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asl97 |
does water block the minetest.line_of_sight? |
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| 01:42 |
John |
Can I ask a question? Is Minetest fully legal? |
| 01:43 |
Guest33901 |
Can I ask a question? Is Minetest fully legal? |
| 01:43 |
VanessaE |
100%. |
| 01:43 |
VanessaE |
it's an open source project that does not use any code or resources from Minecraft, and the look/feel of Minecraft (i.e. the voxel sandbox) isn't copyrightable. |
| 01:44 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Minetest is 99.9% legal. |
| 01:44 |
Guest33901 |
That's what I thought. |
| 01:44 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
and kills 99.9% bacteria |
| 01:44 |
Guest33901 |
I teach for a programming camp and I wanted to use this to allow kids learning C++ to get further experience. |
| 01:44 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: Does it matter if it uses Minetest code? |
| 01:44 |
Guest33901 |
And the guy is like "It poses legal issues." I'm just like... no... |
| 01:44 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
erm |
| 01:44 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Minecraft, |
| 01:44 |
VanessaE |
Guest33901: well they'll go insane if you do that ;) |
| 01:44 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: Does it matter if it uses minecraft code? |
| 01:44 |
Guest33901 |
What do you mean? |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
U1timat3Tr0113r: of course it matters, because then it would be a copyright issue at the very leasy. |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
least* |
| 01:45 |
Guest33901 |
It's rewritten in C++, so it's rather different, still. |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
Guest33901: minetest's codebase gets a lot of negative comments from people is all : |
| 01:45 |
Guest33901 |
Even if they were to directly copy it and convert. |
| 01:45 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Who cares, It's migraine$oft. |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 01:45 |
Guest33901 |
How come? |
| 01:45 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
This is Migraine$oft we are talking about.. |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
it's not rewritten - it's written from scratch |
| 01:45 |
Guest33901 |
Yes, well, you understand what I mean. |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
but anyway sure, you should be perfectly safe doing that. |
| 01:45 |
Guest33901 |
Why does Minetest's codebase get a lot of negative comments? |
| 01:46 |
Guest33901 |
What is so bad about it compared to say... Bukkit? |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
because a lot of people consider it to be poorly written is all |
| 01:46 |
Guest33901 |
But it is functional and understandable nonetheless, yes? |
| 01:46 |
asl97 |
minetest is developed by a random bunch of lunatics. |
| 01:46 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Migraine$oft, The greedy company that gives you a headache, but don't worry. |
| 01:46 |
Guest33901 |
Minecraft is "poorly written" as well, some would say. |
| 01:46 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Headon, apply directly to the forehead. |
| 01:46 |
asl97 |
quoted from the site itself |
| 01:47 |
technomancy |
Guest33901: minetest embeds lua and you're thinking of teaching C++?? |
| 01:47 |
Guest33901 |
I already teach C++. |
| 01:47 |
Guest33901 |
It's my understanding that, like Bukkit, Minetest features an API. |
| 01:47 |
technomancy |
=( |
| 01:48 |
asl97 |
the api is in lua |
| 01:48 |
Guest33901 |
Ah. |
| 01:48 |
Guest33901 |
Well that's shit. :P |
| 01:48 |
est31 |
it has a non-lua "API" too |
| 01:48 |
* U1timat3Tr0113r |
wishes the fucking internet work |
| 01:48 |
technomancy |
no, it'd be shit to write mods in C++ |
| 01:48 |
est31 |
but its not used |
| 01:48 |
Guest33901 |
I mean, I know Lua, but my students don't. XD |
| 01:48 |
asl97 |
iirc, the oldish c++ api is gone |
| 01:48 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Charter Communications is the worst ISP there is. |
| 01:48 |
Guest33901 |
Wrong! :P |
| 01:48 |
Guest33901 |
Charter is great. |
| 01:48 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Guest33901: lol |
| 01:48 |
technomancy |
they'll have an easier time learning lua from scratch than wasting time with C++ errors |
| 01:48 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I'm getting not even 1mbps internet. |
| 01:48 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
because they are having problems. |
| 01:49 |
VanessaE |
U1timat3Tr0113r: it's slow for me today too |
| 01:49 |
asl97 |
doesn't the minetest classic still use the c++ api? |
| 01:49 |
Guest33901 |
Why do you say it would be so bad to write mods in C++? :) |
| 01:49 |
est31 |
minetest classic? |
| 01:49 |
VanessaE |
I can barely sustain 3 Mbps today. |
| 01:49 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I cannot watch Bill Gates suck dick. |
| 01:49 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
jk |
| 01:49 |
asl97 |
it got rename to something else iirc, don't rememeber the name |
| 01:49 |
Guest33901 |
Honestly, I know. They struggle with C++ errors so much. |
| 01:49 |
est31 |
Guest33901, lua is a better choice as scripting language because its easier to learn |
| 01:50 |
Guest33901 |
Yes, I know. I learned Lua for RainMeter. |
| 01:50 |
technomancy |
Guest33901: I was really into programming when I was a kid, then someone convinced me I needed to learn C++, and it took half a decade for my interest in programming to recover. |
| 01:50 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: You live in TN? |
| 01:50 |
Guest33901 |
I agree with you on that, I despise C++. |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
U1timat3Tr0113r: NC. |
| 01:50 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Or KY |
| 01:50 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I wonder what's your space. |
| 01:50 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
speed |
| 01:50 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
speed* |
| 01:50 |
Guest33901 |
There's so many problems with the language. |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
60 Mbps normally. |
| 01:51 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: What is it now? |
| 01:51 |
Guest33901 |
All people talk about is it's efficiency, cause that's all it's got. |
| 01:51 |
technomancy |
Guest33901: I'm actually teaching my own kids some programming, some with Racket and some with Lua in Minetest mods. |
| 01:51 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I don't really get 60Mbps, espeasilly with Wi-Fi |
| 01:51 |
technomancy |
Racket is much better-designed than Lua, but you can't beat the stickiness factor of being inside a game. =) |
| 01:51 |
asl97 |
est31: http://voxelands.com/ |
| 01:51 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
My router sucks. |
| 01:51 |
VanessaE |
U1timat3Tr0113r: barely sustaining about 1.5 Mbps on a software download; some speed tests go as high as 10, most are sticking in the 3-4 range |
| 01:51 |
est31 |
asl97, what about it? |
| 01:52 |
asl97 |
[09:49:14] <est31> minetest classic? |
| 01:52 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: I'm not even getting 0.7Mbps on download, but the strangest thing is I'm getting 4 fucking Mbps upload! |
| 01:52 |
technomancy |
and lua is a bit easier to learn at the outset; it just makes it easier to make silly mistakes that can be comparatively difficult to debug. |
