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00:43 wilkgr Krock, I can't remember, but weren't you part of the "like chocolate only different" discussion?
01:00 aerth Setting up a new server, client just sits at "item definitions" i see that auth is working because it knows if i type the password incorrectly.
01:00 aerth 20:59:06: ACTION[ServerThread]: jump joins game. List of players: jump
01:00 aerth i believe its because i dont have the minetest game. ? only minetest-server
01:02 aerth reading http://wiki.minetest.net/S​etting_up_a_server/Debian
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01:05 aerth client still hangs at "item definitions". server sees client joined game. whats the deal
01:06 aerth client works with other servers
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01:14 cornernote im looking in the itemdef.cpp, there used to be a variable called driver... like this
01:14 cornernote video::IVideoDriver *driver = device->getVideoDriver();
01:14 cornernote anyone know what thats called now ?
01:22 cornernote nevermind... its the same, just moved out of the method i was looking in
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01:30 aerth why are all the linux command line arguments wrong ?  Unknown command-line parameter "--worldname"
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01:34 cornernote where is the code that used to be in tile.cpp ?
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02:22 RealBadAngel cornernote, in client/tile.cpp
02:23 RealBadAngel but it looks like you already found it ;)
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03:23 aerth woohoo! minetestmapper is cool!
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04:38 Eater4 So does the ppa use the lastest version of minetest?
04:38 Eater4 it's somehow installing 0.4.9
05:03 swift110-phone Ok
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06:12 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Remove profiler.h include where it's not needed. Remove some unreachable and very old code fa7fe51 http://git.io/vmpTp (2015-07-21T08:10:43+02:00)
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07:12 aerth what are some mods that you would not make a world without
07:12 Krock default
07:12 aerth true
07:13 Krock worldedit is also very useful
07:14 freemint_ goodmorning: can somebody explain me what the parameter of funcs are for chta commands the wiki contradicts itself . http://dev.minetest.net/minetes​t.register_chatcommand#Examples
07:15 freemint_ is it (player_name, parameters) or just (parameters) or (parameters , playername) ... ?
07:15 Krock both. (player_name, parameters) and (parameters)
07:16 Krock depends how many args you define there but more than 2 is nonsense
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07:16 freemint_ how does this work ?
07:17 Krock when you say "/test1 hello world" then is name -> your player name, param = hello world
07:17 freemint_ i do not understand how the caller in lua can know the number of arguements of the function ...
07:18 Krock good question.. dunno either
07:18 freemint_ maybe c side hack ...
07:19 Krock chat commands are done in lua scripts AFAIK
07:19 freemint_ the calling too?
07:20 Krock yes. builtin\game\chatcommands.lua:29
07:21 freemint_ jeese i do not understand how it works this goes against the fundamentals of my lua knowledge.
07:21 Krock maybe it's just a fail in the wiki
07:23 freemint_ can you give me the link to the github repo?
07:23 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob​/master/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua#L29
07:24 Krock there's a variable, core.chatcommands , that contains all chat command data
07:25 freemint_ line 40 : local success, message = cmd_def.func(name, param)
07:26 freemint_ name is player name, in any case
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07:30 freemint_ brb
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07:39 aerth hhow do we map users like minetestmapper maps blocks
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07:54 Krock map users, as in showing them as dots on a map?
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08:16 aerth yeah Krock
08:16 xenkey Hi all
08:17 Krock aerth, https://github.com/minetest/minetes​tmapper/blob/master/mapper.cpp#L31
08:17 Krock hi xenkey
08:17 xenkey sup
08:17 aerth WHAT! thanks
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08:55 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Viking 1 Landing Day! 😃
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11:24 Krock peer is evil
11:25 cornernote is this an official version?  or should i get the APK from downloads page? https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta​ils?id=net.minetest.minetest&hl=en
11:29 technomancy cornernote: don't get it from google; those are not legit
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11:44 Krock technomancy, the one from nrz is legit
11:46 Calinou it is legit, but you should use F-Droid for your own sake :)
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12:53 cornernote whyone around that can connect to my server real quick just to test port forwarding is working ?
12:53 cornernote anyone even
12:53 cornernote 27.33.254.153:30000
12:53 est31 !up 27.33.254.153:30000
12:53 MinetestBot est31: use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
12:53 est31 !up 27.33.254.153 30000
12:53 MinetestBot 27.33.254.153:30000 seems to be down
12:53 est31 cornernote ^
12:53 cornernote nice
12:53 cornernote ty
12:54 kahrl I wonder why MinetestBot complains about the colon syntax when it clearly can parse it
12:54 cornernote !up 27.33.254.153 30000
12:55 MinetestBot 27.33.254.153:30000 seems to be down
12:55 PilzAdam kahrl, ipv6 uses : in its addresses, doesn't it?
