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00:11 LinuxGuy2020 Thank you
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00:29 LinuxGuy2020 VanessaE: Do you happen to remember the mod that gives the cammo blocks etc? My nephew really wants that stuff.
00:56 est31 what are cammb blocks
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02:52 MinetestBot [git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Add Lua errors to error dialog 0d65ee8 http://git.io/vtaIU (2015-06-29T04:47:35+02:00)
02:53 technomancy awww yiss
02:54 technomancy http://imgur.com/Szg7JAS
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03:11 Sokomine est31: cameoflage (sp?). a mod from dan duncombe. i think it's maintained by vanessae now. she took care of many of dans mods. might be in dreambuilder as well
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06:16 VanessaE Sokomine: it's "camo modpack" and actually I don't maintain that one.  it is not in dreambuilder but it IS on a couple of my servers
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07:01 Gael-de-Sailly Look at this (old) commit : https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/com​mit/4ec4672f016880713b9c4062032be14f6f3c98b1
07:01 Gael-de-Sailly What do you think ?
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07:17 VanessaE I didn't realize that stuff was still relevant
07:17 VanessaE oh, it isn't
07:17 VanessaE (that looked like a PR at first)
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09:13 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Camera Day! 😃
09:15 VanessaE hi
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10:02 technomancy oh no https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=182476#p182476
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10:34 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix *BSD build with GNU iconv 4e28c8d http://git.io/vtweY (2015-06-29T12:32:01+02:00)
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12:19 CWz Has there been any reports of minetest servers being ddosed recetly?
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12:37 sfan5 no
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13:01 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Add UpdateThread and use it for minimap and mesh threads 29dda9f http://git.io/vtw7b (2015-06-29T15:00:19+02:00)
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13:17 CWz grandpa Zeno`
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13:22 Zeno` :P
13:22 * Zeno` leans on his cane
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13:40 CWz How are you Zeno`
13:53 marktraceur Possibly the most useful mod I have ever made... /dropall
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14:50 Calinou I thought it was /dontuseatomandremembertoflamethefsf
14:50 est wow
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14:52 est linus fsf flame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaKIZ7gJlRU
14:54 est "so if you want to get money to a organisation that does good, give it to the eff. the fsf is full of crazy biggered people"
14:54 est he said a organisation, not an
14:57 technomancy he's not a native english speaker
14:58 technomancy he's pretty notorious anyway for ad-homenims at people he disagrees with; in this case they got off pretty lightly
14:58 technomancy compared to his typical verbal abuse
14:58 * Krock thinks about porting the english language.. an abstract idea
14:59 est english is already ported to alot of media
14:59 technomancy finnish is actually a pretty logical language, so it's understandable that he doesn't have time for all the nonsense of english
14:59 est thanks to abstraction layers like unicode or ascii
14:59 est you can treat it as simple bits and bytes
14:59 est and of course, thanks to writing systems
14:59 technomancy english is the C++ of human languages.
15:00 Krock thanks ASCII for 13375P34K
15:00 est ^
15:00 Krock technomancy->exit();
15:01 technomancy Krock: sorry I only accept commands in emacs lisp, forth, and standard ML.
15:01 Krock oh :(
15:01 est ^C
15:07 Calinou the EFF doesn't only do good
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15:54 xenkey Calinou: um what
15:55 Calinou the picture I sent you is a scan of a 1996 magazine
15:55 technomancy I think my mod is basically ready https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=12705
15:56 xenkey How do I use remote media again?
15:57 technomancy anyone up for some crazy in-game programming?
15:57 jin_xi fork bombs?
15:58 technomancy if you like =)
15:58 technomancy I haven't implemented pre-empting yet, but it's on my list
15:59 jin_xi your mod looks neat in any case
15:59 technomancy jin_xi: thanks =)
15:59 technomancy jin_xi: do I recognize your name from the turtle mod?
16:00 * jin_xi hangs head in shame
16:00 xenkey http://www.bitx.pw/ is this right?
16:00 jin_xi yes i did some turtle mod, but there are others and much better around. nore did one i believe
16:00 technomancy jin_xi: I keep kicking myself for not having tried it out yet. I am a huge fan of logo; seymour papert is a hero of mine. =)
16:00 jin_xi its not logo tho
16:00 technomancy well
16:01 technomancy "logo" is kind of a broad term, bigger than just the language.
