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00:00 VanessaE generate a layer of maptools:fullclip under it
00:00 VanessaE (or cloud would work too - just anything that a player can't destroy)
00:02 cornernote i tried cloud, but i the lava generates, falls, then the cloud appears
00:03 VanessaE strange... there's mapgen hooks for making stuff in predictable layers
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00:13 cornernote i got it, i think i was replacing the cloud with water/lava
00:14 cornernote fixed that now
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00:19 cornernote i'd like to load in a WE schem on mapgen... anyone have some example code to do this ?
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02:06 freelikegnu VanessaE: have you encountered this issue with pyramids? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=11&t=7063&p=186197#p186197
02:16 cornernote seems minetest.override_item doesnt work as I expect...
02:16 cornernote i do this... minetest.override_item('default:tree', {groups = {oddly_breakable_by_hand = 0}})
02:17 cornernote and then i cannot break it by hand... but i also cant break it with an axe
02:19 cornernote oh, i see.. im overwriting ALL the groups with that code... my bad
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02:59 aerth i entered an incorrect email address at the forums
03:00 freelikegnu doh
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04:03 sloantothebone Does anybody like The Matrix?
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04:15 aerth hello
04:15 aerth does anyone here make mods
04:16 aerth can we do something like https://github.com/bolt/bolt-extensions for the minetest mods
04:17 aerth http://extensions.bolt.cm is what it looks like
04:18 aerth it makes it easy with tags and its all git repositorys for each module
04:20 kahrl aerth: like http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php or different?
04:21 aerth both like similar and different all the same time
04:22 aerth is ReactOS motto really "NEEDS YOUR HELP!" ?
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04:50 xfceKris Anyone else having trouble connecting to any of the servers?
04:52 xfceKris admittedly, I have a crappy internet connection to begin with, but if I can get netflix to work, but not able to connect to minetest, I'm thinking I'm not the one with the problem.
04:59 aerth which server i'll try
04:59 aerth some servers i cant load, takes too long
05:01 xfceKris Dan's carbone server.
05:01 xfceKris and xanadu.
05:03 aerth are u using xfce
05:04 xfceKris Yes
05:04 aerth awesome me too
05:04 xfceKris How did you guess?
05:04 aerth :D
05:04 xfceKris lmao
05:04 aerth xanadu is internationalized
05:05 aerth awesome
05:06 aerth both of those loaded for me
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05:42 hmmmm I am going to strangle sapier the next time i see him
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05:56 amadin Hot to add writing errors in log to mod?
05:56 amadin because server crash and i don't cnow why
05:57 amadin know
06:02 hmmmm adadin, I saw your error before
06:02 hmmmm usually errors from mods give much more information but the specific type of error your mod had somehow corrupted the internal Lua state thus causing another error while executing the error handler
06:03 hmmmm sadly there is no way to get a full backtrace like you would with a normal runtime error, but at least you'll be able to see which callback failed with my latest patch (which will soon be part of the master branch, pending approval)
06:04 hmmmm cherry pick this commit https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit​/9b394b0ee0cb0619395d3d986a28bde83c8878e2 and run minetest with that, you'll get more information
06:07 xfceKris aerth, what minetest build are you using?
06:08 xfceKris Also, does anyone else have any problem connecting to a server?
06:08 amadin 0.4.12-dev from sources
06:08 amadin linux
06:09 xfceKris dev-9c76f37 is the latest (I just updated an hour ago). Is that what you are on?
06:10 amadin yes all players was diconected
06:10 xfceKris all servers?
06:10 amadin i update server yestuday
06:10 xfceKris I haven't been able since yesterday, so that makes sense
06:11 amadin so i mau update server now?
06:11 amadin may
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06:11 xfceKris WTF, why did I just disconnect from freenode?
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06:14 xfceKris also, amadin, no matter what server I try to connect to, I get an error that the connection timed out....on EVERY server.
06:16 xfceKris w/e, I gotta be up in the morning. I'll try to figure it out later.
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07:09 cornernote if i put textures on my server, will players see those textures or the default ones ?
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08:03 cornernote how do i register a new priv ?
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08:08 GunshipPenguin cornernote: http://dev.minetest.net/mi​netest.register_privilege
08:09 cornernote thanks @GunshipPenguin
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08:11 cornernote do you happen to know the answer to my last question regarding server textures ?
08:12 GunshipPenguin I'm not sure what textures you're referring to exactly, can you clarify?
08:14 cornernote for example, say i want a different image for the empty bucket, but i dont want it just for my client, i want it for anyone who joins my server...
08:14 cornernote if i put it in minetest/textures, will that work ?
08:14 cornernote or is that just for the local client ?
08:18 GunshipPenguin Yes, If you were to replace a texture in a subgame or mod running on a server, that change would be seen by clients connecting to your server.
08:19 GunshipPenguin When a client connects to a server, mods/textures on their local machine are not used.
08:19 cornernote so i have to replace the texture in the mod, i cant just put it into the minetest/textures folder ?
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08:22 GunshipPenguin If you wanted to for instance, change the bucket texture seen by players connecting to a server, you would change the bucket.png file.
