Time  Nick           Message
00:50 aerth          hey what happened to ipv6b
00:55 aerth          it seems someone who has access to meow.minetest.net tried to break into one of my servers (the proof is in the logs) -- peace y'all, i hope u have fun breaking into someone elses server.
01:41 aerth          http://minetest.xyz/msu.log heres the log, maybe sfan5 knows about it
01:43 aerth          Why would meow.minetest.net be scanning ports?
02:16 freelikegnu    well copper iron and berrylium in RL, but...
03:30 cornernote     !seen rubenwardy
03:30 MinetestBot    cornernote: rubenwardy was last seen at 2015-05-17 17:00:14 UTC on #minetest
03:31 cornernote     !utctime ?
03:31 cornernote     make me look it up myself, lazy bot
03:39 AKZOMBIE74     How do run minetest?
03:39 AKZOMBIE74     I downloaded the file
03:39 AKZOMBIE74     but its just a big .zip file
03:39 VanessaE       unzip it.
03:39 AKZOMBIE74     I did that
03:39 VanessaE       open minetest/bin
03:39 VanessaE       in there is minetest.exe.  run that.
03:39 AKZOMBIE74     oh thank you
03:40 AKZOMBIE74     I did not see that
03:43 AKZOMBIE74     how do i open the player menu?
03:43 AKZOMBIE74     never mind
04:07 cornernote     putting the exe in /bin is confusing for new people
04:23 aerth          how bout that meow.minetest.net?
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07:03 Krock          meow
07:08 swift110-phone Bark
07:08 * Krock        runs
07:12 CWz            is VanessaE here
07:13 Krock          technically, yes.
07:17 Krock          [off] $.$ core temp at 36°C
07:35 cornernote     i have created pages for create/browse/search - https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/mods
07:35 cornernote     PLEASE NOTE - this is still very alpha, the database will likley be deleted before beta/live
07:35 cornernote     feel free to submit your mods for testing
07:44 Krock          impressive
07:52 cornernote     yeah, its getting there
07:52 cornernote     i'd like to get feedback from some modders so that i know what docs to add
07:53 cornernote     i want it to be super easy to add mods
07:56 cornernote     i added this page to help with bower.json formatting - https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/docs/bower-json-format
08:00 rubenwardy     Hi all!
08:00 rubenwardy     Hi cornernote
08:01 rubenwardy     is bower github only? or any git? or any archive?
08:05 cornernote     hey rubenwardy
08:05 cornernote     any git
08:06 cornernote     but if you have a non-github and non-bitbucket i'll have to add some more code to fetch the bower.json for the mods browse page
08:06 cornernote     also, (i think) the dependancies can be any online archive file
08:06 sfan5          aerth: not sure what your firewall if doing but it's completly normal to have traffic from servers.minetest.net:80 to <your ip>:<unprivileged port> when you announce to servers.minetest.net via HTTP
08:07 sfan5          is doing*
08:08 cornernote     rubenwardy, do you have a non-github repo that i can test it with ?
08:08 cornernote     if so, please submit the mod (or just tell me the git endpoint) and i'll do some testing
08:08 rubenwardy     look at wuzzys mods
08:08 rubenwardy     !mod bedrock2
08:08 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Indestructible Bedrock Layer [bedrock2] by Wuzzy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11271
08:08 sfan5          aerth: also there is nobody else with access to meow.minetest.net, considering that the sourceport is 80 that person would even need to be root
08:09 cornernote     perfect, thanks
08:10 rubenwardy     minetest-bower and mtpm have quite different aims, mines a pure lua implementation to replace the code in builtin/mainmenu/modmanager.lua, yours is a simplr focused cli only tool.
08:10 rubenwardy     are you planning on adding that mods.csv list?
08:12 cornernote     yep, sure am
08:13 rubenwardy     does bower support virtual packages? are you planning on resolving versions?
08:15 rubenwardy     on a related note: minetest could really use the ability of a mod 'mobs_redo' to be able to say that it fulfils the API of 'mobs' so they don't need to have the same name.
08:17 rubenwardy     are you planning on adding subgame/texturepack support?
08:17 sfan5          aerth: also just scanning ports above 30000 would be pretty strange
08:19 LazyJ          sfan5, when are your windows compiles of Minetest updated?
08:19 cornernote     rubenwardy: what do you mean by virtual packages?  bower resolves versions
08:19 sfan5          when i remember to update them
08:19 sfan5          every few weeks probably
08:20 LazyJ          Ah.
08:20 LazyJ          When was the last update, do you remember?
08:20 sfan5          you can also request me to make a new build if there's need for it
08:20 sfan5          3rd august
08:20 LazyJ          Ok, thanks. ;)
09:13 WSDguy2014     Hello guys, i need add feature: status players and ping holding "Tab" button. Like Minecraft
09:13 WSDguy2014     Multiplayer only
09:15 swift110-phone That would be cool
09:24 kaeza          didn't somebody already make a pull request for that?
09:25 kaeza          yep: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/958
09:25 sfan5          i did
09:25 sfan5          but it was C++
09:25 sfan5          also
09:25 sfan5          ffs youtube
09:25 sfan5          stop suggesting me shit i don't want to watch
09:26 WSDguy2014     must be add ping status from player status holding "Tab" Button
09:26 ekem           unfortunately, youtube's glory days are over :(
09:26 kaeza          "This is slated for implementation as a part of client-side modding (and would be quite trivial to do so given the intended interfaces) In general, we're shying away from making the core more game-like and less engine-like."
09:27 WSDguy2014     High ping is bad, middle ping is normal and low ping is good
09:27 kaeza          soooo... probably never?
09:28 WSDguy2014     ping status in player stauts like minecraft
09:30 Krock          who cares about ping when server lag is the most significant problem?
09:30 brothersome    I think the lags occur if somebody has a connection with a slow computer, like tables
09:31 brothersome    tablets
09:31 brothersome    Hey WSDguy2014, nice to see you here
09:32 WSDguy2014     i am playing on Hunger games server
09:33 brothersome    I am playing on "Liberty land" and Linuxgaming.us
09:34 WSDguy2014     so, im busy
09:35 brothersome    I am not playing now - minetest will not run on a Pentium II laptop
09:38 ekem           lol, what?
09:39 ekem           where did you fidn a p2 laptop?
09:39 ekem           thats almost a 20 year old chip
09:39 ekem           you could probably get a laptop for 10 bucks on craigslist that blows that one out of the water
09:41 brothersome    ekem, I know - and it has a wireless adapter using the USB
09:42 brothersome    Nice thing that old lappy - It is quiet
09:46 WSDguy2014     need add feature to players stats with ping statuts by holding 'Tab" button
09:51 Krock          brothersome, try to overclock it :P
09:51 ekem           WSDguy2014, asking a bunch of times doesn't get you anywhere
09:52 ekem           at this point, i would recommend forking the source and adding the feature yourself
09:52 WSDguy2014     sorry
09:52 ekem           or search for a feature request matching yours on github
09:52 ekem           if it doesnt exist, then go ahead and add it
09:57 WSDguy2014     ekem, i have problem for glitch, glitched wield item looks horrible and need fix. but how i do get newest OpenGL version
09:58 WSDguy2014     i show my screenshot at    here  ---->  http://imgur.com/a/6ZAgm
10:05 ekem           doesnt work WSDguy2014
10:05 ekem           broken link
10:06 WSDguy2014     nope
10:06 ekem           ...
