Time  Nick           Message
00:46 sloantothebone Sokomine where can I find the handle_schematics mod
00:58 AndroidKris    So, I'm in the process of building some epic crap right now, and I notice this...shadow. I'm not sure how else to describe it. There is nothing above that could block the sun and create the shadow, so...idk, here's a screenshot. What do you guys think?
00:58 AndroidKris    http://imgur.com/j6XCTPL
00:58 asl97          old lighting bug
00:59 AndroidKris    It wasn't there before though, it just showed up as i was building that wall.
00:59 asl97          https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2759
01:00 asl97          oops, wrong one but related
01:01 AndroidKris    awesome, thanks.
01:01 AndroidKris    bbl. store.
01:02 asl97          you can search for it in the issues or the forum, it should be somewhere
01:02 Sneebol        i find it a little funny how minecraft still has lighting bugs though
01:04 Sokomine       sloantothebone: https://github.com/Sokomine/handle_schematics   i think i have to add a threat on the forum  for it soon...
01:16 blaise         Sneebol: minecraft has lightning bugs? fire flies ?
01:16 blaise         I've never seen them!
01:16 Sneebol        blaise: Very funny!
01:17 blaise         all jokes aside, lightning bugs would be awesome
01:17 kahrl_         0.3 had them at some point
01:19 blaise         in minetest?
01:19 kahrl_         yeah
01:20 blaise         was it a firefly mod or something?
01:20 kahrl_         0.3 had no mods :P
01:20 kahrl_         it was in the core
01:20 Sneebol        blaise: you're asking my questions for me :P
01:20 blaise         :o
01:23 blaise         kahrl_: I wonder why they got tossed...
01:23 kahrl_         all mobs did
01:24 Sneebol        kahrl_: Why?
01:24 blaise         modularity
01:24 blaise         kiss methodology..
01:25 Sneebol        blaise: So you know why?
01:25 blaise         I just stated why
01:25 Sneebol        exactly
01:26 Sokomine       there are fireflies in the lott subgame. they're very small (only pixels) but move around. that looks very nice
01:27 Sneebol        sounds real cool!
01:28 Sokomine       they're nice
01:40 Sneebol        ...well this is exciting :P
01:46 Sneebol        BTW, do you guys also get the error about GUIFormSpecMenu::drawMenu() not loading "textures/base/pack/no_screenshot.png"?
02:04 asl97          so many texture change, it's like the talk on 0.5 is sparking all those changes
02:05 asl97          a new look for a new major version...
02:37 jhcole         does anyone know of a way to change the ownership of an elevator?
02:38 jhcole         as an admin, i like to be able to set the ownership of the elevator to that of a player
02:49 Pilcrow182     I know that you can store metadata in an itemstack, but is there a similar way to change the itemstack's description?
02:51 kaeza          Pilcrow182, not currently
02:56 Pilcrow182     kaeza: ah, alright. that sucks. guess I'll just have to figure something else out... thanks for the quick answer though...  :)
02:59 kaeza          I don't know if itemstack metadata is even sent to the client, but if so, there could be some sort of standard format (JSON?) to allow adding these kinds of things
03:00 kaeza          I mean, to let clients be able to show extended/custom descriptions, changing item images on the fly, etc
03:00 Pilcrow182     no idea. this is basically a 'learning project' for me, as I've never touched itemstack metadata before.
03:02 Pilcrow182     it would be a good feature to have anyway, as it would allow custom 'named' items (such as a default:sword_diamond named "Demon Slayer", etc)...
03:02 kaeza          I was thinking more of things like Borderlands procedural weapon generation <_<
03:03 asl97          those kind of stuff should be handle by the menu (eg: invertory menu)
03:03 asl97          unless i am wrong
03:05 Pilcrow182     kaeza: even better. named weapons was just a basic example. borderlands-style weapon generation would be awesome. I think that would require the ability to modify an individual tool's capabilities too, though...
03:06 Pilcrow182     (i.e attack speed, damage, etc)
03:08 Pilcrow182     ...that's beginning to sound more like on-the-fly item registration, which would be a massive amount of work to program into the core...  :/
03:09 asl97          or do you mean the player invertory?
03:09 kaeza          no, I don't mean on-the-fly registration, but on-the-fly modification; from the point of view of everything else, these would be the "same" item
03:10 Pilcrow182     asl97: we were originally talking about itemstacks, so that would be in the player inventory (or possibly chests, etc)
03:10 kaeza          kind of like you can :set_properties() on entities
03:12 Pilcrow182     kaeza: well. either way sounds like a lot of work. then again, I have next to no c/c++ knowledge. I do know I would LOVE such a feature if it did get implemented...  :)
03:12 asl97          iirc it is possible using hub but not directly intergrating the tooltip for the named item into the inventory
03:14 Sokomine       jhcole: hm, vanessae asked about changing owner of an elevator as well. why do you want to do it?
