19:38 rater193 i was previously a part of the roblox development staff
19:38 rater193 so transitioning over to this is pretty easy
19:38 STHGOM roblox? interesting
19:39 shadowzone Roblox is pretty fun
19:39 shadowzone I play roblox a lot
19:39 rater193 meh, its extremely basic
19:39 Out`Of`Control anyone?
19:39 rater193 hm?
19:39 rater193 Out`Of`Control: i dont see why not
19:40 rater193 as long as you have the fortitude to code it
19:40 Out`Of`Control any hint
19:40 rater193 just look at where it creates the blocks
19:40 rater193 and change remove the ones you dont want to use
19:40 Out`Of`Control name is bamboo:slope_....
19:40 Out`Of`Control sec
19:41 rater193 *and just remove
19:41 rater193 ugh stupid autocorrect!
19:42 Out`Of`Control rater193:  here is code how i add it
19:42 Out`Of`Control http://pastebin.com/TZWnFJsr
19:42 rater193 just look at their api, i havnt used the mod, but all mods are open source
19:42 rater193 just trace back the api to where it creates it
19:43 Out`Of`Control i want it off only for bamboo, not for all blocks
19:43 nanepiwo go to your bamboo mod
19:43 Out`Of`Control that line is from bamboo mod
19:43 rater193 then just take it out entirely
19:43 Out`Of`Control ok
19:43 rater193 *those lines
19:44 Out`Of`Control i want microblock and slab but not slope
19:45 nanepiwo replace register_all with register_slab
19:45 nanepiwo do you want stairs as well?
19:45 Out`Of`Control nanepiwo yes and microblock
19:45 nanepiwo ok
19:45 nanepiwo one sec
19:45 rater193 https://gyazo.com/fca21af76ff6f48c88d8c25172227643
19:45 rater193 :P
19:46 rater193 i need to remove the NPC framework mod
19:46 rater193 i dont even use it lol
19:47 nanepiwo you need to use register_slab, register_micro, and register_stair
19:47 Out`Of`Control thanks!
19:47 nanepiwo NP. just copy the code in the function, and make three new functions like that
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19:54 Out`Of`Control i get error init.lua:259: function arguments expected near ','
19:54 Out`Of`Control 259:stairsplus:register_slab, register_micro, register_stair(
19:55 rater193 learn 2 lua :P
19:59 Out`Of`Control ok this wont work, if i register only slab, saw table wont work
20:00 nanepiwo no
20:01 nanepiwo make a stairplus:register_slab(stuff) stairplus:register_stair(that same stuff) stairplus:register_micro(stuff)
20:01 nanepiwo you can't combine functions
20:01 Out`Of`Control oh
20:01 nanepiwo they're three separate functions, but with the same code inside
20:01 Out`Of`Control i see
20:10 rater193 and there
20:10 rater193 now i have the npc spawning in the world >: D
20:10 rater193 mwahahaha! >: D
20:26 rater193 wow...the entities do not save their data when u set something in the luaentity :(
20:27 rater193 now to code a system to force save it :)
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20:34 rater193 anyone know how to load a npc's data after it saves?
20:34 rater193 already used get_staticdata
20:35 rater193 just dosnt seam to load
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20:46 rater193 fixed it :D
20:47 rater193 i also made it a LOT easier to save/load
20:47 rater193 i added some events to the npcs
20:47 rater193 OnSave, and OnLoad
20:47 rater193 they use 2 arguments
20:47 rater193 1: LuaEntity
20:47 rater193 2: SaveData Table
20:47 rater193 onsave, you just add to the table
20:47 rater193 the variables you want to save
20:47 rater193 and onload, you set self variables with the data you set when onsave
20:47 rater193 :)
20:49 rater193 it works! >: D
20:49 rater193 mwahahaha!
20:51 freelikegnu cool so npcs will have presistant memory over server restart?
20:51 rater193 yup!
