Time Nick Message 00:11 LinuxGuy2020 Thank you 00:23 OldCoder codehero, Inchra #minetest-lott 00:29 LinuxGuy2020 VanessaE: Do you happen to remember the mod that gives the cammo blocks etc? My nephew really wants that stuff. 00:56 est31 what are cammb blocks 02:52 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Add Lua errors to error dialog 130d65ee8 http://git.io/vtaIU (152015-06-29T04:47:35+02:00) 02:53 technomancy awww yiss 02:54 technomancy http://imgur.com/Szg7JAS 03:11 Sokomine est31: cameoflage (sp?). a mod from dan duncombe. i think it's maintained by vanessae now. she took care of many of dans mods. might be in dreambuilder as well 06:16 VanessaE Sokomine: it's "camo modpack" and actually I don't maintain that one. it is not in dreambuilder but it IS on a couple of my servers 07:01 Gael-de-Sailly Look at this (old) commit : https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/4ec4672f016880713b9c4062032be14f6f3c98b1 07:01 Gael-de-Sailly What do you think ? 07:17 VanessaE I didn't realize that stuff was still relevant 07:17 VanessaE oh, it isn't 07:17 VanessaE (that looked like a PR at first) 09:13 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Camera Day! 😃 09:15 VanessaE hi 10:02 technomancy oh no https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=182476#p182476 10:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix *BSD build with GNU iconv 134e28c8d http://git.io/vtweY (152015-06-29T12:32:01+02:00) 12:19 CWz Has there been any reports of minetest servers being ddosed recetly? 12:37 sfan5 no 13:01 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Add UpdateThread and use it for minimap and mesh threads 1329dda9f http://git.io/vtw7b (152015-06-29T15:00:19+02:00) 13:17 CWz grandpa Zeno` 13:22 Zeno` :P 13:22 * Zeno` leans on his cane 13:40 CWz How are you Zeno` 13:53 marktraceur Possibly the most useful mod I have ever made... /dropall 14:50 Calinou I thought it was /dontuseatomandremembertoflamethefsf 14:50 est wow 14:52 est linus fsf flame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaKIZ7gJlRU 14:54 est "so if you want to get money to a organisation that does good, give it to the eff. the fsf is full of crazy biggered people" 14:54 est he said a organisation, not an 14:57 technomancy he's not a native english speaker 14:58 technomancy he's pretty notorious anyway for ad-homenims at people he disagrees with; in this case they got off pretty lightly 14:58 technomancy compared to his typical verbal abuse 14:58 * Krock thinks about porting the english language.. an abstract idea 14:59 est english is already ported to alot of media 14:59 technomancy finnish is actually a pretty logical language, so it's understandable that he doesn't have time for all the nonsense of english 14:59 est thanks to abstraction layers like unicode or ascii 14:59 est you can treat it as simple bits and bytes 14:59 est and of course, thanks to writing systems 14:59 technomancy english is the C++ of human languages. 15:00 Krock thanks ASCII for 13375P34K 15:00 est ^ 15:00 Krock technomancy->exit(); 15:01 technomancy Krock: sorry I only accept commands in emacs lisp, forth, and standard ML. 15:01 Krock oh :( 15:01 est ^C 15:07 Calinou the EFF doesn't only do good 15:54 xenkey Calinou: um what 15:55 Calinou the picture I sent you is a scan of a 1996 magazine 15:55 technomancy I think my mod is basically ready https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12705 15:56 xenkey How do I use remote media again? 15:57 technomancy anyone up for some crazy in-game programming? 15:57 jin_xi fork bombs? 15:58 technomancy if you like =) 15:58 technomancy I haven't implemented pre-empting yet, but it's on my list 15:59 jin_xi your mod looks neat in any case 15:59 technomancy jin_xi: thanks =) 15:59 technomancy jin_xi: do I recognize your name from the turtle mod? 16:00 * jin_xi hangs head in shame 16:00 xenkey http://www.bitx.pw/ is this right? 