03:14 jhcole         i'm glad its you who asked :) i just submitted a pull request to travelnet btw
03:15 jhcole         your fork anyway
03:15 Sokomine       no, it's my mod :-)
03:15 asl97          it might be cool to have someting like: wielded: name of tool [special name if exist], durabilty: number
03:15 jhcole         i started a new server, and when the first player made an elevator the server crashed
03:17 jhcole         i believe i've identified the problem and submitted a solution in the pull request, then i fixed the players travelnet, but now I own it, and i'd like to know how to transfer ownership back to the player
03:17 freelikegnu    disable crash_on_elevator
03:20 Pilcrow182     asl97: you're talking about creating a lua hud element, right? that would work pretty well for some use-cases. still, a way to actively modify an itemstack's properties would be best.
03:21 Pilcrow182     sorry jhcole, but I don't really think that's possible at the moment. could be wrong though...
03:23 Sokomine       hmm. there ought to be no crash due to a new travelnet. as for changing the owner of an elevator...the way that's normally done is that you dig yours and the player who wants to have it placed places it...
03:24 jhcole         i guess i could copy there password hash to a temp file, reset their password, log in as them, grant them some temporay admin privs, fix the problem for them, revoke the privs, log out, reset their password to original hash....
03:24 jhcole         the mod_travelnet.data file was empty in my case
03:25 jhcole         this caused travelnet.targets to be net to nil and thus deleted
03:25 jhcole         *set to nil
03:26 jhcole         it was the very first attempt to configure a travelnet that triggered the crash
03:26 jhcole         and the crash repeated at every attempt to configure until I changed the code
03:27 asl97          jhcole: it should be very easy to create a tool which open a formspec with a editable menu which let you change the owner
03:28 asl97          the owner is just store in the meta no?
03:28 jhcole         that would be nice, i'm very new to running a server btw
03:28 jhcole         and i'm not very familiar with the code base yet
03:30 asl97          three space indent at the end of the init.lua :|
03:31 luizrpgluiz    VanessaE: I am creating a tree based on the example of dev.minetest, I have a friend who program a little MOON, made a beautiful tree in treedef :)
03:34 luizrpgluiz    Pilcrow182:hi :)
03:34 Sokomine       asl97: it's slightly more complicated. travelnets are assigned to networks, and those networks belong to the players who created them. in the end, it's all a table...but it's also more than a simple locked chest where changing the owner would have no further consequences
04:00 kaeza          well, this is a start: http://i.imgur.com/z7V504c.png
05:47 yang2003       How to change my skin in minetest?
05:48 AnotherBrick   depends on server
05:48 AnotherBrick   usually you open inventory and click the face
05:49 yang2003       depends?
05:49 yang2003       Do you have a link, please?
06:05 asl97          Sokomine: jhcole: i would have posted this if my internet didn't just die a few mins ago
06:05 asl97          this seem to work as intended: https://github.com/asl97/travelnet/tree/WARNING_CODE_WRITTEN_IN_5_MINS
06:06 asl97          note,  i don't have any plan on making a push request for that
06:29 RealBadAngel   yang2003, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8816
06:29 RealBadAngel   thats UnifiedInventory (UI) plugin
06:29 yang2003       thx
06:29 RealBadAngel   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3933
06:30 RealBadAngel   here you have UI
06:30 yang2003       ok
06:31 technomancy    RealBadAngel: hey, are you a dev of technic_game?
06:31 RealBadAngel   technomancy, yes
06:32 technomancy    RealBadAngel: cool; really enjoying it.
06:32 RealBadAngel   glad to hear that
06:32 technomancy    I noticed it includes the forth_computer mod. from what I can tell this is superseded by Novatux's turtle mod now
06:32 technomancy    would it make sense to swap it out?
06:33 RealBadAngel   at some point i will change the computer for the real one
06:33 technomancy    oh yeah? I'm working on one of my own actually.
06:33 RealBadAngel   this is very unstable (there are problems to run it on different platforms)
06:33 technomancy    more unix-like than the forth one
06:34 RealBadAngel   i want Z80 in
06:34 technomancy    the forth one is unstable? I noticed it tries to load some native code, which seems kinda sketchy
06:34 RealBadAngel   and complete CP/M enviroment
06:34 technomancy    haha, wow
06:35 RealBadAngel   when i mean complete, i mean ability to use all CPM soft
06:35 technomancy    that's hardcore
06:35 RealBadAngel   a bit ;)
06:35 technomancy    but won't you be severely limited by formspecs?
06:35 RealBadAngel   i dont think so ;)
06:35 technomancy    I'm sure most CPM software assumes the ability to place text in an ncurses-like way and to read a single character at a time from input.
06:36 technomancy    afaict neither is possible in minetest right now
06:37 RealBadAngel   when i start to code that it will be possible
06:37 technomancy    so you're waiting for the formspec system to be replaced?