12:55 cornernote could just get the number after the last colan
12:55 Jordach cornernote, it's python :^)
12:55 Jordach cornernote, secondly, your site looks amazing
12:56 kahrl yeah I guess that complicates it
12:56 cornernote thanks Jordach
12:56 cornernote now, what would be blocking the port
12:56 est31 cornernote, did you know we have a website competition running?
12:56 est31 https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=14&t=12843
12:56 kahrl but if there is only one colon, it can't be an ipv6 address
12:57 kahrl so this common case could be easily handled
12:58 cornernote i dont really want to make a website for minetest.net, i think the one there is pretty good, but if anyone wants to copy the bootstrap3 minetest code, its all here http://cornernote.github.io​/minetest-bootstrap-theme/
12:58 kahrl for bonus points, accept the syntax [ipv6]:port like in URLs :)
13:00 cornernote in python, just use s.split(':'), pop off the last element, then join the remaing ones... cant be too hard
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13:00 cornernote !up 27.33.254.153 30000
13:00 MinetestBot 27.33.254.153:30000 seems to be down
13:00 cornernote arg!!!
13:00 cornernote im going to be spamming the bot until its up lol
13:00 Jordach !up jordach.net 30001
13:00 MinetestBot jordach.net:30001 is up (8ms)
13:01 est31 cornernote, there is also the option of /msg'ing the bot
13:01 Jordach !up 178.62.59.177 30001
13:01 MinetestBot 178.62.59.177:30001 is up (7ms)
13:01 cornernote !up 27.33.254.153 30000
13:01 MinetestBot 27.33.254.153:30000 seems to be down
13:02 cornernote ok, i'll msg it
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13:03 cornernote i have port forward, i have rule in firewall... no idea...
13:04 cornernote bot just replies with "..." now
13:04 cornernote !up 27.33.254.153 30000
13:04 MinetestBot 27.33.254.153:30000 seems to be down
13:04 cornernote ok, here it works
13:04 Jordach you're safe to bot test under ##minetestbot
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13:05 cornernote oh, its UDP ?
13:06 Jordach ye
13:06 cornernote ok, that explains it
13:06 cornernote !up 27.33.254.153 30000
13:06 MinetestBot 27.33.254.153:30000 is up (361ms)
13:06 cornernote seems we dont get a great ping time from the bot here in AU
13:06 cornernote ok, how how do i go about registering on the public server list ?
13:07 Jordach cornernote, give two seconds
13:07 Jordach i can pull my conf from my server
13:07 est31 where is MinetestBot hosted again?
13:07 Jordach London
13:07 cornernote at Jordach's house by the looks of his ping
13:08 Jordach cornernote, london
13:08 est31 seems there is still potential http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=time+​for+light+to+travel+from+london+to+sidney
13:08 est31 79 ms
13:09 Jordach http://pastebin.com/J4AXXyDZ
13:09 Jordach cornernote, ^
13:09 cornernote wolframalpha, what a cool tool
13:09 cornernote thanks Jordach
13:11 cornernote ok, should be listed
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13:18 spanner \o
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13:25 cornernote does minetest have a url protocol handler?  eg minetest://example.com:port
13:26 freemint_ no
13:26 freemint_ but you can make a cleint side plugin in the irc for that.
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13:27 cornernote not for irc, and not for me... so i can link to my server on my webpage
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13:30 freemint_ no unless you install software
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13:59 technomancy congratulations; you found the one thing at which mobiles are better at computers
13:59 technomancy (other than fitting in your pocket)
14:01 H-H-H technomancy whats that ?
14:01 technomancy H-H-H: dispatching different URLs to different programs
14:02 DusXMT technomancy: most browsers can do that;
14:02 H-H-H how would you say a mobile is better than a pc at doing that when it isnt specific to either
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14:04 technomancy DusXMT: yes, but not as well as Android
14:05 H-H-H android also runs on pc,s lol
14:05 H-H-H well it can do lol why anyone would i dont know but each to thier own
14:07 DusXMT technomancy: The only thing that's different is that you have to explicitly configure your browser to recognize content types, and-or patterns in URLs and launch different programs.
