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01:42 Pilcrow Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear. Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair. Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't very fuzzy, was 'e?  :P
01:44 Pilcrow aww, I was hoping that little childrens' rhyme would get a funny response from Wuzzy.  :P
01:54 Pilcrow Is anyone here conscious right now, lol? Is there a way to make lua-defined hover-over elements? Similar to hovertext, but not just text, like Wawla from minecraft (http://www.minecraftmods.com/wawla/).
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02:00 init amazing
02:00 Pilcrow what's amazing, init?
02:00 init I am trying luck
02:01 Pilcrow init: what do you mean?
02:01 init I am sampling a .wav into an intermediate list, then processing it and reducing it to a really low quality version of the audio
02:01 init now I am going to send that low-quality audio to my arduino, and see if I can make it play music :p
02:02 Pilcrow wow. that *is* a pretty interesting idea...  :)
02:04 init if I can get performant-enough processing, and decent results, I may even do it in realtime :D
02:07 * Xenoth hands init an old MP3 player and tells him to "Have fun"
02:09 Pilcrow lol Xenoth
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02:14 paramat zat could you put your earth mod up somewhere public so we can work on it? it shouldn't go to waste
02:14 blaise earth mod?
02:14 Xenoth While running a gamemode from the Server (but not singleplayer) tab, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/A2sYRUGS . Latest git pull. Kubuntu 14.04.2 LTS.
02:14 paramat i could even host it on my github account if that's okay
02:16 Xenoth Whoops, that statement is wrong. While running a map, on a gamemode named "fort", I get that crash. It doesn't happen in Singleplayer, only Server.
02:16 paramat i was hoping you would compromise on the problems and work on it anyway within the limitations of current Minetest
02:16 paramat but whatever =)
02:20 paramat thats a bug with the valleys_mapgen mod, contact the author
02:22 Xenoth paramat: Thanks - I googled the Lua-specific error, and it turns out that that happens when a seed to math.random is too large. I removed a digit, works fine now
02:22 Xenoth Doesn't seem to adversely affect the gen, either.
02:22 paramat good
02:31 paramat crumbs yes that second argument is too big at 4 billion or so
02:36 Pilcrow hello paramat. haven't seen you on irc in a while.  :)
02:38 paramat hi im not often in this channel
02:40 Pilcrow yeah, you're probably on -dev if anything. but I don't go there, so I never see you.  :P
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02:44 ajaypay ?
02:44 Pilcrow what's up, ajaypay?
02:44 init how is it going ajaypay
02:44 ajaypay hey man
02:45 ajaypay goin well
02:45 ajaypay are any of u on trepca?
02:46 init I don't know what that is :(
02:46 ajaypay server
02:46 ajaypay on mt
02:47 Pilcrow nope. I didn't know what it was either. lol
02:47 ajaypay its a cool server
02:48 Pilcrow eh, I don't really play on public servers. just local private ones with a few good friends...
02:48 init I don't really play minetest
02:48 ajaypay k
02:48 init I am here just because people here is nice
02:48 * init hugs Pilcrow
02:48 ajaypay what?
02:48 Pilcrow lol what's that for, init?  :)
02:49 init being nice
02:49 ajaypay but mt is awsome
02:49 init it is
02:49 Pilcrow ^ I agree
02:49 init I never said it isn't!
02:49 init wasn't*
02:49 ajaypay o how do u do that?
02:49 Pilcrow do what?
02:50 ajaypay do the 'hugs pillcrow'
02:51 ajaypay *like this?*
02:51 init /me
02:52 init ajaypay: try writing "/me test"
02:52 init it should show up as something like
02:52 * ajaypay says hi
02:52 * init test
02:52 init :P
02:52 * Pilcrow sits on Pilcrow's head
02:52 init that's recursive
02:52 init I don't know how you would sit on yourself though
02:52 * ajaypay gets it now
02:52 Pilcrow I am now donut-shaped.  ;P
02:53 init lol
02:53 ajaypay lololol
02:53 ajaypay is that healthy thogh?
02:54 Pilcrow probably not  :P
02:54 ajaypay :T
02:54 ajaypay ;D
02:55 * ajaypay falls out his bed wile laughing
02:55 ajaypay ouch ;B
02:56 Pilcrow lol
02:57 * ajaypay gets up
02:58 Pilcrow having fun with that command, ajaypay?  :P
02:58 * ajaypay gets more root beer to drink
02:58 ajaypay yep
02:59 * ajaypay runs into a wall sleep walking
03:00 zat paramat: I have been so busy lately but yes I will soon. Earlier today I promised ElectronLibre that I would wake it available soon.
03:00 ajaypay okay walks. who runs in thier sleep?
03:01 ajaypay ?
03:01 * ajaypay dozes off
03:02 * ajaypay WAKE UP SELF!!!
03:03 ajaypay okay awake now
03:04 paramat cool
03:04 ajaypay yep i think
03:08 ajaypay so did everybody leav?
03:09 ajaypay or are they aready gone?
03:09 ajaypay hey
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03:09 ajaypay :,'-\
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03:10 ajaypay yay
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03:10 ajaypay bye
03:10 algun hello. there's a certain server with protection blocks and auto-cleaning spawn. the bug is that you can put tree trunks into protected areas. someone enclosed the spawn. does anyone have any idea how to set it on fire?
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03:17 Pilcrow algun: no I don't, sorry. what server is that, by the way? and can you punch the trees, or did they become 'protected' after they were placed?
03:34 Wayward_Tab Sounds like it could possibly be one of the freeminer servers using minetest protocol
03:35 Pilcrow Wayward_Tab: are freeminer and minetest still similar enough to connect to each others' servers?