06:37 RealBadAngel   no, i will introduce specialized drawtype for that
06:37 technomancy    gotcha
06:37 technomancy    and you'll need client-side scripting too?
06:38 RealBadAngel   thats hmmmm will do
06:38 technomancy    for the input
06:38 RealBadAngel   i could make a workaround but better to wait for client side lua
06:38 * technomancy  nods
06:38 technomancy    I am looking at the forth mod to try to make sure my peripherals are compatible and that we don't waste a lot of duplicated effort, but I couldn't figure out how to get forth_computer to even work.
06:39 RealBadAngel   about that you should talk to nore/novatux
06:39 technomancy    yeah, I opened a github issue; we'll see what he says
06:39 RealBadAngel   he made it just forth
06:39 technomancy    I am a bit skeptical that digilines are good for terminal IO because they are slow to propagate over long distances
06:40 crecca         what part of the program defines formspecs?
06:40 RealBadAngel   i want pure Z80 asm, so everything will be possible
06:40 technomancy    so I have my own instantaneous wireless protocol, but I feel a bit uncomfortable about it since it feels a bit NIH
06:40 RealBadAngel   crecca, formspecs are strings
06:41 technomancy    RealBadAngel: so if you ran it on lua's java implementation it would be a virtual virtual virtual machine =)
06:41 RealBadAngel   crecca, read UI code for example, it uses formspecs heavily with zillions of tricks ;)
06:42 RealBadAngel   technomancy, thats the point. all the fun :)
06:42 technomancy    RealBadAngel: I'm definitely interested in the ability to make a more capable terminal; the implementation I'm doing now with formspecs is pretty lousy.
06:42 RealBadAngel   nah, wait a bit
06:43 technomancy    RealBadAngel: what do you think of the idea of sticking with digilines for peripherals like keyboards and screens?
06:43 RealBadAngel   there will be terminal drawtype
06:43 technomancy    sweet
06:43 RealBadAngel   i plan to make it right, with 80x40 chars display, own dedicated memory
06:44 technomancy    \m/
06:44 RealBadAngel   basically it will be Hercules compatible display
06:45 RealBadAngel   imgur seems to be down for me atm, i cant show you the pics of what ive done already
06:45 technomancy    do you plan on using digilines for screens?
06:45 est31          terminal "drawtype??"
06:46 est31          you mean formspec type
06:46 RealBadAngel   http://i.imgur.com/pAqKMxr.png
06:46 est31          drawtypes are for nodes
06:46 RealBadAngel   i mean terminal node drawtype
06:46 RealBadAngel   kinda signlike with actual display in it
06:46 est31          thats awesome
06:47 technomancy    I've seen a node-based terminal, but IIUC it causes a memory leak since the textures are not GC'd
06:47 RealBadAngel   literally computer monitor
06:47 technomancy    also: awesome screenshot
06:48 RealBadAngel   work on it is heavily bound to singlike, and generating textures with text on the fly
06:49 RealBadAngel   once im done with one, i will have both of them
06:49 technomancy    are you adding the ability to GC unused textures then?
06:49 crecca         you mean guiFormSpecMenu.cpp?
06:49 est31          no formspecs
06:49 est31          this is in "real world"
06:49 RealBadAngel   im using generated textures in engine heavily already
06:49 RealBadAngel   theres no problem with that
06:50 est31          its a leak
06:50 RealBadAngel   textures are leak?
06:50 est31          as technomancy said, they arent cleaned up if you change the name
06:50 RealBadAngel   dont think so
06:50 est31          dont*
06:51 RealBadAngel   cache is flushed
06:51 est31          is it when?
06:51 RealBadAngel   on shutdown
06:51 est31          haha
06:51 est31          then its too late
06:52 technomancy    so yeah... that's a memory leak
06:52 est31          its when the user has realized minetest is shit and presses the close button
06:52 RealBadAngel   yes, it could be called like that
06:52 technomancy    not that it's an insurmountable problem, but it's something to be aware of
06:52 RealBadAngel   signlike and terminal will have to take care of it live
06:53 technomancy    anyway, I'm glad to see movement in this direction; I got pretty discouraged trying to create something on-sucky with formspecs
06:55 technomancy    RealBadAngel: is your plan to have the terminal connect to computers using digilines?
06:55 RealBadAngel   yeah
06:56 RealBadAngel   est31, technomancy also, when terminal (sign) will have own dedicated memory, updating the display(sign) will mean writing to that memory
06:57 RealBadAngel   and texture will be bound to it and updated on the change
06:57 technomancy    RealBadAngel: someone earlier was telling me that has a downside of requiring time to propagate through the wires; you don't think that will be too annoying?