| 01:52 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
This time, Upload is faster.... |
| 01:52 |
Guest33901 |
Other than personal opinions about C++ being bad to code mods in, you don't think there would be anything wrong with teaching them how to do so, do you? |
| 01:52 |
VanessaE |
U1timat3Tr0113r: yeah, that happened on one of the speed tests I did earlier too |
| 01:52 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Charter is the worst. |
| 01:52 |
est31 |
asl97, thats voxelands, not minetest classic |
| 01:52 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Worser than comcast. |
| 01:52 |
technomancy |
Guest33901: teaching by writing mods is a great way to teach IMO |
| 01:52 |
Guest33901 |
Worser* |
| 01:52 |
Guest33901 |
You just destroyed your arguement. :P |
| 01:53 |
Guest33901 |
Yeah, precisely, Techno. |
| 01:53 |
Guest33901 |
That's exactly why I want to get them into it. |
| 01:53 |
asl97 |
it was call minetest classic iirc |
| 01:53 |
est31 |
lol worser |
| 01:53 |
Guest33901 |
It has instant visual feedback, and allows for so much creativity. |
| 01:53 |
est31 |
asl97, yes it was |
| 01:53 |
est31 |
has been * |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
U1timat3Tr0113r: it's as if we're being throttled or something |
| 01:53 |
technomancy |
Guest33901: the best way to teach would be to use in-game programming, but my understanding is that's impractical with the current game engine =( |
| 01:53 |
Guest33901 |
My speeds are fine in Missouri. |
| 01:53 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: I wonder when will they give us IPv6 and a better upload speeds. |
| 01:53 |
technomancy |
due to limitations in formspecs |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
meh |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
never. |
| 01:53 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I want to run servers for efficently! |
| 01:53 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
s/for/more |
| 01:54 |
technomancy |
Guest33901: I've written some on the subject here if you're interested https://github.com/technomancy/calandria#philosophy |
| 01:54 |
est31 |
if its efficience you desire, try freeminer |
| 01:54 |
est31 |
if its stability, try minetest |
| 01:54 |
asl97 |
est31: so it was minetest classic |
| 01:54 |
Guest33901 |
So do you think I should go ahead and teach them the C++ API for Minetest? |
| 01:54 |
Guest33901 |
Or do you have any other game recommendations for modding in C++? |
| 01:55 |
Guest33901 |
Cause I honestly can't think of anything as open and easy for them off the top of my head. |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
Guest33901: go ahead and teach them |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
modding in minetest is Lua though |
| 01:55 |
Guest33901 |
You said there's an old C++ API though, correct? |
| 01:55 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I given up programming. |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 01:55 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I suck at programming. |
| 01:55 |
asl97 |
U1timat3Tr0113r: i said it was long gone |
| 01:55 |
asl97 |
oops |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
there's no C++ modding API right now |
| 01:55 |
est31 |
yup |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
there might be in the future, who knows, |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
but it's a Lua API for now |
| 01:56 |
asl97 |
stupid moving wall of text make me miss click :( |
| 01:56 |
Guest33901 |
Damn, so no way of getting C++ API. |
| 01:56 |
Guest33901 |
Cause that defeats the purpose. |
| 01:56 |
VanessaE |
not yet. |
| 01:56 |
est31 |
Guest33901, I've looked it up and the cpp api is gone |
| 01:56 |
VanessaE |
unless you wanna teach engine coding |
| 01:56 |
est31 |
with the only trace being the directory name called "cpp_api" |
| 01:56 |
asl97 |
Guest33901: it is still in minetest classic iirc |
| 01:56 |
est31 |
but it doesnt contain any api code except lua api |
| 01:56 |
Guest33901 |
Any other recommendations for them to code mods in, then? |
| 01:57 |
Guest33901 |
as197: Do you have a link? |
| 01:57 |
technomancy |
as much as it kills me to say it, computercraft actually has a much more polished in-game coding experience |
| 01:57 |
est31 |
http://voxelands.com |
| 01:57 |
technomancy |
since they don't have to work around formspec suckage |
| 01:57 |
asl97 |
i posted it not that long ago :| |
| 01:57 |
technomancy |
but their licensing is rubbish |
| 01:58 |
est31 |
technomancy, if you want, code the formspecs successor |
| 01:58 |
technomancy |
est31: I want to... I want to so hard. |
| 01:58 |
technomancy |
I just don't want to learn C++ |
| 01:59 |
est31 |
ha lol |
| 02:00 |
technomancy |
it's a life goal of mine to make it through without learning C++ |
| 02:00 |
technomancy |
(also autotools but that's not really relevant here) |
| 02:00 |
est31 |
ok I agree autotools are quite shit |
| 02:10 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I give up trying to watch a video. |
| 02:10 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Fucking charter. |
| 02:10 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
TIL what Dial-up is actually like. |
| 02:11 |
asl97 |
if it's a youtube video, i just download them using youtube-dl before watching them if/when my internet sucks |
| 02:11 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
What if it's not youtube |
| 02:11 |
asl97 |
youtube-dl support lots of other site too |
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U1timat3Tr0113r |
Meh, I'll wait till Charter stop sucking dick and fucking fix it. |
| 02:18 |
asl97 |
i tried writing a collision point function and it works most of the time, but sometimes it glitch and the entity get place too deep in the node :| |
| 02:21 |
asl97 |
wtf...... it doesn't detect non full node, i blame minetest.line_of_sight |
| 03:12 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Cmon, pls give me 1Mbps. |
| 03:12 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
dammit. |
| 03:13 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I'm not even getting 0.35Mbps |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
jeez |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
and I thought the ~1.5 Mbps we're getting is slow |
| 03:16 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Heh I was around 0.32 - 0.30Mbps, then it stopped. |
| 03:16 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
It didn't finish the speedtest. |
| 03:16 |
VanessaE |
ouch |
| 03:16 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: Though also you need to add the slowness from Wi-Fi with it. |
| 03:16 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
But I doubt switching to wired will make a difference. |
| 03:16 |
VanessaE |
thankfully no wifi to worry about in my case |
| 03:17 |
* U1timat3Tr0113r |
wishes he could use wired anywhere. |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
not that it'll have any impact if you can't even pull 1 Mbps |
| 03:17 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I would use wired, but I don't want to run a ethernet cable across the stairs. |
| 03:18 |
VanessaE |
run it under them, then :) |
| 03:18 |
* U1timat3Tr0113r |
attempts to use a short and shitty cable and does a speed test. |
| 03:19 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: Sometimes, when it prepares to test download speed, It gets stuck on "Connecting". |