08:23 GunshipPenguin Located within the mods/bucket/textures directory within minetest_game
08:25 cornernote yeah, i was hoping i could do it without overwriting that
08:26 cornernote oh well, thanks anyway
08:27 GunshipPenguin Sorry, what exactly do you want to do? If you want clients to see a modified texture, you of course have to modify a texture.
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08:31 GunshipPenguin Oh, I see what you mean
08:31 GunshipPenguin You're talking about the textures directory for the minetest engine
08:31 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Work Like A Dog Day! 😃
08:32 GunshipPenguin Morning? It's 1:30 AM here in Vancouver :P
08:33 GunshipPenguin Cornernote: If you're talking about the minetest/textures directory, then no, you can't just drop textures for minetest_game in there and have them sent to clients. You're confusing the minetest engine and minetest_game
08:34 JamesTait GunshipPenguin, AM is morning! 😉
08:35 GunshipPenguin Well technically speaking I suppose :)
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08:50 kaeza <cornernote> for example, say i want a different image for the empty bucket, but i dont want it just for my client, i want it for anyone who joins my server...
08:51 kaeza AFAIK, you can put textures into <minetest>/textures/server and they will be served as if they were a custom tex pack
08:51 kaeza i.e. they will override the ones in the mods
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08:52 cornernote kaeza, thanks... i just noticed that when i read the texture_packs_here.txt :)
08:59 kaeza xban2 is listed on minetest.net/mods :O
09:04 aerth kaeza: is there a whitelist username (for example so moderators dont ban the server owner)
09:06 kaeza aerth, nope
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09:06 aerth cool
09:07 aerth still installin it
09:07 aerth :D
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10:09 ThatGraemeGuy cornernote: https://github.com/cornernote​/minetest-skyblock/issues/24 when you're bored ;-)
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10:42 rubenwardy !seen Krock
10:42 MinetestBot rubenwardy: krock was last seen at 2015-05-17 16:34:29 UTC on #minetest
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11:41 amadin Does anybody can help me with crash server? http://fpaste.org/251711/74859143/
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11:48 Sketch2 not certain, but I like how it phrases it "error in error handling"
11:49 Sketch2 what version of MT and OS is the server running?
11:50 amadin MT 0.4.12-dev linux from this https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest
11:50 amadin amd64
11:51 H-H-H lol
11:51 amadin in standart MT this error is too
11:51 H-H-H i didnt realise amd64 was an os :P
11:51 amadin x64 i mean
11:52 amadin x86_64
11:52 H-H-H yes but you were asked what os
11:52 amadin debian jessy
11:52 H-H-H ubuntu,fedora,arch,puppy,android or whatever ?
11:54 Sketch2 has it happened before?
11:54 Sketch2 I'm seeing "compassgps writing settings" right before it happened
11:54 amadin yes 2 days every 1-3 hours
11:55 Sketch2 has that mod caused you trouble?
11:56 amadin i use compassgps a long time and it not have trouble
11:56 amadin but 2-3 days ago i have crash every 1-3 hours, i deleted last installed mods but it not help
11:57 amadin also i edit some mods so may this is trouble
11:59 amadin but i don't edit compass
12:00 amadin but if i undo my changes in the modes - then it will like be guessing the stars
12:01 amadin may i add debuging to mods?
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12:05 amadin or maybe you have program or script to test mods fo errors and typos?
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12:08 amadin me crazy these useless errors in log
12:09 amadin i not have team of testers to test every mod
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12:15 * H-H-H deltes what he was typing
12:17 Sketch2 it's hard to tell what's happening.  was going to ask for more log info, but he quit
12:19 H-H-H he has been n the last 2 days demanding ppl fix his issue and when they dont answer he gets the hump and usually says sometrhing silly like yesterday he said minetest was the buggyest thing ever then quit
12:19 H-H-H we are not here to serve anyone we just try to help
12:34 arsdragonfly try binary search when mods break
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12:50 VanessaE ~tell amadin then remove ALL OF YOUR MODS and test again, re-add them ONE at a time until you find the source of the crash.
12:50 ShadowBot VanessaE: O.K.
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13:06 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=10789
13:06 rubenwardy VanessaE ^
13:08 VanessaE moved to old mods.
