Time Nick Message 00:11 AndroidKris anyone know about world anchors? 01:57 * Sokomine_ looks around 01:57 Sokomine_ oh. why do i have an underscore in my nick? 02:01 AndroidKris Hey, you wouldn't know anything about admin/world anchors would you sokomine? 02:08 Sokomine AndroidKris: i know that such a thing exists (for keeping part of a world loaded). i had never use to really use them. it's too far against the concept of the game to depend on it... 02:08 Sokomine if you want any machines to run while you're absent, consider a ressource-friendly /giveme :-) 02:08 Sokomine (after you've built the machine as a proof of concept) 02:09 AndroidKris lol, that's not machines running though. that's cheating at it's most basic definition. 02:09 AndroidKris I prefer my cheatery to be shrouded in at least a little bit of mystery 02:10 Sokomine and tortue the poor server with it? :) 02:10 AndroidKris My pc can handle it.lol 02:11 Sokomine still... 02:11 * Sokomine secretly puts AndroidKris into creative mode 02:11 AndroidKris Nuuuuuuuu........ 02:11 AndroidKris I like to work for my spoils 02:11 * AndroidKris fightes Sokomine 02:11 AndroidKris fights* 02:12 AndroidKris I have actually got a world I load up when I want to be in creative mode. 02:59 * Pilcrow182 is attempting something crazy and trying to fit 25 anime episodes on one dvd :P 03:12 Sokomine yes, i know the feeling. i usually use survival with giveme. it seems to be easier to control the game that way 04:10 technomancy Pilcrow182: hey 04:11 Pilcrow182 hi technomancy! how are you? :) 04:11 technomancy I did some more brainstorming yesterday and came up with this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12517 04:31 Pilcrow182 sorry technomancy, I am a slow reader and quite distracted at the moment. I just looked at your link though, and its a very good idea... :) 04:35 Pilcrow182 technomancy: also, I see you mention using position strings as addresses, and that's probably the best idea anyway, but you may also be interested in these two functions: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.hash_node_position and http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.get_position_from_hash 05:00 technomancy Pilcrow182: I actually want to support accepting several different types but probably normalizing it down to a pos 05:03 Pilcrow182 yeah, as I said, a pos string makes sense. I was just pointing out the hash functions because they are useful sometimes, and not many know they exist. :P 05:53 technomancy yeah cool; thanks 06:22 technomancy Pilcrow182: one interesting question is whether diginet should be based on digilines or just wireless 06:26 Pilcrow182 that's a good question. I'm not sure which would be best. I do think wireless would be faster, as digilines sort of uses a node-by-node chain reaction, AFAIK... 06:27 technomancy yeah... I think you could do cool things with digilines networking, but I'm not sure it's worth the overhead 06:27 technomancy it seems like you could just calculate the full extent of the network any time a digiline was placed or destroyed and used the cached graph rather than simulating the movements of packets along the lines, but that's not how it works 06:28 technomancy plus the wireless implementation is vastly simpler; I've got a basic POC in a page and a half 06:29 Pilcrow182 possibly make it wireless, but make a diginet-to-digilines reciever? then you wouldn't have to sacrifice the possibility of doing 'cool things' :P 06:31 technomancy yeah, some kind of bridge 06:33 Pilcrow182 anyway, it's after 1:30am here and I need to go to bed. 06:33 Pilcrow182 goodnight, technomancy o/ 06:40 technomancy cheers Pilcrow \o 06:40 technomancy "ServerError: error in error handling" welp =\ 06:45 technomancy is meta:get_string() etc guaranteed to never return nil? 06:47 technomancy like it would just return an empty string for uninitialized keys? 07:44 technomancy sweeeeeet; got communications between terminal and server working over diginet 07:44 technomancy aw yiss \m/ 08:49 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Cars Day! 