| 03:19 |
VanessaE |
ditto |
| 03:20 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Now I felt what Dial-up is really is. |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
no you haven't :) |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
dialup is 1/10 as fast as what you're getting now |
| 03:20 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Download speed: 0.15Mbps |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
dial-up is slower :) |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
max speed of a dialup connection is 56 kbps. |
| 03:20 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
It's strange that my upload speed is 3.13Mbps |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
more commonly 38.4 kbps |
| 03:21 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Then what speed is 0.15Mbps? |
| 03:21 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
It can't be broadband |
| 03:21 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Usually people don't survive with that speed in today's world. |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
that's roughly ISDN speed :P |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
(just a hair faster than) |
| 03:22 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Usually people probably find themselves at the end of a rope because of the slowness. |
| 03:22 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
jk |
| 03:22 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Old dial-up joke. |
| 03:23 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: When did your internet became crappy? |
| 03:24 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I'm wondering if all of charter is affected. |
| 03:24 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Or just TN and nearby states. |
| 03:25 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Wow it gotten quiet in here. |
| 03:25 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
lol |
| 03:26 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: Gotta love when Speedtest knows your ISP, but says at the end of the speedtest "Are you on undefined?" |
| 03:26 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Yes, I am on undefined. |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
it got crappy today |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
yesterday, I was pulling 7 Mbytes/sec downloading updates and such |
| 03:27 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: I don't even get my package speed here and there. |
| 03:27 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
And their customer support is horrible. |
| 03:28 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Treat us like we're stupid. |
| 03:29 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
They wanted us to get their "Spectrum Modem" and get rid of our http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-SB6120-SURFboard-eXtreme-Broadband/dp/B001UI2FPE |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
I just have the modem they issued us |
| 03:32 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
One does not simply approve charter. |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
I dunno |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
they've always been good to us. |
| 03:33 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Its ISP, are guarded more than just orcs |
| 03:33 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Their is an evil there, that does not simply. |
| 03:33 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
sleep* |
| 03:33 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
The great eye. |
| 03:33 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
jk |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
who the fuck are they, Sauran? :) |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
Sauron* |
| 03:34 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Atleast someone knows the reference :D |
| 03:34 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Yet I never seen LOTR |
| 03:34 |
est31 |
or read? |
| 03:34 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I don't read. |
| 03:34 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Reading isn't my things. |
| 03:34 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Reading isn't my thing* |
| 03:35 |
est31 |
and what are you doing right now? |
| 03:35 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I perfer movies over books. |
| 03:35 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
est31: It's not what I meant. |
| 03:35 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
I can read, but I perfer movies, over books. |
| 03:36 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
It's what I perfer. |
| 03:38 |
est31 |
<U1timat3Tr0113r> est31: It's not what I meant. <<<------- jk lol |
| 03:39 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
We are the NSA, Lower your firewalls, and prepared to be probed, your files and information will adapt to service us, resistance is futile. |
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U1timat3Tr0113r |
VanessaE: I can't even look up the cheat stuff for skyrim |
| 04:17 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
nvm |
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U1timat3Tr0113r |
And there goes my internet...blazing fast now. |
| 05:23 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
well...or so I thought. |
| 05:23 |
U1timat3Tr0113r |
Atleast now I'm getting more than 1Mbps |
| 05:24 |
* asl97 |
is feeling very unmotivated |
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VanessaE |
U1timat3Tr0113r: my connection sped up also |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
speedtest.net puts me back at a solid 65 Mbps down, 4 up. |
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technomancy |
when you run cmake and it successfully finds luajit, it will say so in the output, right? |
| 06:33 |
est31 |
yes |
| 06:33 |
est31 |
dunno however whether you have to remove cache and so on |
| 06:33 |
technomancy |
does `make clean` remove the cache? |
| 06:34 |
est31 |
no |
| 06:34 |
est31 |
it removes object files |
| 06:34 |
est31 |
but no cmake stuff |
| 06:34 |
technomancy |
ok, what's the secret to luajit then? |
| 06:34 |
technomancy |
related: can this please be added to the readme? |
| 06:35 |
technomancy |
not a big fan of "oh you specified a bunch of options, but we're going to just ignore them silently" |
| 06:35 |
est31 |
if you are specifying options, they work |
| 06:35 |
est31 |
but if youre just waiting for detection, then good luck |
| 06:35 |
est31 |
usually it does the detection stuff only once |
| 06:35 |
est31 |
for speed reasons |
| 06:36 |
technomancy |
I removed CMakeCache.txt, and it's still ignoring -DENABLE_LUAJIT=1 |
| 06:36 |
est31 |
can you paste the cmake output? |
| 06:37 |
technomancy |
sure, here ya go: http://p.hagelb.org/luajit-attempt.txt.html |
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technomancy |
same output whether I point LUA_LIBRARY at libluajit.a or libluajit.so |
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technomancy |
the documentation doesn't explain the difference |
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est31 |
you dont know the difference between .a and .so? |
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est31 |
.a is static linking, .so is dynamic linking |
