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00:00 tomlukeywood do you think i could run minetest on a 400mhz cpu?
00:00 tomlukeywood arm v4
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00:04 twoelk this game among others is designed for low spec servers https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=9192
00:06 RealBadAngel rotfl, unbeliveable what hidden things you can see with minimapper
00:07 RealBadAngel hmmmm, have you coded desert chicken in mapgen? http://i.imgur.com/V40VEup.jpg
00:08 VanessaE cock-a-doodle-do.
00:08 Chanku lel
00:08 * twoelk uses the minetestmapper to map minecart systems
00:08 hmmmm huh?
00:08 Chanku Hrm....
00:09 RealBadAngel hmmmm, so whats that if not a chicken? ;)
00:10 hmmmm it looks like a random patch of mapgen v6 terrain
00:10 VanessaE RealBadAngel: looks more like a tyrannosaurus chicken ;)
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00:11 RealBadAngel whatever it is, it has legs and seems to be running ;)
00:11 usandfriends It's hard to look around, latest version, MacOSX
00:12 usandfriends Like when I move my mouse horizontally, it just stops at random places.
00:16 usandfriends It might be the rendering...
00:16 twoelk http://i.imgur.com/63001eo.png <- not uptodate map of rails on VE-C
00:17 est31 nice
00:17 twoelk RealBadAngel: maybe your minimap could show a subway plan
00:18 est31 meh, no
00:18 est31 far too specialized
00:18 est31 already now minimap has too much nodes
00:18 VanessaE twoelk: it already has a "radar" mode
00:19 VanessaE twoelk: it's interesting - I didn't know the subway system on VE-C had gone out that far.
00:19 VanessaE too bad carts suck
00:19 usandfriends Where do I file bugs?
00:19 VanessaE usandfriends: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new
00:19 est31 usandfriends, for minetest or minetest_game?
00:20 usandfriends I'm guessing minetest.
00:20 est31 what is your bug?
00:21 usandfriends Scaling on OSX is messed up. The menu inputs do not scale properly. I have to click in the same place as before the scale to select the menu items.
00:21 est31 thats a minetest bug yes
00:21 est31 best to have a screenshot
00:22 usandfriends And how about the scrolling bug? Scrolling is not smooth, it stops at random places.
00:22 usandfriends I think it may have to do with rendering blocking the thread, assuming scrolling handler and renderer are on the same thread.
00:22 est31 scrolling? in which way?
00:23 usandfriends Sorry not scrolling, looking around.
00:23 est31 ah
00:23 usandfriends Moving my mouse.
00:23 est31 yea
00:23 usandfriends Mind, this is all on OSX.
00:23 est31 yes that is because its the same thread
00:24 est31 your FPS is just simply low
00:24 est31 try to set the graphics settings down
00:24 est31 and for the scaling bug, a screenshot would be great
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00:31 usandfriends est31: So I turned off all the options in Settings, it's still really hard to look around.
00:32 usandfriends I also quit all my other applications except my client and Minetest.
00:35 twoelk VanessaE: another version, more recent but less of the map http://i.imgur.com/hajVySk.png
00:36 VanessaE wow
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00:36 twoelk note the streams and the hidden irrigation under my weheat field in the north
00:36 twoelk +wheat
00:36 VanessaE yep, I see them
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03:00 mccomase Oldcoder can i be a builder on one of your servers im 22 and a great builder
03:01 OldCoder mccomase, yes
03:01 OldCoder Stop jumping around :P
03:01 OldCoder I assume you mean moderator or admin
03:01 OldCoder Since anybody can be a "builder"
03:01 mccomase just builder
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03:01 OldCoder well, sure
03:01 mccomase thank you
03:01 OldCoder Care to come help clean up Landrush or Finerealms?
03:01 OldCoder these are unusual worlds
03:02 mccomase ok cool
03:02 OldCoder See me in Landrush perhaps
03:02 OldCoder To start
03:02 OldCoder You can help revive
03:02 OldCoder a noble world
03:02 mccomase tok
03:02 OldCoder If you do mccomase I will offer you some deals
03:05 mccomase cool
03:05 mccomase im in the server
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03:16 blaise hrmm
03:35 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Biome API, mgv7: Increase heat/humidity spreads. Improve mgv7 noise parameters 774e5d1 http://git.io/vT5sC (2015-05-24T04:33:09+01:00)
04:01 Chanku hmmm
04:02 * Chanku tries to think of how to do something in this mod of mine....