14:07 DusXMT Since unlike on Android, in the world of "big" computers, there's no unified interfaces
14:07 ThatGraemeGuy I think you just explained his point
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14:08 H-H-H you would also have to configure an android system to recognise the handler if you added it as it doesnt come with every handler known to man built in
14:09 H-H-H or someone would have
14:09 DusXMT Perhaps. But I personally like when there's not a single, unified interface; it allows more customisation
14:09 H-H-H usually the developer and then you just install the handl;er and it sets it up same as a pc
14:09 DusXMT and more variety
14:10 technomancy the only difference is one is so tedious that no one actually ever uses it, and the other works seamlessly
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14:13 freemint Minetest4fun?
14:16 Calinou freemint, he's not here
14:17 Calinou he's on #minetestforfun @ digitalaudioconcepts.com though
14:17 freemint port?
14:17 Calinou 6667
14:17 Calinou (6697 for SSL)
14:17 freemint thx
14:19 Jordach freemint, just ask Darcidride
14:19 Jordach that's MinetestForFun over here :^)
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14:23 freemint Darcidride , your armor is ready
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14:37 * Jordach made a metal style bed
14:43 Jordach example with Sam model: http://jordach.net/Images/Bl​enderStuff/metalbedsam2.png
14:44 freemint nice
14:45 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/​BlenderStuff/metalbed.png
14:45 Jordach Sam-less
14:45 freemint maybe you want to decrease the gao so that sam doesnt fall when he sleeps
14:46 freemint but it looks good
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14:47 Jordach i was using my extreme quality model to test it
14:48 Jordach gamewise i'll have to make another attachment point
14:48 freemint you can display this and hide the player ;-)
14:49 freemint transparent texture
14:50 twoelk eh? CWz, what kind of password did you use to connect to my server?
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14:55 jojoa1997 hi everyone
14:55 freemint hi
14:59 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Allow random menu images for subgames 8994913 http://git.io/vmjb4 (2015-07-21T16:58:22+02:00)
15:00 CWz twoelk: what?
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15:02 twoelk some CWz tried to join and the server rejected the password as if it used unvalid characters or something. Anyways it differed from the usual wrong password message
15:06 Krock2 Krock, go away!
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15:10 CWz i used the latest dev i think which might use a different password system
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15:18 CWz twoelk I am gussing latest dev password is not compatible with stable password. also if there is  CWz there already than it's an imposter
15:19 CWz This is the first time i logged into your server
15:19 CWz *tried
15:19 est31 twoelk, did you run a latest dev server, and then switched to stable again?
15:20 twoelk hm, try Charly's Apfelschorle, it uses dev and runs on a linux box in contrast to the roman map on Isarnho that ran on Vista. Is just experimental as well though. Mapgen didn't work as expected
15:20 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Document game main menu image system 403e6e6 http://git.io/vYeJx (2015-07-21T17:17:46+02:00)
15:20 twoelk actually the Isarnho serverbuilt can't be older than a week
15:22 CWz is there CWz account on Isarnho
15:22 est31 Isarnho ??
15:23 twoelk let me check
15:24 twoelk nope, got kicked befor creating
15:24 twoelk yeah, testing some stuff under Isarnho
15:26 twoelk mostly the roman map, sometimes others. At the moment Apfelschorle is using the slot
15:27 est31 whats Isarnho, and whats apfelschorle, except a german word for apple juice with soda
15:29 twoelk Isarnho is an old name of a forest and could be translated as Ironwoods
15:30 est31 so what is it? a game?
15:31 twoelk both are subgames of mine and I also often use Isarnho when hosting games as server name
15:31 est31 ah I see
15:31 est31 nice
15:32 twoelk nothing permanent though
15:32 twoelk usually just some hours on random days and until recently seldom public
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17:04 CWz seems tox is gone
17:04 Calinou https://tox.chat
17:05 Calinou tox.im is gone indeed
17:05 est31 ah this dispute
17:05 est31 well, its humans at work!
17:05 CWz https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sea​rch?q=cache:Gzkwu7H1xuAJ:https://tox.im/+&​amp;cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=il
17:05 est31 where humans work together, conflict is preprogrammed
17:06 est31 better have intelligent machines do it, they follow commands :)
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17:10 CWz so some guy stole money and didn't pay something?
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17:15 Krock remote control would be an amazing feature for tox
17:24 * CWz has a Tox now
17:24 CWz Probably will not use it much. not much of an IM user
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17:34 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Clarify docs for auth.cpp method 254dbe7 http://git.io/vYvUP (2015-07-21T18:14:39+02:00)
17:34 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Ask auth handler to create auth when a default password is set a57d83b http://git.io/vYvUX (2015-07-21T18:12:28+02:00)
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17:45 AndroidKris How can I change the location where my screenshots save? I don't like them piling up in my home directory.