13:08 VanessaE (because hybrid_dog still has an outdated fork, and deleting a thread on request is not something we do)
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13:24 ThatGraemeGuy cornernote: looks as if the worst of the bugginess is done for now, there are 3 new players that joined recently and in logs I see that they they have progressed half way through level 3 already without issue
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13:33 VanessaE cornernote: one thing skyblock has a problem with is how lag affects furnaces and chests.  they tend to basically hang for minutes at a time
13:33 VanessaE (but that may be a problem with the server I was playing on)
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13:44 ThatGraemeGuy VanessaE: i noticed that on stormchaser3000's server, but have not noticed on mine
13:45 ThatGraemeGuy mine's much newer though, it's still pretty small and i don't think more than 10 people were on there at a time
13:45 ThatGraemeGuy http://mt.thatgraemeguy.co.za/skyblock.png
13:45 Calinou https://blog.documentfoundation.or​g/2015/08/05/libreoffice-5-0-stand​s-out-from-the-office-suite-crowd/
13:45 Calinou LibreOffice 5.0 released
13:46 VanessaE ThatGraemeGuy: interesting.  I wonder what stormchaser's map would look like
13:46 rubenwardy fuck you lua
13:46 rubenwardy local data = line:split(",")
13:46 rubenwardy if #data == 3 then
13:46 rubenwardy local author = data[0]:trim()
13:46 VanessaE btw do I see a couple of nyan cats in there? :)
13:47 VanessaE rubenwardy: now now :)
13:47 rubenwardy print("found " + author + "/" + basename + ": " + url)
13:47 rubenwardy :'(
13:47 ThatGraemeGuy yeah, and you can't get to them because if you descend below Y=-8 you respawn
13:48 ThatGraemeGuy a rude awakening awats those who dare attempt such a thing
13:48 VanessaE that's mean :)
13:49 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/mt_mod_forum_parser/
13:49 ThatGraemeGuy such is the skyblock life ;-p
13:49 rubenwardy much more accurate than Krock's mod search
13:49 rubenwardy in terms of getting a download url
13:49 VanessaE you know, I still to this day have not figured out how to climb down when there's not already something below me.
13:50 VanessaE rubenwardy: nice idea!
13:50 ThatGraemeGuy VanessaE: water elevator
13:50 VanessaE oh for crying out loud
13:50 VanessaE why didn't I think of that?
13:50 ThatGraemeGuy :)
13:51 VanessaE now I feel totally stupid.
13:51 ThatGraemeGuy go forth and build ye a basement
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14:07 yaman one of my formspec buttons is not passing any fields when pressed, here is the formspec code http://codebin.org/view/dc470725:
14:07 yaman please help
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14:16 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm/commit​/c655eb1ae135d2989849602d0517ab690b6bda86
14:17 rubenwardy !tell Krock https://github.com/rubenwardy/mt_mod_forum_parser
14:17 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when Krock is around
14:17 VanessaE rubenwardy: you really should work on getting that into core
14:17 rubenwardy mtpm?
14:17 VanessaE yeah, if it's what I think it is
14:17 rubenwardy It well be
14:17 rubenwardy *will
14:17 rubenwardy I will try to
14:17 VanessaE seeing how the existing "mod store" was an abject failure
14:17 VanessaE (sorry iq)
14:18 rubenwardy !tell Krock renamed to https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists
14:18 MinetestBot rubenwardy: yeah, sure, whatever
14:19 VanessaE one thing though:  don't download the .zip if you can possibly `git clone --recursive`.  the zip isn't recursive.
14:20 rubenwardy That would require git :P
14:20 rubenwardy What if no git?
14:21 VanessaE er..
14:21 VanessaE then download the zip I guess
14:21 VanessaE or hard-dep on git
14:22 Amaz Could you make it refuse to download the zip if it detects that the repository has submodules?
14:22 rubenwardy Mtpm is designed so that it could be executed in builtin/mainmenu's Lua environments
14:22 VanessaE Amaz: that would require git too
14:23 VanessaE rubenwardy: https://github.com/quarnster/sublime_package_contr​ol/commit/9fe2fc2cad9bd2e7e1a38d7e5d4aaa02fb2b4aea
14:24 VanessaE looks like someone else has already attempted to solve the issue from outside github
14:31 rubenwardy any ideas? https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm/issues/6
14:31 rubenwardy !title
14:31 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Support for luarocks --local · Issue #6 · rubenwardy/mtpm · GitHub
14:32 VanessaE idk about luarocks, but I sent github a request regarding submodules in ZIP, and pointed them to some of the search results I found (to subtly remind them that it's been years now with no improvement)
14:49 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm/commit​/5f6a226982382b38b1361f452b5e0588a31e4f15
14:49 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Add support for luarocks --local · rubenwardy/mtpm@5f6a226 · GitHub
14:49 rubenwardy yay
14:49 rubenwardy found the answer on a random maillist on the second page of google results
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15:19 twoelk rubenwardy, I wonder wether your mod_list script could be used to create a dynamic wiki page.
15:19 rubenwardy I wouldn't be hard to expand it to add topics urls and titles
15:20 rubenwardy *it
15:20 rubenwardy However it has a high level of validation: if it can't find a basename and a download link, it aborts that mod (doesn't add it)
15:20 rubenwardy so lots of topics are missed
15:21 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_li​sts/blob/gh-pages/update_mods.py#L150
15:21 rubenwardy just need to add      idx = url.find("&sid")     if idx:  url = url[:idx]   then ", " + title + ", " + url
15:22 twoelk yeah, -    besides I haven't a clue how updates to such a list in a wiki page should be triggered
15:22 rubenwardy you could output as mediawiki format and then update manually
15:23 twoelk btw - could you also add list of subgames function?
15:24 rubenwardy will do soon
15:24 rubenwardy I need it for mtpm
15:24 rubenwardy I'm also going to add subgames
15:24 rubenwardy *texture packs
15:26 * twoelk wonders wether a list of skins, sounds (or music media) or meshes would be of any use
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15:28 rubenwardy there's that skin repo
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16:14 rubenwardy Look what I found: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=10418
16:14 rubenwardy Apparently it was lost
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16:24 freelikegnu I wonder if it would make sense to add git support to MT
16:25 Calinou for what?