10:06 ekem           yep
10:06 WSDguy2014     try again http://imgur.com/a/6ZAgm
10:06 ekem           no u
10:06 ekem           click your own link through irc and see what happens
10:07 WSDguy2014     i tested and works
10:07 ekem           no imgur link has ever been in a sub directory
10:07 ekem           surrrrreeee it does
10:08 ekem           but we both know you didnt click it through irc
10:08 WSDguy2014     i think its glitched
10:08 ekem           no, you screwed up somewhere
10:08 ekem           its ok
10:08 ekem           we all do
10:09 ekem           im guessing you hand typed the link in irc
10:09 WSDguy2014     click link and then click my album   ----> http://wsdguy2014.imgur.com/
10:11 ekem           http://imgur.com/m6YWW2w
10:12 ekem           http://imgur.com/nQYDKde
10:12 WSDguy2014     only image?
10:12 ekem           you have 4, but im not psycic
10:12 ekem           so im not sure which you are trying to link
10:12 WSDguy2014     i created my album
10:13 ekem           oh, you reminded me, i want to create spaghetti
10:13 ekem           i even have red sauce
10:13 ekem           but in relation to your problem WSDguy2014, check the issue link on the github page
10:13 ekem           see if anyone has something similiar
10:14 ekem           you are using a release client, which is not ideal if you aren't deving
10:14 ekem           if you are just playing, use the stable
10:14 WSDguy2014     im using 0.4.13-RC release candidate build
10:15 ekem           are you a developing
10:15 ekem           -a
10:15 ekem           are you developing for minetest or contributing to the source?
10:15 WSDguy2014     no
10:15 ekem           then use the stable build
10:16 ekem           release candidate implies its not stable and is like a beta
10:16 Krock          ekem, everyone can use dev builds
10:16 ekem           ah, well thats terrifying
10:16 ekem           for the developers at least
10:16 Krock          why? It's good when the guys test new features and check them for bugs
10:16 ekem           WSDguy2014, go ahead and search the issues list and see if someone has posted something similiar to your problem
10:17 ekem           Krock, mainly because you will get 12 year olds reporting the same bugs you know about multiple times
10:17 ekem           ;)
10:17 ekem           WSDguy2014, if you dont find a problem like yours then make sure you have updated all of your graphic card drivers
10:18 ekem           test old builds
10:18 Krock          ekem, I think that amount of players is in an acceptable range
10:18 ekem           if the problem doesnt exist in old builds but does in the new, then open an issue
10:18 ekem           right on
10:18 WSDguy2014     but how?
10:18 ekem           this is the wrong channel for that
10:18 ekem           if you know the make and model of your card, then go to their website
10:18 ekem           if you need to learn to use github then check the knowledge base on github.com
10:18 ekem           there are plenty of tutorials
10:20 WSDguy2014     i can't do that upgrade graphics card
10:20 ekem           WSDguy2014, irc works via topics. if you want to know something about a specific topic you go into that channel
10:20 ekem           here its minetest
10:20 WSDguy2014     i am 14 year old
10:20 ekem           good job so far then!
10:20 ekem           only 70 years left!
10:20 xenkey         lol
10:21 ekem           you might try googling your problem WSDguy2014
10:21 xenkey         "I'm clearly young so I don't know anything and expect you to do it all for me"
10:21 ekem           that is usually how we all fix our issues
10:22 ekem           like i have itch and its painful when i urinate
10:22 ekem           so i put that into google, and it tells me i have real problems
10:22 ekem           try describing what you want to do with your video card into google, and read at leat 5 links
10:22 ekem           at least*
10:24 WSDguy2014     alright. that's it i am not except this helps, I CAN'T REPRODUCE IT. So bye
10:24 ekem           NO COME BACK
10:24 ekem           PLEASE
10:26 swift110-phone Lol
10:28 xenkey         lol
10:28 swift110-phone U got the moves like jenner
10:33 ekem           i think what he wanted was for someone to remote connect to his machine under the guise of helping, and then fuck with him
10:33 ekem           poor guy!
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11:26 est31          sfan5, isn't the bot voiced=
11:26 est31          ?
11:26 est31          didnt know operators can be kicked for excess flood
11:27 xenkey         uh
11:28 xenkey         opers can't be kicked
11:28 xenkey         operators can
11:28 MinetestBot    02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Remove unused file 1335cc90b http://git.io/v3kZl (152015-08-09T13:27:42+02:00)
11:28 xenkey         The excess flood is a network thing
11:28 xenkey         if an operator on one channel spams another, his operator status on one channel won't exempt him from the network kick
11:28 xenkey         if it did then everyone could join an empty channel they were op in and spam the hell out of whatever they wanted
11:29 est31          whats an oper?
11:29 xenkey         ugh
11:29 xenkey         A network wide operator
11:29 xenkey         Read up on how IRC networks work
11:29 est31          and what's exactly the voice priv?
11:29 est31          well, it depends on network I guess
11:29 Krock          uh. sounds like xenkey is pro at IRC
11:30 est31          every network has their own config :)
11:30 xenkey         I've run a few networks in the past
11:30 est31          and setup
11:30 xenkey         Nope every network has the same fundamental core
11:30 xenkey         Otherwise it wouldn't be called an IRC network
11:30 est31          ok
11:30 xenkey         Each network comprises of hubs, and leafs
11:31 xenkey         The hub is the main server and the leafs are ones that link to it. Larger networks have several hubs. Opers are people who can control the servers. A local oper controls only the server he is connected to. A network-wide or globaloper controls every node
11:31 xenkey         Rather simple and charming I think
11:33 xenkey         Right
11:33 xenkey         Time to migrate my ZNC server
11:33 est31          interesting
11:35 xenkey         Should I just tar up my /etc lol
11:35 xenkey         Hardly a meg, in it goes
11:35 Calinou        ircop :-)
11:36 xenkey         That ^
11:36 xenkey         There's a lot of terms
11:36 xenkey         oper and operator ar the most common to distinguish a network operator from a channel one
11:37 xenkey         Hm
11:37 xenkey         That was too easy, I must have missed something
11:49 cornernote     anyone good with regex ?
11:50 cornernote     i have this string: John Doe <john@doe.com> (http://johndoe.com)
11:51 cornernote     i want to break it into 3 parts:  (1)John Doe (2)john@doe.com (3)http://johndoe.com
11:51 cornernote     i have this: (.*?)( <(.+)>)?( \((.+)\))?
11:52 cornernote     but its not capturing the first group
11:52 Hirato         get rid of the ?'s
11:52 Hirato         assuming they all 3 parts are always present
11:52 cornernote     they arent
11:52 cornernote     the first is, but the other 2 are optional
11:52 Krock          split by < and remove the tailing space and >
11:53 cornernote     Krock, they may provide only the name+link
11:53 cornernote     i could split by < and (
11:53 cornernote     but regex would be cleaner
11:54 * Krock        thinks regex is complicateed
11:55 cornernote     indeed
11:55 cornernote     but its 1 line vs 5-8 lines
11:55 cornernote     and lines are expensive you know
11:55 Krock          that's why I always make loops and read character by character, so when a '<' comes, it reads the characters to the email variable and stops at '>'
11:55 Krock          yeah
12:01 cornernote     ^([^<(]+?)?[ \t]*(?:<([^>(]+?)>)?[ \t]*(?:\(([^)]+?)\)|$)
12:01 cornernote     i cheated - https://github.com/jonschlinkert/author-regex/blob/master/index.js
12:01 VanessaE       holy crap
12:01 VanessaE       is that a regex, or just perl? ;)
12:01 Krock          ack.