17:46 AndroidKris I tried adding screenshot_path = /new/location/here/ to minetest.conf...no result. maybe incorrect syntax?
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17:56 twoelk AndroidKris: does the folder exist? I don't think minetest can create folders by itself
17:56 AndroidKris I created the folder first.
17:57 AndroidKris then tested.
17:58 twoelk for a folder parallel to my minetest folders I use : screenshot_path = ../../Screenshots/
17:58 twoelk that way several builds use the same folder
17:59 AndroidKris with the dots?
17:59 twoelk yeah two levels down
17:59 twoelk then owb folder
17:59 twoelk *own
18:00 twoelk relative path from bin to target
18:00 AndroidKris Maybe it didn't like that I was pointing it to ~/.minetest/screenshots...the hidden folder might have been the problem?
18:00 twoelk does the executable start there?
18:01 twoelk try a complete path
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18:05 AndroidKris I did the complete path also. Not sure where the executable starts though, because I have two minetest folders in my home directory. One hidden, and one not.
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18:08 Krock there can't be two folders with the same name <.<
18:09 AndroidKris They aren't the same name Krock.
18:09 Krock > because I have two minetest folders in my home directory
18:09 AndroidKris one is hidden, the other isn't, making one folder named ".minetest" and the other "minetest
18:09 AndroidKris "
18:09 Krock ah. Linux feature once again
18:10 AndroidKris Yup
18:11 AndroidKris Also, I updated to the latest build using this https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=3837 about a week ago, and that's when the second (visible) folder appeared.
18:12 AndroidKris I used the command in the first code box to do the update..
18:12 AndroidKris well, technically it's an install command. not an update.
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18:16 init Krock: *nix feature
18:17 Krock init, !(win86/64) feature
18:17 twoelk yor first installation may have been run-in-place while the second is systemwide
18:18 twoelk have you tried putting a folder in both places and checking where the pics go?
18:18 init Krock: pretty sure there's at least one non-windows OS that doesn't do it that way, either
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18:22 AndroidKris No matter where I put the folder path in minetest.conf, the screenshots go to the root directory.
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18:23 AndroidKris I believe you are correct about the run-in-place vs. systemwide installations twoelk. I may have to completely remove both folders and install again to unify the installations.
18:23 AndroidKris Of course, I'll make backups of mods, worlds, texturepacks, etc.
18:29 Sokomine btw, i had a problem with builtin/mainmenu/textures.lua with the most recent code. anyone else? it was easy enough to hotfix for the game to fire up again...
18:30 Sokomine ah, well, maybe something for dev...
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18:38 AndroidKris Figured it out. I didn't restart the game before testing.
18:38 AndroidKris I.D.10.T error.
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18:39 twoelk AndroidKris: good luck, will be afk for a while. gotta chase the kids through the woods to get them sleepy
18:39 AndroidKris lol. I know the feeling
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19:16 AndroidKris Calinou, in my exploration of Carbone, I have found a few places (caves mostly) that look...man made. Is this intentional?
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19:18 Calinou Carbone NG?
19:18 Calinou the mapgen is the same
19:18 AndroidKris yes
19:20 AndroidKris So then I wonder why there is a "hallway" into the mountain side with "stairs" that lead down to an open cavern that is equal on all sides.
19:20 Calinou screenshot?
19:20 Calinou it's maybe a dungeon
19:21 AndroidKris gimme a sec.
19:25 AndroidKris waiting for upload to my tumblr.
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19:30 Calinou lol
19:30 Calinou use lut.im or imgrush.com
19:31 AndroidKris or imgur.
19:31 AndroidKris http://imgur.com/WUxBoN9
19:32 AndroidKris all three are there, just got to hit next image at the top of the pic
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19:32 Calinou it is a dungeon
19:32 Calinou and the only place where mossy cobblestone spawns
19:32 AndroidKris http://imgur.com/WUxBoN9,lprBVsw,XTZFSXb
19:32 AndroidKris correct link...i think
19:33 AndroidKris So what spawns in a dungeon?
19:33 AndroidKris It's the second mossy cobble spawn I've found. but the other didn't look anything like this.
19:34 Calinou nothing
19:34 Calinou except stairs and mossy cobble
19:35 Calinou no mobs in particular
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19:41 Krock amazing graphics btw
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19:44 AndroidKris That's VanessaE's hdx-128 texture pack
19:44 AndroidKris and my 39" tv that I use for my monitor.
