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04:46 swift110-phone Hey
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05:28 jhcole I've been trying to track down the missing output count in unified_inventory crafting guide. I believe I've narrowed it down considerably.  https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/issues/591
05:36 est31 jhcole, can you bisect?
05:39 Pilcrow182 ah, I suppose I have experienced this as well then. ui's crafting guide doesn't say an output number for me either. I assumed it just wasn't programmed to, though...
05:39 est31 seems like a regression since https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/03e0dd33a847a83d975282c6caf6b926306e7b57
05:39 est31 I can see the error happening
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05:55 est31 jhcole, can you try a commit for me?
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07:37 Jordach yo krock
07:38 Krock yo Jordach :)
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08:22 xenkey Hi everyone
08:22 xenkey Guess which game I'm playing
08:25 DusXMT Mindcrap? x3
08:25 CWz what the heck is cowboyjob.com?
08:30 Krock CWz, that's a website
08:30 CWz it eats messages from irc and poops it onto it's website
08:42 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest: Remove drivers dropdown in the settings tab a8c5841 http://git.io/vY0R5 (2015-07-25T10:41:04+02:00)
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09:52 Krock How many circles are there? http://www.moillusions.com/wp-content/​uploads/2015/06/Circles-in-squares.jpg
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09:53 VanessaE 16.
09:53 ElectronLibre 16
09:54 xenkey 0.
09:55 ElectronLibre ^ He is also right.
09:55 est31 Krock, none
09:55 ElectronLibre Litteraly, no circle. In the illusion, 16.
10:00 xenkey what
10:06 Krock est31, depends how you look at it
10:06 Krock 16 or 0
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10:08 xenkey it's zero
10:08 xenkey however you look at it
10:09 est31 I dont see any circles sorry
10:09 Krock xenkey, say again http://www.moillusions.com/wp-content/​uploads/2015/06/circles-illusions.png
10:09 est31 only squares
10:10 xenkey Krock: That picture does indeed contain circles
10:10 xenkey OH
10:10 ElectronLibre Look at the vertical borders of the squares.
10:10 Krock :P
10:10 est31 damn
10:10 est31 OHHHH
10:10 xenkey Oh those circles
10:10 xenkey Well
10:11 * est31 only thinks in nodes
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10:18 Krock est31, in nodes? umm.. http://www.moillusions.com/wp-content​/uploads/photos1.blogger.com/blogger/​5639/2020/400/fashiopnplace.ru8.jpg
10:19 Jordach the bench is from homedecor
10:19 Jordach :^)
10:19 Krock xD
10:22 VanessaE homedecor doesn't have a picnic table :P
10:22 VanessaE at least not yet :)
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10:24 Jordach something you can do
10:24 Jordach chop chop
10:25 Krock Jordach, could you make a portal mesh like this? http://www.moillusions.com/wp-conten​t/uploads/i207.photobucket.com/album​s/bb234/vurdlak8/illusions/Arch2.jpg
10:26 Jordach it's possible
10:26 Krock ah?
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10:30 Jordach Krock, only possible with orthographic depth
10:32 Jordach check this out
10:33 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/Bl​enderStuff/perspective1.png and http://jordach.net/Images/Bl​enderStuff/perspective2.png
10:34 Krock Jordach, I was just kidding - however, I can't imagine how it would look from another perspective while keeping the illusion
10:35 Jordach hence the problem
10:35 Jordach even in both perspectives: it doesn't work from other angles
10:44 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Cleanup server addparticle(spawner) by merge two identical functions. 4e6971e http://git.io/vY0yn (2015-07-25T12:24:28+02:00)
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11:05 Krock www.findminecraft.com
11:06 Krock decrease sound volume first
11:08 ElectronLibre Ouch. Better not be epileptic.
11:09 xenkey lol
11:09 xenkey https://sr.ht/7497.png
11:09 Krock Join #minecraft and post it there xD
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11:09 Krock xenkey, I know that screen.. firefox
11:09 xenkey lol
11:09 xenkey lol
11:09 xenkey time to invest in a big red MUTE button
11:10 Krock seems like the flash updater is broken.. I can't update that stuff anmore :/
11:11 Krock xenkey, why mute? It's much funnier (for other people) when you do max volume
11:17 xenkey lol
11:17 xenkey Anyone want to mumble + play mt w/ me
11:18 * Calinou has Flash uninstalled since January, 2014
11:18 Krock Calinou, how do you watch YT videos then?
11:20 Calinou they work just fine in HTML5 mode; but you can also use youtube-dl
11:22 * DusXMT hopes websites like livestream.com or picarto will eventually drop the Flash requirement...
11:22 est31 DusXMT, seen livestreamer?
11:22 est31 it lets you watch things like twitch from the console
11:22 est31 man if I had that back in 2011
11:23 DusXMT Sounds exciting... but unfortunately, I'd also like to participate in the chat, watching an artist draw and not being able to provide input is lame
11:23 est31 well, twitch will go html5
11:24 est31 and the other services will too, soon
11:24 est31 these days things go very very fast
11:24 Calinou I have yet to see HTML5 live streaming...
