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00:21 tranquilliam Hi, does anyone have the default stone texture?
00:22 asl97 check the default game textures folder
00:22 tranquilliam Ah, thanks.
00:22 asl97 default mod*
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01:21 tranquilliam Does anyone know how to code a new machine in technic? Basically what I want is a machine that uses electricity to convert one thing into another.
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03:30 asl97 there is a memory leak in the NodeBoxEditor :(
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08:12 technomancy it looks like if you use player-level form callbacks, there's no way to get the position of the node that contained the form; is that correct?
08:13 fling Which modpack to use for minecraft-like game?
08:13 technomancy fling: I like Carbone the best, but it's definitely not a straight clone
08:14 fling technomancy: no, carbone is too different.
08:14 technomancy I know there are some modpacks of various levels of completion that try to do a strict clone, but I don't know which is the most polished.
08:14 fling technomancy: thanks for the info
08:15 technomancy de gustibus non est disputantum, &c
08:16 kahrl technomancy: http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding​_book/chapters/formspecs.html#contexts
08:17 technomancy kahrl: ooooh perfect; thanks
08:17 asl97 fling: modpack isn't really the thing you should look for, you should look for a game,  for example: minitest
08:17 asl97 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2589
08:18 technomancy kahrl: oh, huh. yeah I can't believe I didn't think of that. =)
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08:18 technomancy I guess as long as you can assume no other coroutine or handler runs in between minetest.show_formspec and the handler function this is safe
08:18 technomancy I'm used to writing code for a truly concurrent environment where that is extremely problematic
08:20 technomancy oh... actually yeah that won't work
08:20 kahrl it can still be problematic if there is a lot of lag, for example, yeah
08:20 technomancy code does run in between showing the formspec and the form callback being called
08:21 technomancy kahrl: not just lag; if you leave the form open for a long time and another player opens the same form on a different node
08:21 technomancy they'll overwrite your entry in the context table
08:22 kahrl it shouldn't if the index into the context table is the player name
08:22 technomancy oh, quite right
08:22 technomancy any given player can only open a single form at a time
08:22 technomancy I thought "name" here meant the form name
08:25 kahrl if lag turns out to be a problem you can use "hidden" formspec fields (usually done by adding pre-filled fields at out-of-bounds coordinates so they are invisible)
08:25 technomancy hah; I was just looking through the code for a "hidden" input type
08:25 technomancy I guess that's one way to do it
08:25 kahrl but be aware that any client could spoof these fields
08:25 technomancy sure; of course
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08:36 technomancy hm... looks like smartfs doesn't pass player info along into the click handlers; damn
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08:46 technomancy hm; the book is also pretty misleading about node meta formspecs
08:46 technomancy it says you don't get callbacks, but you get more detailed callbacks that way than with the one it recommends
08:47 technomancy is the source to the book available for pull requests?
08:47 technomancy guess I should wait for rubenwardy to sign on
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08:48 twoelk isn't it on github?
08:49 technomancy twoelk: oh yeah, I was expecting a link in the footer, but it's in the introduction
08:49 technomancy to the githubs!
08:52 technomancy hm, https://github.com/rubenwardy/m​inetest_modding_book/issues/17 seems to indicate the book is going away
08:53 twoelk well I did just recently added categories to the dev-wiki version
08:55 technomancy I wonder if I can just use smartfs to generate the formspec string without buying into its weird callback system
08:56 twoelk you may want to add to the book here -> http://dev.minetest.net/Category:Modding_Book
08:56 technomancy I was going to correct an inaccuracy on the formspec chapter
08:56 technomancy but it looks like it hasn't been ported over yet
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09:24 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Chocolate Pudding Day! 😃
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09:49 twoelk ChocolatePudding? rather - eat fish day - ;-P
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10:23 Calinou I'm pushing textures I made to GitHub
10:29 iqual Calinou: which textures?
10:29 Calinou https://github.com/Calinou/seamless-textures
10:29 Calinou (not up yet)
10:29 iqual btw is there some better way of vcs-ing binary data then just putting them in git?
10:29 iqual oh, hey, gotta test if minetest runs on this pc^^
10:30 iqual wish me luck
10:30 Calinou you can use git-lfs
10:30 Calinou (it's something developed by GitHub)
10:32 Calinou it's uploaded now
10:33 iqual eh
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11:50 iqual c_content.cpp:1229:1: Warnung: »virtual const c8* irr::scene::IBoneSceneNode::getBoneName() const« ist veraltet [-Wdeprecated-declarations]
11:50 iqual lots of these
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13:59 technomancy is there an inside joke behind the malformed letters in the minetest logo?