😃 08:54 mazal Morning everyone , does anyone know if there is a way to protect technic machines from being dug , but still allow everyone to use the input/output slots ? 10:20 Calinou Chromium syntax highlighter add-on https://github.com/tsenart/sight 11:02 Calinou Minetest reached 1,500 stars on GitHub 14:01 luizrpgluiz hi all :) 14:02 ADFENO Hi. :D 14:02 Megaf Hi all, can any German speaking translate this please? http://paste.debian.net/plain/215949 14:02 Megaf I caugh two German griefers destroying things on my server 14:03 Megaf Hi luizrpgluiz 14:03 luizrpgluiz hi megaf :) 14:13 luizrpgluiz has anyone ever used the dynvpn before? 14:14 sfan5 Megaf: something about mithril, a pickaxe and how much time they have left 14:15 Megaf sfan5: I got that :P 14:30 Megaf where do I upload an image to? 14:30 Megaf Calinou: ^ 14:30 kilbith https://lut.im/ 14:31 Megaf thats fast 14:31 Megaf thanks 14:32 Megaf https://lut.im/erYfd1Tv/KDeFwJLP 14:33 Megaf :) 14:35 Megaf Minetest server is not using much ram, I think they fixed most of memory leaks 14:37 Jordach Server has been running for 984:04:15 one more day and a few hours to 1k hours uptime 14:38 luizrpgluiz yes, but it depends on the mods that use the server 14:39 luizrpgluiz :) 14:46 Megaf Jordach: thats 41 days 14:47 Jordach ikr 14:47 Megaf 1000 hours 14:47 Jordach 0.4.11 doesn't crash :O 14:47 Megaf minetest@mt:~$ uptime 14:47 Megaf 10:47:18 up 69 days, 4:11, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.01 14:48 Megaf Jordach: it does, just use World Edit 14:48 Megaf 69 days :) 14:48 Jordach i just dislike everyone shitting themselves over security 14:48 Jordach or big issues which aren't problems 14:49 Megaf well, my minetestserver at least once a day to backup and update, and the system itself is rebooted every kernel update 14:49 Megaf Calculating upgrade... Done 14:49 Megaf 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 15:00 Jordach Megaf, jordach@jordach-net $ uptime 15:00:16 up 118 days, 19:42, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.05 15:04 Megaf Jordach: that's cute 15:04 Megaf :P 15:06 Calinou 17:06:25 up 2 days, 2:52, 2 users, load average: 0,11, 0,17, 0,12 15:06 Calinou this is my VPS 15:06 * Calinou VPS peasant 15:08 * Jordach pets Calinou 15:09 Jordach >0.4.9, minetest, v6 15:09 Jordach WHAT YEAR IS IT 15:09 Calinou 0.4.9, minetest, v6, Windows 95 15:13 Calinou Jordach, http://i.imgur.com/8X7uPPd.png 15:13 Calinou that's like your VPS vs mine 15:13 Jordach ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ 15:14 Jordach also 15:14 est31 Jordach, which minetest version does your server run? 15:14 Jordach 0.4.11 for non-MT-license-friendly-apps 15:14 Jordach there's still tons of em 15:14 est31 ? 15:15 Jordach est31, there are still tablet users on 0.4.11 15:15 est31 yes, but 0.4.12 also supports 0.4.11 15:15 est31 so clients on 0.4.11 can connect to 0.4.12 servers 15:15 Jordach mod security is bullshite 15:16 * est31 wonders whether he can crash Jordach's server from remote 15:17 Jordach lmao 15:17 Jordach spotify's backend went down 15:19 Jordach http://a.pomf.se/nhldfe.png 15:21 Calinou Spotify France! 15:21 Calinou le hoodedice 15:21 est31 Jordach, explain why it is bullshit 15:21 Calinou and sfan5 15:21 sfan5 ? 15:21 Jordach est31, i think it would be plainly fucking obvious that you don't run MT as root 15:22 Jordach oh right, devs still cater to the uninformed useless idiot 15:22 sfan5 Calinou: ? 15:22 est31 Jordach, yes you shouldnt run it as root 15:22 est31 but defense goes in layers 15:22 Jordach defense is checking whether the mod uses os.execute 15:23 sfan5 hm 15:23 est31 not in "Hey they only gain shell access to a low privileged user" 15:23 ADFENO Hi... How do I use minetest.sound_play with a file name different than "modname_filename"? Like "alarm"? 