16:26 rubenwardy please delete this: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=10418
16:26 freelikegnu so git repos could be pulled from within the game
16:26 freelikegnu er projects, not repos
16:27 freelikegnu git seems to be great for adding mods and games
16:28 freelikegnu and many great mods are hosted on git repositories
16:28 freelikegnu particularly github
16:29 rubenwardy twoelk: https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm​_lists/blob/gh-pages/subgames.csv
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16:30 * twoelk stops punching a tree and looks
16:30 freelikegnu nice list, rubenwardy
16:31 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/mt​pm_lists/blob/gh-pages/mods.csv too]
16:31 rubenwardy oh crap
16:31 rubenwardy http://en.wikipedia.org
16:32 freelikegnu yup that is wikipedia
16:32 rubenwardy I broke something :(
16:32 twoelk hm, I got some 79 or so  listed here -> http://wiki.minetest.net/List_of_Subgames
16:33 twoelk some subgames only live on github though
16:33 rubenwardy yeah, it's only a forum parser
16:33 rubenwardy and I need to fix download detection
16:33 twoelk and probably not all work with mt-dev
16:34 rubenwardy it's missing this link: https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_game
16:34 rubenwardy com'on
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16:34 VanessaE forum page for that one is https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9196
16:34 twoelk can't remeber if some subgames use a dropbox link
16:35 rubenwardy yeah
16:35 rubenwardy I have code to detect that: https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm​_lists/blob/gh-pages/common.py#L85
16:35 rubenwardy But it's not working for dreambuilder for some reason :(
16:36 VanessaE dreambuilder uses submodules, so you have to recursively clone it
16:36 rubenwardy this is sort of depressing: https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_l​ists/blob/gh-pages/common.py#L53-L54
16:39 freelikegnu Calinou: here is something using git to manage mods for TES and such: https://loot.github.io/doc​s/0.7.0/LOOT%20Readme.html
16:39 twoelk at the bottom of the wiki list of subgames there is also this link to history: http://minetest.org/data/gamezips/index.html
16:42 rubenwardy weird, it doesn't even detect https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_game
16:44 rubenwardy it's because there's a syntax error
16:44 rubenwardy stupid phpbb
16:46 twoelk Is the internal name of Decoblocks by Thermal_Shock really R5 ?
16:46 rubenwardy no :P
16:48 twoelk and World by Wuzzy is actually "Tutorial"
16:48 Wuzzy ??
16:48 Wuzzy It's called "Tutorial World"
16:48 Wuzzy or whatever you are talking about... lol
16:49 rubenwardy the parser is still wip
16:49 rubenwardy subgame especially
16:51 aerth Who is alexxito and what is the password they used to temporarily break auth.txt (and prevent server from starting) ! :(
16:51 rubenwardy error?
16:52 freelikegnu Calinou: what was the reasoning for abandoning tin ore?
16:52 twoelk hm the titel is "[Game]/[World] Tutorial [1.8.0]" how is a parser to conclude that is "Tutorial-World"?
16:52 Calinou freelikegnu, steel is used by minetest_game
16:53 rubenwardy Wuzzy, https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists/
16:53 aerth auth.txt error : http://hastebin.com/raw/oravitized
16:53 freelikegnu Calinou: and what has that to do with tin?
16:54 Wuzzy twoelk: The subgame is called "Tutorial", the world is called "Tutorial World". Also: Why the hell should I obey to parsers needs? o_O xD
16:54 Calinou well, adding tin would create incompatibilities
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16:54 Calinou and people complaining "how do i make bronze" :/
16:54 aerth btw rubenwardy i like the git support. bolt.cm does something like with their extensions
16:55 freelikegnu in NG bronze is made from steel and copper.... and is an upgrade from steel.  It seems not right IMHO
16:55 twoelk indeed the Tutorial is a special case
16:55 Calinou Bolt looks nice
16:55 aerth it is awesome
16:56 aerth "never use wordpress again!" is not really their motto
16:56 rubenwardy ah
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16:56 rubenwardy Unable to get basename from "[Game]/[World] Tutorial [1.8.0]"
16:56 rubenwardy ("/" is not a valid basename)
16:57 rubenwardy it was World before because I hadn't told it to ignore [World] tags
16:57 rubenwardy hmmm
16:58 rubenwardy works now
16:59 freelikegnu Calinou: whats your feeling on removing bronze and crafting copper items as a lower tier to iron items made from iron ingots?
17:02 Calinou meh
17:02 VanessaE why not just add tin, silver and mithril to the game?
17:02 VanessaE people like them
17:02 Calinou I don't want to differ too much from minetest_game
17:02 Calinou I might do that, but it won't be More Ores
17:02 Calinou it'll be redone entirely
17:02 Calinou because More Ores does things poorly
17:02 VanessaE fair enough
17:02 freelikegnu minetest_game makes bronze from steel and copper?!