12:01 Krock          looks more like brainfuck
12:02 cornernote     so we all agree, much cleaner than a loop
12:02 Hirato         what's this for anyway?
12:02 cornernote     parsing a bower author string
12:02 Hirato         um...
12:11 cornernote     hey VanessaE, have you see where i got upto with the registry ?
12:12 VanessaE       nope, haven't seen
12:12 cornernote     sec
12:12 cornernote     just pushing
12:13 cornernote     its coming along really well
12:13 cornernote     https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/
12:14 cornernote     sec, it has no data.. let me add a package
12:15 cornernote     https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/mods
12:15 Calinou        looks pretty
12:15 cornernote     thanks Calinou
12:15 VanessaE       not bad
12:15 cornernote     im more focused on it being dead easy to use than pretty
12:16 cornernote     try add a mod
12:16 cornernote     any old mod will do
12:17 VanessaE       it talked about a "bower.json"...
12:17 cornernote     yes, let me explain what happens...
12:18 cornernote     now it's registered, it doesnt NEED a bower.json (although one will help, i'll explain in a sec)
12:18 cornernote     now its registered, others can make a mod that depends on yours
12:18 cornernote     and when the other mod is installed, it will auto-fetch homedecor_modpack
12:18 Calinou        bower.json is also useful because it contains metadata
12:19 cornernote     yes, the bower.json contains the mod info (description, homepage, screenshots, author, license, etc)
12:19 cornernote     you can simply add one to your repo, then click the "Update bower.json" button, and it will get all that metadata
12:20 cornernote     VanessaE, want to give it a try?
12:20 VanessaE       why .json instead of a simpler k=v config file?
12:21 cornernote     because i am leveraging bower (an existing package manager) and thats the format it uses
12:21 cornernote     https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/docs/bower-format
12:21 Calinou        .json is best pony!
12:23 cornernote     it can be as simple as {"name": "homedecor_modpack"}
12:23 cornernote     but more fields are recommended so that there is some meta to chew on
12:23 bas080         cornernote: what are you doing? hahaha i love it! I have never seen someone use bower for something other then javascript.
12:24 cornernote     bas080, i know, its a crazy idea, but those are the best ones
12:24 cornernote     im making a package manager (with dependancy support) and mod repositoory for minetest
12:24 cornernote     it would be really cool if a couple of people can put bower.json into their repo and then submit their packages
12:25 bas080         Won't it conflict with other registries
12:25 cornernote     no, the registry is stand-alone, its all at minetest-bower.herokuapp.com
12:25 cornernote     ie, heres minetest packages: https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/packages
12:25 bas080         how to define dependencies?
12:26 cornernote     its not linked at all to bower's registry, which is here: https://bower.herokuapp.com/packages
12:26 cornernote     see dependencies section here: https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/docs/bower-format
12:27 cornernote     bas080 - go ahead and submit one of your mods here - https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/submit
12:28 cornernote     then people can use it as a dependancy... you dont even need a bower.json for that
12:28 bas080         cornernote: ok. i'll do my inbox mod
12:28 VanessaE       bas080: your separate inbox mod was obsoleted by the one in homedecor :)
12:28 cornernote     if you want the description, screenshots, etc on the /mods page, you simply add a bower.json to your registry
12:29 cornernote     then come back to your mod page and click "Update bower.json"
12:30 bas080         cornernote: it would be made really easy if i would get a simple template when i register the mod
12:30 cornernote     great idea
12:30 cornernote     one sec, i'll do it now
12:30 bas080         and maybe some instructions at the top of the template
12:30 VanessaE       have your site submit a pull request to the upstream repo when the json is updated
12:31 VanessaE       that way it can all be done without spawning a text editor
12:31 bas080         VanessaE: that is cool but not as easy as the template.
12:31 VanessaE       nono
12:31 bas080         And maybe less simple too
12:31 VanessaE       I mean use the template too
12:32 VanessaE       i.e. fill out some form fields --> generates complete .json file --> creates pull request
12:32 bas080         VanessaE: you would have to use the github api?
12:33 bas080         oo wait
12:33 VanessaE       I assume so
12:33 bas080         nvm
12:33 VanessaE       modder then clicks over to github, sees the new PR, clicks "Merge"
12:33 VanessaE       they can then sync the file to their local repo later via whatever method they use for such things.
12:37 bas080         VanessaE: i see you added a mesh and screwdriver support for the inbox mod
12:39 * twoelk       tries to install cornernote's mt-bower
12:40 cornernote     > <VanessaE> have your site submit a pull request to the upstream repo when the json is updated
12:40 cornernote     yes, eventually it will do that
12:41 cornernote     i'll create an issue so i remember to do this
12:41 VanessaE       bas080: yep
12:42 kaeza          cornernote, suggestion: make a field to specify minimum required MT version. not everybody uses latest shiny, some not even latest stable
12:42 VanessaE       Calinou: I wonder if rats shouldn't spawn in a snow biome...
12:43 * kaeza        may add bower.json to his repos soon
12:43 twoelk         cornernote: regarding unique names, have you sorted out all the mods called mobs? http://wiki.minetest.net/Mobs
12:43 Calinou        can't really prevent that easily
12:43 cornernote     kaeza, there are no more fields, but i can add that to the bower.json specs... i'll add an issue for this also
12:43 Calinou        (without complexifying code + making mod slower)
12:44 VanessaE       Calinou: then make then de-spawn if they walk into snow/ice
12:44 cornernote     ok, so now (for the time being) it will display a sample bower.json under the mod if one is missing in the repo
12:44 kaeza          I always have problems with minetest mod managers; none of them have explicit support for the concept of platform-dependent mods :(
12:44 cornernote     eg: https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/mods/inbox
12:45 VanessaE       (though afaik it should be possible to tell if they're in a snowy area from reading the biomes perlin noise)
12:45 kaeza          well, to be fair, how many mods use native libs? :P
12:45 cornernote     kaeza, ideally mods should be platform indenendant... but its not always possible
12:46 cornernote     VanessaE & bas080, would you be able to add the bower.json to your repos ?
12:46 WSDguy2014     Alright,  i am back. I have idea: add view bobbing checkbox to option, like Minecraft
12:47 Calinou        +1
12:47 bas080         cornernote: on it.
12:47 Calinou        do a pull request :P
12:47 twoelk         uhm, the IRC mod is an importand mod, that only runs on linux, if it hasn't changed since I last looked
12:47 WSDguy2014     thanks
12:47 VanessaE       cornernote: easily done but I'm not too inclined to do so yet. I'd kinda like to wait for this to become the standard for the mod store.
12:47 kaeza          twoelk, indeed, still only Linux
12:48 twoelk         why not set the standard Vanessa?
12:48 kaeza          could probably be fixed if MT used lua51.dll instead of static linking
12:48 cornernote     VanessaE, its going to require a movement/following from mod developers, if people like you don't start then others wont follow
12:48 kaeza          well, haven't tried anyway
12:48 cornernote     its just 1 file, you can remove it if it falls over
12:48 Hirato         lol, thought minetest did a dynamic link to luajit
12:49 kaeza          last I tried it still used static stock Lua :P
12:49 WSDguy2014     i have strange news: in version 0.4.dev-20111129-1 you can craft with 1 stick and will get 4 odd chests
12:49 cornernote     VanessaE, do you have a less popular/mature mod that you could try it with ?