15:23 sfan5 !py __import__("os").popen("uptime").read() 15:23 MinetestBot ' 15:23:14 up 22 days, 9:05, 0 users, load average: 0.16, 0.10, 0.09\n' 15:23 MinetestBot 02[git] 04HybridDog -> 03minetest/minetest: More reliable serverlist behaviour 1305f4e9e http://git.io/vI26T (152015-06-09T16:44:43+02:00) 15:23 est31 Jordach, so you do a grep for OS.execute? 15:23 est31 what if sb does local a = OS a.execute 15:23 Jordach est31, preferably 15:23 Jordach or 15:24 Jordach you could just check the mods goddamn source 15:24 sfan5 exio4: os not OS 15:24 est31 also if they have control over your user account they can use your server as a botnet 15:24 Jordach tl;dr rare and pointless defence against a non-existant threar 15:24 Jordach you're pointing nukes at a fucking mouse 15:24 sfan5 oops 15:24 exio4 yes sfan5 15:24 sfan5 est31: os not OS 15:24 * sfan5 hugs exio4 15:24 est31 sfan5, whatever 15:25 est31 Jordach, you want people to read source for every mod out there= 15:25 est31 or do you trust everybody 15:25 Jordach est31, common sense 15:25 * exio4 hugs sfan5 back <3 15:25 Jordach is it a popular mod done by someone who's well known? 15:25 sfan5 est31: did you know that minetest uses LUA for MODS? 15:25 est31 can you install my ssh keys on your box pls? it seems you trust everybody 15:26 Jordach est31, most of my server runs my own custom mods 15:26 est31 Jordach, great you can write programs, not everybody can 15:26 est31 yes executing minetest as root is stupid 15:26 Jordach est31, stupid rules shouldn't affect power users 15:26 sfan5 wait what 15:26 sfan5 icy-title: Timbaland feat. Keri Hilson & D.O.E. mit The Way I Are 15:26 sfan5 "The Way I Are" 15:26 sfan5 wot 15:26 Jordach or someone with actual intelligence 15:27 Jordach lowest common denominator is bullshit 15:27 est31 and I +1 every pull request which makes minetest exit and print an error message if it runs as root 15:27 est31 Jordach, whats a stupid rule for you? 15:28 Jordach est31, the console even with sandboxing should shout: "there's an execution of the terminal / CLI here, do something" 15:28 Jordach let people know that function alone is being used 15:29 Jordach and this occurs during server start: to tell the server operator to enable or disable the mod 15:29 est31 Jordach, lua is a too dynamic language for that. 15:29 Jordach bullshit 15:29 Jordach enforce it at the API level 15:29 est31 thats precisely what mod security does 15:29 est31 it removes the API call 15:29 Jordach idiot 15:30 sfan5 let people know that function alone is being used 15:30 sfan5 and this occurs during server start 15:30 sfan5 uhh 15:30 est31 Jordach, can you please speak like a civilized human? thank you. 15:30 sfan5 static analysis isn't perfect 15:30 est31 ^ 15:31 est31 doing 100% waterproof lualint is much much harder than writing a sandbox 15:32 est31 so stop trolling please until you understand basic concepts of security 15:32 est31 also, minetestserver is no interactive tool 15:33 est31 it cant do things like "do you want to disable this mod, enable, do this or that" 15:40 ADFENO Hi, we are trying to play a chat sound when an administrator types a command (say "/alert", for example), the sound is in OGG, but it's not being played with minetest.sound_play... Doest someone know what might be the problem? 15:44 est31 and it seems I can crash 0.4.11 servers from remote 15:44 est31 too lazy to try it out though 15:52 ADFENO Well... We tried to use mono audio... but with no success... 15:53 ADFENO We even tried variations using the mods' path + the file name (without .ogg extension), but with no luck. 15:55 est31 ADFENO, does it display some error message 15:55 est31 ? 15:59 ADFENO Just a moment.... .... 16:02 ADFENO No... It doesn't display errors... 