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14:00 technomancy trying to think of a reason why it hasn't been fixed
14:00 sfan5 what do you mean
14:00 est31 ^
14:01 technomancy it just looks like someone chopped off 70 pixels from the bottom or something
14:02 technomancy the bottom horizontal segments of the Es and the S are too small, like it got cropped by accident
14:02 sfan5 how about a screenshot
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14:03 technomancy http://www.distrogeeks.com/softw​are/open-source-games/minetest/
14:04 sfan5 looks fine to me
14:04 est31 technomancy, thats a font feature I guess
14:04 technomancy ok, so that's intentional?
14:04 est31 shrug
14:04 est31 dunno
14:05 est31 but I guess its ok
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14:51 CWz I wonder if it is possible to implement the minetest protocol in minecraft forge
14:51 CWz not that is worth doing or anything
14:52 CWz we defiantly don't need minecraft noobs here was well
14:52 sfan5 why would you do that
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15:10 Yellowberry Hi all.
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15:19 Yellowberry Hello RBA
15:33 technomancy anyone have an example of a formspec table containing regular fields?
15:33 technomancy can't seem to get anything to render just by working from the docs
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15:40 est31 regular fields?
15:44 technomancy just misunderstood what these containers are for... I need support for an arbitrary number of fields, but I realized I just need to make it happen with a bunch of string mangling
15:45 technomancy I will stop grumbling about formspecs now
15:45 technomancy I mean, for today
15:45 est31 hehe
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15:46 julienrat_ Hi all !
15:46 julienrat_ is there a way to run minetest on raspberrypi2 without lags
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15:47 julienrat_ i have tried different releases but its always lags
15:48 technomancy julienrat_: client, server, or both?
15:48 julienrat_ client
15:48 technomancy good question
15:48 technomancy I only have a pi1 =(
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16:04 technomancy sweet, got my DNS server semi-working
16:04 technomancy for diginet
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16:22 nolsen <nolsen> About to go live on twitch.tv/theu1timat3gamer/
16:23 nolsen I wonder what game should I do.
16:23 nolsen Minecraft, Minetest, or MLP CIM
16:23 nolsen Or Skyrim, or SP: The Stick of Truth
16:25 proller freeminer !
16:27 Yellowberry no.
16:27 Yellowberry Minetest
16:27 Krock minetest cla-  ehm - voxelands!
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16:32 Calinou nolsen, what does the C mean in MLP CIM?
16:33 est31 mlp has a game?
16:35 sfan5 why wouldn't it?
16:35 Calinou marine le pen
16:36 est31 I've thought he referred to my little pony
16:36 est31 and not that french right politician
16:38 Calinou was a joke :P
16:38 Calinou MLP means both Marine Le Pen and My Little Pony
16:39 Yellowberry Calinou: I assume nolsen was talking about My Little Pony: Containment is Magic, a mod for SCP: Containment Breach.
16:39 Yellowberry But I can't be sure
16:45 nolsen Yellowberry: Survey says..
16:45 nolsen YES
16:45 nolsen My Little Pony: Containment is Magic.
16:46 nolsen A game that makes me shit bricks
16:46 Yellowberry ou can actually run it without it shitting itself every 2 seconds?
16:46 Yellowberry *you
16:47 nolsen It was a figurement of speech
16:47 Yellowberry I know
16:47 Yellowberry all the games based off of SCB:CB are EXTREMELY unstable
16:47 Yellowberry they crash all the time
16:47 nolsen I'm live now
16:47 nolsen http://www.twitch.tv/theu1timat3gamer/
16:47 nolsen Minetest
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16:48 nolsen Shit, It's behind
16:49 nolsen 1Mbit/s
16:49 nolsen does anyone see lag?
16:50 nolsen I need to go wired, hold on
16:50 Calinou #YetAnotherSteamWatchedBy-1People
16:51 nolsen That happens to new channel
16:51 nolsen or channels that doesn't stream alot
16:51 nolsen I tried going a better area that has a better wireless connection.
16:52 nolsen Calinou: Perhaps twitch isn't popular anymore.
16:52 Calinou live streaming is probably a fad
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16:52 nolsen wtf
16:52 nolsen I'm getting 40Mbps download
16:52 nolsen but I'm getting 1Mbit bitstream
16:52 Calinou Rarity is stealing all your bandwidth!
16:52 nolsen 50Mbps download, 4Mbps upload.
16:53 Yellowberry lol
16:53 nolsen Why would the whore steal my bandwidth?
16:53 Yellowberry Who knows
16:55 nolsen Oh I see why, The bitrate was set to 1000
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16:56 nolsen does anyone see an improvement?