12:49 Hirato         I'm pretty sure it uses luajit
12:50 Hirato         I'm not sure if it's dynamically or statically linked however
12:50 bas080         cornernote: the template has one ] too much. See the last  ]
12:50 cornernote     also remember, the namespace for bower mods is first-in first-served... once a mod name is taken you cant have it
12:50 cornernote     bas080, thanks i'll check
12:50 kaeza          it does now; I'm talking about 2 or 3 years ago
12:51 Hirato         you should probably make the namespace ${author}_${modname}
12:51 Hirato         to avoid that issue
12:51 cornernote     fixed, pushing now
12:52 bas080         ok i did it
12:52 bas080         and i pressed update bower.json
12:52 bas080         description and keywords not set, neither the homepage
12:52 kaeza          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=12998 <-- we are Twitter now
12:53 cornernote     interesting... checking
12:53 bas080         i validated the bower.json
12:53 cornernote     i pressed it and it worked
12:53 Hirato         kaeza: not enough comments about poop
12:54 bas080         cornernote: so it should work from now on
12:54 bas080         ?
12:54 WSDguy2014     Calinou, i have strange news: In version 0.4.dev-20111129-1 you can craft with 1 stick and will get 4 odd chests. download and craft odd chests with 1 stick ----> http://c55.me/minetest/oldsite/packages/win32/minetest-0.4.dev-20111129-1-win32.zip
12:55 cornernote     bas080: yes
12:55 bas080         I would like it if the webpage also generated the BBcode so i can copy paste to the forum
12:55 Calinou        WSDguy2014, that version is no longer supported by us :)
12:55 bas080         cornernote: I am very lazy and this allows me to be even more lazy
12:55 Hirato         almost 4 years old, lol
12:56 WSDguy2014     try it, you not seen odd chest?
12:56 cornernote     bas080: thats the plan... make it really simple to submit mods... no registration, no complex forms, and update the meta via your own repo
12:56 twoelk         WSDguy2014: old and outdated as stated in the link with -oldsite- and 2011
12:57 cornernote     i plan to auto-fetch all the bower.json files daily to get any changes
12:57 WSDguy2014     yep i know
12:57 Hirato         no registration? oh lawd
12:58 VanessaE       cornernote: you're gonna have a problem then if mod names are first-come-first-registered.
12:58 bas080         cornernote: Could you also do something with the README.md if it is there
12:58 cornernote     bas080: it will allow people to make mod-packs with tons of mods, and they can be installed using "bower install my_awesome_modpack"
12:58 cornernote     sure, i can fetch that
12:58 Amaz           cornernote, I added one of my mods, and added a bower.json, but when I clicked Update bower.json not all the fields were updated...
12:58 cornernote     and display it on the page
12:58 Hirato         will that modpack have everything, or will it have a large dependency list
12:58 VanessaE       because there are competing mods on the forum that use the same name, with the intent that each could replace the others
12:58 bas080         Amaz: did you check if the bower.json is valid?
12:58 cornernote     Amaz, same as bas080... interesting, perhaps some issue
12:58 Amaz           I clicked it again, and it worked.
12:59 cornernote     yeah, thats exactly what happened with bas080, let me check the code
12:59 Hirato         gods man, make the namespace ${author}_${mod}
12:59 Calinou        I agree with having author/mod namespace
12:59 Calinou        (if / is possible)
12:59 Calinou        but maybe it isn't...
12:59 bas080         Hirato: +1
12:59 Calinou        so then, author_mod
12:59 twoelk         network lag in bower allready :-P
12:59 VanessaE       Hirato: +1
12:59 Hirato         then if you're looking for a specific mod, than you can list all the different authors by last update date or something
13:00 cornernote     ok, found the bug
13:00 VanessaE       good idea, Hirato
13:00 cornernote     ok, im getting too many suggestions, all are great... but can i kindly ask you submit them here: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-bower/issues/new
13:00 cornernote     im doing the README one now
13:01 bas080         cornernote: If you are using the README.md will you be showing the raw text or generate html from it?
13:01 bas080         cornernote: ok
13:14 cornernote     bas080, readme is done, pushing now
13:14 cornernote     i parse the markdown into html
13:14 cornernote     looks awesome
13:15 cornernote     eg - https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/mods/bags
13:15 cornernote     click Update bower.json to update yours
13:17 bas080         cornernote: inbo doesn'y have a readme :P
13:17 cornernote     well...
13:17 cornernote     it should =)
13:18 bas080         cornernote: it looks really good
13:18 twoelk         maybe the readme should be presented last as it can be by far the longest entry
13:19 cornernote     good idea, and maybe dont put it in the table
13:19 cornernote     i'll put it under
13:20 twoelk         and on top right corner the home link could be a little more to the left of the followme tag
13:20 bas080         cornernote: and it should not be visible if no readme is there
13:21 Amaz           cornernote, does the readme.md file need to be in a certain case? Because mine doesn't seem to be working.
13:25 cornernote     Amaz, yes atm its only looking for README.md
13:25 Amaz           Okay.
13:26 cornernote     i'll make it also check for readme.md, sec
13:26 Amaz           Mine is called Readme.md :P
13:28 cornernote     jeables...
13:28 cornernote     ok, i'll check for that too
13:28 Amaz           Sorry :)
13:28 cornernote     also should handle .txt
13:31 cornernote     ok, try now
13:33 Amaz           Works brilliantly, thanks
13:34 cornernote     which is your mod
13:34 cornernote     flight_modpack ?
13:34 Amaz           https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/mods/flight_modpack
13:34 Amaz           Yep
13:37 twoelk         hm, pressed the update button to see the change - worked - and then clicked on the cross in the green bar to hide the updated from...blahblah... which brought me to the git page of the mod - is that intended?
13:37 bas080         VanessaE: could you add plants_lib. That way we can varify if dependencies work. I use it in the vines mod.
13:37 cornernote     twoelk, no, the cross should just hide the alert bar
13:37 cornernote     can you try it again ?
13:38 cornernote     bas080, you can do it yourself... this is the great thing
13:38 twoelk         just did
13:38 cornernote     no registration is required, so the mods arent "owned" by anyone on the registry
13:38 VanessaE       added.
13:38 cornernote     twoelk, is it ok, or same bug ?
13:39 twoelk         happened again
13:39 bas080         cornernote: so i can register any mod without the concent of the creator?
13:39 twoelk         and inventory-plus goes strait to bower git
13:39 cornernote     twoelk, i cant replicate it
13:39 cornernote     bas080, yes
13:40 cornernote     thats how bower works
13:40 bas080         cornernote: what should be done with mods that depend on default?
13:40 cornernote     nothing, its not a bower dependancy
13:40 cornernote     its just an in-game dependancy
13:40 twoelk         cleared cache to be on the sure side - now it seems to work
13:41 bas080         cornernote: it should be as some mods require a certain version of default.
13:41 cornernote     but default doesnt have its own repo
13:41 Amaz           Will you add support for subgames in the future?
13:42 cornernote     Amaz, what do you mean ?
13:43 cornernote     bas080: regarding dependancies, i tested a 4-level-deep dependancy (a requires b, b requires c, c requires d)... and it worked a charm
13:43 twoelk         subgames should be easier to get a complete list as there are only about 80 in contrast to the possibly 800 mods
13:43 Amaz           Will there be a separate section for subgames? Or should they just be added like mods are? (e.g things in here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=48)
13:44 cornernote     Amaz, good question... i should add something to the bower.json to specify mod type (eg, mod, modpack, game, etc)
13:44 cornernote     i'll create an issue
13:44 cornernote     unless you want to do it, then you will be notified when its done
13:45 Amaz           I'll let you do it.