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08:02 Krock Pilot feature: User avatars displayed next to the author name ( http://nimg.pf-control.de/M​Tstuff/modSearch.php?q=map )
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11:52 ajaypay does anyone know how to work travelnet boxes
11:53 ElectronLibre Lifts or teleporters?
11:53 ajaypay teleporters
11:54 ElectronLibre If I remember correctly you have to give them a channel or something like that, and then a number or a name, then you go back to the previous travel boxes with the same channel and refresh the list.
11:55 ajaypay so are they hard to use?
11:55 ElectronLibre No.
11:55 ajaypay ok
11:56 ElectronLibre You enter, the door close, a GUI open, you click a button, you're teleported, then the door open, and you're free.
11:56 ajaypay i biult some on trepca and they didnt work
11:57 ajaypay k
11:57 ElectronLibre Maybe they were lifts, then you have to place them in the same vertical axis.
11:57 ajaypay the poblic one does that
11:58 ajaypay no it was whit box
11:58 ElectronLibre Well, they were teleport boxes then.
11:58 ajaypay ok
11:58 ElectronLibre I've not used this mod since a while, I should look at it again.
12:00 ajaypay so it neds a mese block and i cant find one
12:01 ajaypay my geus is that there in the ground.
12:02 ajaypay the mod is cool though
12:06 ajaypay how do you herd sheep in an encosure ?mine always disapear
12:07 ElectronLibre Keeping animals in a closed cage or in an enclosure is complicated, they might disappear because they lifetime is over, or after a clearobjects. It's very complicated and I don't have a clue.
12:08 ElectronLibre s/they/their
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12:18 CWz https://play.google.com/store/apps​/details?id=org.magichet.magichet um no source for this one it seems maybe i missed it
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12:42 Zeno` ugh, internet is still broken :(
12:42 Zeno` fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git/': Could not resolve host: github.com
12:42 Zeno` stupid POS
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12:43 marytheminer_ hi is anybody there?
12:43 * Zeno` looks
12:43 Zeno` hmm
12:43 VanessaE hi
12:43 marytheminer_ hey
12:44 Zeno` not that I can see. /me looks under the bed. AHA! A VanessaE is here
12:44 Zeno` she obviously cannot sleep again :(
12:44 marytheminer_ :000 im talking to moderators!!
12:44 VanessaE actually I did sleep, just not much
12:44 * Zeno` is a moderator
12:44 Zeno` well, I am moderately moderate
12:44 marytheminer_ i slept well
12:45 marytheminer_ Zeno: lol
12:45 Zeno` meh, it's 9AM for you VanessaE
12:45 Zeno` early bird catches the worm. That's my motto
12:45 marytheminer_ it's 9:01 for me
12:45 Zeno` I don't like worms though so you can eat them all
12:45 VanessaE you can keep those worms for yourself :P
12:45 marytheminer_ blech
12:46 marytheminer_ yeah please
12:46 Zeno` lol, I watched a cooking show the other night and they cooked baby eels
12:46 Zeno` they kinda looked like worms
12:46 marytheminer_ eeeeeeeeewwwwwwww
12:46 est31 worms provide precious nutrition. too bad I've eaten today already
12:46 marytheminer_ i never eat wierd stuff
12:46 Zeno` that's correct est31!
12:46 Zeno` est31, do you never sleep either?
12:47 Zeno` sheesh, I get the flu, spend a week in bed and everyone has gone stark raving mad
12:47 est31 I'm planning to
12:47 marytheminer_ heehee
12:47 est31 (not getting mad, sleeping)
12:47 Zeno` est31, that warning should be fixed
12:47 Zeno` I'll fix it if you want
12:47 est31 which warning?
12:47 VanessaE I was already crazyu :)
12:47 VanessaE -u
12:47 est31 the srp warning?
12:47 marytheminer_ what warning?
12:47 Zeno` *nod*
12:47 est31 ah yea
12:47 est31 srp is external code
12:47 Zeno` grrr
12:48 marytheminer_ you are talking code
12:48 est31 so you should ask the upstream maintainer to fix it :)
12:48 est31 like ... me :p
12:48 Zeno` grrr
12:48 Zeno` i am a lion!