16:01 jin_xi uses weird forth to skip l-systems in treegen originally
16:01 technomancy it has more to do with exploring computational geometry through exploratory programming, which can take many forms
16:01 xenkey Right
16:02 xenkey I have a big decision to make
16:02 jin_xi but i have given up on that and later versions used lua to generate turtle programs...
16:02 xenkey I might host a server for the first time with mesecons added
16:02 technomancy I am also a forth fan; I built a keyboard that runs forth on its internal microcontroller, but I think in this case sticking with lua makes sense =)
16:03 jin_xi i found lua quite sucky to do a little DSL
16:03 jin_xi too much syntax
16:03 technomancy jin_xi: even with setfenv?
16:03 jin_xi oh well, its probably not lua but my lacking skills then... :)
16:04 technomancy I mean, with setfenv you can say "run this code, but run it in the context where the things in this table are available as globals"
16:04 jin_xi can't say i tried to hard, but a single simple macro could have done it
16:04 technomancy so you can have easy access to turtly things in scripts without polluting globals for all mods running
16:04 jin_xi yes that sounds useful i was looking to use it to do something alike js with statement
16:04 xenkey technomancy: is that ingame programming offer still open?
16:05 * technomancy nods
16:05 xenkey Where do I sign?
16:05 technomancy xenkey: are you running a public server?
16:05 jin_xi but i just dont want to type it all out. Along comes the security patch... and then i stopped caring
16:05 xenkey technomancy: I sure am
16:05 technomancy xenkey: this is really unsuitable for that unfortunately
16:05 xenkey I have zero players
16:05 xenkey i think we can give it a shot
16:06 technomancy xenkey: at this stage I haven't added any security in beyond basic sandboxing; it is trivially easy to bring down the game with a malicious script and possibly even possible to steal admin privs
16:06 xenkey right
16:06 technomancy but if you want to live on the wild side: https://github.com/technomancy/​calandria/blob/master/Readme.md
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16:07 xenkey_ hm
16:07 xenkey_ you could make an OVH api and connect the placed node to a live server
16:08 xenkey_ Now that would be crazy
16:08 technomancy you could probably prevent stealing admin privs by commenting out line 63 of server.lua since the chat command stuff is pretty half-baked, undocumented, and lightly tested anyway
16:08 xenkey_ What about integrating this with docker
16:08 technomancy so then you'd just be worrying about DOS and allowing anyone to log into any server as any user
16:09 xenkey_ should i add mesecons to my server?
16:09 technomancy xenkey_: not the craziest idea. but I think adding security wouldn't be all that difficult; I just haven't gotten around to it yet
16:09 technomancy yessss mesecons is awesome
16:09 xenkey_ but it's so
16:09 xenkey_ big
16:09 xenkey_ is there a smaller version?
16:09 xenkey_ Last time I put it on a live server I spend hours slimming down the textures and code
16:10 technomancy I've only ever played on LAN
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16:59 xenkey Okay I just set up mesecons, digiline, remote media and some addons for digiline
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18:00 est VanessaE, are you still awake?
18:01 est I have a german speaking user here and he wants to install the ppa
18:02 est has debian wheezy
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18:11 xenkey http://psycho.space/p/q3i7 thoughts?
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18:33 xenkey Hi
18:34 xenkey Does anyone have any cool ideas for digiline circuits?
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18:39 Jordach one that shuts doors when players approach
18:48 xenkey I don't have the object detector
18:48 xenkey I mean for the spawn part
18:57 xenkey https://sr.ht/9940.png
18:57 xenkey news system
18:58 xenkey Wait can other people change the channel of a screen?
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19:18 xenkey Anyone fancy building a 4 segment display with me?
19:20 Yellowberry I would... But this computer dislikes Minetest.
19:21 Yellowberry as in it just blue screens
19:21 Yellowberry :(
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19:29 Krock Yellowberry, you can colorize it
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19:40 Yellowberry ahahaha
19:40 Yellowberry nice one
19:40 Yellowberry see you later
19:41 Yellowberry got to go eat lunch
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19:46 xenkey How do I raise the overheat threshold?