11:24 est31 HTML5 live streaming does work
11:24 Calinou we still need a free/libre service for that too
11:24 Calinou :P
11:24 Calinou Twitch isn't one of them
11:25 est31 Calinou, HTML5 audio live streaming works 100% well
11:25 est31 and video live streaming...
11:25 est31 it works 100% in safari
11:25 est31 but then there are chrome and mozilla
11:25 est31 and they both say I think that they dont want to adopt adobe's HLS
11:26 est31 but this is half knowledge, take it with a grain of salt :)
11:26 Calinou maybe there are polyfills for it
11:26 est31 yes
11:26 est31 lemme see
11:28 est31 http://rreverser.github.io/mpegts/
11:28 est31 so this media source extensions thingy is said to make native browser HLS support not needed
11:28 est31 but problem is firefox doesnt fully support it yet
11:29 est31 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/​Apps/Build/Audio_and_video_delivery/​Live_streaming_web_audio_and_video
11:31 est31 and Calinou there does exist an open source screen sharing site, check here: https://www.webrtc-experiment.​com/Pluginfree-Screen-Sharing/
11:31 est31 it has a shitty ux admittedly
11:31 est31 but RBA and me have used it to squash bugs!
11:32 est31 works on a p2p basis
11:32 est31 ofc it doesnt scale
11:32 est31 you can't have thousands of viewers
11:32 est31 there exist other solutions that build a CDN based on webrtc
11:33 est31 like bittorrent, just totally in the browser
11:33 Calinou it's an experiment, not a real site
11:33 Calinou yes, WebTorrent :P
11:34 est31 you can salvage the glue code used there for using it as live CDN
11:34 est31 making it possible to scale user count :)
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11:38 Hirato plugin free screen sharing - and people say I'm paranoid for using noscript
11:43 dzho heh.
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12:21 xenkey hah
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12:40 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=12900
12:40 Calinou now we have our own Herobrine
12:40 Calinou Minetest 0.4.13 changelog: Removed MISSING
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13:05 Krock Calinou, it's a nice horror story
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13:33 Jordach it's a shitpost
13:33 Jordach creeper depends on mobs
13:33 Jordach which isn't shown
13:33 Jordach in the mods listing
13:38 est31 its a story
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14:47 CWz breaking news Notch buys sweeden and renames it to Mincraftistan.
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15:01 Krock CWz, let's buy an area on the moon and call it "Minetestia"
15:03 CWz great now proller will get there first and claim the area and call it freeminerstan
15:03 CWz *freeminergrad
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15:24 Krock ^^
15:35 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest: Fix FSAA dropdown option reset after changing another dropdown option ffd0ef1 http://git.io/vYEMR (2015-07-25T17:33:41+02:00)
15:35 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix minetest.get_(all)_craft_recipe(s) regression fa1096e http://git.io/vYEM0 (2015-07-25T17:33:41+02:00)
15:42 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Fix MSVC number conversion warning 454a290 http://git.io/vYEDA (2015-07-25T17:38:04+02:00)
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16:38 amadin How to set bones walkable, walkable = true, in minetest.register_node("bones:bones", { not help me
16:38 amadin ?
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16:51 dumdum Very slow loading of "Dreambuilder". Verbose message is: Lazily creating item texture and mesh for .... Any idea?
16:51 Calinou dumdum, did you enable "Preload item visuals"?
16:52 dumdum No. Let me try. Thanks.
16:52 est31 disable it, it slows down
16:52 Calinou you should keep it off
16:53 dumdum I am running 0.4.12 on ubuntu, and don't see this option in settings tab.
17:00 Krock true, there's no such setting
17:00 Calinou https://s3.amazonaws.com/freec​odecamp/github-repo-growth.png
17:00 Calinou :D
17:01 Krock that curve.. perl.
17:01 Krock perhaps one, big project in 2009 and that's it
17:02 dumdum I found the settings in conf file. Thanks.
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17:46 freelikegnu is the minimap something that has to be enabled on the server and the client? I cannot find some clear documentation on how to enable this
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17:47 est31 freelikegnu, only client
17:47 est31 you can disable it on the server though, if you dont want your clients to have minimaps
17:47 est31 you'll have to give according textures :)
17:48 freelikegnu many thanks
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17:56 freelikegnu I built MT from git, cloned minetest_game, enabled minimap in minetest.conf, and started a singleplayer minetest game, but no minimap appears
17:58 Krock press F8
17:58 Amaz *F9
17:58 Krock ah, yes.
18:00 freelikegnu cool :D
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18:15 luizrpgluiz hi all
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19:22 Sokomine hm. new repros on github may receive a license to start with. is it possible to add the license later on? if it's such a standard one as gplv3?
19:25 Calinou Sokomine, yes, GitHub just has a wizard to do it for you
19:26 Krock You are the owner, you can do what you want
19:26 est31 ^
19:26 Sokomine not of github :-) i've seen that wizard when creating a new repro. but how about an existing one?