12:48 marytheminer_ :)
12:48 est31 btw thats a clang warning isnt it?
12:48 marytheminer_ lions cant type
12:48 Zeno` I think it's a glibc warning
12:49 est31 bc I don't get it
12:49 Zeno` (i.e. has warn_unused parameter set for the fn prototype or something)
12:49 VanessaE marytheminer_: sure they can, with a big enough keyboard ;)
12:49 est31 and travis doesnt get it either
12:49 Zeno` maybe different glibc version
12:49 marytheminer_ neither do i
12:49 marytheminer_ glibc?
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12:50 marytheminer_ oh is that it?
12:51 marytheminer_ hey where did everybody go?
12:51 marytheminer_ wierd.
12:51 VanessaE we're all still here, mary
12:51 est31 so Zeno` you can push to upstream repo now
12:51 marytheminer_ oh. you must have pretty long answers
12:51 est31 and fix the warning
12:52 * Zeno` cooks breakfast for VanessaE and marytheminer_. Scrambled eggs (with a squeeze of orange juice... seriously), crispy bacon, mushrooms and toast made from freshly baked bread
12:52 Zeno` enjoy!
12:52 VanessaE mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
12:52 marytheminer_ yum
12:52 marytheminer_ *licks llips*
12:52 Zeno` I can push to upstream?
12:52 est31 look into your github notifications
12:52 * Zeno` looks
12:53 Zeno` if it'll load :/
12:53 marytheminer_ im leaving to enjoy my yummy food :)
12:53 Jordach_ don't tempt the people who like eating in here
12:53 Zeno` haha :)
12:53 marytheminer_ :D
12:53 Zeno` (that is seriously what I had this morning for breakfast)
12:53 VanessaE come over here and cook breakfast for us ;)
12:54 Zeno` I would if I could
12:54 Zeno` I am master breadmaker now
12:54 Zeno` est31, cool :)
12:54 Wayward_Tab Good morning/evening :)
12:54 VanessaE hi
12:54 Zeno` yo Wayward_One
12:59 * CWz is compileing a few of the minetest andriod clones for linux
13:00 CWz for no reason
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13:00 marytheminer im back
13:00 Zeno` haha CWz
13:00 Zeno` wb marktraceur
13:00 Zeno` err marktraceur aka marytheminer
13:00 VanessaE tab complete FAIL :)
13:00 marytheminer :)
13:00 marytheminer i *think* my bro ajaypay is coming too
13:00 CWz PROTOCOL_VERSION 21: is version 0.4.9 correct?
13:01 marytheminer dnt ask me idont know
13:01 Zeno` VanessaE, heh
13:01 VanessaE no idea, CWz, but that does sound about right
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13:02 marytheminer oh here he is
13:02 Zeno` hello marytheminer's brother
13:02 ajaypay :)
13:02 ajaypay hi
13:02 marytheminer hes chatting on a non touch kindle so his responses will take longer :)
13:03 ajaypay yup
13:03 marytheminer oh & btw just call me mary
13:03 Zeno` When I'm on my android it takes me 10 minutes to type "hi"
13:04 Wayward_Tab Lol
13:04 Calinou nice Fedora 21, Zeno` :P
13:05 Zeno` seriously. That's why I never chat using Android
13:05 Zeno` Calinou, correct! I am not on my Android atm otherwise I wouldn't be chatting hehe
13:05 ajaypay i know what u mean same here zeno
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13:06 Zeno` marytheminer, there is an impostor here
13:06 marytheminer_ there was an error so i left & came back
13:06 Zeno` oh
13:06 Zeno` how do we know it's really you?
13:06 marytheminer_ my screen froze
13:06 Zeno` must be cold there
13:06 marytheminer_ we were talking about andriods
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13:07 Zeno` yeah, androids are going to take over the world. /me panics
13:07 CWz had to do some patching with 0.4.9 to get the WorldCraft for andriod to start compileing. unsurprisingly it failed despite this
13:07 Zeno` WorldCraft?
13:07 Wayward_Tab Eww
13:07 marytheminer_ gotta go; church! :) seeya
13:08 CWz maybe it's a dev build of 0.4.9
13:08 VanessaE last worldcraft I saw was 0.4.10
13:08 Wayward_Tab yeah, that's what most of the clones are
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13:09 CWz but it's client server protocol is for 0.4,9 or for pre server to client ready
13:09 Zeno` attack of the clones
13:09 CWz this is what what i found in their repo
13:09 ajaypay_ ?