19:45 AndroidKris It looks amazing from where I'm sitting.
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19:46 aerth how does one display a minetest servers stats on a webpage for example
19:46 Calinou use hdx-256, much better
19:46 Calinou aerth, currently there's only http://servers.minetest.net
19:46 Calinou no way to send the JSON to another address
19:46 Calinou (except if you want to not announce to the list)
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19:47 sfan5 wrong
19:47 sfan5 you can set serverlist_url = http://somewhere/
19:47 AndroidKris Loading problems with 256 or higher. My processor can't handle it.
19:47 sfan5 then stuff will go to http://somewhere/announce
19:47 aerth no i mean like how many people are logged in
19:47 sfan5 well
19:47 Calinou sfan5, can you set several?
19:47 sfan5 you'd use a mod that creates a webpage with information
19:47 sfan5 Calinou: no
19:47 Calinou :-)
19:47 AndroidKris bbl
19:48 Calinou exactly
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19:48 Calinou good idea to make a mod that does that
19:48 Calinou possible in pure Lua?
19:48 Calinou maybe if the mod is trusted
19:49 aerth wow
19:49 aerth okay so check this out. at minetest.earthbot.net, there is a map of the server's world. i'd like to just add a simple "X number of players online now!" to the page
19:49 sfan5 Calinou: no, not possibly
19:50 sfan5 s/y/e/
19:50 aerth the X number of players could come from json but couldn't it just extract from the world directory
19:50 sfan5 just write a mod that writes the count of players to <worlddir>/playercount.txt every 2 minutes
19:51 aerth bingo
19:51 Calinou sfan5, I mean, possible in pure Lua if you have a web server installed?
19:51 Calinou output that file to /var/www
19:51 aerth i dont know lua :(
19:51 aerth i wouldnt mess with /var/www
19:51 PilzAdam !pil
19:51 MinetestBot someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
19:52 TBC_x make a symlink
19:52 Calinou symlinks often cause 403
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19:52 sfan5 Calinou: what? outputting the announce json? no creating a webpage with stats? yes
19:52 TBC_x mount -o bind?
19:52 sfan5 lol
19:52 sfan5 a mount is overkill for that
19:52 sfan5 just change the target file perms
19:53 aerth i have set a cron job for every 1 minute to run a shell script. the script deletes the backed up world, creates a new backed up world, and runs minetestmapper on it.
19:53 TBC_x write a fuse driver
19:53 TBC_x to export game state :)
19:53 sfan5 ^
19:53 Calinou every minute? isn't that overkill on CPU?
19:53 aerth no
19:53 aerth lol
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19:54 aerth so when u visit the map web page, it doesnt reload for just visiting, it just refreshes what the symlinked map.png that has just generated
19:55 aerth i guess /var/www would be the spot (on a default config) but make sure the owner is minetest and the group is www-data
19:59 aerth or whatever your server's users are
19:59 aerth where is the code for that? the amount of users online in the sqlite database?
20:00 sfan5 there are no users in the sqlite database
20:00 aerth ok where are the users
20:01 sfan5 you'll want to call :get_player_name() and write that to file on every object minetest.get_connected_players() returns
20:01 MyTeke_ChrisWMas wow, I am not alone..
20:02 xenkey So my Raspberry Pi got delivered today
20:02 sfan5 2 or 1?
20:02 sfan5 (revision)
20:02 aerth thanks sfan5
20:02 Calinou Bloberry Pi
20:03 xenkey sfan5: 2
20:03 sfan5 i c
20:03 xenkey The more recent one with 1GB ram, 900MHz quad core A7 Cortex CPU
20:03 xenkey It's great for playing movies on hotel TVs :P
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20:04 aerth what do u use a pi for?
20:04 sfan5 baking pie
20:04 aerth what can it be used for?
20:04 sfan5 everything
20:04 xenkey Eating
20:04 Emperor_Genshin lol
20:04 MyTeke_ChrisWMas LOL.
20:04 aerth pi not pie ;D
20:05 sfan5 yes
20:05 xenkey I spell it how I like man
20:05 Krock dude, learn spelling
20:05 xenkey I spell it how I like man
20:05 xenkey :P
20:05 sfan5 the raspberry pi is mainly used for baking pie
20:05 MyTeke_ChrisWMas a pi serous?
20:05 MyTeke_ChrisWMas I agree.