06:57 RealBadAngel   also the destructor will simply flush it
06:58 RealBadAngel   technomancy, i dont think so. this doesnt have to be blazing fast
06:59 RealBadAngel   but anyways at some point we should really think of having wires logic in the core
06:59 RealBadAngel   lua is a BIT to slow for that
06:59 VanessaE       in-core wire logic is fine as long as mods can still expand on it
07:00 technomancy    I could see that
07:00 VanessaE       (e.g. adding gates, controllers, datapaths along the wires, etc)
07:00 RealBadAngel   we do have such PR already
07:03 RealBadAngel   VanessaE, just a thought, couldnt be it nice to see irc chat in screen like that?
07:03 VanessaE       I could see it being useful, maybe, in some corner-cases somewhere
07:03 crecca         there is always lua-JIT...
07:04 RealBadAngel   luajit can do shit about drawtypes
07:04 RealBadAngel   but it can do Z80 asm
07:05 crecca         but "wires logic in the core" sounds reasonable
07:09 VanessaE       crecca: specifically, both the logic to calculate how wires move signals about, AND a drawtype to actually display them
07:09 VanessaE       rather than nodeboxes/mesges and Lua code
07:11 crecca         does drawtypes apply only to nodes?
09:17 VanessaE       crecca: no, entities have a set of drawtypes to choose from also
09:17 VanessaE       but they're not the same as for nodes
09:21 sfan5          VanessaE: your servers was at OVH, right?
09:21 VanessaE       used to be yeah
09:21 VanessaE       it's hosted at Hetzner now
09:22 sfan5          was it in FR or CA?
09:23 VanessaE       when I was using the old OLD server, it was at the OVH Ontario datacenter, the one I had for like, a month, was a "SYS" server, in the France datacenter
09:23 VanessaE       (well one of their France ones, I forget where exactly)
09:24 VanessaE       (SYS is a division of OVH)
09:24 sfan5          i see
09:24 sfan5          i was wondering
09:24 VanessaE       hm?
09:24 est31          Duplicated seqnum 12456 non matching packet detected
09:25 est31          damn stupid crash
09:25 est31          yet another network problem
09:25 sfan5          i was just wondering where you have your server*
09:30 technomancy    I've been playing technic_game for a few days now, and I have yet to see any zinc
09:30 technomancy    the manual claims it's a common metal
09:30 sfan5          zinc is hard to find
09:30 est31          like uranium
09:30 sfan5          the manual is lying
09:30 est31          also claimed to be common
09:30 technomancy    sfan5: gotcha; good to know
09:30 technomancy    I've found 17 lumps of uranium and zero of zinc
09:40 technomancy    odd that zinc is required for every single machine recipe if it's so rare
09:43 ThatGraemeGuy  zinc isn't rare at all
09:44 ThatGraemeGuy  just discovered that moretrees doesn't consider height when deciding where to place trees
09:45 ThatGraemeGuy  deep underground lava lake, presumably with sand on the bottom, and an acacia poking out from the lava
09:45 technomancy    ThatGraemeGuy: what do you mean it's not rare?
09:45 ThatGraemeGuy  I mean that I have never had a shortage of zinc
09:45 technomancy    in technic_game?
09:46 ThatGraemeGuy  mmm no just technic the mod but i imagine their definitions are the same
09:46 ThatGraemeGuy  is technic_game even maintained anymore?
09:46 technomancy    apparently not ._.
09:47 ThatGraemeGuy  I have 4 full stacks of zinc blocks, so yeah
09:47 technomancy    I guess that means it's fixed then
09:47 ThatGraemeGuy  make sure you're grinding your lumps before cooking too
09:47 technomancy    assuming you can find a lump, which I can't
09:47 technomancy    but maybe updating the technic submodule will fix that
09:48 ThatGraemeGuy  when you really get into technic machinery you will find that copper is by far your biggest pain point
09:48 ThatGraemeGuy  /away
09:48 technomancy    kinda nervous to upgrade all these mods in technic_game at once
09:49 technomancy    but I already found a bug in mesecons that had been fixed upstream
09:50 technomancy    https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic_game/issues/13
09:52 technomancy    does technic work with carbone?
10:01 CWz            Probably not
10:01 CWz            unless it doesn't depend on minetest game
10:02 technomancy    drat. minetest game is kinda =\
10:42 Calinou        but Carbone's no longer maintained...
10:42 Calinou        and is based on 0.4.9 minetest_game...
10:43 VanessaE       Calinou: maybe you should re-release it as a modpack against minetest_game ?
10:43 Calinou        I might release Carbone parts as individual mods
10:43 wischi         is it possible to create a wiki-account (dev.minetest.net). create-account page seems broken. "Incorrect or missing confirmation code."/"please select just the cat photos in the box below" - but there are no photos/cats
10:44 Calinou        I wonder how well it would work to have Carbone Textures as a mod (to easily install textures server-side)
10:44 Calinou        Carbone Physics should be easy to do
10:44 Calinou        wischi, creation is manually done now
10:44 Calinou        PM me your e-mail address and desired username
10:44 wischi         ok, thx
10:44 VanessaE       textures are easy, just make a new mod with nothing but textures, and use depends.txt to soft-dep on the other mods that made up carbone before.