16:00 jin_xi yes i did some turtle mod, but there are others and much better around. nore did one i believe 16:00 technomancy jin_xi: I keep kicking myself for not having tried it out yet. I am a huge fan of logo; seymour papert is a hero of mine. =) 16:00 jin_xi its not logo tho 16:00 technomancy well 16:01 technomancy "logo" is kind of a broad term, bigger than just the language. 16:01 jin_xi uses weird forth to skip l-systems in treegen originally 16:01 technomancy it has more to do with exploring computational geometry through exploratory programming, which can take many forms 16:01 xenkey Right 16:02 xenkey I have a big decision to make 16:02 jin_xi but i have given up on that and later versions used lua to generate turtle programs... 16:02 xenkey I might host a server for the first time with mesecons added 16:02 technomancy I am also a forth fan; I built a keyboard that runs forth on its internal microcontroller, but I think in this case sticking with lua makes sense =) 16:03 jin_xi i found lua quite sucky to do a little DSL 16:03 jin_xi too much syntax 16:03 technomancy jin_xi: even with setfenv? 16:03 jin_xi oh well, its probably not lua but my lacking skills then... :) 16:04 technomancy I mean, with setfenv you can say "run this code, but run it in the context where the things in this table are available as globals" 16:04 jin_xi can't say i tried to hard, but a single simple macro could have done it 16:04 technomancy so you can have easy access to turtly things in scripts without polluting globals for all mods running 16:04 jin_xi yes that sounds useful i was looking to use it to do something alike js with statement 16:04 xenkey technomancy: is that ingame programming offer still open? 16:05 * technomancy nods 16:05 xenkey Where do I sign? 16:05 technomancy xenkey: are you running a public server? 16:05 jin_xi but i just dont want to type it all out. Along comes the security patch... and then i stopped caring 16:05 xenkey technomancy: I sure am 16:05 technomancy xenkey: this is really unsuitable for that unfortunately 16:05 xenkey I have zero players 16:05 xenkey i think we can give it a shot 16:06 technomancy xenkey: at this stage I haven't added any security in beyond basic sandboxing; it is trivially easy to bring down the game with a malicious script and possibly even possible to steal admin privs 16:06 xenkey right 16:06 technomancy but if you want to live on the wild side: https://github.com/technomancy/calandria/blob/master/Readme.md 16:07 xenkey_ hm 16:07 xenkey_ you could make an OVH api and connect the placed node to a live server 16:08 xenkey_ Now that would be crazy 16:08 technomancy you could probably prevent stealing admin privs by commenting out line 63 of server.lua since the chat command stuff is pretty half-baked, undocumented, and lightly tested anyway 16:08 xenkey_ What about integrating this with docker 16:08 technomancy so then you'd just be worrying about DOS and allowing anyone to log into any server as any user 16:09 xenkey_ should i add mesecons to my server? 16:09 technomancy xenkey_: not the craziest idea. but I think adding security wouldn't be all that difficult; I just haven't gotten around to it yet 16:09 technomancy yessss mesecons is awesome 16:09 xenkey_ but it's so 16:09 xenkey_ big 16:09 xenkey_ is there a smaller version? 16:09 xenkey_ Last time I put it on a live server I spend hours slimming down the textures and code 16:10 technomancy I've only ever played on LAN 16:59 xenkey Okay I just set up mesecons, digiline, remote media and some addons for digiline 18:00 est VanessaE, are you still awake? 18:01 est I have a german speaking user here and he wants to install the ppa 18:02 est has debian wheezy 18:11 xenkey http://psycho.space/p/q3i7 thoughts? 18:33 xenkey Hi 18:34 xenkey Does anyone have any cool ideas for digiline circuits? 18:39 Jordach one that shuts doors when players approach 18:48 xenkey I don't have the object detector 18:48 xenkey I mean for the spawn part 18:57 xenkey https://sr.ht/9940.png 18:57 xenkey news system 18:58 xenkey Wait can other people change the channel of a screen? 19:18 xenkey Anyone fancy building a 4 segment display with me? 19:20 Yellowberry I would... But this computer dislikes Minetest. 