16:02 * Megaf throws more moments at ADFENO I case is they are needed 16:02 Megaf in case they are* 16:02 Megaf Oo 16:04 ADFENO Sorry for that.... I'm not the server host.... and he is someohat slow to understand what I say. :D 16:07 Megaf so get the server host here 16:07 Megaf lol 16:09 ADFENO And so here he is. :D 16:09 Undertaker hi 16:10 ADFENO Undertaker is the server host. And as you all know, we 're trying to get an OGG file to play. :D 16:11 ADFENO The server logs don't display anything. :D 16:13 Undertaker http://pastebin.com/6Pg3dX83 16:39 Undertaker someone ? 16:41 H-H-H usually helps if you explain what the problem is 16:42 H-H-H bah wrong window lol 16:42 H-H-H sorry 16:42 VanessaE actually it would still help. 16:42 Undertaker ... 16:42 VanessaE good morning. 16:42 VanessaE Undertaker: what is the problem you're having? 16:42 exio4 hi 16:43 VanessaE hi 16:43 Undertaker My friend ADFENO has already explained 16:43 VanessaE oh yeah, there he is 16:43 Undertaker someone here called me here 16:44 VanessaE not sure then 16:46 Undertaker OK, i'm trying to play a sound with a command in the server, the intention is to make it play to alert players, I created the sound effect using the lmms 16:47 ADFENO Hi all... I'm back... 16:49 ADFENO And... as he just said, we're trying to use minetest.sound_play to play a small audio file ("an alarm", for that matter). :D 16:50 ADFENO But when using:somthing like: 16:50 ADFENO minetest.sound_play("alarm") 16:51 ADFENO It does nothing. 16:51 VanessaE func = function(administrador, texto_do_alerta) 16:51 sfan5 uhh 16:51 VanessaE pretty sure you need to write that differently. 16:51 sfan5 ADFENO: that's not how the functions works 16:52 sfan5 http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.sound_play 16:52 sfan5 wait no 16:52 luizrpgluiz hi all 16:53 ADFENO VanessaE: Regarding "(administrador, texto_do_alerta)"... 16:53 VanessaE ADFENO: no 16:53 VanessaE ADFENO: regarding the "func = " part. 16:54 VanessaE most likely that needs to be function = function(blahblah) 16:54 ADFENO ... The "administrador" is like the "name", and "texto_do_alerta" is like "params". 16:55 sfan5 VanessaE: foo = function(bar, baz) is valid lua 16:56 Undertaker hi luizrpgluiz 16:56 VanessaE sfan5: sure, but if register_chatcommand doesn't know what to do with table entry 'foo' that won't work. 16:56 VanessaE however in this case I'm wrong, apparently it really DOES need to be "func =" 16:56 sfan5 ADFENO: is the alarme.ogg in the sounds folder of the mod? 16:57 sfan5 VanessaE: oh you mean that, yes it's needs to be func 16:57 VanessaE sfan5: what nitwit thought it was a good idea to abbreviate "function" as "func" everywhere AND include literal uses of the word "func"? :P 16:58 ADFENO Well.. It's in the root of the mod directory, where the init.lua is. 16:58 sfan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 16:58 sfan5 ADFENO: it should be in a directory called sounds 16:59 ADFENO Hm... 16:59 ADFENO Interesting... 17:00 ADFENO I was just wondering if the wiki had such information and I accidentally overlooked it. 17:03 HtxzZ77 hello 17:03 HtxzZ77 :) 17:03 ADFENO Hi HtxzZ77. :D 17:16 Undertaker haha! thanks a lot 17:16 Undertaker now is working 17:17 ADFENO Thanks a lot... 17:19 ADFENO Also... It might be a good idea to the reader of the minetest.sound_play wiki page that it plays a sound from the sounds folder. 17:22 Undertaker I can share the sound 17:22 exio4 Calinou: ping? http://dpaste.com/11EKWDX 17:22 Undertaker is like a nuclear alarm 17:24 Calinou exio4, meh 17:24 Calinou that benchmark doesn't compare with mine at all 17:24 Calinou it would be unfair to include it in my suite :P 17:24 Calinou yours is 163 lines 17:24 Calinou mine are 40 lines at most 17:24 exio4 why are you counting lines? 