03:36 Wayward_Tab No, but an option was recently added to compile with minetest compatibility
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04:56 algun Pilcrow they became protected
04:56 algun sorry for the delay
04:56 algun the server is some 80. ip
04:56 algun i think it's called a test server or something, has a decent amount of people
04:57 algun we made a trail of tree trunks outside of spawn and city area, and then lit it on fire
04:57 algun it was a 2+ blocks wide trail on average
04:57 algun 2+ block trail minimally actually
04:57 algun >=2
04:58 algun ok? geez
04:59 algun Pilcrow: 87.110.8.195(30000)
05:01 algun Pilcrow: i'm off. If you think of anything clever, use /msg MemoServ send algun message
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07:10 CWz hello Zeno`
07:11 Zeno` howdy
07:11 Zeno` wassup?
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07:18 CWz Zeno`: How are you?
07:18 Zeno` pretty good. Yourself?
07:20 CWz i am ok
07:26 Calinou Iceweasel 38 has landed in Stretch… but not backported to Jessie :(
07:28 Zeno` aargh Iceweasel! Sounds like a horrible monster of the forbidden ice lands that stretch across the northern hemisphere
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07:33 Zeno` https://github.com: Name or service not known
07:33 Zeno` this is getting depressing :(
07:38 Krock Zeno`, why unknwon?
07:38 Zeno` nfi :(
07:39 Zeno` I think it's something to do with ipv6 but.. *shrug*
07:40 Zeno` And I can't work out how to disable ipv6 completely
07:40 * Krock is happy about the new results sorting algorythm
07:40 Krock !mod spawn
07:40 MinetestBot Krock: Multispawn[multispawn] by Pitriss - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7639
07:40 Zeno` I do lsmod | grep ipv6 and there are still modules loaded that I have blacklisted
07:40 Zeno` the new results sorting?
07:41 Krock Zeno`, on my mod search site. Some users tried to pull down the rating of some mods to get others on top but that didn't work before
07:42 Zeno` oh, cool
07:42 Zeno` finally github.com resolves
07:43 Zeno` and now it doesn't again :3
07:43 Calinou 192.30.252.131
07:43 Calinou this is their IP
07:43 Calinou (will throw a certificate warning)
07:43 Zeno` I suppose I can add that to hosts
07:43 Zeno` but it won't fix the core problem
07:43 Zeno` time to ask in ##fedora I guess
07:44 Calinou why ##?
07:45 Krock OldCoder, please write your posts bigger, I can't read them :P
07:48 OldCoder Krock, I have just had this out with Calinou
07:48 OldCoder Do not start unless you wish to do so
07:48 OldCoder Seriously
07:48 OldCoder If you do wish to do so, PM me
07:48 OldCoder I will accommodate you
07:49 OldCoder You're aware that I'm not especially friendly or nice, right? That I come across this way based on principles?
07:49 OldCoder By all means
07:49 OldCoder PM me and poke at me
07:49 OldCoder Let's talk
07:49 OldCoder :D
07:49 OldCoder :D
07:49 OldCoder :D
07:49 Krock k
07:49 Zeno` OldCoder's font seems fine to me
07:50 OldCoder Font is not the issue
07:50 Zeno` same as everybody elses font in fact
07:50 OldCoder Half the people here are Europe
07:50 OldCoder They will understand the WWII point if they think
07:50 OldCoder It is all right
07:50 OldCoder To question decisions
07:50 OldCoder The #2 rule of my business channel is
07:50 OldCoder #2 Bash Ideas Not People
07:50 Zeno` Stupid idea
07:50 OldCoder Ad Hominem deserves nothing but justice
07:51 Zeno` lol
07:51 OldCoder Which is stupid ? Go on
07:51 Zeno` (that was a little joke)
07:51 * OldCoder does not follow but whatver
07:51 * OldCoder does not follow but whatever *
07:51 OldCoder Ideas
07:51 OldCoder are there to be smashed
07:51 OldCoder I love to smash ideas
07:51 Zeno` OldCoder, Australian's have a very weird sense of humour (all of us that I associate with do anyway)
07:51 OldCoder http://tindeck.com/listen/tsjc
07:51 OldCoder I was given that song for doing so
07:51 OldCoder But there are two types of people
07:52 OldCoder Not the old joke
07:52 OldCoder about one type separates into type types and one does not
07:52 OldCoder I would exterminate
07:52 Zeno` 10 types!
07:52 OldCoder the second type that I see
07:52 OldCoder No
07:52 Krock > the WWII point    -> the World War 2 point?
07:52 OldCoder Two and two only
07:52 OldCoder WWII is WW2
07:52 OldCoder Those who operate
07:52 OldCoder based on perceptions
07:52 OldCoder cannot reason
07:52 OldCoder They are to be eaten
07:52 * OldCoder has no problem with the idea of eating animals
07:52 Zeno` John Nash has been killed
07:53 Krock are they at least tasty?
07:53 OldCoder I would not know yet
07:53 OldCoder I like the idea
07:53 OldCoder of finding out
07:53 OldCoder Who is John Nash?
07:53 Krock musician I guess
07:53 OldCoder All right
07:53 Krock died 2 days ago
07:53 Zeno` no, mathematician
07:53 OldCoder Krock If you wish to pursue the discussion, PM me.
07:53 OldCoder It is advised that you do not do so.
07:54 Zeno` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.
07:54 OldCoder
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08:04 Zeno` CWz_, have you heard from deezl?
08:07 OldCoder Krock, I have received a forum PM from you. I can't tell if you are foolish or what.
08:07 OldCoder If you genuinely wish my full attention
08:07 Zeno` I guess nobody is awake in #fedora or my question is too mundane lol
08:07 OldCoder PM me here and you shall have it
08:09 Krock OldCoder, I prefer to take some time to "collect my words". But if you wish to use the PM here, okay.
08:10 OldCoder Krock, I cannot read you. I do not know if you are genuinely foolish or what the situation is.
08:10 OldCoder The remarks in the forum PM were apparently intended to provoke me.
08:10 OldCoder They will not. But you have my attention.
08:10 OldCoder PM here if you wish.
08:10 Krock That's called constucive critism
08:10 OldCoder It is idiocy
08:11 OldCoder As you entirely missed the point.
08:11 OldCoder You are a European?