16:56 nolsen Video taking a bit to load
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16:56 nolsen I also have to use DirectX for minetest because it doesn't work with OpenGL :(
16:57 Yellowberry What software you using?
16:57 Calinou use Open Broadcaster Software
16:57 Calinou or SimpleScreenRecorder
16:57 Yellowberry exactly what I was about to say
16:57 Yellowberry OBS is the way to go
16:57 nolsen That is what I'm using
16:57 nolsen There is still lag.
16:57 nolsen ammit
16:58 nolsen Is 4000kb/s not enough?
16:58 nolsen My upload speed is only 4Mbps
16:58 est31 I guess you wont get it lag-free
16:58 Yellowberry What is your screen resolution?
16:58 est31 HLS isn't designed to be light speed
16:58 nolsen 1366x768
16:59 nolsen Well not everyone has a high upload speed
16:59 Calinou nolsen is an HPB, that's all
16:59 nolsen 4Mbps upload speed is the average upload speed.
16:59 nolsen Calinou: I'm a health promotion board?
17:00 Calinou high ping bastard
17:00 nolsen oh
17:00 nolsen Well nothing I can do about it.
17:00 nolsen I have a decent internet connection.
17:00 nolsen It's just twitch
17:01 nolsen Nobody has 10Mbps upload in the US
17:01 nolsen on residential
17:02 nolsen If only. charter stop sucking dick and increase the upload speed.
17:02 nolsen erm if only*
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17:03 Yellowberry get fiber
17:03 Yellowberry also, google has 1gbps
17:03 Calinou fiber is only in the US currently
17:03 Calinou (the Google Fiber)
17:03 Calinou also, it spies on you :-)
17:03 nolsen lol
17:04 nolsen Does it look like fiber is in TN?
17:04 nolsen Calinou: Don't be an idiot.
17:04 nolsen Yellowberry: Perhaps you should think before you say something.
17:04 est31 very very sad google took over the free wifi network for NYC
17:04 nolsen google is the best.
17:04 nolsen I love google.
17:05 nolsen There's only 2 ISP providers in my area.
17:05 nolsen Charter, and AT&T
17:05 Calinou internet service providers providers!
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17:06 nolsen There is another provider, but that isn't really better.
17:07 nolsen 50Mbps download, and 5Mbps upload.
17:07 nolsen Compared to mine, which is 60Mbps, and 4Mbps upload.
17:07 nolsen I won't have faster download.
17:07 Calinou I have ADSL here. 11 Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s up
17:07 nolsen So you're an HPB?
17:07 Calinou when I can get 4G, I get 30 Mb/s download...
17:07 Calinou latency != throughput :)
17:07 Calinou anyway, yeah, kind of, my best ping is 60 ms
17:08 nolsen Well I'm not an HPB
17:08 Calinou I rarely get < 50 ms
17:08 Calinou LPB is < 50 ms usually
17:08 Calinou (low ping bastard)
17:08 nolsen 46ms
17:08 nolsen the lower, the better right?
17:08 Calinou yes
17:08 est31 13.895 ms to google
17:08 Calinou ~45ms here
17:09 nolsen 265ms
17:09 nolsen not bad.
17:09 nolsen but I'm on wireless.
17:09 est31 at my university, I can even get 6 ms
17:10 nolsen I get bad internet in my room.
17:10 sfan5 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=5 ttl=48 time=16.3 ms
17:10 nolsen not even 30Mbps
17:10 sfan5 lol
17:10 sfan5 <nolsen> not even 30Mbps
17:10 sfan5 all i have is 11mbps
17:10 nolsen my ping is 38ms now
17:10 est31 --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---
17:10 est31 12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 11017ms
17:10 est31 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 13.884/15.588/20.978/1.942 ms
17:10 nolsen because I'm close to the router.
17:11 nolsen Switching to wired now
17:12 nolsen Ugh I think this wired cable is bad, hold on
17:14 nolsen 38ms ping to google
17:14 nolsen erm 35ms minimum ping
17:15 nolsen That's not a bad ping
17:16 Yellowberry I get 57ms average.
17:16 Krock Tried to send a ping to nolsen.. failed.
17:16 Yellowberry but then again, I am on wifi and listening to spotify
17:16 nolsen Krock: What IP?