17:24 exio4 I am using whitespace for the sake of it in that code 17:24 exio4 and basically avoiding a few combinators because why not 17:25 exio4 example, function at line 29 17:25 exio4 it goes til line 38 17:25 exio4 that's 9 lines, it only needs 2 17:26 exio4 40-65 can be 5~6 lines 17:26 exio4 I am also adding type signatures, even though the aren't needed 17:27 exio4 line 90-92, could be a single line 17:27 exio4 X ; return Y is the same as Y <$ X, yet I wrote the long version 17:27 exio4 declaring local variables instead of using fix $ \loop ->, avoiding one line 17:27 exio4 there are 40 lines of dead code, too 17:28 exio4 (well not actual dead code, it's only because there are two modes, benchmark and not) 18:03 exio4 Calinou: well, I got the total line count to 66 lines, counting imports and 25 lines of boilerplate 18:04 exio4 is it good enough for your standards? 18:05 exio4 note, it's also doing a lot of useless work because it's keeping intermediate values and then throwing them away 18:05 exio4 because your original "forced ordering" 18:46 TheWild are there plans to move the protocol from UDP to TCP? Of course I don't mean that UDP is bad. 18:46 Calinou unlikely 18:46 Calinou maybe we'll switch to something like enet in the future 18:46 Calinou (but enet doesn't support IPv6) 18:47 Calinou TCP is just slow for real-time games 18:48 est31 if enet doesnt support ipv6, I will vote against inclusion 18:48 Krock TheWild, every game tends to use TCP from beginning. We have UDP, so why do you think there would be a change? 18:49 kilbith how is useful to support ipv6 ? 18:49 Calinou est31, there's an issue on its GitHub 18:49 Krock kilbith, to let the fridge play Minetest 18:49 Calinou Krock, Quake uses UDP. :-) 18:49 est31 kilbith, ipv6 is the future, ipv4 will die 18:49 Calinou and that's how you can get 50ms ping 18:49 Krock est31, some things are called dead since years but are still alive 18:49 est31 I know this sounds like one of calinou's "tabs in 2015 srsly?" arguments 18:50 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 18:50 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (8ms) 18:50 Megaf :) 18:50 Krock Calinou, 50ms is too less 18:50 Megaf but I miss the time when it used to get 2ms 18:50 Calinou est31, well I'll use tabs if the language specification says so 18:50 Calinou eg. in most system languages 18:50 Calinou Atom has a package to display the current indentation mode, as well as auto-detecting it 18:50 Krock there must be a ping of at least 5s 18:50 est31 spaces are ugly 18:50 est31 they require your editor to be smart 18:50 est31 I dont like smart editors 18:51 est31 smart editors have huge startup times and are laggy 18:51 est31 its not that they are bad 18:51 Calinou Atom's my default editor now 18:51 Calinou starts in 2.5 seconds, works well with files up to ~50 KB I'd say 18:51 Calinou it now uses tile-based rendering 18:51 est31 atom is a nice editor, but I prefer kate because it isnt so bloaty 18:52 Calinou most editors feel too basic, or have ugly color schemes 18:52 Calinou Atom Dark is a great color scheme 18:52 Calinou I should port it everywhere ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:52 est31 I like light color schemes 18:52 Calinou that hurts my eyes :P 18:53 Krock dark makes tired. 18:53 TheWild about editor: anyone knows any good IDE that has all that autocompletion stuff (indentation, quotes, closing brackets, tags etc.), but has all that options disabled by default? 18:54 Krock best is to use neon-purple and neon-green if possible 18:56 Calinou TheWild, Atom is entirely modular 18:56 Calinou you can edit all its lines of CoffeeScript code, and LESS styles 18:57 TheWild okay, I'll look for that 18:59 Calinou it uses a package system, you can also disable core packages 18:59 Calinou (do disable the metrics package!) 19:01 Sokomine hmpf. now i see why this isn't working.....the skyblock blocks get too high for the one at the bottom to be loaded 19:03 TheWild I'm using Crimson Editor at home, years ago found in on a CD from some PC magazine when I had no internet yet. It's not very extensible and pretty old but enough for crafting my own stuff. 