08:11 OldCoder Is this so?
08:11 OldCoder German, perhaps?
08:11 OldCoder Read your own Goddamn history
08:11 OldCoder Before you presume to lecture *me*
08:11 OldCoder
08:11 Krock OldCoder, location is on my GitHub and on the forum profile visible
08:11 OldCoder And your point is?
08:11 OldCoder Are you saying that the inquiry is unreasonable?
08:12 Zeno` Is this really a debate concerning the text size of a post?
08:12 OldCoder It is not
08:12 OldCoder It is about the Holocaust
08:12 OldCoder The burning of children in the flames
08:12 Krock Zeno`, once upon a time.. yes.
08:12 * Zeno` doesn't understand the connection, but carry on ;)
08:12 OldCoder There is no carry on
08:12 OldCoder He has been invited to PM and may do so if he wishes
08:13 OldCoder You people are young
08:13 OldCoder I am old and see my life drawing to a close
08:13 OldCoder I will bring meaning to it
08:13 * Krock puts this discussion into a wheelbarrow and tilts it into a landfill
08:13 OldCoder It is inadvisable
08:13 OldCoder to cross me into this
08:13 OldCoder F*ck you
08:13 OldCoder You initiated it
08:13 OldCoder You are not privileged
08:13 Krock and I closed it
08:13 OldCoder to suggest
08:13 OldCoder that to discuss your points was unreasonable
08:14 OldCoder You are a Nazi indeed
08:14 Zeno` I'm not exactly *that* young
08:14 OldCoder To me, you are
08:14 OldCoder No offense
08:14 OldCoder Our lives are so short
08:14 OldCoder Mayflies
08:14 Zeno` Perhaps I am nearing the end of my life also
08:14 OldCoder It can happen at 10 or 12 or 20
08:14 OldCoder That is not the point
08:14 OldCoder I have known many
08:14 OldCoder so many who are dead
08:14 OldCoder Corpses
08:15 OldCoder But somehow
08:15 OldCoder We don't pause to think
08:15 OldCoder Of how very limited our Time is
08:15 Zeno` I think about it all the time
08:15 OldCoder We think that we think; but it is rare
08:15 OldCoder Very well
08:15 OldCoder I will not presume to contradict that
08:15 OldCoder I will show you more respect than others have shown me this night
08:16 OldCoder If you wish to discuss what it all means, see me elsewhere as it suits you
08:16 OldCoder For my part
08:16 OldCoder Those who wish to piss upon the last days of my life
08:16 OldCoder Are in for surprises
08:16 OldCoder More than a few
08:16 OldCoder Understand this now
08:16 OldCoder :D
08:16 Zeno` I don't wish to debate anything though
08:17 OldCoder What is "debate" ? Most people are animals
08:17 OldCoder Beasts of the field
08:17 OldCoder Possibly Krock here... it depends on how he intended a forum PM
08:17 OldCoder I respect them no more than cattle
08:17 OldCoder Less; cattle are nice
08:17 OldCoder Burgers or not
08:17 OldCoder One does not "debate"
08:17 OldCoder a cow
08:17 OldCoder If you are feeling mortal
08:17 OldCoder I am the one to speak to
08:18 OldCoder I will tell you of what I encountere
08:18 OldCoder I will tell you of what I encountered *
08:18 Zeno` Ok, I don't wish to argue about anything at all. Certainly not about the cruelty and barbarity of civilisation (not belittling it, just acknowledging it)
08:18 OldCoder When I crossed over to the other side
08:18 OldCoder There is no "civilisation" Zeno`
08:18 OldCoder The notion is laughable
08:18 OldCoder One is here to conquer; to do as the animals do, those in packs
08:19 Zeno` An oxymoron. The most peaceful people I have thus far met in my life are referred to as savages by many
08:19 OldCoder To hurt, to kill; to do as one must
08:19 OldCoder Indeed
08:19 OldCoder This is no oxymoron
08:19 OldCoder I'd go back and kill many
08:19 OldCoder If I could
08:19 OldCoder Hm
08:19 OldCoder Subject for another venue
08:19 OldCoder I know what reality is now
08:19 OldCoder I have little tolerance for bullsh*t
08:19 OldCoder This is reasonable
08:20 OldCoder If you'd like to discuss what you have seen
08:20 OldCoder The parts around the corners
08:20 OldCoder See me
08:20 OldCoder Understand my own dilemma
08:20 OldCoder I am a literal autistic corner
08:20 OldCoder I am a literal autistic coder *
08:20 OldCoder But twice now
08:20 OldCoder My face has been brushed by the wings of the One Who Does Not Speak
08:20 OldCoder
08:21 hmmmm what the....
08:21 OldCoder He is actually there. It is sort of difficult to process.
08:21 OldCoder Hm? Late night stuff hmmmm
08:21 OldCoder Though it is your morning
08:21 OldCoder I did meet the Angel of Death, though
08:21 OldCoder He doesn't say much
08:21 OldCoder
08:22 OldCoder Not a chatty fellow at all :-)
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08:57 CWz kilbith seems to have removed all is repos
09:03 mccomase OldCoder i know how one gets around on that server now...you type /spawn 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.......each of those numbers is a different spawn location
09:04 OldCoder How many are there?
09:04 OldCoder CWz, this is why mirrors are best
09:05 OldCoder I spoke of this in #minetest-dev the other night
09:05 OldCoder Several seemed to agree
09:05 OldCoder mccomase, what is your feeling about the state of the world? Does losing tech seem to have damaged it much?
09:06 mccomase I dont think it has damaged it very much...it looks and plays great
09:06 OldCoder This is good to hear. Do you have an idea of the total number of spawns?
09:06 OldCoder And did you notice travelnet booths?
09:07 mccomase 7 spawns
09:07 OldCoder To 7 major cities or areas?
09:07 mccomase yes
09:07 OldCoder Do they have travelnets to other areas or noticed that yet?
09:08 mccomase yes
09:08 OldCoder So there is more to see...