20:51 rater193 >: D
20:51 freelikegnu wicked
20:51 rater193 i love my npc api :3
20:51 freelikegnu I'm going to have to try this for me goblins
20:52 rater193 next update to battle towers, will have it
20:53 freelikegnu this is what I'm hoing to do with the goblins: https://github.com/FreeLikeGNU/mo​bs_goblins/wiki#other-todo-tasks
20:54 rater193 ah nice
20:54 rater193 btw my npc engine will also have biome specific spawning
20:54 rater193 so you they can natually spawn in only a certain list of biomes you specify
20:54 freelikegnu very nice
20:54 rater193 if none are specified, it will spawn in all biomes
20:54 rater193 :)
20:55 freelikegnu gtg for now
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20:55 rater193 cya
20:55 rater193 and welcome err404
20:57 rater193 there will be a new variable created for the NPCs called data
20:57 rater193 its just a table
20:57 rater193 you can ither store the data there for automatic saving/loading
20:57 rater193 or you can tap into the event, OnSave, and OnLoad
20:58 rater193 that i created for the npc engine
21:04 err404 \o rater193
21:04 rater193 hm?
21:04 rater193 oh
21:04 rater193 o/
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21:07 rubenwardy rater193: http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2015-08-27#i_4378718
21:08 rubenwardy that looks like smartfs
21:08 rubenwardy !mod smartfs
21:08 MinetestBot rubenwardy: [Lib] Smart Formspecs [smartfs] by rubenwardy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7553
21:08 rater193 hm?
21:08 rubenwardy however if you want to rework formspecs, you should talk with hmmmm.
21:08 rater193 oooo
21:08 rater193 the gui lib
21:08 rater193 yeah, im just making everything for myself, but making it into a clean, easy to use API
21:09 rater193 so if others WANT to tap into it
21:09 rater193 they can
21:09 rater193 but ill be using it for all my mods
21:09 rubenwardy smartfs still suffers from the limitations of formspec
21:09 rubenwardy have you started making your API?
21:09 rater193 btw, i made the npcs engine have data persistance :D
21:09 rater193 yes
21:09 rater193 i started on it a few hrs ago
21:09 rater193 already got it working
21:10 rater193 and it works pretty well
21:10 rubenwardy also, for colored chat see the pr on GitHub.
21:10 rater193 k, thx
21:10 rater193 however, i think i have an idea on how to do it
21:10 rubenwardy how does it differ from smartfs?
21:10 rater193 im new to minetest modding, but not lua
21:10 rater193 i just want to make everything myself, so i get a better understanding of minetest
21:10 rubenwardy OK
21:12 rubenwardy Does your npc thing also support animals etc?
21:12 rater193 it will
21:12 rater193 i only spent a total of 4 hrs coding it
21:13 rater193 already got it spawning in the world, a multi function bindable event engine, world spawning, and easy to use animation engine in it
21:13 rater193 with basic pathfinding
21:13 rater193 :)
21:13 rater193 i work fast :P
21:13 rubenwardy just checking, you are using the minetest API for pathfinding?
21:13 rater193 nope
21:14 rater193 didnt know it supported it
21:14 rater193 is it ran c side
21:14 rater193 or lua side?
21:14 rater193 if its c side ill just use it
21:14 rubenwardy you should
21:14 rater193 bc lua is slow
21:14 rater193 otherwise ill just use my own algorithm
21:14 rubenwardy yeah it's on c side, big map things are better there
21:14 rater193 mine uses djkstra's algorithm
21:14 rater193 alright, ill use minetest's
21:14 rater193 thanks
21:15 rubenwardy the path finding supports both a* and djistra and the other dijstra
21:15 rater193 nice
21:15 rater193 i can never spell that guys name properly >_<
21:16 rater193 djistra
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21:16 rater193 welcome nore, and twoelk
21:16 rubenwardy i don't know how to spell it either
21:16 rater193 lol
21:17 rater193 ither way its some Japanese dude who made it
21:17 rater193 :P
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21:22 rubenwardy well, I look forwarding to see your contributions to this game and game engine, hopefully you'll succeed.