13:09 Zeno` androids most likely... I warned you they'd take over the world
13:09 ajaypay_ ?
13:10 VanessaE ajaypay_: we're discussing programming.
13:10 Zeno` are we?
13:10 Zeno` lol
13:10 ajaypay_ bye
13:10 Zeno` I lose track so easily :(
13:10 CWz https://github.com/gameabc/worldcraft
13:10 ajaypay_ o il stay
13:11 ajaypay_ hey v
13:11 VanessaE hi.
13:11 CWz Hey Zeno` how are you?
13:11 ajaypay_ so what type of programing?
13:12 Wayward_Tab CWz, here's an idea- try building the Freeminer apk :P
13:12 VanessaE ajaypay_: random.
13:13 ajaypay_ k
13:13 CWz Not building apk's i am ported (sort of) squeakcraft and Multicraft to linux
13:13 ajaypay_ i have 2 go now
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13:14 CWz i think to to get an legit Worldcraft android we would need a real programer who can compile without cmake
13:14 CWz aka notme
13:15 Wayward_Tab Ah, ok. I thought you were building apks
13:19 CWz well gave up on worldcraft it appear to be a mess
13:19 Wayward_Tab Heh
13:20 CWz getting lua error on start up
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13:44 TheWild maybe stupid question but how to update minetest repository locally completely discarding any of my changes in single command?
13:45 Krock git pull?
13:46 ElectronLibre git add . && git reset --hard HEAD && git pull origin master
13:46 VanessaE git reset --hard HEAD ; git pull
13:46 Krock ..or something between the two abrove
13:46 Krock *above
13:48 TheWild ok, thanks
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13:52 TheWild documenting network protocol on my own goes pretty sluggish. Are there serious changes to the protocol planned? (e.g. breaking compatibility)
13:53 VanessaE there are.
13:53 * VanessaE pokes est31
13:53 TheWild I'm not sure when I ever finish it, will it be still revelant?
13:53 VanessaE depends on how long you take :)
13:55 est31 TheWild, no breaking compatibility is planned
13:55 VanessaE oh?
13:55 est31 of course, over some time, given enough people switch to newer versions, we might drop old protocols
13:55 est31 but there is no total break
13:55 est31 as in
13:55 VanessaE est31: when did that change?
13:56 est31 git repo version abc  doesnt work with repo version def
13:56 CWz 0.4.3 clients can still join 0.4.12
13:56 est31 where abc is a parent of def
13:56 est31 yes
13:56 est31 and they should still work with 0.4.12-dev
13:56 Telesight Hello
13:56 est31 VanessaE, quite some time ago
13:56 est31 even before I changed protocol
13:57 Telesight I copied a world from one machine to another
13:57 est31 there was once this discussion with nrz
13:57 est31 and there he said he'll try to find a way to retain compat
13:57 Telesight but I cannot enter the the copied world
13:57 est31 so since then the idea has been dropped
13:57 VanessaE guess I missed that part :)
13:57 Telesight I think he keeps the ip adress soemwhere
13:58 VanessaE he?
13:58 VanessaE maybe you mean "it" ..
13:58 VanessaE anyway no, worlds don't do that.
13:58 Calinou what happens when you try to enter it? what error message do you get?
13:58 VanessaE if you can't load a world, either your build lacks map compatibility e.g. leveldb vs sqlite, or you lack the proper mods
13:58 VanessaE or the world is corrupted.
13:59 Telesight In fact I made a clone, I can start that server/world
13:59 est31 TheWild, interesting, you document the protocol?
13:59 Telesight But from other macines on my lan I can not enter
13:59 est31 which base version do you use?
13:59 est31 latest git?
13:59 est31 or sth else?
13:59 Telesight It stays in "Connecting server"
14:00 VanessaE Telesight: and you're sure your other boxes are reaching the right IP address and port?
14:00 Telesight I use version 0.4.11
14:00 VanessaE outdated.
14:00 TheWild 0.4.12, that one officially released
14:00 VanessaE but irrelevant here
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14:01 VanessaE (and est31's question was to TheWild, not you Telesight)
14:01 Telesight If I make  aworld on a laptop directly there is no problem with reaching the server
14:01 est31 TheWild, protocol (especially early protocol) did change with version 25, FYI
14:01 VanessaE Telesight: but are you running the world in server/multiplayer mode or in singleplayer?