13:45 VanessaE       cornernote: seems that pulling a single mod from a modpack may be desirable in some cases.  for example plants_lib is needed by some mods, but not necessarily the whole modpack
13:45 cornernote     plants_lib should then go into its own repo
13:45 VanessaE       perhaps let the modder specify a path within a larger modpack to fetch.
13:45 cornernote     unfortunatly bower doesnt do that
13:45 VanessaE       oh, too bad
13:46 cornernote     but this is all very new, and i think now that we have something it will change the way people make repos... eg, repos will be smaller parts because they can now easily be included as dependancies
13:47 bas080         VanessaE: please make plants_lib a seperate repo
13:47 cornernote     you could extract it to its own repo, and then in your bower.json in homedecor you can specify it as a dependancy
13:47 cornernote     bas080 lol
13:47 bas080         I understand that you are making modpacks
13:47 * twoelk       studies the size of homedecor
13:47 cornernote     modpacks can then be 2 files... modpack.txt+bower.json
13:47 bas080         but modders want modularity
13:47 cornernote     and everything else is in its own repo
13:48 VanessaE       fair enough, plants_lib should be split off from plantlife modpack anyway
13:49 cornernote     i have been told that my time is up, and its bed time... keep playing with the site and if there are any issues/suggestions please post them here: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-bower/issues/new
13:49 cornernote     night all
13:49 VanessaE       night cornernote
13:49 bas080         cornernote: love u!
13:49 cornernote     xoxo
13:58 bas080         VanessaE: I remember you mentioning that the plans_lib should be names something more generic
13:59 bas080         VanessaE: is that still in the pipeling?
13:59 bas080         pipeline*
13:59 VanessaE       yeah, still considering it
13:59 VanessaE       idk what to name it though
13:59 bas080         biomic?
13:59 VanessaE       biomes_lib maybe
13:59 bas080         biomeizer
14:00 bas080         that sounds more ligit
14:00 bas080         I really like how one can define a biome in a table
14:00 bas080         It's really neat
14:02 bas080         habitat would be a good name too
14:02 VanessaE       that would conflict with your old mod
14:02 VanessaE       I'll call it biomes_lib
14:02 VanessaE       noi,
14:02 VanessaE       no..
14:02 VanessaE       "biome_lib"
14:04 bas080         why not plural?
14:05 VanessaE       because it reads better as a singular.
14:06 VanessaE       this will entail a major API change also
14:06 VanessaE       well only in the sense that everywhere that calls for "plantslib:foo" will be "biome_lib:foo" instead.
14:07 bas080         VanessaE: that's fine just keep me posted. That sounds like a job for sed
14:07 VanessaE       yup.
14:08 twoelk         does sed wear a cape and his underpants on the outside?
14:08 bas080         I have ideas concerning habitat mod also. I like that plants_lib has all these features.
14:08 bas080         VanessaE: here is some pseudo code http://paste.ubuntu.com/12039574/
14:09 VanessaE       bas080: let's address that later.  I gotta do this part first.
14:10 bas080         VanessaE: understood
14:40 VanessaE       bas080: ok, your turn for tiny_trees
14:40 VanessaE       and others
14:40 VanessaE       the new topic for biome_lib is:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12999
14:42 kaeza          VanessaE, maybe you should also add an alias: plantslib = setmetatable({}, { __index=function(t,k) print("Use of deprecated function:", k) return biomes_lib[k] end })
14:44 VanessaE       good idea.
14:45 kaeza          of course, more elaborate
14:45 kaeza          take a look at how the .env: transition is done
14:45 kaeza          ...or I may come up with something later :P
14:46 VanessaE       merged.
14:46 VanessaE       (your first way)
15:24 WSDguy2014     Calinou, i have problem in version "0.4.13-RC": in radar mode don't show player marker :|
15:28 cornernote_    I was made to go to bed, but I found a loophole, irc on droid  ;)
15:32 VanessaE       bas080: https://github.com/bas080/vines/pull/3 , https://github.com/bas080/trees/pull/1
15:33 bas080         VanessaE: ty
15:33 VanessaE       Sokomine: https://github.com/Sokomine/random_buildings/pull/7 , https://github.com/Sokomine/mobf_trader/pull/3
15:33 VanessaE       nore: https://github.com/Ekdohibs/mg/pull/6
15:34 VanessaE       bas080, Sokomine, nore:  be sure you update your relevant forum topics
15:38 Calinou        therea re no such things, WSDguy2014...
15:38 Calinou        there are no player markers yet
15:38 VanessaE       Calinou: I think he means the red arrow in the square-map view?
15:38 Sokomine       pull requests...yes, i tend to forget about those...
15:38 VanessaE       Sokomine: those are just now :)
15:39 Calinou        the arrow appears only in square mode, not in round mode
15:39 WSDguy2014     Calinou, maybe found texture player arrow for radar.
15:39 Sokomine       ah :-)
15:45 VanessaE       nice timing
15:45 jojoa1997      hi
15:45 jojoa1997      o/ VanessaE
15:45 VanessaE       jojoa1997: https://github.com/jojoa1997/peaceful_npc/pull/1
15:45 jojoa1997      how are things going?
15:45 VanessaE       things are going okay,m same as usual
15:46 jojoa1997      lol it is perfect timing
15:47 VanessaE       cornernote_: biome_lib split completed, see above PRs.  Uploaded it to bower.
15:47 VanessaE       er submitted it.
15:47 jojoa1997      cornernote is back?
15:48 VanessaE       cornernote_: I do not see anything in the website that lets me set the dependencies
15:48 VanessaE       yep, he is
15:50 VanessaE       Sokomine: actually, ignore mobf_trader #3.  copy&paste error (doesn't break, just reads wrong in the comments)
15:50 jojoa1997      VanessaE is biome_lib also yours?
15:51 VanessaE       jojoa1997: yep.  it's plants_lib, renamed
15:51 VanessaE       I split it off from plantlife modpack
15:52 VanessaE       Sokomine: https://github.com/Sokomine/mobf_trader/pull/4
15:52 jojoa1997      huh? why does my main page say biome_lib?
15:53 VanessaE       because I edited it :)
15:53 jojoa1997      oh
15:53 cornernote_    vanessa, look in docs > bower format
15:53 VanessaE       didn't expect you to be around :)
15:54 VanessaE       oh yeah
15:54 cornernote_    it shows a detailed list of all the bower.json options
15:54 VanessaE       cornernote_: I see it
15:55 jojoa1997      VanessaE (^.^)b
15:58 bas080         cornernote_: still not sure how to configure the dependencies. I'll google. any suggestions for tuts/resources?
15:59 bas080         for example what if i want this version to support the latest version of the mod it depends on. How would i do that?
16:03 cornernote_    bas080, look at bower.json in bags mod
16:04 cornernote_    hard to type on tablet, so allow time for me to answer
16:05 cornernote_    i think you can use * as the version number
16:07 Calinou        you can, I guess
16:07 Calinou        you can use ^ for "and newer" too
16:07 Calinou        (I guess, like npm)
16:08 Sokomine       jojoa1997: it would be nice to get your friendly mobs back :-)
16:09 cornernote_    it uses semver version tags, have a look here: https://github.com/npm/node-semver
16:10 cornernote_    Calinou, do you know whats the diff between > and ^ ?