09:08 mccomase ive been to airports
09:08 mccomase yes
09:08 OldCoder In game?
09:08 mccomase yes
09:08 OldCoder I will need to come in and look around
09:08 mccomase ok
09:08 OldCoder You wanted to build...
09:09 mccomase yeah
09:09 OldCoder Would you like to try
09:09 mccomase yes
09:09 OldCoder Twin Towers in New York City with Creative?
09:09 OldCoder It is not a job for kids
09:09 OldCoder And you
09:09 OldCoder are the only adult who has offered
09:09 OldCoder Creative and WorldEdit
09:09 OldCoder plus other privs of course
09:10 mccomase yes
09:10 OldCoder It is middle of the night where I am and still must do IRL work...
09:10 OldCoder See me soon during U.S. day for access
09:10 OldCoder It is an interesting challenge
09:10 OldCoder I think the original author used templates or software
09:10 OldCoder The existing city is pretty complex
09:10 mccomase yes
09:11 OldCoder But apparently Twin Towers are missing
09:11 OldCoder Perhaps we can put them back if you agree
09:11 mccomase yes
09:11 OldCoder See me during U.S. day and we may talk further about Landrush. If you want something that no kid is going to do, New York City will be it.
09:11 OldCoder You get a copy of the map of course
09:12 OldCoder Nothing you work on is to be lost
09:12 mccomase ok see you then
09:12 OldCoder I need to do some SQL work and sleep
09:12 OldCoder ttys o/
09:12 CWz anyway i have mirrored the money mod since there was no otehr fork on github https://github.com/ChaosWormz/minetest-money
09:13 OldCoder Hm
09:13 OldCoder What other mods did he have
09:13 OldCoder And what was the issue that disturbed him?
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09:24 CWz OldCoder: i have no idea
09:24 OldCoder Mod list? Maybe I have some
09:24 OldCoder xyz will have old copies
09:27 OldCoder CWz, realclocks still exists
09:28 CWz realclocks?
09:28 OldCoder https://github.com/HybridDog/realclocks
09:28 OldCoder He started it
09:28 OldCoder HybridDog has improved it
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09:29 OldCoder looks like money was most important mod
09:29 * CWz feels like hero
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09:30 OldCoder You are
09:30 OldCoder It is important to save things
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11:08 Telesight Jordach there is a typo in rule 2B
11:15 Jordach WAT
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11:30 Telesight Jordach a typ fault, nothing serious ...
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12:09 technomancy nice; getting a segfault calling meta:from_table({hello = "world"})
12:09 technomancy in a node's after_place function
12:11 Krock meta:from_table ??
12:11 technomancy yeah... it's not really documented except for here, so maybe I'm using it wrong?
12:11 technomancy http://dev.minetest.net/NodeMetaRef:from_table
12:12 technomancy http://p.hagelb.org/server.lua.html anything jump out as particularly stupid?
12:12 Krock look at the example, from_table is used for the complete inventory
12:14 Krock what exactly is your target? adding a value? an inventory?
12:16 technomancy I just want to do generic k/v storage
12:16 technomancy so the problem is the table I pass in has to have a specific structure that matches the example?
12:17 Krock meta:set_string("key", minetest.serialize({ hello = "world" }))
12:17 technomancy oh yeah, I see in the email now
12:17 Krock local my_table = minetest.deserialize(meta:get_string("key"));
12:17 technomancy I think metadata might be the wrong tool for this then
12:18 technomancy the tables can get on the large side, and they don't need to be sent to the clients
12:18 technomancy I just want to have them persist between server restarts, but maybe I need to handle that myself
12:18 Krock yes, use text files or somewhat else if possible
12:19 Krock data[node_pos] = {} -> serialize data and save that to a file, then load it on the next startup
12:20 technomancy yeah, looks like minetest.get_worldpath would make that easy.
12:20 technomancy cool; thanks
12:20 Krock np
12:20 technomancy then I just need to register a shutdown hook so the writes get flushed to disk
12:21 Krock protip: save it in intervals, just for the case when the server shuts down unexpected
12:21 technomancy yeah... that happens fairly frequently with my level of lua skill =)
12:22 Krock every fail makes you smarter, so don't worry - be happy!
12:25 technomancy heh
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12:28 technomancy is there a built-in function for converting a node pos into a value that can be used as a table key?
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12:38 Tekken magical-nodepos-to-tkey-converter
12:39 technomancy well I'm using local key_for = function(p) return "p" .. p.x .. "-" .. p.y .. "-" .. p.z end
12:39 technomancy but I'm sure I can't be the first person to need that function
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13:14 technomancy huh dang; the digiterm author looks to have switched to freeminer
13:15 technomancy I guess I won't be sending a pull request
13:15 technomancy zero stars and zero forks ಥ_ಥ
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13:40 CaveJohnson "Unlike Minetest it aims to make the game fun while trading off some bits of perfectionism."
13:40 CaveJohnson eh
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13:43 technomancy yeah, meh
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13:43 technomancy I don't want a fun game, I want an engine to use to build my own cool stuff
13:47 technomancy less shitty name tho
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14:02 jojoa1997 CaveJohnson what game?
14:02 CaveJohnson jojoa1997: freeminer
14:02 CaveJohnson not a game :P
14:02 CaveJohnson the engine
14:02 jojoa1997 ah
14:03 technomancy aw crap... can't coroutine.yield() in my mod or it brings down the whole server
14:04 technomancy I guess that means you can't do any kinds of queues?
14:06 CaveJohnson segfault?
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14:07 technomancy no just /home/phil/src/minetest/src/server.cpp:494: void Server::step(float): A fatal error occurred: ...inetest/bin/../games/calandri​a/mods/calandria/server.lua:24: attempt to yield across C-call boundary
14:07 ajaypay ?
14:07 ajaypay oh
14:07 CaveJohnson weird
14:08 ajaypay yeah.........