14:01 Telesight I give laptops a static ipaddress
14:01 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minet​est/blob/master/src/clientiface.h
14:02 Telesight I use the "Server" tab
14:02 TheWild it seems I was documenting 24
14:02 VanessaE Telesight: but what about the port number?
14:02 est31 25 is less than a month in official git
14:03 est31 either way most of my changes are documented by changes inside that file I linked
14:03 Telesight I use standard 30000
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14:03 est31 just compare it with this TheWild https://github.com/minetest/minet​est/blob/0.4.12/src/clientiface.h
14:05 est31 hrmmm
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14:06 est31 I think I'll tidy up the arrows in that file
14:07 Telesight Moment I check the ipadress ...
14:16 Telesight arrg, beginners fault. It was a router setting
14:16 Telesight I initially used the "wire" to connect and then wireless and that is another MAC
14:17 Telesight So I reserved an ipadress to the wired part
14:17 Telesight in my router
14:20 Telesight So you can clone a world to another machine but be sure to point to the correct ipadress of that machine ;-)
14:24 Telesight So two kids happy ;-)
14:28 VanessaE that would help :)
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14:30 rubenwardy Hi all!
14:32 VanessaE hey
14:32 est31 hi
14:35 Telesight VanessaE: I thought maybe with cloning a world the ipadress of the original machine is set somewhere, but  that is not the case I experienced now
14:35 VanessaE nope.
14:36 Telesight Those routers are not always clear in giving the right machine ...
14:37 VanessaE I'm glad I don't have to rely on a router :P
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14:46 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Small clientiface ASCII art improvements 6b7fb59 http://git.io/vTFLx (2015-05-24T16:33:22+02:00)
14:48 Telesight Is there a ppa fro Ubuntu with the latest Minetest?
14:48 Telesight for
14:48 VanessaE https://launchpad.net/~minetestd​evs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds
14:49 VanessaE or ubuntu/stable if you just want 0.4.12
14:50 Telesight I prefer the stable version
14:52 Telesight That means: ppa:minetestdevs/stable
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15:01 Telesight Mods are not (too) version dependend?
15:01 VanessaE they can be
15:01 VanessaE but not usually
15:02 rubenwardy Does "flush" in technical terms mean to retrieve from a buffer and then clear the buffer?
15:02 VanessaE just depends if the mod in question uses some new feature that old versions of minetest don't have
15:02 VanessaE rubenwardy: yes, usually.
15:02 Telesight VanessaE, ok as in all software with modules ...;-)
15:02 VanessaE read the buffer, clear it, and reset your pointers
15:02 rubenwardy awesome
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15:08 VanessaE bbl
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15:11 TheWild Now it's time for my honest opinion about chunk format.
15:11 TheWild After header, there are two zlib-compressed parts: first for blocks in general (param0, param1 and param2) and second for its metadata.
15:11 TheWild However there is a slight drawback: no size of compressed data is provided. Minetest is dealing with it pretty well, but lack of few additional bytes makes from simple task an unnecessary challenge for other programmers doing their work in other languages.
15:11 TheWild PHP has gzuncompress function. However, it does not report anything about how much bytes were taken from input (or at least requires dirty and slow workaround).
15:11 TheWild In .NET, I've tested two libraries: Ionic.Zlib (aka DotNetZip) and ZlibNet.
15:12 TheWild Ionic.Zlib reads too much from input stream (buffering, caching or what) but at least properly gives the number of bytes read.
15:12 TheWild ZlibNet is flawed in both cases.
15:14 Krock 7zip ftw
15:16 est31 very cool TheWild that you do this deep research
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15:37 rubenwardy ffs
15:37 rubenwardy 16:34:06: WARNING: Undeclared global variable "PROXY" accessed at /usr/local/share/lua/5.1/socket/http.lua:189
15:37 Krock lol
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15:51 rubenwardy ...enwardy/dev/minetest/bin/../b​uiltin/common/serialize.lua:190: attempt to call method 'byte' (a nil value)
15:52 rubenwardy nevermind
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15:55 rubenwardy Grrr
15:55 rubenwardy 1. I tried to give this table to it: {  "value to deserialise" }
15:56 rubenwardy 2. The value to deserialise didn't start with return
15:56 rubenwardy WHY IS THAT NEEDED?