20:05 Emperor_Genshin sfan5: Indeed
20:05 xenkey Currently I put Arch on it and made some modules to start up the networking and give it an address so my crossover cable works
20:06 sfan5 >crossover cable
20:06 Krock 2 pie is a full pie and 1 pie is a half pie
20:06 xenkey I then added some iptables rules to allow me to share my internet with it
20:06 xenkey iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface wlan0 -j MASQUERADE || iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth0 -j ACCEPT
20:06 MyTeke_ChrisWMas any security additions?
20:06 xenkey Maybe you'll find them useful too
20:06 xenkey Security additions?
20:06 aerth cool thanks :D
20:06 xenkey You mean between the models?
20:07 sfan5 the pi (hardware) has no special security stuff
20:07 MyTeke_ChrisWMas yes, a firefox on that pi would be a piece of cake if it has no security.
20:07 xenkey Mine came with a firearm
20:07 aerth its an empty mini tower essentially
20:07 sfan5 ok
20:07 xenkey Just in case someone tries to steal it
20:07 xenkey I'll be ready
20:08 xenkey Any ideas on what I can do with the GPIO pins?
20:08 MyTeke_ChrisWMas DAMN, a firewall i meant to say well that is an ARM CPU just like a cell phone..
20:08 xenkey Sorry what
20:08 MyTeke_ChrisWMas WOW did you add any batteries just in case power fails?
20:08 xenkey You may as well have put alphabet soup in a blender, mixed it up a bit and read random letters off the sides
20:09 sfan5 MyTeke_ChrisWMas: just because the rpi has an ARM cpu does not mean that it can't have a firewall
20:09 aerth RFID reader for inventory control
20:09 MyTeke_ChrisWMas awwww, are you talking about minetest or did you just created a robot to cook you dinner?
20:09 aerth u can make a digital scale probaby
20:10 aerth then a nother pi as an oven
20:10 aerth and one on wheels that moves the food into the oven (and out)
20:10 aerth put a chip on all your spices and have the one armed robot just pour the required ingredients
20:10 MyTeke_ChrisWMas sfan I know though I know
20:11 nrzkt Appleshit: https://www.sektioneins.de/en/blog/1​5-07-07-dyld_print_to_file_lpe.html GG
20:12 MyTeke_ChrisWMas iptables is more like a firewall though a weak one using arm. WOW.. LOL.
20:12 MyTeke_ChrisWMas apple WHAT?
20:12 MyTeke_ChrisWMas sounds like bullsmack..
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20:13 MyTeke_ChrisWMas I am Surprised.. Apple is adding Viruses.. WOW hel Microsoft junior..
20:13 MyTeke_ChrisWMas hello, to a Mac war.
20:14 nrzkt it's not a virus it's a stupid easily exploitable hack by every kid here xD
20:14 MyTeke_ChrisWMas worms anybody because Apple is no longer wormless.
20:14 Emperor_Genshin nrzkt: lol
20:14 nrzkt there is a better new: Kotor II has been ported to Linux by bioware, support mods :D
20:15 xenkey Ugh
20:15 xenkey You people
20:15 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Yes, I understand.. It's a reason for the BigMacs to get afraid and buy damn antivirus software..
20:17 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Hello, iPhones "You are now at risk" hmmm I think not Hi Linux I need a robot that bakes pi and squash Apple Worms.. Thanks Dude for sharing that URL..
20:17 Emperor_Genshin I like how the topic is changing from minetest mods to Raspberry PI,  Mac Exploits, and Kotor II in a nutshell
20:18 aerth i need user stats mod i am reading how to code in lua (damnit)
20:19 nrzkt xD
20:19 Emperor_Genshin aerth: Well that's a first step :)
20:21 MinetestForFun Hi everyone
20:22 Emperor_Genshin o/
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20:26 aerth !pil
20:26 MinetestBot someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
20:27 aerth it should say http://www.lua.org/manual/ for sure
20:28 Krock some manuals are crazy loooooong
20:28 aerth http://www.lua.org/ftp/#manuals
20:28 aerth thats the link the bot should have on there
20:29 Krock Yeah, that's actually a better link. I think without making a pull request, there won't happen anything
20:29 aerth im looking on github now
20:30 Calinou aerth, https://atom.io is a nice editor for Minetest mods
20:30 Calinou install the language-lua package for Lua support
20:30 aerth thanks
20:30 stormchaser3000 Calinou: is there an official package on arch linux for lua for atom?
20:30 crazyR_laptop it is a good editor, but its also fairly memory hungry too
20:31 aerth i use bluefish currently.