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technomancy |
ok, so either one will work? cool. |
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est31 |
yes |
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est31 |
but .a will stop working once you update luajit binary |
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technomancy |
so what's the trick to actually enabling luajit? |
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asl97 |
technomancy: it should already be enable if you compile it in already |
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asl97 |
you can check it using minetest --server --version |
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technomancy |
asl97: I am trying to compile it in, but it's ignoring what I tell it |
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technomancy |
http://p.hagelb.org/luajit-attempt.txt.html fwiw |
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asl97 |
just try to build it and check if it's enable |
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asl97 |
if not, you could always do a git reset and clean |
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technomancy |
asl97: est31 told me that if cmake output didn't mention luajit that it wouldn't be enabled |
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technomancy |
but I don't have anything else to try, so heck |
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asl97 |
it didn't output anything about lua ether so there must be a flag set already |
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asl97 |
hmmm... did the output for lua get remove from cmake? |
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est31 |
technomancy, usually it does output stuff https://travis-ci.org/minetest/minetest/jobs/68080200 |
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est31 |
like here "LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua." |
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technomancy |
asl97: that seems like the most likely possibility; otherwise it's just silently ignoring explicit declarations, which is just uuuuuuugh |
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technomancy |
est31: in my case it doesn't mention it either way |
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est31 |
technomancy, if it is silent, thats a good sign |
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asl97 |
i was talking about the system lua |
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technomancy |
huh, ok. |
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technomancy |
compile finished |
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est31 |
technomancy, what does grep CMakeCache.txt LUA say? |
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technomancy |
so if bin/minetest --server --version mentions USE_LUAJIT=1 then it succeeded? |
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est31 |
or other way round |
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asl97 |
technomancy: should be |
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est31 |
yes technomancy usually yes |
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est31 |
you can do the ultimate test |
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est31 |
and check the execution environment |
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technomancy |
ok cool; so it's just that the cmake output must have changed since last time I tried it |
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technomancy |
thanks |
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est31 |
technomancy, just check if one of these is present http://luajit.org/extensions.html |
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technomancy |
oh man; luajit has bitwise ops! |
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technomancy |
that's cool |
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technomancy |
confirmed bitwise ops are present, sweet |
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est31 |
hrmm, seems that atom is the new "build your ide" tool |
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est31 |
first github (with atom itself), then microsoft, now facebook |
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crazyR |
est31 atom is great apart from the amount of mem its uses. |
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crazyR |
possibly just memory leaks though |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Global Beatles Day! 😃 |
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technomancy |
how frowned-upon is it to code mods that require luajit? |
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est31 |
you shouldnt do it |
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est31 |
and if you do it for the speedup, add a non-jit fallback |
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technomancy |
I'm thinking of the bitop stuff |
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est31 |
yea bitop is mostly sugar |
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technomancy |
oh, that's been ported to 5.1 as an external lib it looks like? |
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technomancy |
how common is it for mods to require 3rd-party lua libs? |
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est31 |
very uncommon |
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est31 |
they do it only if they need stuff |
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est31 |
eg luasocket |
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technomancy |
it blew my mind to read that lua got all the way to version 5.1 without bothering to implement bit operations |
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technomancy |
oh wow, you can catch C++ exceptions with luajit |
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technomancy |
hopefully not relevant for minetest, but a very impressive feature |
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technomancy |
oh man |
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technomancy |
luajit supports metatables for iterators, but you have to compile it in |
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technomancy |
I have some really awful code that works around that in 5.1 |
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technomancy |
grrr |
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technomancy |
(another facepalm for "how did it take so long for this to be added") |
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est31 |
we dont update to 5.2 until luajit supports it fully |
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technomancy |
do you know if that's in their roadmap? |
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est31 |
also perhaps it never gets updated because lua broke some features AFAIK |
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technomancy |
the sandboxing stuff is incompatible, yeah |
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technomancy |
__ENV |
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technomancy |
but the 5.1 version of that is tacky as hell |
| 09:45 |
est31 |
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7573588/variable-number-of-function-arguments-lua-5-1 |
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est31 |
oh sorry |
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technomancy |
est31: you get a warning for that at least though |