15:56 rubenwardy That belongs in the domain of hacky javascript AJAX or whatever
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16:04 blaise lmao
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16:20 ajaypay hey mtm
16:21 marytheminer hey!!
16:21 marytheminer didnt know u were on
16:21 marytheminer gabby's helping us clean our room
16:21 marytheminer what are you doing?
16:22 ajaypay do you think i should expand our  area?
16:22 marytheminer eeeh its kinda big already
16:22 marytheminer doncha think?
16:22 ajaypay listning to dubstep
16:22 marytheminer i can hear it from here
16:23 marytheminer were going downstairs now
16:23 ajaypay hey your typing too fast
16:23 marytheminer heehee
16:24 Calinou move to a PM, use /query
16:24 marytheminer ok
16:24 ajaypay ?
16:25 marytheminer we arent really talking anything minetesty so he said move to a PM
16:27 rubenwardy I get netest_web_panel/data/serverte​st/worldmods/mwcp/init.lua:75: unexpected symbol near 'if' on https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/2cbf​8ea1867c86835a9d#file-gistfile1-txt-L78
16:27 init yes
16:28 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/2cbf​8ea1867c86835a9d#file-gistfile1-txt-L75 sorry
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16:30 rubenwardy seriously?
16:31 rubenwardy the fix was   if true then return end
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16:31 notanewbie Hey
16:31 ajaypay yo peps
16:32 ajaypay peeps
16:32 notanewbie He cant spell
16:32 notanewbie Just so you know...
16:32 ajaypay ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
16:32 notanewbie Hes my bro I should know.
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16:40 CWz would a camera rotation like this be useful in minetest?
16:41 Krock camera rotations are only good and frequently used in animations/vidos
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17:19 asie hello again
17:19 asie i'm frustrated with the other community again
17:20 asie but now i managed to relicense new BuildCraft textures *cough*
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17:22 rubenwardy the other community?
17:22 asie minecraft modding.
17:22 rubenwardy ah
17:22 asie my only issues with minetest still remain: (a) no way to allow for dynamic server->client model sending
17:22 asie and (b) no lua equivalent of coffeescript
17:22 rubenwardy Like dynamic mesh nodes?
17:22 asie yes
17:22 asie i requested that ages ago
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17:23 rubenwardy moonscript is a similar thing to coffeescript, but meh
17:23 asie i meant an equivalent, not a similar thing
17:23 asie vanilla lua is hard to wor kon
17:26 Jordach_ asie, i'm more angry at this API for not having things i need
17:26 asie Jordach_: i'd rather have a limited API than a shitty API
17:27 rubenwardy !g minetest stress
17:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-03-20
17:27 rubenwardy !g minetest stress github
17:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
17:27 rubenwardy ffs
17:28 rubenwardy https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress
17:28 rubenwardy https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stres​s/blob/master/examples/simple/init.lua
17:29 asie add them
17:29 rubenwardy to what?
17:29 asie to stress API
17:29 asie if you say it doesn thave things you need
17:30 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2719
17:30 Calinou idspispopd!
17:30 rubenwardy I don't understand
17:30 Jordach_ asie, i mean graphical methods that i require
17:30 rubenwardy Minetest stress is like jQuery
17:30 Calinou what does vanilla Lua miss, asie?
17:30 Calinou stuff like != and 0-indexing seems the obvious stuff to me
17:31 Calinou instead of ~= and 1-indexing
17:31 rubenwardy I fucking hate ~=
17:31 rubenwardy Ruins my day
17:31 asie Calinou: it just gets out of hand quickly for large projects
17:31 asie much harder to organize code
17:31 asie the things you mentioned are minor
17:32 Calinou well you can use MoonScript, but I don't like having to compile my code
17:32 Calinou compiling CSS is okay, since that makes it not-dumb
17:32 rubenwardy I wish dofile was relative, having to include minetest.get_worldpath() is just so unelegant
17:32 Calinou but programming languages are not-dumb already
17:32 Calinou rubenwardy, create a variable called worldpath :P
17:33 rubenwardy even then
17:33 asie i'd love to make a new BuildTest
17:33 asie i always wante dto
17:33 asie as an actual proper BC subprojet
17:33 asie subproject*
17:34 rubenwardy dofile("file.lua") is better than dofile(modpath .. "file.lua") or dofile(minetest.get_modpath("test") .. "file.lua")
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17:34 CWz which programing language is best programing language that is cross platfrom
17:35 asie The JVM gives you like 15
17:35 asie or 20
17:35 asie the only issue it has is the slightly large RAM consumption of the default VM engine, but that has its valid reasons
17:35 Calinou CWz, none, because there is no best language…
17:36 Calinou that said, some are better compromises than others, like Python
17:36 Calinou you can do everything efficiently by learning only 2 or 3 languages
17:36 Calinou eg. C++ and Java and Python
17:36 Calinou one low-level, one middle-level, one high-level
17:36 Calinou although learning JavaScript instead of Python in that case lets you be proficient in Web browsers too
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17:37 ajaypay wats cooking?