17:02 Calinou I'll just call it More Ores NG or such :p
17:02 VanessaE as long as the node/item names are the same (or aliased)
17:03 VanessaE freelikegnu: stupidly, yes
17:03 Calinou or I could redo More Ores in a compatible way
17:03 freelikegnu gads
17:07 freelikegnu guess theres some work to do and a pull request for me to make this week :D
17:07 freelikegnu I can only hope
17:08 VanessaE Calinou: one thing though, I think you could safely drop the silver and tin tools :)
17:08 VanessaE (but keep the mithril ones)
17:11 freelikegnu I personally like the progression of wood, stone, bronze (from copper and say tin is magically combined), steel (from iron with carbon magically combined), etc...
17:12 aerth silver and tin tools seem like they would break
17:12 freelikegnu so you dont have to require tin or carbon to make bronze or steel and bronze does not end up as an upgrade over steel
17:12 aerth lets get some adamantine and mithril
17:12 VanessaE heh
17:13 freelikegnu I also have other radical ideas, but they would disrupt the MT canon
17:14 freelikegnu such as renaming mese as unobtanium
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17:28 aerth leverite = unminable
17:33 twoelk aerth: very new clients seem to handle passwords differently than somewhat older ones - you might have run into that issue
17:33 aerth thank u
17:33 aerth i thought it was just a foreign character or an extra long pw or something
17:34 twoelk could be or could be sometthing else :-D
17:35 twoelk aerth: http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2015-08-04#i_4350608 could be the same issue or completely unrelated ;-P
17:37 aerth btw the server is running now that i removed the line from auth.txt
17:38 aerth seems like a different issue.
17:38 aerth the server can not start with the line in auth.txt
17:38 aerth (nothing for the client to connect to)
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17:39 aerth your issue sounds like just storing the wrong password
17:39 aerth leaving the server to be able to restarted again and again
17:40 twoelk not exactly wrong password, rather security blasting a false positive
17:44 twoelk if that was an old password that had worked before then I guess it should be added to est31's pile of possible SRP issues
17:44 aerth ah good point
17:45 aerth "was the password a new one."
17:49 aerth that information is unavailable
17:49 twoelk well was it a new player?
17:50 aerth still checking
17:52 aerth No the player is from july 31 , one of the oldest characters on the world
17:53 aerth whatever if it happens again just remove the line ;D
18:01 twoelk when did you last update the server? my problems started with a version from mid july
18:01 twoelk july 2015
18:02 rubenwardy hmmm https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_li​sts/blob/gh-pages/lists/mods.csv#L392
18:02 twoelk derp - strike that - was something different
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18:14 rubenwardy Sounds like SRP problems twoelk aerth
18:15 twoelk that 's what I was assuming
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18:27 twoelk rubenwardy: a quickanddirty comparism  http://pastebin.com/jaZATFpL (sorry lost the links but the numbers corespond to the ones on the wikipage)
18:28 twoelk *correspond
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18:30 rubenwardy I know some aren't there: https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/af81eda2ff0931cd3690
18:30 rubenwardy syntax errors on the forum is causing it to fail :(
18:33 twoelk not complaining you are missing something - just looking for patterns
18:33 rubenwardy phpbb is so broken :(
18:34 twoelk GrailTest and Lux_Solis for example may use difficult characters in their name
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18:35 rubenwardy do they appear in the mod releases topic?
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18:37 twoelk the apostroph may also be a problem and maybe Vanessa's use of a tarball
18:40 twoelk btw, Josh's game is called Cubes
18:40 VanessaE apostrophes where?
18:43 exio4 how is everybody going
18:43 VanessaE hi exio4
18:43 exio4 hi VanessaE, how is it going?
18:44 VanessaE it's going ok
18:46 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2742 for example uses "M13's Minecraft Classic For Minetest" as name
18:46 exio4 :P
18:46 rubenwardy i've got around that
18:46 rubenwardy What do you think this is: http://pasteboard.co/2uVYGrTH.png
18:47 rubenwardy It should at least pick up VanessaE's github link. But it doesn't due to HTML syntax errors, it only shows viewtopic links.
18:47 twoelk breackfast?
18:48 VanessaE sorta looks like bacon, egg, and some vegetable
18:48 rubenwardy yay
18:48 rubenwardy well
18:48 Amaz Sausage, bacon, beans and toast?
18:48 VanessaE carrots maybe
18:49 rubenwardy top-right is toast, left is sausage, bottom left is bacon, bottom right is beans.
18:49 VanessaE interesting breakfast
18:49 H-H-H looks like my toilet after a night out with the lads :P
18:49 VanessaE here it would be bacon, eggs, toast, and sometimes a piece of fruit
18:49 rubenwardy Not enough space for hash browns or egg
18:50 twoelk yup, variant of british breackfast as I remember it
18:50 rubenwardy yeah, it's for food_english
18:50 Amaz :D
18:51 twoelk you'd just have some bread and spread in northern germany - may be different in the south
18:51 rubenwardy added eggs and hash browns
18:51 twoelk or a pot of muessli
18:52 VanessaE rubenwardy: don't forget to get meat from carbone_mobs.  Calinou:  chickens, eggs and milk? ;)
18:52 twoelk uhm, what mod had beans? Solar's?