10:51 technomancy    wait, carbone is no longer manitained?
10:52 Calinou        yep, since January or so :/
10:52 technomancy    are there ... any subgames that are maintained?
10:52 Calinou        no time, and I find minetest_game good enough once you add mods
10:52 Calinou        I will make more parts of Carbone into mods, those were nice
10:52 Calinou        eg. physics
10:52 Calinou        Meze is already in its own mod
10:52 technomancy    I find carbone a much better base than minetest_game, but maybe I just didn't find the right mods
10:53 technomancy    finding the right mods to get a fun game *is* a lot of work for a newbie
10:54 technomancy    much easier to just point people to carbone
10:54 Calinou        feel free to maintain a topic that contains your favourite mods
10:54 Calinou        players can refer to it
10:55 technomancy    um, yeah but https://xkcd.com/927/
10:55 technomancy    it's not really a problem of "the information doesn't exist" so much as "newcomers have no way to find it"
11:10 Calinou        <technomancy> um, yeah but https://xkcd.com/927/
11:10 Calinou        avoiding monocultures is a good thing
11:10 Calinou        that xkcd is about standards, not software or documentation
11:10 Jordach        i had a feeling that was standards
13:04 Routh          Are there any mods that allow an admin to fix water like in Minecraft? I'd really like to be able to fix the air pockets under water that happen from cave formation.
13:05 Jordach        i'm working on a new player model which might resemble my render models to a large degree
13:07 Routh          That sounds interesting
13:09 Jordach        however, it partially requires a rewrite of the frame variables
13:32 Routh          Whats the best in-game bookmarks/map mod for players? I see the 'Bookmarks-GUI' mod, just the forum seems dead so I'm unsure if it's active/working?
13:58 Jordach        woo
13:58 Jordach        experimental port of my rendering models to MT might actually work
14:03 Jordach        no blender specific needs for this http://jordach.net/Images/BlenderStuff/driverless.png
14:08 technomancy    Calinou: I agree about avoiding a monoculture; I just think there's some middle ground
14:08 technomancy    essentially the case right now is that every newbie must construct their own microculture before they can enjoy the game
14:09 Calinou        I'd like to see more stuff in minetest_game, but I'm not a maintainer...
14:09 technomancy    personally I find that fun, but that's just because I'm an emacs user =)
14:09 Calinou        yet?
14:09 Calinou        paramat wanted to make me a maintainer, but he can't
14:09 technomancy    Calinou: don't you think that improving minetest_game actually does more to promote a monoculture?
14:09 est31          Calinou, what about including carbone too into minetest
14:09 est31          and dreambuilder
14:09 Calinou        it's too old :/
14:10 Calinou        technomancy, it does
14:10 est31          what became of celeron55's plan to ship subgames with the engine
14:10 est31          more subgames*
14:10 technomancy    shipping one subgame is clearly suboptimal
14:10 Jordach        moronic
14:11 Calinou        shipping more than one subgame leads to inconsistency thoug
14:11 Calinou        +h
14:11 technomancy    shipping none would force subgame creators to repackage minetest; I could see it working similar to the relationship between linux and the distributions
14:11 technomancy    probably crazy but an interesting thought experiment =)
14:11 est31          technomancy is right, there are many minetest forks in the play store that are just a repackaged minetest
14:11 est31          with another subgame
14:12 crecca         that's just a consequence of free software
14:12 technomancy    might as well embrace it
14:12 crecca         packing more or less subgames won't influence that
14:13 crecca         I think so
14:13 est31          I think the new path would be to make a completely new subgame, then all traditionalists can use minetest_game, and we have something to show off the engine (except dreambuilder and BFD)
14:13 technomancy    est31: that's what I thought carbone was =)
14:14 est31          gtg
14:16 technomancy    I guess it's pointless to discuss what should happen if you're not willing to make it happen.
14:17 technomancy    I'm busy with my unix mod.
14:28 Routh          Instead of packing the subgames with the core Minetest, just add a subgame repository that links to their github, and allow people to download at will like in Technic Pack.
14:29 sloantothebone Sokomine where do I find the handle_schematics mod?
14:31 Routh          https://github.com/Sokomine?tab=repositories
14:31 Routh          First entry in his repos
14:31 Jordach        her*|
14:33 Routh          Oops.. that was presumptious
14:33 Routh          presumptuous?
14:33 sloantothebone presumptuous
14:47 Sokomine       sloantothebone: https://github.com/Sokomine/handle_schematics
14:47 sloantothebone Ok why isnt that on google?