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est31 |
that doesnt even mention 5.2 |
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est31 |
? |
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technomancy |
huh... IIRC arg is a 5.0 feature that works in 5.1 but it yells at you. maybe the question author is working with warnings-as-errors or something |
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technomancy |
looks like as of 2013 there were no plans to introduce full 5.2 compatibility |
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est31 |
so it seems we are stuck |
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RealBadAngel |
luajit has bitwise library |
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RealBadAngel |
so what for 5.2 is needed? |
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est31 |
more than that I guess |
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est31 |
the luajit dev knows lua better than me I suppose |
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technomancy |
RealBadAngel: personally I want 5.2 because it supports using iterators from metatables |
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technomancy |
the sandboxing implementation is much nicer than 5.1 too, but the ugliness for that isn't nearly as widespread |
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technomancy |
the metatable fixes in 5.2 are available in luajit, but only if you compile with a compatibility flag |
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technomancy |
so luajit has this weird version 5.1½ that you can target |
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technomancy |
essentially |
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est31 |
yea I know |
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technomancy |
does minetest support non-jit lua specifically because it's more portable? |
| 10:09 |
est31 |
more portable, and more debug-able |
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est31 |
valgrind just refuses to work with luajit |
| 10:09 |
est31 |
this is known, and luajit doesnt care |
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est31 |
and perhaps other reasons too |
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technomancy |
right; I guess that's the price of performance; it's going to do clever things that interfere with analysis |
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technomancy |
good to know |
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technomancy |
woo; got my server nodes capable of reprogramming luacontrollers |
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nore |
^ interesting :) |
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nore |
with that + technic frames it could even be possible to make a self-reproducing machine I think :) |
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technomancy |
I really need to get around to checking out technic |
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technomancy |
hoping to cut a release of my mod soon |
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technomancy |
I just don't have a good way to edit code on the server |
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technomancy |
and I don't think I'm going to be able to make one =\ |
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technomancy |
so I'll have to settle for a lame way to edit code; better than nothing |
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Taoki |
nore: Hi! Have a bit more time to help me take a look at that code from last night, please? On it again for the last half an hour, and can't make any progress still. |
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Taoki |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12659&p=182723#p182730 Describes the two problems it still has |
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* nore |
looks |
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nore |
what do you get when you are on the left & right sides of the mob? |
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Taoki |
nore: The value increases and decreases equally on both sides, which is wanted behavior |
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nore |
but you get 90 in front?? |
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Taoki |
The problem is that being in front of and behind the mob produce the same output, so I can't tell between the two. Also pitch doesn't work. |
| 13:17 |
Taoki |
Yes |
| 13:17 |
Taoki |
Which is why last night I did 90 - result |
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nore |
but you said it increased & decreased equally on sides |
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Taoki |
That would output -10* on one side and +10* on another, whereas without it I'd get 80* on one and 100* on the other (90* in the center) |
| 13:18 |
Taoki |
Yes, that part works fine |
| 13:18 |
Taoki |
It increases / decreases aroung 90* which is weird, but it does so proportionally and accordingly to the cone. |
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nore |
ah, 80 on left side and 100 on right one? |
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Taoki |
Yes |
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TeTpaAka |
The angle doesn't respect whether your target is right or left. |
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nore |
then we have a rotation problem |
| 13:19 |
TeTpaAka |
It should returnt the same angle for both sides. |
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TeTpaAka |
-t |
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nore |
you should change again x -> z and z -> -x |
| 13:19 |
Taoki |
Which is why I had 90 - result. But that's not the problem... problem is pitch and difference between frontt and back |
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Taoki |
I tried to flip x and z too. But then the cone is centered around the sides. |
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nore |
wait, what? |
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Taoki |
Going back and forth parallel to the mob increases / decreases the angle, which means the central line of the cone isn't around the front any more |
| 13:20 |
Taoki |
If I flip x and z |
| 13:21 |
Taoki |
And going back and forth across the side of the mob doesn't increase the angle, which means the cone is centered there |
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nore |
^ that's because there is the pitch that changed that |
| 13:21 |
Taoki |
But pitch is 0, and I'm standing at the same height as the mob |
| 13:21 |
Taoki |
So walking back and forth parallel to its face should not change the value. |
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nore |
your position is the one of the foot |
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nore |
perhaps the first thing to do to test that would be to disable pitch completely |
| 13:22 |
Taoki |
I think I did that last night, same issue. Pitch is however 0 right now, so I am testing without pitch |
| 13:22 |
Taoki |
math.cos(0) reports 1, so I just multiply with 1 |
| 13:22 |
Taoki |
Therefore this is the result without pitch |
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nore |
that means: instead of passing vector.subtract(pos2, pos1) as arg, do local v = vector.subtract(pos2, pos1); v.y = 0 and then use v |
| 13:23 |
Taoki |
Ah, that might be a bit different. Ok, will try it |
| 13:24 |