18:52 Calinou VanessaE, sadly I'm busy, working on AwesomeBump translation, French translation of svgontheweb.com and more :(
18:52 VanessaE :(
18:52 Calinou AwesomeBump documentatipn*
18:52 Calinou documentation**
18:53 rubenwardy No mods have beans :(
18:53 VanessaE Calinou: everyone keeps begging me to enable cakes and the like.  I need milk and eggs for that :P
18:53 rubenwardy I love the textures for cupcakes in food_sweet
18:55 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=7307 <-beans     -     of some sort
18:55 VanessaE haha
18:56 VanessaE aeroponics used to have green beans I think
18:56 rubenwardy Hmmm, also: plates
18:57 VanessaE plates: easy.
18:57 VanessaE homedecor:cutlery
18:57 VanessaE (or cutlery_set, whatever I called it)
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18:57 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/mi​netest/homedecor-crafting-guide/kitchen-other.html
18:57 twoelk I had always wondered if you could make plates or tabletops like signs - so that you can add different stuff to the same node
18:58 twoelk like have one or two or.... plates on a table
18:58 VanessaE twoelk: impossible to do it right, but the closest would be something similar to an item_frame
18:58 VanessaE (where the "extra thing on top" is actually an entity attached to the base node)
18:59 twoelk that was the idea
18:59 twoelk never got to how to place or aline the stuff though
18:59 VanessaE pull requests welcome ;)
19:00 twoelk played with stacking partly transparent stuff
19:00 twoelk bah, my grafik card didn'Ät approve of my grafic skills
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19:01 xfceKris Dan's Carbone Server needs to upgrade to allow more users.
19:02 xfceKris 15 isn't enough for a server as popular as that.
19:04 rubenwardy thinking of making a food_cooking mod
19:05 rubenwardy replaces crafting for making food
19:05 rubenwardy so you actually have to use ovens, microwaves, frying pans, etc
19:05 VanessaE interesting idea
19:05 VanessaE but the problem is furnaces only take a single item as input
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19:06 VanessaE but then again you already mostly handle that
19:06 VanessaE with e.g. cake batter and so on
19:06 rubenwardy it would be a custom formspec etc
19:06 rubenwardy a furnace is pure mod
19:06 rubenwardy iirc
19:06 Sketch2 Vanessa, are you an admin on Stormchaser's skyblock?
19:06 VanessaE Sketch2: yes
19:06 VanessaE what'
19:06 VanessaE what's up?
19:07 Sketch2 I think I botched my password when I created an acc't there
19:07 Sketch2 I just tried it out today.  I'm horrible with typing, and can't get in
19:07 VanessaE one sec..
19:08 VanessaE server looks pretty full at the moment but lemme try
19:09 rubenwardy https://raw.githubusercontent.com/rubenwardy/food_​english/master/textures/food_english_breakfast.png
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19:09 VanessaE Sketch2: try it now (/msg)
19:09 Sketch2 tyvm dear
19:10 Sketch2 hmm, nada.  still says invalid password
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19:11 VanessaE Sketch2: must be an SRP issue then
19:12 Sketch2 Serpy-derpy-nee-hoo?
19:12 Sketch2 (it's from Tommy Boy)
19:12 Sketch2 I dunno what SRP stands for
19:12 VanessaE some password security protocol that est31 added.  causes conflicts with old clients.
19:13 Sketch2 Mine's runnig git, and I can log in as Dylan5 ok
19:13 VanessaE well I just changed the password for "Sketch2" but maybe it broke..
19:14 VanessaE have stormchaser delete your account entry from auth.txt and then re-create it
19:14 Sketch2 ok ty.  I'm not that worried 'bout it.  gonna get something to snack on
19:23 xfceKris How does one get string from cotton?
19:23 VanessaE just drop it in the crafting grid
19:24 xfceKris Tried that, didn't work...maybe lag...
19:24 xfceKris Yeah, no go.
19:25 Sketch2 ty V.  all's well now
19:25 VanessaE good deal
19:26 xfceKris nvm, figured out a work around. I guess Dan's Carbone excluded string, and just used cotton for a replacement.
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20:52 MinetestBot [git] RealBadAngel -> minetest/minetest: Fix tiling issues for PLANTLIKE and FIRELIKE with FSAA 3295f3c http://git.io/vO1ip (2015-08-05T22:52:32+02:00)
20:54 freelikegnu :o
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21:32 premorphos I have trouble making gunpowder, even tough i made a clean install. and i cant realy figure out whats wrong, am i lacking a mod prehaps?
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21:39 freelikegnu using coal and gravel I assume? http://wiki.minetest.net/Coal_Lump
21:39 premorphos yes that iv alreay tryed
21:40 premorphos exactly as the wiki sugested
21:41 freelikegnu are you playing in single or multiplayer mode?
21:41 freelikegnu it is disabled by default in mp mode
21:41 premorphos single on linux os
21:41 premorphos oooh
21:42 freelikegnu you can force it with enable_tnt = true in games/minetest_game/minetest.conf
21:42 freelikegnu see the example file
21:43 premorphos ok il alter it now
21:43 freelikegnu dont forget to use ppe
21:43 premorphos ?