19:21 Yellowberry as in it just blue screens 19:21 Yellowberry :( 19:29 Krock Yellowberry, you can colorize it 19:40 Yellowberry ahahaha 19:40 Yellowberry nice one 19:40 Yellowberry see you later 19:41 Yellowberry got to go eat lunch 19:46 xenkey How do I raise the overheat threshold? 19:51 xenkey https://sr.ht/d311.png why does this code overheat? 19:52 xenkey I'm sending it this https://sr.ht/1f3e.png 19:58 sloantothebone Hello 20:00 sloantothebone How do you specify things to be done client-side in lua? 20:01 Calinou you can't currently. 20:01 Sokomine er, in general you don't? mods run on the server. part of the menu system is also lua...that you can change locally. but i don't know if that's what you want (rather unlikely) 20:01 xenkey https://sr.ht/3d55.txt The time doesn't seem to be shown 20:02 xenkey https://sr.ht/aec3.png layout is like so 20:02 sloantothebone Well they should implement client side stuff. Then you could make boats less laggy and whatnot 20:02 Calinou they... 20:02 Calinou spooky they... 20:02 Sokomine probably. in general, boats work quite well 20:03 xenkey Anyone want to do some digiline with me? 20:03 Sokomine if you just want to get from a to b, a teleportation mod might be the best choice. else...some funny, slightly buggy handling is not so bad 20:03 Sokomine xenkey: sorry, never did much there and can't really help you 20:03 xenkey Okay 20:03 xenkey I'm loving the mesecons though 20:04 xenkey First time using them and they're so straightforeward 20:05 Cryterion try out the digilines then 20:05 xenkey I'm using them 20:14 xenkey https://sr.ht/e51d.png 20:16 xenkey Oh god people can change the channel 20:21 xenkey Is there any way to avoid this? 20:30 Jordach sfan5, pls http://i.imgur.com/wkibe7s.gif 20:30 sfan5 Jordach: meow 20:31 Jordach sfan5 being a forum moderator http://i.imgur.com/v2TaP0J.gif 20:31 sfan5 lel 20:36 xenkey sqrt(a^a) == a right? 20:38 xenkey https://sr.ht/2c4a.txt 20:38 xenkey Thoughts? 20:39 xenkey I could make a mod which gives players a factorisation puzzle 20:52 xenkey https://sr.ht/e2b6.png 21:08 sfan5 xenkey: do you only want math majors on your server? 21:08 xenkey math majors 21:08 xenkey im sure 14 year olds can solve these 21:09 xenkey i did quadratics at 14 21:09 xenkey But I'll leave it at a really simple logic puzzle 21:11 sfan5 xenkey: is the value for sqrt in radians or degrees 21:11 sfan5 there are many ways to get that wrong 21:11 xenkey uh 21:11 sfan5 especially for younger players 21:11 xenkey sqrt(a^2) = a, it's quite obvious 21:12 TheWild sqrt(a^a) is actually abs(a) 21:12 xenkey a^2 21:12 sfan5 ohhh 21:12 sfan5 wait 21:12 sfan5 nvm 21:12 TheWild oops, right I meant a^2 21:13 sfan5 sqrt is not sin 21:13 xenkey lol 21:13 sfan5 but i still think math questions of this level are not suited to prevent bots 21:13 sfan5 or whatever you want to prevent 21:14 xenkey I want to prevent illiterate 8 year olds 21:14 xenkey Math and english go hand in hand usually 21:14 sfan5 but not square roots 21:15 xenkey But I think you'll agree it's extremely good for deterring griefers 21:15 xenkey And it's a concept I've not seen anywhere before 21:42 Jordach !tell xenkey even better - have a puzzle that can't be googled or wolfram alpha'd 21:42 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when xenkey is around 22:09 LinuxGuy2020 Is it possible to use world editor to save and import from one world to another? It looks like it has save/load features but I wasnt sure. 22:10 Sokomine LinuxGuy2020: the mod WorldEdit will help you 22:10 Sokomine you can also try to use my handle_schematics mod, but that's not finished yet 22:12 LinuxGuy2020 Sokomine: So Im correct in assuming thats what the save/load thing I saw was for? 23:16 LinuxGuy2020 What mod do I need to protect areas that are already completed on a home server map? I just want to be able to mark them so no one can add/remove anything to those parts. 23:38 LinuxGuy2020 What mod is needed to protect areas that are already built? Maybe there is a good one that allows change of ownership etc.