Taoki |
Result appears to be unchanged from the existing formula. I will try flipping x and z not |
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Taoki |
Woah... now it actually works fine! |
| 13:26 |
Taoki |
Yes, that fixes the front / back issue |
| 13:26 |
Taoki |
I get 0 in front of the mob, 90 on sides, 180 behind. Walking back and forth parallel to the mob (in any direction) doesn't change the value, which is the normal behavior |
| 13:26 |
Taoki |
Thank you! So now pitch is the only thing left to solve... why was it breaking the formula that way? |
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TeTpaAka |
Good. ;-) |
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Taoki |
It looks like y isn't being calculated properly |
| 13:27 |
nore |
remember that player head is 1.5 nodes above its position |
| 13:27 |
nore |
your mod may have an offset with y too |
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TeTpaAka |
And, if I remember correctly, your mobs are offset because of the collisionbox bug. |
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Taoki |
Ahhh... actually there's still a problem: If the mob faces 90* from what I just tested, standing in front of it now produces 180* |
| 13:28 |
Taoki |
I should perhaps do -x again in yaw2vec. Which is the reason why I did it in the first place |
| 13:28 |
Taoki |
That sign problem |
| 13:29 |
Taoki |
Yep... using -yaw for x solves that |
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Taoki |
So pitch is the last thing... |
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Taoki |
Ok: I commented out the v.y = 0 line. Surprisingly, the result is unchanged: Walking parallel to the mob in any direction at ground level doesn't change the value, which is wanted behavior and means horizontal agle is calculated perfectly. However, flying up or down does nothing at all. |
| 13:32 |
Taoki |
Flying up and down while not moving vertically at all |
| 13:32 |
Taoki |
So the virtual cone doesn't seem to have or account the vertical component. |
| 13:33 |
TeTpaAka |
It should treat all axes equally. |
| 13:33 |
Taoki |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xDjXkAAU This is what I have now. |
| 13:34 |
Taoki |
And tes, the -yaw is necessary, otherwise the angle is inverted if the mob faces the other way aroun |
| 13:34 |
Taoki |
**around |
| 13:34 |
Taoki |
But it's not related to this issue most likely |
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Taoki |
The way I can tell it's not working is: Moving horizontally toward or away from the mob while parallel to it in any axis doesn't change the output, which is good and which should remain this way (we have the same height). However, flying up or down while staying pergectly still horizontally does not change the value in any way, which means height isn't being calculated additionally. |
| 13:39 |
Taoki |
This happens in any axis: If I stand in front of the mob, behind it, right of it, or left of it, flying up and down doesn't change the value in the slightest. |
| 13:40 |
Taoki |
TeTpaAka, nore: Any thoughts please? Once that's fixed it should all be good at last :) |
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TeTpaAka |
can you print the v vector and tell us, what the y component is? |
| 13:40 |
Taoki |
Sure, hold on |
| 13:42 |
Taoki |
Aha. When staying perfectly still, y = -1.0100002288818 I thought the player and mob have the same height... my mistake. |
| 13:42 |
Taoki |
In any case, moving vertically should change the value, so something is still wrong |
| 13:42 |
Taoki |
Staying still as in, both me and mob sitting at ground level |
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TeTpaAka |
Does y change when you fly up? |
| 13:43 |
nore |
is the value 90 deg? |
| 13:43 |
Taoki |
Yes. Flew up by about 1 or 2 nodes, now it's y = 0.6870002746582, |
| 13:43 |
Taoki |
nore: Not I get 0* in front, 90* on sides, 180* in back. The only problem is that vertical position plays no role |
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nore |
hm... |
| 13:44 |
Taoki |
**Now |
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Taoki |
I'm sorry for my bad typing :( |
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nore |
and if you fly very high up, does the value get closer to 90? |
| 13:45 |
Taoki |
nore: The value doesn't change no matter what height I'm at. |
| 13:45 |
nore |
and the v.y = 0 line is commented, you're sure??? |
| 13:45 |
Taoki |
Wait... actually it does. But only if I'm not parallel to the mob... like right in front of it |
| 13:45 |
Taoki |
I must be positioned diagonally to it |
| 13:46 |
Taoki |
Then, flying up or down changes the angle considerable |
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nore |
and when you're on the side? |
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Taoki |
But the FOV is always a cone, so it should do this at any horizontal position |
| 13:46 |
Taoki |
No, not then |
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nore |
and not in front either |
| 13:46 |
Taoki |
Basically not if I'm parallel to the mob. Either on the sides, either front or back |
| 13:46 |
Taoki |
Nope |
| 13:46 |
Taoki |
That's the weird part |
| 13:46 |
nore |
wtf?? |
| 13:47 |
Taoki |
It FEELS like bad syncronization between sin and cos somewhere... now 100% sure |
| 13:47 |
nore |
it should not change on the side |
| 13:47 |
Taoki |
Maybe I should invert cos and sin for pitch in yaw2vec? |
| 13:47 |
nore |
but should when you're in front |
| 13:47 |
Taoki |
Right, it's the other way around |
| 13:47 |
Taoki |
Perhaps |
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nore |
no, pitch is ok |
| 13:48 |
nore |
could you try angle(v, v)? |
| 13:48 |
nore |
should always be 0 |
| 13:48 |
Taoki |
Wait... |
| 13:48 |
Taoki |
I don't understand. I didn't change anything, and now moving back and forth from the mob changes angle again. |
| 13:48 |
Taoki |
This is weird... |
| 13:49 |
nore |
... |
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Taoki |
I had v.y = 0 commented out, and it worked. Now if I re-enable that line, the calculations break all the time. |
| 13:50 |
nore |
... |
| 13:50 |
Taoki |
Maybe the file didn't save? I see no other logical explanation, the result can't change by itself. I seriously don't know x_x |
| 13:50 |
Taoki |
Anyway: Commenting out v.y = 0 now breaks everything, again. |
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TeTpaAka |
I have no idea what is going wrong. |
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TeTpaAka |
bbl |
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Taoki |
Ok. And me neither |
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Taoki |
Actually, it might be working properly now. |
| 13:54 |
Taoki |
The angle change as I move toward / away from the mob is minor. If player and mob height differs a bit, this is logical |
| 13:54 |
Taoki |
I'll test more to be safe |
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Darcidride_ |
Come and give you opinion about https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2829 (thank you in advance) ! :) |
| 13:55 |
Taoki |
Yes, this is it actually! |
| 13:58 |
Taoki |
nore: Did multiple tests. It's working exactly like it should now. Thanks! |
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MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Remove compile warning 3376d2e http://git.io/vtmhI (2015-06-25T15:50:31+02:00) |
| 13:58 |
Taoki |
Everything works fine |
| 13:59 |