20:32 aerth it has lua support
20:32 Calinou stormchaser3000, no, Atom has its own package manager for installing packages. You can build Atom from source, it's the preferred way, it's rather easy
20:32 MinetestForFun Atom is awesome, but very buggy and is memory hungry
20:32 Calinou no bugs here
20:33 Calinou (maybe you use bad packages)
20:33 Calinou it's memory hungry, but I have 8 GB of RAM
20:33 Calinou even on my Ultrabook with 4 GB of RAM it runs fine
20:33 MinetestForFun Without package, 4 to 5 bugs per day use
20:33 Calinou did you try 1.0?
20:33 Calinou 1.0 was released in June
20:33 MinetestForFun im in 1.0 since the beginning of this "stable" (lol) version
20:33 Calinou report bugs: https://github.com/atom/atom :P
20:34 MinetestForFun But Atom is better than every other text editor(/IDE)
20:34 aerth what do u use MinetestForFun
20:34 Calinou yeah, it pwns Geany literally
20:34 Calinou by the way, Geany 1.25 was released!
20:34 Calinou and it features an official OS X build!
20:34 init Calinou: having a text editor that uses 2gb+ of ram is pretty nasty
20:35 Calinou Minetest can eat 2+ GB of RAM too :P
20:35 MinetestForFun so, i used only Atom now... If you want to see the lots of bugs/errors atom have, you just need to check the Github issue page (ok, 2000+ issue last mounth and less than 1100 now, but... you know...)
20:35 Calinou thanks to its memory leaks
20:35 init yes, but minetest is a game
20:35 aerth so im using grep and regex to display the list of players on a web page
20:35 init I normally run my text editor + a compiler/interpreter/whatever next to it
20:35 init and I also have a web browser for documentation
20:36 Calinou Atom has package to have an integrated terminal, Web browser, linter
20:36 Calinou task runner too
20:36 MinetestForFun init +1, i have your opinion too
20:36 init I still found it pretty nice, it seems to be pretty shiny and not offering a life changing environment
20:37 MinetestForFun i have the same opinion as you* (sorry my bad english =))
20:37 init I mean, it still fails badly and freezes here when dealing with concurrent things
20:37 Calinou I wish it was written in ES6 rather than CoffeeScript though... that language will fade out soon
20:37 Calinou brb
20:37 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Fix crash in mainmenu when loaded subgame does not have a "menu" directory 5b0c719 http://git.io/vYf4M (2015-07-21T21:55:58+02:00)
20:37 init I wish it was written in a language that allows things to work out
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20:38 init maybe if we had a text editor written in a language that did minimal static analysis we could have better things by default
20:39 sfan5 you mean an IDE
20:39 init atom is an IDE as much as vim is
20:40 init I could have the same workflow I have with Atom right now with just vim or emacs if I wanted to, but I am still trying it and I don't wanna setup ghc-mod with them
20:40 init Calinou: using 2gb+ of ram and freezing because it seems to have problems waiting for external processes seems pretty silly :)
20:41 Calinou using a text editor for programming is self-hurting :)
20:41 init why?
20:41 Calinou no tools to assist you...
20:42 Calinou no one-click button to build
20:42 Calinou (and even less automatic build)
20:42 aerth i use bluefish and nano it works
20:42 init well, I would argue two things there
20:42 sfan5 uh
20:42 MinetestForFun the freeze of Atom are very boring :/
20:42 sfan5 i always use a text editor for programming
20:42 sfan5 and a terminal window
20:42 init it's not a binary choice
20:43 init sfan5: yes, but you are not a real programmer using IDEs
20:43 Calinou maybe it works for you, but I prefer being assisted
20:43 Calinou call me a noob, but it makes my job easier
20:43 sfan5 how does that relate to IDEs, init?
20:43 init Calinou: and other thing, I won't say tooling is inherently bad, but _lots_ of things can be fixed at a language level than a tool-level
20:43 aerth isnt an IDE just a text editor with syntax highlighting and a terminal window?
20:44 aerth and a filemanager
20:44 init Calinou: having a _linter_ check for typos in variables, making it do extremely complex static analysis, seems to be pretty much stupid to me
20:44 init sfan5: idk
20:44 sfan5 ok
20:44 init sfan5: you need to use android studio, atom, visual studio and 3 extra ides
20:44 sfan5 atom is an ide?
20:44 Calinou GitLab has a new logo btw
20:44 sfan5 nobody cares
20:45 init it obviously is sfan5, see, you are not a real programmer!!1!