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19:29 Calinou add LICENSE file yourself
19:30 Calinou (or COPYING, or whatever)
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20:32 luizrpgluiz It would be great if the minetest allow multiworld through portals or by teleport command
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20:46 Taoki[laptop] https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6915595 I believe this might be an interesting journal (the 7th paragraph especially). Curious what people think... hopefully none of that c**p might ever be related to Minetest or similar, but one has to wonder
20:46 Taoki[laptop] (it's a journal about fanatics in governments, and the s**t they try to pull on people online, essentially... might endanger a few projects)
20:46 Calinou >furaffinity
20:47 * Calinou hopes he will find furry Minetest skins there
20:47 Taoki[laptop] Right... and I just chose the worst website to link the journal from :P
20:47 Taoki[laptop] But eh, who cares lol
20:47 sfan5 >small text
20:47 Taoki[laptop] Except for the fact that people also know my account on there now... eh
20:48 Taoki[laptop] But yeah, my relevant worry is paragraph 7 I believe. Long story short, fanatics in governmnents might consider property in games... taxable, and legally owned. This can include... items in Minetest, that you trade with other players online...
20:48 Taoki[laptop] Believe me, I'm scratching my head as well. I randomly read this somewhere today.
20:49 Taoki[laptop] It makes me ponder why I am still on this planet. Like really...
20:50 sfan5 I trust german courts not to say "yup, such useless laws need to be enforced for every € transferred"
20:50 sfan5 so i don't really see it as an issue
20:50 sfan5 but the fact that such stuff is a law is worrying
20:50 Taoki[laptop] My main concern (it's not 100% certain yet) is if such a law can even be real, even if no one could ever enforce it.
20:51 sfan5 and thats probably why it doesn't matter
20:52 Taoki[laptop] Because if so... I legitimately don't know what I can expect from people on this world. Something is really, really wrong.
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20:53 Taoki[laptop] Although, I THINK what I read must refer to in-game items tradable for real money. Then again, the government is trying to consider Bitcoin taxable as well, and other virtual currencies... so what's to say they can't go as crazy as this
20:54 sfan5 lol
20:54 sfan5 >trying to tax bitcoin
20:55 Taoki[laptop] I know
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21:12 Sokomine Taoki[laptop]: it might be difficult to actually *own* something in an online game. to my knowledge, all those commerical providers take particular care not to *sell* you anything but a few more or less worthless promises. ebooks are extremly rarely sold for example. just borrowed
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21:13 Sokomine Taoki[laptop]: and, after all what can you do if a server goes down? the purely fictional "property" will go to /dev/null
21:13 Calinou most software is not sold, but licensed for use
21:13 Taoki[laptop] A heads up: I googled a bit more on the issue, and apparently this doesn't apply to "closed-flow virtual economies". Only to items sold for real / external currency, where it can make sense. So my worries were unfounded... sorry.
21:13 est31 Calinou, ebooks are no software
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22:15 notanewbie Is it possible to use the /spawentity command to spawn to a certain place?
22:16 est31 notanewbie, yes!
22:16 TBC_x I think this was recently added
22:16 est31 ^
22:16 est31 added this week
22:16 notanewbie So it's dev only?
22:16 est31 so if you have a recent client, enjoy if not, update :)
22:16 est31 yes
22:16 est31 you can get nightly builds though
22:16 notanewbie Okay, thanks!
22:16 est31 whats your OS?
22:17 notanewbie I use Windows 8.1 w/ Bing and Mac OS X Yosemite.
22:17 notanewbie I have an old dev on the Mac.
22:18 ElectronLibre The easiest way would be to get a build from the forum.
22:18 notanewbie Okay.
22:18 ElectronLibre Building under Windows is a pain and I don't think it's even possible under any Mac OS.
22:19 notanewbie People do do nightly Mac builds.
22:19 notanewbie I hate them though. They are usually buggy.
22:20 ElectronLibre Nightly builds will be buggy, because they're dev.
22:20 notanewbie But I barely use the Mac anyway.
22:20 ElectronLibre But I assume it's really tied to the OS.
22:20 notanewbie I think thats part of it.
22:21 ElectronLibre Choose : https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=42
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22:27 notanewbie Okay, thanks.
22:27 notanewbie I'm using mesecon command blocks as dispensers...
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22:28 notanewbie When will 0.4.13 come out?
22:28 ElectronLibre Sooner or later.
22:29 notanewbie :)
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22:30 notanewbie True dat.
22:30 notanewbie So theres not definate release date?
22:30 GunshipPenguin If you join #minetest-dev, it says the 0.4.13 release is scheduled for Aug 10th
22:31 est31 thats only a number for planing
22:31 est31 if we find issues that have to be fixed before, we fix them, and stall the release
22:31 notanewbie Thanks for the info.
22:32 notanewbie Oh. So is it almost ready?
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23:05 notanewbie Is the latest dev release stable?
23:08 freelikegnu I compiled the latest git and it seems fine in linux anyways
23:09 freelikegnu have had many less crashes than 4.12 release
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