14:51 Sokomine       er, google? why? any hints of the mod's existence might be found in the chatlog of this server or on the forum where i mentionned it. i'm not sure right now if it requires inviting bots on github or if they scan the public folders automaticly
14:51 Sokomine       i certainly need to write a thread on the forum about it soon. but there are still some things i'd love to fix first
14:51 Sokomine       right now, a windows user reported a severe problem
14:53 haaaaa         how is hud_set_hotbar_itemcount() used? I am getting "attempt to call global 'hud_set_hotbar_itemcount' (a nil value)
14:54 technomancy    I'm having second thoughts about this mod https://github.com/technomancy/diginet/
14:54 technomancy    feel like it might be somewhat redundant with digilines
14:55 technomancy    I just feel like it would be more natural if you could address digiline messages directly to a given node. maybe using the node position as a channel would suffice for that.
14:58 crecca         haaaaa: use `player:hud_set_hotbar_itemcount()'
14:58 technomancy    any thoughts about using digilines for higher-level stuff?
14:58 haaaaa         thankyou crecca
14:59 crecca         no problem haaaaa
15:02 jluc           hello
15:03 jluc           When playing with 2 other players on the same local network, where do i have to install the mods ? on the server or on each computer ?
15:08 Routh          Server
15:12 jluc           ok i will try
15:12 jluc           can i create a bed with 0.4.12 ?
15:13 jluc           i use 2 piece of colored wool + 1 piece of white wool on top of 3 pieces of wood
15:13 jluc           but nothing happens, should i use special wood ?
15:14 Jordach        it needs to be red wool
15:17 Sokomine       jluc: get yourshelf a craftguide :-) unified_inventory is very fine for that
15:19 jluc           3 red wool on top of 3 wooden plank do nothing too
15:19 jluc           i will try unified inventory
15:20 Sokomine       maybe the beds mod is not enabled in your game?
15:25 jluc           it seems so
15:25 jluc           there is no mods available at all
15:26 Routh          by default mods will be set to 'false' in world.mt
15:26 Routh          You have to edit it and set them to true on a server.
15:27 jluc           the 'mods' menu's tab is not the way to activate them ?
15:29 crecca         jluc: no
15:29 crecca         t's in the singleplayer or server tab, depending which one you want
15:29 crecca         select the world you wanna use and click "configure" button
15:30 crecca         you'll have mods in the right window, and a check-box above it for enabling them
15:31 crecca         it's*
15:34 Routh          @Sokomine: How is mg_villages coming?
15:58 jluc           i've managed to install "ambiance"
15:58 jluc           but not other mods
15:58 jluc           because config tab says "Only characters [0-9a-z] are allowed" but all mods have . or - in their names and are refused
15:59 jluc           like unified-inventory
15:59 jluc           or minetest-wardrobe-1.1
15:59 VanessaE       jluc: you're supposed to rename the folders
15:59 jluc           oh
15:59 VanessaE       according to what their respective forum posts or README's tell you to do
15:59 VanessaE       Unified Inventory is unified_inventory for example
16:00 VanessaE       minetest-wardrobe-1.1 is probably just "wardrobe" (check its README or other documentation)
16:00 jluc           ok
16:11 crecca         by the way, I think the error message here is misleading, has it been noticed?
16:13 VanessaE       the thing about disallowed characters?
16:13 crecca         yeah
16:13 VanessaE       yeah, it's misleading to regular users.  makes sense to modders though.
16:14 crecca         does it? `unified_inventoryx' wouldn't work, even though it contains all the allowed characters, and yet it would display this error message
16:15 VanessaE       good point
16:15 VanessaE       now, there WAS a push to allow for an info file to be added to a mod to make folder names irrelevant
16:15 VanessaE       I can't remember if that went through or nor
16:15 VanessaE       or not*
16:17 VanessaE       however it should be noted that folder names can sometimes be irrelevant ANYway, particularly if the mod doesn't define any nodes or items under its own name
16:17 VanessaE       but then, the disallowed characters rule still applies.
16:18 VanessaE       but you're right that the error message needs to be clarified if it happens in your example case.
16:18 VanessaE       you should poke the minetest core devs about it
16:18 VanessaE       meanwhile, I'm gonna head back out
16:19 crecca         yeah I'll keep an eye
16:24 H-H-H          arent folder names irelivent if using modpack.txt ?
16:24 H-H-H          or am i thinking of something else
16:24 crecca         but now you enlightened me about what is the reason why the folders have to have specific names
16:25 H-H-H          hey VanessaE i finally got my mintest android build to build and run with decent sound :)
16:51 jluc           thanks VanessaE it works now
16:52 jluc           i've activated the advanced inventory but i immediately deleted all items !!
16:53 jluc           can i recover them ?
16:54 amadin         hi, does enybody can tell me how to set timeout after death and before re-spawn for players?