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21:23 rubenwardy Minetest does need more polish, and a proper mob API
21:24 rater193 yeah :P
21:24 rater193 im going to try to spend all weekend on battletowers
21:24 rater193 once i get battletowers working, im going to work on another worldgen mod
21:24 rater193 for generating cities, and adding a RPG element to the game
21:25 rubenwardy if you want inspiration, look at mg_villages
21:25 rubenwardy !mod mg_villages
21:25 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Could not find anything.
21:25 rubenwardy !mod villages
21:25 MinetestBot rubenwardy: villages by ironzorg - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=557
21:25 rubenwardy hmmm
21:25 rater193 i saw that :P
21:25 rater193 i liked it
21:26 rater193 ive always wanted to do it in minecraft, but never got around to it
21:26 rater193 so ill do it for minetest
21:26 rubenwardy i understand you want to redo stuff as a learning process though
21:26 rater193 essentially, yes
21:26 rubenwardy good luck
21:26 rater193 so i can get more famalire with the API
21:26 rater193 in the week ive spent looking at it, ive done some insaine things :P
21:26 rubenwardy well, make sure you ask if you have problems
21:26 rater193 one of the things even added rpg style skills to the game and a tech tree :D
21:27 rubenwardy or suggestions to make the api more flexible
21:27 rater193 well, there needs to be an official way to easily create mobs
21:27 rater193 i mean, u can code them in yourself
21:27 rubenwardy mt is missing a mod to add RPGs and stories
21:27 rater193 its not hard ither
21:27 rubenwardy yeah, it does need one
21:27 rater193 thats why im making this engine
21:27 rater193 gime a sec
21:27 rater193 ill show you the api
21:28 rubenwardy client side scripting will come soon, which will allow mods to do client side prediction
21:28 rater193 here is the api
21:28 rater193 http://pastebin.com/3dAtjZq2
21:28 rater193 let me upload whats creating the npc
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21:29 rater193 http://pastebin.com/DaKsA38B
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21:29 rater193 and taht will be awesome :)
21:29 rater193 *that
21:31 rater193 .
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21:41 rubenwardy I'd prefer npc.bind("eventname", function())
21:42 rubenwardy there's not much of an API there yet, though. So can't comment much.
21:42 rubenwardy you need to think about how to define movement patterns, interactions, behaviour, attack/flee etc
21:43 rubenwardy I started writing a modular framework based around a FSM, but I lost the code and then didn't feel like starting again.
21:43 rubenwardy FSM isn't perfect though
21:46 rubenwardy an ideal API would support: NPCs (villagers, companions), land animals (prey, predator, friend eg: dog), flying animals, sea animals, monsters.
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21:54 rater193 sry
21:54 rater193 i was afk
21:54 rater193 and rubenwardy
21:54 rater193 i have a question
21:54 rater193 im trying to spawn an entity in
21:54 rater193 it has OnActivated
21:54 rater193 when i make it deserialize the data
21:54 rater193 darn he left
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22:36 rater193 hello GunshipPenguin
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23:11 freelikegnu rater193: I'll try your api this week
23:11 rater193 the api isnt released yet
23:11 freelikegnu will you create a repo for it on gh?
23:11 rater193 im just setting up the system to work with gravity atm
23:11 freelikegnu ah
23:12 Hisforever Is there a newer minetest than 0.4.12? if so How do I install it?
23:12 freelikegnu Hisforever: there are 0.4.13 builds
23:13 rater193 im using 4.13
23:13 rater193 :)
23:13 freelikegnu https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=​42&amp;sid=25f796f1fb1d6fd787dc65125e56cb07
23:13 Hisforever ty freelikgnu
23:14 freelikegnu np
23:15 freelikegnu I need to try building a server on my pi2
23:16 freelikegnu I'm surprised there is no server build for android
23:16 freelikegnu good use of an old phone with a cracked screen
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23:23 rater193 im back
23:23 rater193 sry
23:23 rater193 i was afk :)
23:29 STHGOM afk is afk, happens all he time on irc
23:34 freelikegnu I'm mostly afk

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