14:08 technomancy actually yeah... I know dronetest has used coroutines successfully
14:09 * ajaypay is a slow typer
14:09 ajaypay yes i am
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14:10 ajaypay yo tab
14:11 ajaypay i will be playing mt on trepca
14:11 ajaypay today
14:12 ajaypay um hello?
14:12 ajaypay ?
14:15 ajaypay does anyone know how to make infanite water and lava source?
14:15 ajaypay is it possible
14:15 ajaypay ?
14:16 ADFENO Yes.... Kind of...
14:16 ajaypay how?????
14:17 ADFENO Two ways: 1. Through [worldedit]'s //set default:water_source...
14:18 ajaypay i mean to make one
14:18 ADFENO 2. Use a water bucket diagonally to a lone water source, in the same height.
14:18 ajaypay ok
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14:19 ajaypay so thats how u do it
14:19 Telesight Hello I get a serialization error in version 0.4.12
14:19 ADFENO Problem is: It's not really "infinite" as any player can dig it with a bucket too, so ending the flowing water.
14:19 ajaypay k makes ¢ents
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14:20 Telesight The server is probably running a different version of Minetest
14:20 ADFENO Neighboring water sources won't be affected by the player's use of the bucket, that is, they will flow and join to form other water source.
14:20 Telesight That is not the case; mande with 0.4.12 and run with 0.4.12
14:20 Telesight made
14:22 ajaypay oh so it wont return after digging?
14:25 ajaypay ?
14:26 ajaypay ?
14:26 ajaypay hello?
14:27 ajaypay how do i make teleporters work
14:28 ajaypay on trepca
14:32 ajaypay ?
14:33 Krock ..teleporters??
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14:36 ajaypay yes
14:37 ajaypay teleporters
14:37 ajaypay anyone?
14:38 ajaypay ?
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14:39 Amaz ajaypay, please read the irc rules here: http://www.minetest.net/irc
14:39 Amaz Specifically the "Be patient when you ask something, people might not be around" one/
14:40 ajaypay k
14:40 ajaypay i am about to go on trepca
14:42 ajaypay i will be patents
14:42 ajaypay patient
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14:46 ajaypay thanx amaz
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14:50 ADFENO Oh my... Sorry for leaving all of a sudden...
14:51 ADFENO ajaypay: The water source DOES return, thanks to the neighboring water sources which converge in the same node.
15:03 Calinou https://lut.im/So6tWfbU/Av07JqC0
15:16 Telesight Hello I get a serialization error in version 0.4.12
15:17 Telesight The server is probably running a different version of Minetest
15:17 Telesight That is not the case; made with 0.4.12 and run with 0.4.12
15:17 Krock did you enable the strict protocol version checking?
15:18 Telesight I do not think so, where is that  setting?
15:18 Krock minetest.conf
15:18 Krock on the server
15:19 Telesight Yes , moment have to check this ...
15:19 Krock perhaps you're using a new 0.4.12-dev version as client or even 0.5.0
15:19 technomancy digiterm has this crazy thing where you press escape and it re-opens the form immediately
15:19 CWz 0.5.0 hasn't been touched in quite a while
15:19 technomancy you have to hold down esc for several seconds to get it to actually close
15:19 technomancy digging through the code to try and spot the bug, but does that sound familiar to anyone?
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15:21 Telesight NO I use stable
15:21 * VanessaE peeks in
15:21 Krock technomancy, why are you using spaces to intend?
15:21 Krock ouch, VanessaE, why?
15:21 VanessaE heh
15:21 VanessaE hi :)
15:21 Krock hi
15:22 Krock technomancy, you know, the space from a new line to the first character of the next line..
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15:23 Telesight I do not see a strict protocol setting in conf
15:23 Krock Telesight, are you using 0.4.12 stable?
15:23 Telesight Yes
15:23 Krock I mean, for server and client
15:23 Telesight Yes both
15:24 Krock that's strange...
15:24 technomancy Krock: because I hate tabs
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15:24 Krock technomancy, did they do something evil?
15:25 AndroidKris What's the difference in a solar panel and a solar array in the technic mod?
15:25 technomancy they only exist in order to support allowing different people to render code differently, which is pointless
15:26 Telesight I get; ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found!
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15:26 technomancy it's my code, if you want to read it, you can read it the way I intended it to be read
15:27 technomancy anyway, didn't come here to start a flame war
15:27 technomancy (but emacs rules)
15:27 VanessaE Telesight: that's easy to fix
15:27 Krock kill it with fire x.x
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15:28 Telesight Vanessa: Well I am excited ...
15:28 Telesight to hear ...
15:28 VanessaE Telesight: find the env_meta.txt for the world in question
15:28 VanessaE replace its contents (if any) with:
15:28 VanessaE game_time = 65987424
15:28 VanessaE time_of_day = 8000
15:28 VanessaE EnvArgsEnd
15:28 YvesLevier VanessaE: ;)
15:28 VanessaE hi YvesLevier
15:29 YvesLevier VanessaE: im with Calinou - brb sister
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15:29 VanessaE it doesn't really matter what values you plug in here as long as the file is formatted correctly.
15:30 Jordach wat?
15:30 VanessaE YvesLevier: huh?
15:31 Krock !c 65987424 / 3600 / 24
15:31 MinetestBot 763.7433333333333
15:31 Krock VanessaE, that are almost 3 years..
15:31 VanessaE Krock: that's probably milliseconds.
15:31 AndroidKris Correction on my last (and sorry for disconnecting) The Technic mod solar panels. What's the difference between the "Arrayed Solar LV generator" and the "Small Solar LV generator"?
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15:32 YvesLevier VanessaE: Im still stuck.  Unable to restart my server on my new disk.
15:32 VanessaE YvesLevier: it starts and then crashes, yes?
15:32 VanessaE as with last night
15:32 YvesLevier Yes
15:32 Krock Ah yes, miliseconds makes sense
15:32 YvesLevier VanessaE: i tried to install from repository
15:33 VanessaE YvesLevier: do not use the one in the official repository, it's outdated.
15:33 YvesLevier ...