20:45 Calinou init, it's bad for battery life indeed, but I rarely code when I'm on battery :)
20:45 init what?
20:45 sfan5 init: <insert xkcd real programmers here>
20:45 Calinou Atom is an editor-IDE hybrid
20:45 Calinou it's not an IDE actually
20:45 Calinou but you can make it into one
20:45 init vim is an editor-IDE hybrid, too
20:45 init and a bit older
20:45 init so is emacs
20:45 sfan5 and emacs is an operating system
20:46 init and I would argue that any "text editor" that goes outside the realm of just trivial-syntax-highlighting can be considered an IDE hybrid or whatever with that definition
20:46 init heck, every freaking thing can be scripted nowadays
20:46 aerth life is great
20:46 init Kate can, as an example, and it's just a text editor, isn't it?
20:46 sfan5 ur mum can't
20:47 Calinou does it have 1,000+ packages? ;)
20:47 Calinou is it modular? :)
20:47 Calinou is it fully hackable to the core, without touching C++? :D
20:47 Calinou can you style it with CSS?
20:47 init being modular is the new being webscale
20:47 sfan5 being modular isn't using HTML, CSS and js
20:47 init which are known to be non-modular
20:48 init JS as a language has broken scoping rules
20:48 init HTML is a really limited markup language, too
20:48 init so you use JS magic to generate things
20:48 init that you don't know if even are thing til late in the part
20:48 init y
20:48 aerth or PHP (pre hypertext processor i think)
20:48 init PHP is one of the worst things that happened to programming
20:49 aerth yeah i hear that all the time
20:49 init Calinou: "styling it with CSS?" seems to be a pretty specific thing limiting your posibilities
20:49 init Calinou: why don't you just ask for "can it be themed/styled?"
20:50 init Calinou: I could name you 4000 things done the Atom way(tm), and asking "does your editor do X?" to every one of them, will, obviously, leave just Atom
20:51 Calinou <init> HTML is a really limited markup language, too
20:51 Calinou what do you propose to make it less limited?
20:51 Calinou it is boring to write, you can use an HTML preprocessor if it really annoys you... like HAML
20:51 sfan5 a different one
20:52 init Calinou: also, being fully hackable isn't an extremely good thing if you allow it to be the "right" way to do things, the more internal details you expose the less you can change and the harder it becomes to mantain code because everything relies on implicit variants all the time
20:53 init Calinou: well, most things that I would do in HTML are just
20:53 init "doing what has been doing since it exists, but in a clear way, within its semantics, avoiding things like PHP, JS hacks"
20:54 init I don't know expressive it should be as a programming language though :P
20:54 MinetestForFun Freemint aren't here this night ?
20:55 init what's you native language MinetestForFun, btw?
20:55 nrzkt language for winers
20:55 nrzkt French :D
20:55 init buuuhh
20:55 nrzkt sorry init i talk only to systemd :p
20:56 stormchaser3000 man atom takes a while to compile
20:56 stormchaser3000 hopfully not as bad as qt
20:57 init android studio is using 670mb
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20:57 init atom is using 550
20:57 init right now
21:00 nrzkt ouch
21:00 Calinou stormchaser3000, it builds the CoffeeScript files to JavaScript, runs the Grunt task runner on it, etc
21:00 Calinou it also downloads the core packages
21:01 Calinou expect 30 minutes-an hour for first build
21:01 Calinou subsequent builds are much faster, ~3 minutes
21:01 Calinou and you can update your custom packages in the editor itself
21:04 Emperor_Genshin gedit :)
21:09 nrzkt geany for me
21:09 nrzkt but i use eclipse for minetest c++
21:10 MyTeke_ChrisWMas WOW, I miss the Good stuff here/
21:12 MyTeke_ChrisWMas LOL.. Which one?? I use gedit, geany and eclipse.. Though geany gets crazy with elements and gedit is meant for brain food, wait gedit is mind test for programming.
21:13 nrzkt generally i use vi for minor code editions, coupled with awk it's a must have :p
21:13 aerth http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hac​kers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway
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21:43 * TBC_x hates GUI IDEs
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22:03 MinetestBot [git] RealBadAngel -> minetest/minetest: Add wielded (and CAOs) shader 6035069 http://git.io/vYfNt (2015-07-21T23:56:41+02:00)
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22:57 init lalalalalaalalala
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23:29 AndroidKris VanessaE: what are the normalmaps downloads on your hdx texture packs?
23:29 AndroidKris rephrased...what does that particular zip do?
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