21:44 freelikegnu personal protective equipment
21:44 freelikegnu ;-)
21:44 premorphos aah :)
21:44 freelikegnu safety third!
21:45 premorphos my minetest.conf is emty... still add  enable_tnt = true?
21:49 freelikegnu yep
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21:49 freelikegnu its empty because its all defaults
21:49 freelikegnu you can pick stuff from the example file to throw in there
21:49 freelikegnu and change
21:50 premorphos are you using linux?
21:50 freelikegnu yep
21:51 premorphos can you give me the location of the minetest.conf
21:51 premorphos cant seem to find it
21:51 freelikegnu did you install minetest from your package manager or compile it yourself?
21:52 premorphos PM
21:52 freelikegnu you can try ~/.minetest
21:52 freelikegnu well ~/.minetest/games/minetest_game
21:53 premorphos ooooh smart you naild it
21:54 freelikegnu if you compile it yourself, you can set it to "run in place" where the src binaries and config are all in one folder
21:54 premorphos that is neat
21:55 freelikegnu it really is
21:55 freelikegnu its not hard to compile and you get the latest greatest
21:55 premorphos realy
21:56 premorphos how do you do it?
21:56 freelikegnu https://github.com/minetest/minetest scroll down to the readme
21:56 premorphos kewl
21:56 freelikegnu have you ever used git?
21:56 premorphos nope not yet
21:57 premorphos what is it
21:57 freelikegnu well this is a good way to introduce yourself to it
21:57 freelikegnu its kinda like your PM repository, but for source code
21:57 freelikegnu but its also used to get subgames and mods for minetest
21:57 premorphos wow no way.. that is awsome
21:58 freelikegnu so if you learn git, then you will have a nice way to pull subgames and mods into your game
21:58 premorphos man i just fall more and more in love with linux
21:59 freelikegnu you can use git with windows but why bother
21:59 premorphos but now its time to try the tnt.. i just added the line and im about ready to blow shit up :D
21:59 * freelikegnu runs for cover
22:00 premorphos ha ha tnx a bunch
22:00 freelikegnu np
22:00 premorphos 4 the help
22:03 premorphos what is the diferece of the map gens?
22:04 freelikegnu don't know alot about them, except stick with v6 unless you have compiled the latest minetest or have a install a recent build package
22:06 freelikegnu also checkout the carbone-ng subgame, you can pull that from github too
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22:12 freelikegnu once you install git you can  $ cd .minetest/games
22:13 freelikegnu then $ git pull https://github.com/Calinou/carbone-ng.git
22:13 freelikegnu and now you have a nice subgame that is up to date to play
22:14 freelikegnu oops I meant cd ~/.mintest/games
22:15 premorphos nice tnx alot
22:15 freelikegnu no sweat
22:15 freelikegnu oh hsit
22:15 freelikegnu I also meant git clone https://github.com/Calinou/carbone-ng.git
22:15 freelikegnu pull is for updating :P
22:16 premorphos ah ok
22:18 freelikegnu what distro are you running?
22:18 premorphos of linux or minetest?
22:18 freelikegnu of linux
22:19 premorphos mint 17.4 i think
22:19 freelikegnu ok
22:19 premorphos you?
22:20 freelikegnu xubuntu 14.04
22:20 freelikegnu I think minetest may be old in those repositories
22:20 premorphos nice xubuntu is nice
22:21 freelikegnu my guess is you have mt 4.10 installed
22:21 premorphos yea it could be
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22:21 premorphos nope 4.9
22:21 freelikegnu there is a ppa and you can get 0.4.12 that way or best to compile yourself
22:23 premorphos yea il think il do that... il try to stay away from the ppas cus they gave me trouble before
22:23 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 <- use these to install or update to the latest minetest
22:23 twoelk or rather compile the latest
22:24 freelikegnu the instructions on the minetest git hub page show you what packages you will need to compile
22:24 premorphos i likethe oneline comand
22:24 freelikegnu that is pretty sweet twoelk
22:26 premorphos ooh its working.... sweet Terminal.. like magic every time :)
22:28 freelikegnu there were some nice improvement made within the last few months so :D
22:28 freelikegnu especially for map generation
22:29 twoelk of course there is also info here http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
22:30 freelikegnu if you are using mapgen v7, you will want to use the lines for setting up the biome and mgv7 options from minetest.conf.example
22:31 freelikegnu as I dont think v7 is the default mapgen yet
22:31 twoelk btw the mapgen singlenode creates nothing and used for example if you import a map from elsewhere or want to play with skyblocks and the like
22:32 twoelk both singlenode and mg7 need some mapgen mod to look nice
22:32 freelikegnu carbone-ng has a nice one
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22:33 freelikegnu disclosure: I made one tiny patch for carbone-ng :D
22:33 twoelk try some of these among others for some interesting results http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/mod​Search.php?st=0&amp;at=0&amp;q=mapgen
22:34 freelikegnu I learn something new everyday
22:37 freelikegnu I have to try watershed mapgen mod tonight
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22:39 premorphos how come the pakage maneger in mint gives me old versions of minetest?