16:57 Krock          minetest.after(seconds, function() .. end)
16:57 amadin         thanks
16:57 Krock          np
17:06 est31          I think as an engine, minetest doesnt have to hide
17:07 est31          we have clear advantages, like lua modability while still being programmed in c++ for speed
17:07 est31          also we dont have to abide minecraft's serialisation, which allows us to have far more generic itemdefs
17:07 est31          nodedef*
17:08 est31          problem lies with the client I think
17:10 H-H-H          hey est31 i got my build working with sound now by d/l and building the fdroid source.tgz now looking at whats changed since and its erm a lot lol
17:11 H-H-H          between last android release and master
17:11 jluc           i have installed beds mod : how can i sleep now ?
17:12 est31          H-H-H, great to hear
17:13 H-H-H          can you remember whic commit you used for the fdroid one
17:13 H-H-H          their source d/l has no git
17:13 est31          you can find out by looking at the recipe
17:14 est31          they put great value at knowing the exact git commit
17:14 crecca         est31: what do you mean by "minecraft's serialization"?
17:14 est31          this video gives great intro --> https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/f_droid/
17:14 H-H-H          where would i find that (im being thick)
17:14 crecca         (I don't have a clue about minecraft)
17:15 est31          crecca, we arent compatible to minecraft in the protocol
17:15 est31          this enables us to store data differently
17:15 est31          and more generally
17:15 est31          for example, minecraft hardcodes all ids
17:15 crecca         what are ids?
17:18 H-H-H          found it ty est31 :)
17:18 H-H-H          was commit=315b00d15081d1f56f0e2de22a4ff1a393ab7f22
17:20 crecca         ok found on wiki what id is
17:22 H-H-H          which is stable-0.4 head
17:22 crecca         so in minetest it's default:cactus and in minecraft it's hardcoded 81
17:22 H-H-H          yeah
17:23 crecca         minetest doesn't have to hide, and shouldn't :)
17:28 H-H-H          wb est31
17:28 H-H-H          was commit=315b00d15081d1f56f0e2de22a4ff1a393ab7f22
17:28 H-H-H          which is stable-0.4 head
17:29 H-H-H          which is commit=ceac41ed6e2458e55f7277a9758dbea3cf907d74 in master :)
17:30 est31          yea crecca thats the trick
17:31 est31          and the engine puts great effort into avoiding possible speed problems
17:32 est31          eg it sends the strings only once at connection, and then uses ids
17:32 est31          but those ids only last as long as the server is running
17:32 crecca         oh I see
17:32 est31          server restart changes them
17:32 jluc           when my daughter runs as server she has privileges
17:33 crecca         so you're refering to network speed
17:33 jluc           is it possible for her to run as server but not have priviledges ?
17:33 est31          jluc, no, not currently. perhaps your daughter can run a headless server, there she can edit her privileges
17:34 crecca         but isn't that bad parenting?
17:35 jluc           then i think i will run the server so my son doesnt feel frustrated not having these priviledges
17:35 crecca         good parenting
17:36 est31          yea makes most sense
17:47 Calinou        poor GunshipPenguin, I'm stealing all his "customers" :-D
17:47 Calinou        10 players on my HG server, 7 players on his
17:48 Routh          Confused, minetest states "No route to host" when starting with a redis config, yet the server has route to host.... so it's not a routing issue?
17:48 crecca         Calinou, do you have more servers now?
17:49 crecca         my fav server is going down, I'll need to find a new home soon
17:49 Calinou        I host only 1
17:49 crecca         :(
17:49 Calinou        I don't have the resources to host several
17:50 Calinou        the only one is a hunger games one, because it's more interesting than those generic "survival" servers
17:50 Calinou        and the creative servers get griefed to hell
17:51 crecca         so the griefers win by shutting down the servers. I won't accept that
17:52 Calinou        hosting a creative server means you must constantly repair buildings
17:53 crecca         how do they do that if the area is protected? for example with land rush block
17:54 crecca         I haven't experienced that yet
17:57 crecca         I understand if you don't want to spread that information :D
18:03 crecca         but if the griefers push in one direction, I guess there must be someone pushing in the other
18:08 est31          there are other ways to run creative servers too
18:08 est31          do it like Vanessa, have rules, interact only if you read them
18:08 Calinou        either people never protect their stuff, or they abuse protection and you can't build anywhere
18:09 est31          then protection, yes
18:09 est31          one server I know of has done it with "patches" of lang
18:09 est31          land*
18:09 est31          you had to play on the server in order to get a patch
18:09 est31          gain minegeld
18:09 est31          then you can protect
18:10 est31          or better, then its protected for you
18:14 est31          Calinou, also dont forget tanks of freedom :)
18:14 Calinou        horrible graphics as usual :(
18:14 Calinou        I've had my share of pixels
18:15 est31          heh
18:15 est31          i like pixels
18:17 crecca         I love the OCD mod
18:17 crecca         although its development stagnated
18:23 sloantothebone Can I delete the world map in lua? I want to put a check mark in the main menu called "hardcore mode" where the map gets deleted when you die
18:28 luizrpgluiz    someone here in IRC community would like to be the moderator of my server?