nore |
you're welcome :) |
| 13:59 |
Taoki |
Nice... that -yaw isn't needed any more either |
| 14:00 |
Taoki |
Or it is, heh. Anyway it's all good :P |
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TheWild |
I was out.. ^ is this solved completely? |
| 14:01 |
Taoki |
TheWild: Seems like it. Did all tests and the result is always correct |
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TheWild |
fine |
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* TheWild |
is going home. |
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Darcidride_ |
Come and give you opinion about https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2829 (thank you in advance) ! :) |
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Taoki |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Gp3X83UZ This is the final, simplified function. 5 lines of code only, and same functionality (tested). Hope it can be of help to many people |
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nore |
Taoki: you should replace math.sin(-yaw) by -math.sin(yaw) |
| 14:43 |
Taoki |
Is there a difference? But ok |
| 14:43 |
nore |
same, but it's easier to understand :) |
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nore |
i.e. that's what the actual formula gives |
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nore |
anyway, looks fine :) |
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TeTpaAka |
looks good. |
| 14:45 |
Taoki |
Corrected |
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Taoki |
Anyway, stealth minigames should be possible to create with my Creatures mod after this is implemented, and I'll add hearing separately. The kind where you can sneak up behind enemy mobs, and not be attacked unless they suddenly turn around and notice you |
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Taoki |
Similar to thief / thedarkmod / etc. Should be fun :) |
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Calinou |
Atom 1.0 is out |
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TheWild |
how to link issue with pull request? |
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Calinou |
just mention it |
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Calinou |
if your commit message contains "fixes #1234", "closes #1234" it will be automatically closed when merged |
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TheWild |
oops, I have not added it to the message |
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TheWild |
Leaving a comment will be enough? |
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Calinou |
a comment where? |
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Calinou |
we can close the issue manually |
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TheWild |
ok, referenced successfully. Thanks |
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DusXMT |
I wonder... is mithril not in Carbone? The other moreores ores seem to be in, but I can't find mithrill... |
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Calinou |
DusXMT, nope, no mithril in Carbone |
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DusXMT |
Calinou: thanks for the quick answer... I'm curious why though? (and I'm really enjoying your game, I have to say, it's the small details that make Minetest so much more enjoyable) |
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Calinou |
sadly Carbone is no longer maintained, it's based on minetest_game 0.4.9... |
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Calinou |
I think there are enough ores in the game, that's all :P |
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Calinou |
although mithril would be a nice addition to minetest_game |
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DusXMT |
Well, I heard minetest_game is freezed, so does it make a difference? |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi all :) |
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DusXMT |
(or was that just a thing in the past that I stumbled upon in the forums?) |
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Calinou |
it is not |
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Calinou |
http://lichess.org/58OyfgcF |
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Calinou |
chess anyone? |
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TheWild |
nah, I'm not good at chess |
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TheWild |
Why the hell github is so unintuitive? |
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TheWild |
how to get specific branch identifier or something |
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Calinou |
my opponent ragequit |
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Taoki |
Alright... field of vision is in. Now it's time to add hearing to mobs. |
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Taoki |
Does anyone know whether there's a way to tell if a player is punching (mining) a node, from the player entity itself? Als if it's punching a mob or other objects. |
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luizrpgluiz |
little group of people using Linux? |
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luizrpgluiz |
I prefer to play to Linux than using Windows, but to make minetest server, I use Windows |
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Taoki |
Hmmm... why is set_properties docummented as both a player and entity function? Can you use it to set custom properties on players? |
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Taoki |
Including custom properties of your own? |
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Taoki |
Silly me... of course, set_properties is used to configure the appearance of players for instance. But can it set then get custom properties as well? |
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Taoki |
Like player:set_properties({myprop = 1,}) |
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xenkey |
hello |
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donpdonp |
hi. ive got it build but cant figure out where the world goes |
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donpdonp |
im using RUN_IN_PLACE, and did mkdir ./worlds/ |
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donpdonp |
putting minetest_game in ./worlds/world or ./worlds/minetest doesnt work |
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asl97 |
minetest_game is not a world, it's a game, you put it in the game folder |
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donpdonp |
i dont have a game folder |
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donpdonp |
:) |
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asl97 |
games* |
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donpdonp |
ah i see games/minimal |
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donpdonp |
what name does it need in games/ |
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asl97 |
minetest_game |
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donpdonp |
ok. starting ./bin/minetest shows a menu to 'select world' with an empty list |
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asl97 |
you create a new world |
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asl97 |
using the new button |
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donpdonp |
oh okay. |
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donpdonp |
this needs to be in the readme. |
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donpdonp |