16:12 Calinou        nope
16:12 jojoa1997      Sokomine I think i will start trying mod again soon. Once my intership with the college is done i will have a little more time
16:17 cornernote_    i see, its explained here: https://github.com/npm/node-semver#caret-ranges-123-025-004
16:18 cornernote_    ^1.2.3 is the same as  >=1.2.3 <2.0.0
16:19 cornernote_    so if you want the latest, you use >=1.0.0, but if you want the latest v1 but not v2, you use ^1.0.0
16:23 cornernote_    and ~ is for minor versiions..  ~1.2.3 is the same as >=1.2.3 <1.3.0
16:23 cornernote_    seems nice
16:24 cornernote_    i'll link the docs to that page
16:24 Calinou        wow
16:24 Calinou        such semantic
16:24 Calinou        very versioned
16:27 cornernote_    just have to prey mod devs dont do breaking changes without giving appropriate new versions
16:28 cornernote_    pray even
16:28 cornernote_    i think people who dont know how to give appropriate version numbers will soon learn
16:30 Krock          eliminate version numbers and use git hashes >:)
16:31 VanessaE       "Git URLs can be restricted to a reference (revision SHA, branch, or tag) by appending it after a hash, e.g. https://github.com/owner/package.git#branch."
16:32 Krock          !tell est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ba5e4d#diff-c8e6e8c951f32c01e78259462cc8f084R41 "die c->C heckbox"
16:32 MinetestBot    Krock: I'll pass that on when est31 is around
16:32 cornernote_    bas080, you missed the "a" in your name in inbox bower
16:34 Calinou        I don't use version numbers for my mods
16:35 cornernote_    Krock and VanessaE, thats fine to do it, but semver means if you change your mod from v1 to v2 (which implies you did breaking changes) then it wont get that code, but if you do a bugfix with a minor change then it will get that code
16:37 cornernote_    so 1.0.0 to 1.0.1 should be the same api and not break anything (will be backwards compatible)... but 2.0.0 you can expect to not be backwards compatible
16:38 cornernote_    Calinou, its upto each mod developer how they name versions, but using semver is a great advantage to those who depend on a certain version of your mod
16:39 bas080         cornernote_: checking this a out
16:39 bas080         cornernote_: bs080 oops
16:42 cornernote_    the community of mod devs is not small, and its growing all the time... we should be re-using (using dependancies) existing code and not re-inventing wheels...  i think its important to use version numbers thoughtfully
16:44 cornernote_    i think 1.0.0 to 1.0.1 is like bug fixes and minor tweaks, no api change... 1.0.0 to 1.1.0 is backward compatible, but may have new features... 1.0.0 to 2.0.0 is non-backwards compatible (aka breaking changes)
16:49 Calinou        http://semver.org
16:51 cornernote_    yes, but i found that page harder to understand than the node page on semver
16:51 cornernote_    that page is the official specs
16:52 cornernote_    how funny, version numbers need such a large specification
16:56 cornernote_    another note about semver, anything <1.0.0 may have breaking changes in any version change
16:57 bas080         cornernote_: where should i define the version? as a tag in git or in the bower.json version property?
16:57 bas080         cornernote_: that's some really good info. thnx
16:57 cornernote_    go to github project >releases > draft a new release
16:58 cornernote_    that will create a tag for you, and will also create the zips/tarballs for the release
16:59 cornernote_    the version tag in bower.json is depricated and should not be used
17:10 freelikegnu    I'm thinking goblins would be a fun addition.  Here is my work so far: http://freelikegnu.org/random/goblin0.91ex.png
17:11 freelikegnu    have a bit of texture work to do yet, the model, animation is done
17:12 Krock          cute :D
17:13 freelikegnu    I'm curious though if an npc mod can wield something
17:14 freelikegnu    npc mob
17:15 kaeza          why not?
17:16 kaeza          implement it :)
17:17 freelikegnu    I was looking a tenplus1 npc mob as a base for the goblin and most everything I need is there, except the npc wielding an item
17:18 freelikegnu    I'm not sure the the api in MT supports mobs wielding things
17:19 kaeza          freelikegnu: yes. see set_attach
17:19 kaeza          or something like that
17:20 kaeza          it was used by an old mod to make plaers hold items
17:20 kaeza          +y
17:21 kaeza          3d_armor I think
17:22 freelikegnu    when I finish the goblins model and textures, I'll put it out there for someone to work magic with code
17:22 freelikegnu    should be fun to wee what happens
17:22 freelikegnu    see
17:29 [Guard]Dave    #breballloves-server
17:30 VanessaE       maybe you want  /join #breballloves-server
17:30 [Guard]Dave    oh,
17:35 [Guard]Dave    irc for all servers of minetest :  https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.inchra.net:+6697/
17:35 Krock          old news
17:49 amadin         Does this error can freeze (hanging) the server?
17:49 amadin         ERROR[ServerThread]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "ethereal:fence_acacia" at (48,37,-294) (block (3,2,-19))
17:50 amadin         full trouble here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13001
17:51 VanessaE       the "trying to replace CONTENT_IGNORE" usually means the node you're trying to set is undefined.
17:51 VanessaE       place*
17:52 VanessaE       no idea on the rest of your errors.
17:52 amadin         oh it's good, because i deleted some mods
17:53 amadin         but server freeze for uncnown reason for me
17:53 amadin         unknown
17:54 VanessaE       then keep removing mods
17:55 VanessaE       most common cause of freezing is some mod that's getting stuck in a loop, or a "lag machine" built from technic and/or mesecons components.
17:56 amadin         i deleted pipeworks, conpassgps and memorandum mods
17:57 amadin         can i delete automaticaly all unknown blocks?
17:57 VanessaE       no
17:57 VanessaE       at least, I don't know of any mod that can automatically do that.
17:58 amadin         so if i installed mod, i can't delete it? it's crazy
17:58 VanessaE       you can delete it
17:58 VanessaE       but if it leaves unknown nodes you will have to remove them by hand
17:58 VanessaE       or write a mod to remove the,m
17:58 VanessaE       them*
18:00 amadin         it's crazy to delete all unknown nodes by hand and i don't know how to write mods
18:00 amadin         does /clearobjects will not help me?
18:00 VanessaE       no
18:01 VanessaE       that's for entities e.g. dropped objects
18:01 CWz            VanessaE: i getting an error with item frames
18:01 VanessaE       what's the error?
18:02 cornernote_    pilzadam had a mod that did it
18:02 CWz            .../world_1/worldmods/homedecor_modpack/itemframes/init.lua:113: attempt to index global 'default' (a nil value)
18:02 cornernote_    deleted all unknowns
18:02 cimbakahn      Does anyone have a link to the newest Novagen mod?
18:02 VanessaE       CWz: um...pretty sure you know how to fix that ;)
18:02 VanessaE       update your minetest_game
18:03 CWz            Already up-to-date.
18:03 cornernote_    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2777
18:03 VanessaE       then update your engine :)
18:03 CWz            did
18:03 VanessaE       cornernote_: yeah, not automated unfortunately - you still have to plug in the node names.
18:04 VanessaE       CWz: something must be broken in your install then or you're trying it with a game that doesn't have default defined properly :)
18:07 CWz            http://pastebin.com/hrFeDELc the full error
18:07 cimbakahn      I used to have lua errors.  Then i completely uninstalled my game and installed the newest version.  No more lua errors now.  Yay!
18:08 cimbakahn      Does anyone have a link to the newest Novagen mod?