17:16 nolsen You don't even know my IP
17:16 Yellowberry nolsen: You can ping through IRC
17:16 Krock nolsen, no idea. I used the command /ctcp <nick> ping
17:16 nolsen Oh
17:16 nolsen I blocked CTCPs
17:17 nolsen here
17:17 nolsen try now
17:17 CWz i to block ctcps
17:17 Krock - is in +g mode (server-side ignore.) (nolsen)
17:18 nolsen Try now
17:18 Krock - is in +g mode (server-side ignore.) (nolsen)
17:18 nolsen Try now
17:18 Krock oops
17:18 nolsen lol
17:18 Krock <CTCP-Pong:nolsen>796 ms
17:18 nolsen You have shitty internet
17:19 nolsen also, My client is bounced.
17:19 nolsen erm redirected
17:19 nolsen to a ZNC
17:19 Krock yea.. pinging myself returns 370ms
17:19 Krock but IRC doesn't need a faster ping
17:19 Krock even 1s is acceptable
17:22 nolsen Krock: You mean 1000ms?
17:22 Krock no, I mean 1000000 us
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17:23 nolsen <nolsen> Krock: You mean 1000ms?
17:23 nolsen <nolsen> 1ms is the best
17:23 nolsen <nolsen> 1000 is the worst
17:25 Krock The two under lines can't be quotes
17:26 Yellowberry I get 3600ms to this one Xonotic server
17:27 nolsen I'm probably a LPB
17:27 nolsen :D
17:27 nolsen All of you are HPB
17:28 Yellowberry Well, i'm on wifi
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17:31 nolsen I can't select Skyrim's window D:
17:31 nolsen for OBS
17:31 nolsen Maybe I need to window it
17:31 Yellowberry Are you using the new one or the old one?
17:32 nolsen what you mean?
17:32 Yellowberry They have 2 versions of OBS
17:32 nolsen have no clue
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17:33 Yellowberry the one that is windows only (the old one) or the one that is multi-platform (the new one)
17:33 Yellowberry go check your version number
17:35 nolsen v0.651b
17:35 Yellowberry irr is such a pain to work with
17:35 Yellowberry Ok, so you have the old version
17:35 nolsen Though I can't play skyrim because MY PS3 CONTROLLER IS DEAD
17:35 Yellowberry NUUUUUUUUUU
17:36 Yellowberry #wired
17:39 nolsen Found the charger :D
17:39 nolsen well usb cable
17:43 nolsen I actually have the latest for OBS
17:43 nolsen Multiplatform needs to be compiled for windows
17:48 nolsen Installing mirshia
17:48 * nolsen ** SysInfo ** Client: HexChat 2.10.2 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 ** CPU: AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics     (1.00 GHz) ** RAM: 3512 MB Total (1307 MB Free) ** VGA: AMD Radeon(TM) R3 Graphics ** Uptime: 23.09 Hours **
17:48 nolsen Hopefully they'll work on these decent specs.
17:49 Calinou lol Radeon R3
17:49 Calinou lol AMD A4
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17:52 Yellowberry Hey
17:52 Yellowberry I'm back
17:53 nolsen Calinou: lol typing
17:53 Yellowberry my computer's GPU killed itself
17:53 nolsen lol toaster
17:53 nolsen lol everything
17:53 * nolsen is being stupid as Calinou
17:53 Yellowberry mmm toast
17:53 nolsen Yellowberry: Check out my specs
17:53 * nolsen ** SysInfo ** Client: HexChat 2.10.2 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 ** CPU: AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics     (1.00 GHz) ** RAM: 3512 MB Total (1303 MB Free) ** VGA: AMD Radeon(TM) R3 Graphics ** Uptime: 23.16 Hours **
17:53 nolsen decent.
17:53 Yellowberry yeah, they are
17:54 nolsen Calinou is just being an idiot.
17:54 Yellowberry s/8.1/10 TP/
17:54 nolsen Not my computer
17:54 nolsen I want to get rid of windows
17:55 Yellowberry nolsen: What is your weapon of choice?
17:55 nolsen weapon?
17:55 Yellowberry I favor Arch Linux for it's flexibility.
17:56 nolsen lubuntu/ubuntu, debian
17:57 Yellowberry nolsen: https://xkcd.com/797/
17:58 nolsen www.twitch.tv/theu1timat3gamer
18:01 Yellowberry says your offline
18:01 Yellowberry nvm
18:02 nolsen fucking hell
18:02 nolsen capture the screen
18:04 nolsen It's repeating itself
18:04 Yellowberry It's black on my end
18:05 TheWild what an action on the tv
18:06 nolsen See something?
18:06 TheWild yup!
18:06 Yellowberry yeah, I see it too
18:06 TheWild right now, before there was a black screen
18:07 Yellowberry no mouse movements, however
18:08 nolsen Yellowberry: Now?
18:08 Yellowberry yep
18:09 nolsen My controller isn't working ._.