thx! |
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asl97 |
it is in the wiki, http://wiki.minetest.net/Getting_Started |
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donpdonp |
i see nothing about putting minetest_game into games/ |
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donpdonp |
it is in the directory structure listing, but id have to deduce that I needed to do it myself |
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asl97 |
it is also in the readme, https://github.com/minetest/minetest |
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asl97 |
the part where it says: Download minetest_game, without using git: |
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donpdonp |
oh yeah i see it. thx |
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asl97 |
and https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game but i suppose it not clearly stated |
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donpdonp |
i never looked at that repo because i dont have to build the game, just get the zip |
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asl97 |
the game doesn't need building, most `games` is just get the zip and extract into the games folder |
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asl97 |
most games hosted on github just give a direct link to download it |
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asl97 |
eg: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/archive/master.zip |
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donpdonp |
yup. |
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donpdonp |
dang it, just accidentally rm -rf the game |
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donpdonp |
haha. okay time to step away from the keyboard. |
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donpdonp |
thx for the help |
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xenkey |
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Taoki |
Is minetest.register_on_punchnode broken? The parameter "node" returns nil for me |
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Taoki |
Ah sorry, it returns a table... got confused again >_> |
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Taoki |
Is there any function to get the length (in seconds) for an audio file? |
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asl97 |
not in minetest i think |
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Taoki |
ok |
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asl97 |
there might be a 3rd party library in lua though |
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Taoki |
It only matters if it's builtin, and Minetest is guaranteed to have it. Don't want the mod to crash for some people |
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asl97 |
you can always bundle it together with the mod |
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asl97 |
if the license allow |
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TheWild |
is this safe to override minetest methods? |
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asl97 |
it depend on what you are overriding iirc |
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TheWild |
more specifically: minetest.register_craft, minetest.get_craft_recipe, minetest.get_craft_result... |
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asl97 |
if you return the expected result then it should be fine |
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TheWild |
On the latest released version (0.4.12, not minetest-master) performance of searching the item from given recipe just SUCKS very badly. DreamBuilder has a lot of mods in it and because of poor performance of getting item from recipe it is on the edge of being unplayable. |
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TheWild |
thanks to est31 who finally fixed it at the core |
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asl97 |
so you want to make a cache of some sort? |
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TheWild |
yes |
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asl97 |
override it with a function that cache it and then pass it back to the original method |
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TheWild |
code it in lua to at least improve speed of this one, until 0.4.13 is released |
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TheWild |
umm... maybe not really a cache, but hashtable |
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TheWild |
I can't believe that nobody pointed the problem out when register_craft was implemented. |
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asl97 |
original_function = minetest.function; minetest.function = function (y,z){cache[y]=z;original_function(y,z)} |
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asl97 |
something like that, maybe |
| 21:58 |
TheWild |
rather to implement own way of crafting rule registration |
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TheWild |
and retrieval |
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asl97 |
doesn't the unified invertory depend on the default crafting function or something? |
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asl97 |
i never really look at the source for it yet though |
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TheWild |
I think it does, that's why it is so slow |
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TheWild |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/beds/functions.lua#L11 <- looks like somebody was afraid of math.pi |
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asl97 |
if you override it with your own crafting api without passing the data to the default function, wouldn't that break the mods which depend on them as well as the engine itself? |
| 22:04 |
TheWild |
should not |
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asl97 |
like wouldn't everything become unknown? also there is no way to get it to load before the other mod so that it can override the function unless you make default depend on it iirc |
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TheWild |
IMHO the whole item crafting idea should be thrown out form the C++ code and be one of the core mods. |
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asl97 |
it would also depend on other mods depending on default |
| 22:05 |
asl97 |
override the function before other mod use it* |
| 22:06 |
TheWild |
^ yup, that's it |
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TheWild |
right now I'm checking whether minetest.register_craft is registered within builtin directory |
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TheWild |
note that we have minetest.register_on_craft(func) and minetest.register_craft_predict(func) |
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TheWild |
another question. Look at the javascript in browser - most things are done asynchronously (do not confuse with multithreading), e.g. doTask(params, function(){...}) |
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TheWild |
in MineTest, there is minetest.after |
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TheWild |
but I'm not sure if minetest.after(0, function() ... end) will always work |
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TheWild |
or is it even correct? |
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haiku |
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