18:09 CWz            could be related to mod security
18:09 VanessaE       I doubt it
18:09 VanessaE       it's calling for default.node_sound_defaults()
18:10 VanessaE       either your engine or your mt_game is not up-to-date
18:10 VanessaE       (may need a dev build)
18:10 CWz            i am using latest everything
18:10 VanessaE       line 113 is:  sounds = default.node_sound_defaults(),
18:11 VanessaE       something in your setup is wiping out the default{} table then
18:11 VanessaE       another mod somewhere?
18:11 VanessaE       search your tree for anything resembling "default = {}"
18:11 CWz            i added birthstones and quartz recently
18:12 cimbakahn      Is your minetest-0.4.12-dev?
18:16 cimbakahn      If you are using the latest minetest and are still having a problem, I would suggest checking your mods to be sure you have the newest version of each.
18:19 cimbakahn      I check the game after every single mod i install to be sure it is working.  I only install 1 mod at a time.
18:22 CWz            like i said i am at the latest commit of both engine and minetest_game
18:23 cimbakahn      You should go to the page that VanessaE gave me to get your minetest game.
18:23 VanessaE       I don't see anything in the code for quartz or birthstones that would do it.
18:23 VanessaE       cimbakahn: he's up-to-date already.
18:23 VanessaE       some other mod in his collection is breaking things.
18:23 cimbakahn      ok.
18:24 cimbakahn      It is probably an older mod.
18:26 CWz            and this is why i hate dependencies
18:26 cimbakahn      One way to find out is take all the mods out.  Put them in a separate folder on the desktop.  And just put in 1 at a time.  This way you'll know which one.
18:26 cimbakahn      Of course the errors probably tell you which ones.
18:26 CWz            this is a server
18:27 cimbakahn      I have no clue then.
18:28 VanessaE       cimbakahn's idea is correct though
18:28 cimbakahn      Does anyone have a link to the newest Novagen mod?
18:28 VanessaE       do a binary search
18:28 VanessaE       no idea what mod that even IS, cimbakahn
18:29 cimbakahn      Just a sec, and i'll show you.  It is only for my single player mode.
18:30 CWz            i didn't find anything related to default = {}
18:33 cimbakahn      It is underneath this video, when you click on SHOW MORE ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBwygvEJNA
18:33 VanessaE       bas080: you missed a PR:  https://github.com/bas080/trees/pull/1
18:34 CWz            Ok i just give up
18:34 VanessaE       CWz: don't give up
18:34 VanessaE       my guess is if you remove that mod, something else will throw the same error
18:36 CWz            [off] maybe proller snook in a PR
18:36 VanessaE       [off] haha
18:37 CWz            nvm i disable item frames and it seem a git pulll partly resture it
18:37 VanessaE       er
18:37 VanessaE       ooookay
18:40 MinetestBot    02[git] 04kaeza -> 03minetest/minetest: Update Spanish translation. 1346e4970 http://git.io/v3Lcx (152015-08-09T20:36:56+02:00)
18:42 CWz            kaeza good job. next rtl languages please
18:47 Krock          lol
18:48 cimbakahn      Maybe you have been trying too hard. If you take a break from it for a little while, you can come back at it with a fresher mind.
18:53 cimbakahn      I take breaks.  I get something like soup and salad or sandwich and tea, and take it outdoors, like a picnic.  And then i come back to the problem 30-45 minutes later.
18:55 cimbakahn      You don't want to give up because there is alot of fun in minetest.
18:58 cimbakahn      VanessaE: It is underneath this video, when you click on SHOW MORE ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBwygvEJNA
18:59 CWz            it's ok i figured it out. i disabled itemframes previously.  today when i used my git pull all mods it must have updated item_frames but it only restored it partly. so i ran git stash and everything works now. git stash to the rescue
19:00 CWz            the one disadvantages in using worldmods folder instead of mods
19:04 CWz            anyone seen Zeno`.
19:05 VanessaE       he goes in late at night
19:06 VanessaE       last time I "saw" him (in my logs) was a couple days ago
19:06 CWz            well if you see him tell him a CWz misses him
19:07 VanessaE       I will
19:09 cimbakahn      VanessaE: I don't really need that mod.  I just wanted to test it on a new single player world, and then delete the world when i'm done.
19:10 VanessaE       oh the mg mod?
19:10 VanessaE       this?  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7263
19:15 cimbakahn      It is the last one listed on that list, the Novagen mod.
19:16 rubenwardy     Hi all!
19:16 cimbakahn      I don't know if the one you linked me to is the same thing or not.  Actually i have never heard of the novagen mod either.
19:16 rubenwardy     mtpm doesn't require bower.json ;)
19:16 Calinou        bower.json is fine.
19:16 Calinou        it contains useful metadata, like license...
19:16 rubenwardy     Minetest already supports mod.conf
19:17 Calinou        we can't use that since it's not JSON
19:17 est31          thats not the problem
19:17 est31          we can use any format we wish
19:17 est31          I just think we shouldnt invent our own format
19:18 est31          so whether its bower.json or npm or pip or some other format, all are ok
19:18 est31          you know, that standards xkcd
19:18 VanessaE       ^^^^ and THAT is why I decided to wait on that whole bower.json thing cornernote wants us to do.
19:18 VanessaE       https://xkcd.com/927/
19:18 est31          yup :)
19:19 Calinou        sometimes inventing your own thing isn't a bad idea
19:20 Rice_Pancake   How do you check the items in a group?
19:21 cimbakahn      VanessaE: Cute comic!
19:22 Sketch2        right on with the xkcd   :)
19:24 Sketch2        freelikegnu  I'm diggin' the gremlin model.  need a mogwai in there 2
19:26 rubenwardy     Mtpm is based upon the mod manager in minetest (loosely, much has changed) and is written in Pure Lua so it could be used directly in the Minetest mainmenu.
19:26 Calinou        but we want something we're able to call from the command line too...
19:27 Rice_Pancake   Is there a way to find all the items in a group?
19:29 rubenwardy     MTPM can do that
19:29 rubenwardy     mtpm install packagename
19:29 rubenwardy     that's it's main purpose
19:41 cimbakahn      Does anyone have a link to the nether mod download page, the newest one for my version which is 0.4.12-dev ?
19:43 cimbakahn      I am here, but it is confusing ----> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5790  I don't know which link to click on.
19:43 Calinou        that mod is pretty outdated, but if you want: https://github.com/PilzAdam/nether/archive/voxelmanip.zip
19:44 cimbakahn      Calinou: Thank you very much.  I have used some of your mods reciently.
19:46 cimbakahn      Calinou: I will try it on a new world, that way i won't mess up my already existing world.
19:48 Sketch2        Mona Lisa project  -  http://oi58.tinypic.com/2jahx6e.jpg
20:04 cimbakahn      VanessaE: Which texture pack did you use in this picture ----> http://www.minetest.net/_media/minetest-screenshot-vanessa512hd-2.jpg?cache=
20:09 VanessaE       that's HDX
20:10 VanessaE       I should re-create that screeenshot, it's olllllllllld
20:10 cimbakahn      VanessaE: Ok.  HDX.  Which number HDX ?
20:11 VanessaE       looks like HDX512 full
20:11 cimbakahn      VanessaE: There is 16 all the way up to 256.
20:11 cimbakahn      VanessaE: Ok.
20:12 cimbakahn      VanessaE: Thank You!
20:27 asdf__         What is the default cooktime?
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21:07 Niebieski      Why Minetest is not included in the list of open-source games on wikipedia ?
21:07 Niebieski      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_video_games
21:07 nrzkt          Niebieski: edit and add it :D
21:08 freelikegnu    getting closer with me goblin http://freelikegnu.org/random/goblin0.93ex.png
21:08 Niebieski      I decided to ask so incase if it is not entirely opensource ?