15:33 VanessaE try doing:  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
15:33 YvesLevier VanessaE: on it
15:33 VanessaE that'll get today's build and it'll also update your other libraries as well
15:34 Telesight Vanessa, the server starts now: that is great. But one ends somewhere in "nothing" ...
15:34 VanessaE Telesight:  just  /teleport foo,bar,baz
15:34 VanessaE where foo/bar/baz are coords for someplace you're familiar with
15:34 AndroidKris Or shorten the command by: sudo apt-get update && upgrade
15:35 YvesLevier VanessaE: Then i put back my original /home/.minetest and /home/Yves/Desktop/Minetest
15:35 VanessaE AndroidKris: no.
15:35 YvesLevier VanessaE: then i update?
15:35 Calinou AndroidKris, just tried it, it doesn't work ;)
15:35 Calinou you get "unknown command: upgrade"
15:35 AndroidKris Ah, was wondering if someone had noticed me.lol
15:35 VanessaE YvesLevier: yeah, but remember that /home/Yves/Desktop/Minetest is an old build that you don't want to use yet.
15:35 VanessaE Calinou: see /msg
15:35 Calinou I saw it
15:36 YvesLevier kk
15:36 YvesLevier on it
15:39 Telesight Vanessa something like /teleport 100,100,100   ?
15:39 VanessaE Telesight: yeah
15:39 VanessaE most people start close to 0,0,0 so you could try there
15:39 VanessaE also, turn on fly and noclip
15:40 VanessaE as you might end up teleporting into the sky, or inside the ground
15:40 VanessaE (and if you do the latter, you'll end up only seeing blacvk)
15:40 VanessaE black*
15:41 YvesLevier VanessaE: done
15:41 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok, launch the server again
15:42 YvesLevier VanessaE: minetestserver --worldname StCamille
15:42 YvesLevier ?
15:42 VanessaE btw, anyone else know why he's only getting `minetest` (and hence needs to use --server) and not the standalone `minetestserver` with the PPA builds?
15:42 VanessaE minetest --server --worldname StCamille
15:42 YvesLevier on it
15:43 YvesLevier server started few errors no warning
15:43 YvesLevier VanessaE: ^
15:44 VanessaE ok
15:44 VanessaE er, looks like it never started.
15:44 YvesLevier we both look more fresh than this night VanE ;)
15:44 VanessaE pastebin the errors
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15:44 YvesLevier ok
15:45 VanessaE YvesLevier:  if you have to,  sudo apt-get remove minetest   and then go search through your system for traces of Minetest ( find / |grep -i minetest ) and delete anything you come across, and then  sudo apt-get install minetest
15:45 VanessaE (anything other than the stuff in your ~home of course)
15:46 YvesLevier VanessaE: dont worry - i did put all my old stuff on an NTFS partition cause of ownership
15:46 Telesight Vanessa I stay on 0,0,0 teleport to 100,100,100 and nothing happens
15:47 VanessaE Telesight: that's odd.  /teleport <foo> ought to put you somewhere sane
15:47 YvesLevier i did made a teleporter to 0,0,0  (had to dig)
15:47 YvesLevier brb i try VanE supress all
15:47 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok.  but remember you'll want to run your worlds from a native filesystem, not NTFS
15:48 YvesLevier VanessaE: Of course
15:48 YvesLevier NTFS only to keep a copy
15:48 VanessaE right
15:48 YvesLevier no other reason to keep that ;)
15:48 VanessaE not that ownership matters in a minetest tree, as long as you have write access.
15:49 Telesight Vanessa the command /teleport gives no execution
15:49 YvesLevier didnt take chances
15:49 VanessaE YvesLevier: next thing you need to do by the way is make sure your minetest_game is also up-to-date.
15:49 Telesight issued command ...
15:49 VanessaE Telesight: odd.
15:49 YvesLevier VanessaE: will remember
15:50 VanessaE YvesLevier: there is a security rewrite that went in, mods run inside a sandbox now -- it's possible you're running something that violates the sandbox, but which the engine isn't reporting properly when it crashes.
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15:51 YvesLevier VanessaE: Thats what Warnings (i finaly found) are telling
15:51 Telesight Vanessa I am locked at 0,0,0
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15:51 YvesLevier numerous warnings btw
15:51 VanessaE Telesight: sounds like your server crashed again
15:53 Telesight hmmm
15:53 YvesLevier VanessaE: i delete all them individualy?
15:54 YvesLevier lol too many copies
15:54 YvesLevier brb
15:54 VanessaE YvesLevier: as needed yeah - as long as what you're deleting is minetest-related.  you can  sudo rm -rf /some/minetest/dir  if you need to
15:54 YvesLevier thx
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15:55 VanessaE just be careful with what you delete
15:55 Telesight Error[Serverthread] : Got packet command ....
15:55 Telesight 50 for peer id 2 but client is nt active yet
15:56 VanessaE yep
15:56 VanessaE that's a disconnect
15:56 VanessaE just close your client and try again
15:56 VanessaE I've had the same thing happen on a couple of my servers due to player object being "deleted" with entities near it
16:04 Telesight Vanessa As single player in can loggin and move ...
16:04 Telesight I
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16:05 est31 VanessaE, thanks for reminding that I wanted to crunch that bug one day...
16:05 VanessaE est31: PLEASE DO!
16:05 YvesLevier VanessaE: im about to clone my original disk.  But for now im still on what you told me VanW
16:05 VanessaE that bug has all but killed my Creative server.
16:05 YvesLevier *VanessaE
16:05 VanessaE YvesLevier: wait what?
16:06 YvesLevier im have 2 disks - 1 is about to die and the other is new and fresh
16:06 VanessaE YvesLevier: yes, and you already installed your OS and minetest on the new disk I thought?
16:06 YvesLevier tempted to use Gparted and clone
16:07 YvesLevier i did but i dont mind to clone my old disk...  well... even im never sure of that
16:07 YvesLevier both 1Tb
16:07 VanessaE well you could clone from failing disk --> new disk  I guess
16:08 YvesLevier My clients wont have problems even they are newer release then my server.  Right?