19:05 TheWild Netbeans at work, but it adds a second " and disabling it doesn't work. It's a bug, reported by many and not fixed by years. Well, I tried some other IDEs but NetBeans was least evil. 19:06 TheWild Eclipse - again disabling autocompletion. And what are the perspectives. PHP storm unable to open two projects in the same window. 19:18 Junko hello :D 19:19 Junko i installed minetest the other day, never played minecraft to be honest 19:19 Junko :D 19:21 Junko Calinou; :DDDDDDDDDDD 19:21 Junko so glad to see you 19:23 TheWild yet shallow protocol analysis: I found that biggest packets are sent by servers but no packet was bigger than 520 bytes. 19:24 Calinou hi Junko 19:47 AndroidKris Is there a way to view all of the messages from the chat? 19:48 AndroidKris Like are they in a saved document somewhere in /.minetest? 19:49 Sokomine AndroidKris: type f10 19:50 AndroidKris I mean like a physical copy that I can cut and paste somewhere, I keep getting an error sent through there and I'd like to figure out why, and what the error means. 19:54 est31 no 19:54 est31 you have to type it : 19:54 est31 )) 19:57 Junko how do i view 19:57 Junko backlog of the chat 19:58 est31 f10 20:04 VanessaE new mod: https://github.com/VanessaE/nixie_tubes 20:07 AndroidKris I wish there was a way to turn the technic quarries on their side to mine horizontally. 20:08 alket is there a car mod or something, something you can drive 20:09 AndroidKris a boat 20:09 AndroidKris alket^^ 20:09 alket yes I know boat, something for the ground :) 20:09 AndroidKris Mine cart 20:09 alket you know what i mean :p 20:09 VanessaE there is a cars mod, yes 20:09 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7381 20:10 alket thanks VanessaE 20:10 alket also Cart is very bad, its minining game and cart lags :p 20:10 AndroidKris I know, I'm being facetious. 20:10 VanessaE alket: happens with all entities. 20:11 Teckla Can anyone here suggestion a mod or mods that adds animals to the game? 20:11 Teckla (For my daughter) 20:11 Teckla s/suggestion/suggest/ 20:11 VanessaE Teckla: MOBF. 20:11 Teckla VanessaE: Thank you kindly :) 20:12 Teckla Can mods be added to worlds that already exist? My daughter and I have built a lot on our shared world and would hate to start over. 20:12 est31 yes 20:12 Teckla Cool beans, thanks thanks :) 20:12 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629 (ignore the broken screenshots) 20:12 * Teckla <3 Minetest 20:13 Teckla Thank you for the link 20:14 Teckla Hopefully I'll have time to apply it otnight 20:16 AndroidKris Also with that modpack, I believe you can disable the hostile creatures so that the only ones left are all docile. 20:17 Teckla Good to know, thanks! 20:19 Calinou you mean BLOATF? 20:19 Calinou :) 20:20 Calinou Teckla, you can use Carbone Mobs with spawn_hostile_mobs = false in minetest.conf 20:20 Calinou only rats and sheep will spawn 20:27 Junko wtf 20:27 Junko my whole session crashed this time Calinou 20:31 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Add patch files to gitignore 13f09ae11 http://git.io/vIVpm (152015-06-09T22:01:25+02:00) 20:36 VanessaE there, now the nixie_tube mod has a proper forum post: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12537 20:36 est31 nice 21:11 Amaz Hm, in the terminal output of minetest, it assigns numbers to objects such as mobs. 21:11 Amaz Is there a way to access and put data to these numbers in game? 21:19 Amaz Or rather, how do I find out the object id of a particular entity? 21:29 Amaz I need to go now, but I'll check the logs tomorrow :) 21:30 bobomb canyone help me with formspec? 21:35 bobomb how do you assemble the fields in a table formspec, do you still use minetest.show_formspec()? 22:45 Sokomine was the texture for cotton changed yet again? 22:46 kilbith no 23:28 zBuilder can a texture pack cause addons to generate rrors?