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18:11 Yellowberry nolsen: Let me know when you get it working
18:12 nolsen Working now
18:12 nolsen heh
18:13 nolsen game closed
18:13 nolsen game keeps crashing
18:14 Yellowberry It still says you are playing minetest :P
18:14 nolsen What the hell
18:14 nolsen keeps crashing
18:15 Yellowberry is unstable game
18:15 nolsen Maybe I can try south park the stick of truth
18:18 Yellowberry hey
18:18 Yellowberry nolsen: it's black
18:18 nolsen What about now?
18:18 Yellowberry good now
18:20 Yellowberry i died
18:20 Yellowberry *it
18:20 nolsen Game frozed ._.
18:20 nolsen I hate to logout
18:20 nolsen Because I couldn't escape
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18:21 nolsen s/hate/had
18:21 Yellowberry sucks
18:22 nolsen Yellowberry: What about now?
18:22 Yellowberry loading
18:24 Yellowberry I thought away nicks aren't allowed...
18:25 nolsen Game crashed...again
18:30 nolsen Yellowberry: Try now
18:30 nolsen Unturned I'm trying
18:30 Yellowberry loading
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18:39 nolsen Yellowberry: How is it now?
18:39 Yellowberry hold on, I closed it
18:40 nolsen Oh
18:40 nolsen nvm
18:40 nolsen I closed it
18:40 nolsen last game I haven't tried is Minetest
18:41 nolsen and Minecraft
18:48 nolsen Now streaming minetest.
18:49 nolsen twitch.tv/theu1timat3gamer/
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19:06 nolsen Actually, It's MLF CIM, not MLP CIM
19:06 nolsen My Little Foundation: Containment is Magic
19:09 nolsen I think I should do a Let Plays with voice
19:10 nolsen Because I just screamed 10 seconds ag.
19:10 nolsen ago*
19:10 nolsen Fucking hell, Pinkie.
19:14 Krock http://eelslap.com/
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20:04 oOChainLynxOo Wow, a lot's happened since last I've been here
20:12 oOChainLynxOo Is the forum down?
20:12 oOChainLynxOo I'm getting an error DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
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20:12 est31 works for me
20:12 oOChainLynxOo Must be my end then
20:13 oOChainLynxOo Huh
20:13 oOChainLynxOo Works fine now
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20:50 nolsen I love Google Chrome metro :3
20:51 nolsen metro style*
20:51 nolsen erm Windows 8 style.
20:51 nolsen It feels like Chrome OS.
20:51 nolsen If I had the money, I would get me a chromebook :3
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21:21 est31 I guess you can install chrome os already now
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21:24 H-H-H hey does anyone remember a mod that made it so raw food spoilt if it was not put in a fridge
21:24 H-H-H iirc it worked withe the friges in the homedecor mod
21:47 oOChainLynxOo Sokomine
21:47 oOChainLynxOo :D
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22:31 wlan2 #minetest-es is kind of deserted.
22:35 wlan2 When I copy text from gnome-terminal and try to yank it into minetest, gnome-terminal just silently dies.
22:37 wlan2 Also, is there a way for the numopad to behave as a numpad in minetest instead of as arrow keys? it is kind of annoying to copy a world seed by hand WITHOUT being able to use the numpad for it.
22:39 est31 both are irrlicht bugs
22:40 est31 jasper wanted to fork it
22:40 est31 both bugs are known though
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22:47 FreeFull At one point someone started rewriting Minetest in Java, but I don't think that project is alive now
22:47 wlan2 In the wiki main page, the freenode webchat link for the spanish channel is incorrect, lacks one character.
22:48 wlan2 It links to ~minetest-es instead of ##minetest-es
22:49 wlan2 Wait, minetest in Java? I don't think Lua scripts are very fast inside a jvm.
22:53 wlan2 I mean, Lua interpreting written in Java... I don't think that could be  even kind of fast.
22:57 wlan2 I wonder how far did such project go...
23:08 wlan2 About yanking, irrlicht has a bug listing something similar as fixed on 2014
23:16 est31 wlan2, then you perhaps should use and compile irrlicht 1.9
23:19 wlan2 Or perhaps it should be added to debian stable.
23:20 wlan2 I mean, debian testing (sorry look I am not thinking straight)
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23:21 Qkek Hello ;^ )
23:24 wlan2 But it's not even in unstable, and I suppose it must be for some reason. I am not really in the mood to test something that is not on unstable yet.
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23:27 alket is there something like maze generator, just curious
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23:50 luizrpgluiz hi :)
23:58 wlan2 I read "NFC mod" instead of "NPC mod" about 14 minutes ago.

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