16:08 YvesLevier *than
16:09 YvesLevier btw Heya est
16:09 VanessaE they should be fine
16:10 YvesLevier im out for a while then.  Cloning!
16:10 est31 gparted is a bit unsafe
16:10 est31 best is to use ddrescue I think
16:10 YvesLevier listening est
16:10 YvesLevier ddrescrue then
16:10 YvesLevier on it
16:10 est31 ddrescue has multiple features
16:10 est31 e.g. you can specify a logfile
16:11 est31 then you can stop copying mid-process
16:11 est31 also it works really well with disk erros
16:11 est31 errors*
16:11 est31 what gparted does is simple dd I think
16:11 est31 lemme see
16:11 YvesLevier i find it in depository?
16:12 est31 apt-get install gddrescue
16:12 YvesLevier thx
16:12 YvesLevier <---  didnt tell yet but : im about to get crazy
16:12 YvesLevier thx friends
16:12 VanessaE oh bou
16:12 VanessaE oh boy
16:12 VanessaE I hope you keep backups :)
16:13 YvesLevier installed nothing on my new disk i want to preserve
16:13 YvesLevier est31: im safe?
16:15 YvesLevier VanessaE: backups of my mental integrity?  What command for that plz
16:15 YvesLevier :P
16:15 VanessaE lol
16:16 YvesLevier est31: installed.  Now plz?
16:16 YvesLevier anyway i come back with my old disk
16:16 VanessaE YvesLevier: wait
16:17 YvesLevier VanessaE: Waiting
16:17 VanessaE you have to boot from a disk or partition that is not involved in the copy
16:17 est31 YvesLevier, you are sure both disks are unmounted?
16:17 VanessaE i.e. boot from a live USB image or so
16:17 est31 yup
16:17 YvesLevier kk
16:17 YvesLevier then i note down your "apt-get install gddrescue"  i will make from my key
16:18 YvesLevier Then will try open Thunderdird
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16:30 YvesLevier Im back on my old disk (note than by bad sectors were moved to something that looks as an USB hided device.
16:31 YvesLevier will your command (i forgot to note down) will work?
16:31 YvesLevier Est ^
16:31 VanessaE [05-25 12:19] <est31> apt-get install gddrescue \
16:31 VanessaE -\
16:31 YvesLevier Thx VanE
16:32 VanessaE you can't boot from that disk though
16:32 VanessaE you HAVE to boot from something that is not involved in the copy
16:32 VanessaE like a USB live image
16:32 YvesLevier yes im on it
16:32 YvesLevier running to buy an USB device atm
16:32 VanessaE pl
16:32 VanessaE ok
16:34 VanessaE just a cheap little 4-8 GB thumb drive is all you need, YvesLevier
16:35 VanessaE install an *ubuntu live image to it, as if you were gonna use the thumb drive to install a system (but you won't, you'll just boot from it to run those copy commands)
16:36 YvesLevier i begin by trying my old disk on minetest
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16:47 YvesLevier My original disk works perfect
16:47 YvesLevier installing U14.04 on my key
17:08 Telesight Vanessa I am afraid i have a memory fault with a laptop on which the minetest server was build ...
17:08 VanessaE Telesight: ouch
17:08 Telesight Yes bye laptop
17:08 VanessaE well one would hope you'll try to fix it first :)
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17:09 VanessaE memory on some laptops is replaceable/upgradeable
17:09 Telesight It hangs on the Ubuntu memory check
17:09 Telesight not good
17:10 VanessaE time to get a screwdriver I guess :P
17:11 est31 very very interesting
17:11 VanessaE ?
17:11 Telesight I think there was a crash that destroyed the world ...
17:11 est31 the moment I start minetest, my desktop stops working
17:11 Telesight est13 Memory test I advice ...;-)
17:11 VanessaE eep
17:11 est31 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+​source/plasma-desktop/+bug/1455278
17:12 est31 now I know what causes that bug :)
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17:51 VanessaE bbl
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18:16 ElectronLibre zat, any news about your subgame?
18:17 ElectronLibre By the way I just found out that loggingbot_ can record parts, but not quits..
18:17 zat ElectronLibre: I will make it available in my own git repo today I expect but I am being annoyed by a client of a client
18:18 zat guess what, a health insurance company asked us to install a "social platform" or their employees.
18:18 zat now their manager of that project, a really annoying woman, strikes again with her enlightening ideas.
18:18 zat she wants all users be friends of all users.
18:19 zat for* their employees (I meant)
18:20 ElectronLibre People with differents ideas. Sometimes some forget that other people have to find out how to code and deploy their silly or complex ideas.
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18:20 zat It just took an insert with a select and a join, pretty simple, but the idea is plain silly
18:21 zat it simply defeats the purpose of having a friends list
18:21 ElectronLibre If everyone is friend with everyone, then, yes, they are not really friends.
18:21 zat probably in her fantasy word whose server is running in her mind, all are good friends
18:21 zat and she is not annoying also
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18:22 ElectronLibre Maybe, but this is not the reality.
18:22 zat :P
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18:32 Kenney Hai guys
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18:36 blaise !up midnightsystems.net
18:37 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 seems to be down
18:37 blaise Gah
18:37 blaise oh well
18:37 blaise lmao
18:37 blaise I'm going to have to get a nice shell to host it I guess
18:37 blaise that's cool though
18:37 blaise XD
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18:54 Krock If you're ever bored, try to understand this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wik​ipedia/commons/d/d7/8-cell.gif
18:54 Kenney my brain just melted
18:54 Krock gawd no, why didn't I post it earlier?
18:55 ElectronLibre Good illusion.