21:08 nrzkt          it is
21:08 nrzkt          then it could be in the list
21:10 Niebieski      I'll try to add it.
21:17 asdf__         Does anyone know the default cooktime?
21:21 freelikegnu    try to cook before I get hungry
21:24 cimbakahn      What is the command to make time stop?
21:25 cimbakahn      This is not working ----> /time_speed 0
21:26 sfan5          /set -n time_speed 0
21:26 cimbakahn      ok.
21:27 VanessaE       Niebieski: wikipedia doesn't like minetest
21:27 VanessaE       it's "not notable"
21:28 cimbakahn      I think it worked.
21:29 Niebieski      I saved it. take a look. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_video_games
21:40 MinetestBot    02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix segfaults caused by the Environment not being initialized yet 13a953ff4 http://git.io/v3tqV (152015-08-09T23:36:55+02:00)
21:46 cimbakahn      What time is the brightest time of the day?  6000 / 7000 / 8000 etc etc?
21:47 VanessaE       anything between about 7000 and 16000 or so.
21:47 VanessaE       depends on the subgame and mods
21:47 VanessaE       as the day/night ratio can be altered
21:49 cimbakahn      I tryed 5000.  It was too dark.  6000 was ok.  7000 was brighter.
21:49 xenkey         try 12000
21:49 VanessaE       if you're testing for light level, don't use the timne of day.
21:49 VanessaE       check the actual light level ;)
21:54 cimbakahn      VanessaE: I don't know how to do that.
21:55 VanessaE       read the API doc :)
21:55 VanessaE       but it's probably something like minetest.get_nodeLight(pos) or so
21:55 VanessaE       er get_node_lighjt
21:55 VanessaE       fuck.
21:55 VanessaE       you get the point. :P
21:55 cimbakahn      HAHAHA!
21:55 cimbakahn      I will try.
21:56 VanessaE       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1917
22:10 cimbakahn      That is too confusing.  So far 16000 has been the best for brightness.
22:33 Jordach        cimbakahn, minetest.get_node_light(pos, nil)
22:33 Jordach        or even just ...(pos)
22:36 cimbakahn      Why isn't there anything in the ONLINE MOD REPOSITORY under the MODS tab?
22:37 VanessaE       because it's broken.
22:37 VanessaE       has been for a while
22:38 cimbakahn      Ok.
23:01 cimbakahn      What is the difference between the Unified Inventory mod and the craft guide mod?
23:02 VanessaE       totally different mods :P
23:03 VanessaE       unified inventory has an API, and combines things like a searchable creative inventory, storage bags, waypoints, and a bunch of other things, into a common interface.
23:03 VanessaE       including a crafting guide :)
23:04 cornernote__   And craft guide is a mod I started that has no api and the code base has turned to spaghetti over the years
23:04 VanessaE       heh
23:05 cornernote__   But give me a break, it was my first ever mod
23:05 VanessaE       no one hates your mod :)
23:05 * VanessaE     hands cornernote__ some pasta sauce
23:06 cimbakahn      When i had my previous minetest game installed i just used the craft guide mod and it gave me a modern looking computer monitor.  I placed it on a table.
23:07 cimbakahn      I just want the pc monitor and the craft guide.
23:09 MinetestBot    02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Tweak mushroom drops 137066a6a http://git.io/v3tEF (152015-08-10T01:03:15+02:00)
23:12 cimbakahn      To: Cornernote & VanessaE.  I have tryed alot of your mods and i like them very much.  You are 2 of the greatest minds in the minetest community.
23:13 cimbakahn      There are 6 others as well.
23:13 cimbakahn      I wish i knew what an API is?
23:17 VanessaE       :D
23:17 VanessaE       API: Application Programming Interface
23:17 VanessaE       it's what lets you write a program that calls functions and features in some other program
23:18 cornernote     V, craft guide was good for its time, and still is used today (which is awesome)... it not that the concept is bad, its just the code is bad
23:18 cornernote     but it works, just dont look inside the box and all is well =)
23:18 cornernote     when i wrote it, there was no way to get the crafts, and there was very little example mods that used formspec
23:19 cornernote     i was new to lua, so i didnt know how to structure things well within a growing codebase
23:19 cimbakahn      If i can teleport, i wouldn't have use for the bags.  I could just put a teleport device where i am at, and go to my chest, dump everything, then teleport back.  Is this correct?
23:20 cornernote     and since i left several other people did PRs which I accepted without any review process, so the code has gotten into a bit of an unmanagable state (at least for me)
23:20 Jordach        heyo cornernote
23:21 cornernote     hey Jordach
23:22 VanessaE       cimbakahn: in theory yeah, but then you'd be teleporting back to your storage area so often it would become a hassle :)
23:22 MinetestBot    02[git] 04LazyJ -> 03minetest/minetest_game: better jungle tree top image 136a64ec4 http://git.io/v3tzQ (152015-08-10T01:22:05+02:00)
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23:22 VanessaE       \o/
23:23 cimbakahn      I think with the craft guide mod, you would have to go to the PC for the guide, and that you can't take the guide with you?
23:23 cornernote     V, regarding mtpm vs bower... i plan to work together with rubenwardy on this issue to make mtpm use the minetest-bower repo list as the mtpm repository... but need to talk to him more about this
23:24 VanessaE       good idea indeed
23:25 cornernote     minetest-bower is still very much a proof-of-concept, and the only time i have been online at the same time as rubenwardy was while i was trying to get the site up
23:25 MinetestBot    02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Continue with 0.4.13-dev 13bba15f5 http://git.io/v3tgc (152015-08-09T23:49:39+02:00)
23:25 MinetestBot    02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Bump version to 0.4.13 1388eebff http://git.io/v3tgC (152015-08-09T23:49:39+02:00)
23:25 VanessaE       the biggest problem though is getting it to a state where it will sufficiently replace the existing mod store.
23:25 cornernote     a native lua installer would be really nice
23:25 VanessaE       (it's too bad all the entries therein have since been lost)
23:25 cornernote     whats the existing mod store?  the forum ?
23:26 VanessaE       nah
23:26 VanessaE       it was some database hosted by xyz and managed by iqfragile
23:27 VanessaE       (or however he spells his name.  iqualfragile?  something like that)
23:29 cornernote     so all the data is gone ?
23:29 cornernote     is there still a site ?
23:29 VanessaE       I don't know for sure
23:29 VanessaE       it might be just inaccessible (which may as well be the same thing I guess)
23:29 VanessaE       however most of the mods in the store were outdated
23:34 cornernote     i think i remember the site
23:34 cornernote     the problem i had with it was there was such a big form to fill in to register a mod
23:34 cornernote     it was too time consuming to keep it in sync with the git repo
23:35 cornernote     which is why i was aiming for something that fetches all the info from the repo where possible
23:35 cornernote     and anyone can register anyone elses mod, you don't have to be the author, you dont even have to login
23:36 cornernote     rubenwardy and Krock have provided me with a list of mods (about 500-600)
23:36 cornernote     which i will import into minetest-bower once i get it to a point where i'm ready to do so
23:42 est31          wow 600?!
23:42 est31          very cool
23:53 freelikegnu    for your consideration: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13004
23:53 twoelk         http://wiki.minetest.net/User:Twoelk/mods_list_experiments <- a list based on a list by JPRuehmann
23:54 twoelk         sadly with only few links
23:55 twoelk         so my estimate is there should be around 800 mods