18:29 sloantothebone Uh sure, I've been moderator before
18:29 sloantothebone You should use the irc mod btw
18:31 luizrpgluiz    I currently use windows to host my server in my celeron d
18:33 luizrpgluiz    because the simplest linux even with swap memory, my minetest server is catching a lot and in the windows xp, my server is no catch.
18:33 sloantothebone Ok
18:34 sloantothebone Are you asking somebody to run your server?
18:35 luizrpgluiz    at the moment I'm fine hosting my own server :)
18:37 daswort        What does that even mean? "because the simplest linux even with swap memory"
18:38 sloantothebone It means that he tried running a server on it
18:38 LazyJ          luizrpgluiz, I recommend moderators from your own server. It will take time, but it is better to promote from players who regularly play on your server and have so for a long time. That way they are familiar with the world, the server rules, and the customs of the server. Observe the more mature players for a month or two, then pick moderators (but not full admin privs) from that group.
18:39 sloantothebone What is the ip of your server
18:40 sloantothebone luizrpgluiz
18:43 angele         hi ya'all👉
18:53 luizrpgluiz    hi angele
18:58 angele         yooo bru!
18:58 angele         what's up!
18:59 luizrpgluiz    i am fine
19:02 CWz            hey LazyJ
19:02 LazyJ          Howdy, CWz ;)
19:02 luizrpgluiz    LazyJ: I trust the people of the IRC community, I'll let gradually more developers mods also be moderator
19:08 Calinou        hunger games server extended to 20 slots
19:08 Calinou        added more chests at spawn
19:13 luizrpgluiz    :)
19:14 luizrpgluiz    sloantothebone:    are you there sloan ?
19:14 sloantothebone Yes kinda
19:15 sloantothebone Sorry I'm on moontest
19:15 luizrpgluiz    moontest server?
19:15 sloantothebone Yeah
19:15 sloantothebone and irc
19:15 luizrpgluiz    :D
19:18 sloantothebone I need help with troubleshooting, my chat is laggy
19:18 sloantothebone So is my inventory
19:26 luizrpgluiz    that's weird you are unable to get into my server, many players can enter my server usually using the 0.4.12 version of minetest
19:45 luizrpgluiz    I do not like to use Linux only because of the mod IRC
19:46 sd1001         luizrpgluiz: wat?
19:46 sd1001         You don't like to use a linux operating system because IRC exists?
19:46 luizrpgluiz    the mod IRC minetest need Linux to run
19:47 H-H-H          plz link to where it says that :|
19:49 sd1001         Oh, in that way
19:49 luizrpgluiz    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905
19:49 sd1001         Can't you just run it in a virtual machine?
19:50 sd1001         Also, it only says it hasn't been "thoroughly tested", not that it doesn't work on windows
19:50 luizrpgluiz    Você quis dizer: eu não uso maquina virtual,eu uso dual boot em meu computador e tem swap de 1 GB de memória  I do not use virtual machine, I use dualboot on my computer and have swap 1GB memory
19:51 luizrpgluiz    ops
19:51 luizrpgluiz    I do not use virtual machine, I use dual boot on my computer and have swap 1GB memory
19:52 sd1001         What operating system are you using with 1GB ram?
19:52 luizrpgluiz    linux lubuntu 15.04
19:53 sd1001         So you *are* you using linux, but only for that mod?
19:54 H-H-H          ok theres no reason why that wont work on windows
19:55 H-H-H          also in the very first post it states Note: This mod has not been yet thoroughly tested on Windows
19:55 H-H-H          which means it hasnt been thoroughly tested on windows not that it doesnt work on windows
19:56 H-H-H          bah sd1001 beat me to it lol
21:07 Calinou        17 players on my server :D
21:12 sfan5          !servers players:most
21:12 sfan5          !server players:most
21:12 MinetestBot    sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 25/78, 28/44 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / minetest | Ping: 37ms
21:12 sfan5          as expected
21:12 Calinou        !server hunger games
21:12 MinetestBot    Calinou: HUNGER GAMES [Europe/Reims] | 178.170.68.180 | Clients: 19/20, 9/19 | Version: 0.4.12 / hungry_games | Ping: 14ms
21:12 Calinou        :-)
21:42 crecca         !server Liberty Land Minetest
21:42 MinetestBot    crecca: Liberty Land Minetest | m.ayntest.net | Clients: 3/35, 3/13 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / ayntest | Ping: 1ms
21:43 crecca         yay, a crowd
21:46 luizrpgluiz    :D