18:55 Kenney ugh, trying to make leaves on trees look good in the distance
18:55 Krock that's a 4D .. thing displayed with a 3D rotation on a 2D screen
18:56 Kenney http://puu.sh/i0df5/667bc9921f.jpg
18:56 Krock Kenney, turn on antialiasing
18:56 Kenney due to some kind of issue they get white in the distance, probably related to anti alias
18:56 ElectronLibre I personally also like this one : https://lut.im/TZd5Hz2B/pHmYY745
18:56 Kenney well, it's all up in that screenshot
18:56 Amaz That gave me a headache Krock! Bad Krock!
18:56 Krock Amaz, np.
18:57 Krock ElectronLibre, I've seen this about a month ago... great stuff! Infinite coffee!
18:57 Krock ..and cookies
18:57 ElectronLibre Infinite cookies \o/
18:57 Amaz But Krock, they become sooooo small as you go further and further down....
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18:57 Kenney Compared to Minecraft; http://puu.sh/i0dnM/9577bc3540.jpg
18:58 Krock Amaz, imagine the real size is at 200 loops. Omg that cookie mass
18:58 Krock Kenney, can shaders or any other filters help to solve this visual problem?
18:59 Amaz :D
18:59 Kenney I have no clue, not sure what the issue is called or what makes it happen
18:59 Kenney Low quality transparency? low anti-alias in distance? ...no idea
19:00 Kenney been bugging me since I started using Minetest
19:00 Kenney something like high anti-alias in the distance could fix it, OR, allow for alternative distance textures which aren't transparent
19:02 sfan5 <Kenney> due to some kind of issue they get white in the distance, probably related to anti alias
19:02 sfan5 mip mapping possibly
19:02 Kenney That's turned on in my configuration though
19:02 Amaz Something around this area of minetest.conf might fix it: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blo​b/master/minetest.conf.example#L209-L224
19:03 Kenney alright, gonna tinker - gimme a sec
19:03 Kenney oh wow
19:03 Kenney texture_clean_transparent = true
19:03 Kenney that absolutely did the trick
19:04 Kenney before/after: http://puu.sh/i0dS8/31bfe7972c.jpg
19:05 Amaz That looks a lot better!
19:05 sfan5 nice
19:05 sfan5 imo the opaque water looks weird
19:05 Calinou make sure your transparent pixels are green-ish
19:05 sfan5 but that's personal preference
19:05 Calinou and not black or white
19:05 Kenney Ah well there aren't any semi-transparent pixels in there
19:05 Kenney I guess Photoshop optimizes the textures in a rather bad way
19:06 Kenney also yes, opaque water is weird
19:06 Kenney makes it look like a SNES game of sorts
19:06 Calinou looks like Quake 1
19:06 sfan5 photoshop probably does what any sane application does: set the color in completly transparent pixels to black
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19:06 Calinou but in that game, pros whine when you make water transparent :)
19:07 Kenney Had no idea transparent pixels had a color in PNG...what I lousy designer I am
19:07 Calinou s/designer/Photoshop user :P
19:08 ElectronLibre Ok, I need opinions from experimented MT modders : would it be useful to have multiple command names for one function or just a plain waste of code and clarity in the commandlist. (I'm trying to proving to someone it's a bad idea to have multiple command names for one action).
19:08 Kenney actually draw all of voxus' textures in MS Paint
19:08 Kenney the Win XP version, the one after that sucks
19:08 sfan5 you might enjoy paint.net
19:09 sfan5 890 kbps connection speed to youtube again, great! (not.)
19:09 Kenney nah, tried it, after 10 years of pixelart in MS Paint you can't really switch to anything else
19:09 Kenney for better or for worse
19:10 Calinou multiple commands for one action = leads to inconsistency
19:10 Kenney ^
19:10 ElectronLibre Thank you Calinou.
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19:16 Sokomine hm. it's a pity there's no good upload method right now for pictures. hm. well...forum attachment...that might do
19:17 Kenney imgur.com is brilliant, otherwise puu.sh for quick shares
19:17 Calinou use lut.im
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19:23 Kenney Quick question; in the settings you can enable 'node highlighting' but it always seems to make the halo.png picture white transparent
19:23 Kenney Any way to disable that, and just show the picture without any transparency?
19:27 Sokomine does any of these work without javascript? that's usually my problem
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19:36 Kenney Alright, up next; slightly different tinted trees. http://puu.sh/i0gmb/52e710f291.jpg
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19:44 Sokomine kenney: hm. they look very similar to the grass. but it's hard to tell; it may look totally different if you move around. anyway: very nice colors and textures!
19:47 Kenney They do a bit
19:48 Kenney http://puu.sh/i0htR/ec32f303b6.jpg
19:48 Kenney Need to tweak the colors though
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19:51 Sokomine Kenney: oh! that looks very nice. the diffrent colors of the leaves contribute a lot
19:51 Kenney Yep, now make the map generator randomly rotate the leave nodes - that will make sure you don't see repeating textures so much
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21:17 YvesLevier Minetest operational.  100% operational on my new disk.  THANKS EVERYBODY <3
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21:34 YvesLevier In few, i will invite you to - seen - how your work was usefull in order to make virtual what look like our true village.  Impossible thing out of the excellent work youre making VanE :)
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21:38 YvesLevier maybe my last sentence not real english.  Hoping you can guess what im telling ;)
21:45 Kenney Putting together an extensive list of eye candy features for Minetest
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21:55 Kenney Done! https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=12261
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22:45 Kenney Last progress pic of the day, made really good progress http://puu.sh/i0uo1/74df8207b1.jpg
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23:05 YvesLevier Dont ask me how i did that but im always in smog!  someone can help plz?
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23:07 YvesLevier Also i would want to change language
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23:32 zat a thing that Minetest REALLY needs is on-demand block registration with clients.
23:40 est31 what do you mean?
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23:51 zat having every block in the server with all their textures downloaded upon connection is horrible
23:51 OldCoder Hm? Textures are downloaded but not the blocks I think.
23:51 * OldCoder is on errands
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23:54 zat OldCoder: probably not their definitions but their textures alone are too much
23:54 zat they should come on demand
23:54 zat that would so end with connection issues
23:57 * Sokomine stares at a world covered in glass

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