22:39 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=11430 this one is not as spectacular as some of paramat's brilliant stuff but creats quite convincing landscapes
22:41 freelikegnu ermahgerd
22:41 twoelk becaus the manager that manages the package  manager is behind schedule?
22:41 freelikegnu now I wont get any sleep
22:41 aerth forum moderator pm me if u can help change my email
22:43 freelikegnu at least xubuntu 14.04 had 0.4.10 ^^
22:43 freelikegnu whatever, compiling and using git are worthwhile regardles
22:44 twoelk expect 0.4.13 in the next weeks
22:44 premorphos if i allready had a copy of minetest installd from mint PM, and then run the comand from https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 it not conflict?
22:44 freelikegnu were new subgames ever decided on?
22:44 premorphos will it not conflict?
22:44 freelikegnu do the run in place
22:45 premorphos ?
22:45 freelikegnu in that oneliner forum post there is a run-in-place version
22:45 twoelk save your worlds folder to somewhere save
22:45 freelikegnu oh
22:46 twoelk you can have parallel installs with the run in place option
22:47 twoelk to test and compare versions for example
22:47 premorphos ooh yes nice its updated
22:47 premorphos 4.12
22:47 twoelk don't forget the leading zero
22:47 premorphos aah 0.4.12
22:47 freelikegnu heh, I dont think he did the run-in-place script
22:48 premorphos nope i didnt
22:48 premorphos to much of a noobe
22:48 premorphos noob
22:49 freelikegnu it not that, just how you want it installed...
22:49 twoelk run-in-place is good for running from a portable device
22:50 premorphos aah . nope i did the outer one
22:50 premorphos what ells should i install wile im at it?
22:51 premorphos did the mini game carbone
22:51 aerth xban
22:54 twoelk World-Edit is always usefull in singleplayer
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22:55 premorphos cool how do i get it.. abd how do i get valleys mapgen?
22:55 aerth is there a reason copy and paste doesn't go from outside minetest inside (or the other way around)
22:55 Breballlove hi jump
22:55 premorphos and the outer mods like ore
22:55 aerth :D
22:56 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=572 <- WE
22:58 premorphos what is the github comand to get it?
22:58 twoelk be carefull though, WE is a wonderfull tool to completely wreck the most beautifull buildings
22:58 premorphos pull?
22:58 aerth omg i accidently wrecked some kids house on my server
22:58 aerth right infront of him
22:59 aerth with worldedit
22:59 premorphos ha ha ok il use it with caution
22:59 cornernote anyone know what this means?  server.cpp:511: void Server::step(float): A fatal error occurred: Lua: error in error handling
22:59 aerth I been seeing that lots
23:00 aerth http://hastebin.com/raw/dexaxowusu
23:00 cornernote did you report it on github as an issue ?
23:01 freelikegnu git clone
23:02 freelikegnu github is just a git repository
23:02 freelikegnu git is a software that can work with many git repositories
23:02 freelikegnu github just happens to be very popular
23:03 premorphos oooh i see
23:03 freelikegnu linus torvalds created git to aid development of linux code
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23:04 twoelk or - just download the zips and extract the mods or subgames or texturepacks or maps into the correct folder
23:05 cornernote aerth - similar Leftover data in yours.. i think its caused by getCraftingResult()
23:05 freelikegnu the advandage of git for modding starts with just running $ git pull
23:06 freelikegnu inside the folder of the mod or subgame
23:06 freelikegnu and it gets really cool when you have forked a mod or game and want to push your changes back out to the world
23:07 freelikegnu there RealWorld I mean
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23:08 cornernote aerth - i made a github issue for it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3011
23:09 premorphos :)
23:09 aerth woohoo
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23:10 twoelk btw this wip script by rubenwardy allready lists about half the known mods https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_​lists/blob/gh-pages/lists/mods.csv
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23:10 aerth premorphos: (and anyone) checkout github.com's explore feature
23:12 aerth WOW flatgen is flat
23:15 Breballlove aerth
23:16 freelikegnu I really hope someday minetest is bunldle with a major distro
23:16 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9772 superflat is flatter :-D
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23:18 Breballlove Aerth?
23:18 Breballlove Aerth
23:19 Viper how do i disable Guest accounts ?
23:20 aerth Attempt to access external file ./worlds/world-vanilla/auth.txt with mod security on.
23:20 Breballlove is it up   yet?
23:20 Viper so Guest can't connect
23:21 aerth require password
23:21 aerth i think disallow_empty_password
23:21 Breballlove >_<
23:22 Viper that is set already, you can't connect with empty pass
23:23 aerth oh you mean so people cant choose the name Guest####
23:23 Viper yeah
23:27 aerth dunno
23:27 Viper aerth:  thanks for trying to help
23:28 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8004 <-no_guests
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23:30 Viper twoelk:  thanks!!!
23:33 Viper strange i have this mod, maybe its out of date
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23:53 Sketch2 I dunno if my internet is runing.  can someone verify that I'm being heard?
23:56 dzho Sketch2: I see you using IRC.  Is that what you mean?
23:56 xfceKris I see you to Sketch2
23:56 xfceKris too*
23:57 Sketch2 ty.  my connection keeps dropping out.  maybe it's good now

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