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19:51 xenkey https://sr.ht/d311.png why does this code overheat?
19:52 xenkey I'm sending it this https://sr.ht/1f3e.png
19:58 sloantothebone Hello
20:00 sloantothebone How do you specify things to be done client-side in lua?
20:01 Calinou you can't currently.
20:01 Sokomine er, in general you don't? mods run on the server. part of the menu system is also lua...that you can change locally. but i don't know if that's what you want (rather unlikely)
20:01 xenkey https://sr.ht/3d55.txt The time doesn't seem to be shown
20:02 xenkey https://sr.ht/aec3.png layout is like so
20:02 sloantothebone Well they should implement client side stuff. Then you could make boats less laggy and whatnot
20:02 Calinou they...
20:02 Calinou spooky they...
20:02 Sokomine probably. in general, boats work quite well
20:03 xenkey Anyone want to do some digiline with me?
20:03 Sokomine if you just want to get from a to b, a teleportation mod might be the best choice. else...some funny, slightly buggy handling is not so bad
20:03 Sokomine xenkey: sorry, never did much there and can't really help you
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20:03 xenkey Okay
20:03 xenkey I'm loving the mesecons though
20:04 xenkey First time using them and they're so straightforeward
20:05 Cryterion try out the digilines then
20:05 xenkey I'm using them
20:14 xenkey https://sr.ht/e51d.png
20:16 xenkey Oh god people can change the channel
20:21 xenkey Is there any way to avoid this?
20:30 Jordach sfan5, pls http://i.imgur.com/wkibe7s.gif
20:30 sfan5 Jordach: meow
20:31 Jordach sfan5 being a forum moderator http://i.imgur.com/v2TaP0J.gif
20:31 sfan5 lel
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20:36 xenkey sqrt(a^a) == a right?
20:38 xenkey https://sr.ht/2c4a.txt
20:38 xenkey Thoughts?
20:39 xenkey I could make a mod which gives players a factorisation puzzle
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20:52 xenkey https://sr.ht/e2b6.png
21:08 sfan5 xenkey: do you only want math majors on your server?
21:08 xenkey math majors
21:08 xenkey im sure 14 year olds can solve these
21:09 xenkey i did quadratics at 14
21:09 xenkey But I'll leave it at a really simple logic puzzle
21:11 sfan5 xenkey: is the value for sqrt in radians or degrees
21:11 sfan5 there are many ways to get that wrong
21:11 xenkey uh
21:11 sfan5 especially for younger players
21:11 xenkey sqrt(a^2) = a, it's quite obvious
21:12 TheWild sqrt(a^a) is actually abs(a)
21:12 xenkey a^2
21:12 sfan5 ohhh
21:12 sfan5 wait
21:12 sfan5 nvm
21:12 TheWild oops, right I meant a^2
21:13 sfan5 sqrt is not sin
21:13 xenkey lol
21:13 sfan5 but i still think math questions of this level are not suited to prevent bots
21:13 sfan5 or whatever you want to prevent
21:14 xenkey I want to prevent illiterate 8 year olds
21:14 xenkey Math and english go hand in hand usually
21:14 sfan5 but not square roots
21:15 xenkey But I think you'll agree it's extremely good for deterring griefers
21:15 xenkey And it's a concept I've not seen anywhere before
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21:42 Jordach !tell xenkey even better - have a puzzle that can't be googled or wolfram alpha'd
21:42 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when xenkey is around
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22:09 LinuxGuy2020 Is it possible to use world editor to save and import from one world to another? It looks like it has save/load features but I wasnt sure.
22:10 Sokomine LinuxGuy2020: the mod WorldEdit will help you
22:10 Sokomine you can also try to use my handle_schematics mod, but that's not finished yet
22:12 LinuxGuy2020 Sokomine: So Im correct in assuming thats what the save/load thing I saw was for?
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23:16 LinuxGuy2020 What mod do I need to protect areas that are already completed on a home server map? I just want to be able to mark them so no one can add/remove anything to those parts.
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23:38 LinuxGuy2020 What mod is needed to protect areas that are already built? Maybe there is a good one that allows change of ownership etc.
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