17:38 ajaypay anybody?
17:38 Calinou you mean smelting?
17:38 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.net/Smelting
17:38 ajaypay yes ;)
17:39 asie me? i'm considering making an official BC-endorsed BuildTest
17:39 rubenwardy in the code it is cooking
17:39 asie with official textures & a very faithful implementation
17:39 asie but there are still limitations in the engine for that
17:39 rubenwardy although, actually
17:39 rubenwardy cooking is a term which includes smelting, and also food cooking, clay etc
17:40 rubenwardy "smelting" only applies to metals
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17:40 marytheminer_ hi
17:41 marytheminer_ anyone around?
17:41 Krock rubenwardy, you can smelt butter
17:41 marytheminer_ i didnt know there was a butter mod
17:41 rubenwardy That's different, that's a cooking technique
17:41 marytheminer_ oh
17:41 Krock rubenwardy, but it smelts...
17:41 marytheminer_ into what?
17:42 Krock liquid butter
17:42 rubenwardy It's like the different meanings of "hit" - website hit, physical hit
17:42 marytheminer_ what do you do with that?
17:42 rubenwardy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smelting
17:42 Krock yes.. bye.
17:43 Krock lol
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17:43 est31 interesting facepalm gonna get its own emoji
17:43 Krock a palm, growing on a face?
17:43 est31 http://unicode.org/reports/tr51/i​mages/proposed/proposed_1f926.png
17:43 est31 http://blog.unicode.org/2015/05/​unicode-90-candidate-emoji.html
17:44 Calinou “SELFIE” lol
17:45 Krock then they also should add a double-facepalm! http://dummfug.cornblogs.com/wp-content/upload​s/sites/5/2014/07/thumb-doublefacepalmkzm.jpg
17:46 init hai people
17:46 est31 Hi init
17:47 Krock TOCLIENT_HELLO, init.
17:47 init how are you
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17:48 est31 first the client has to send TOSERVER_INIT
17:48 est31 then comes TOCLIENT_HELLO
17:48 est31 then authentication
17:49 est31 then TOCLIENT_AUTH_ACCEPT
17:49 Krock est31, init already said hello...
17:49 Krock we don't need to know the complete minetest protocol
17:49 est31 hrmm
17:49 est31 yes you do
17:49 init yes, it's a must Krock
17:49 est31 how dare you to be on this channel
17:49 Krock I do?
17:49 init without the minetest protocol you are NOTHING
17:49 Krock gawd no
17:50 est31 its only for people who know the error message indexes from the head
17:50 est31 what index does SERVER_ACCESSDENIED_WRONG_CHARS_IN_NAME have :p
17:50 Krock -1 !
17:50 est31 lol segfault
17:51 ElectronLibre Cool. Unicode Croissants. http://unicode.org/reports/tr51/i​mages/proposed/proposed_1f950.png
17:52 est31 I remember those books for people who learn reading (usually children)
17:52 est31 there you have that BIG WRITING
17:52 est31 and every second word is an emoji
17:52 est31 so that you can keep up with the story even if you dont know the words
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17:53 Chanku Hey
17:53 est31 proper way to say that would have been "learn to read" I gues
17:53 est31 s
17:55 CWz wow minecraft/minetest clones on main page of google play
17:56 CaveJohnson \o
17:56 Krock est31, I'm a maths expert. Proof 5 = -2: http://pastebin.com/RpGk8XMk
17:57 est31 lol
17:58 Krock Spoiler: I already know the fault in there...
17:58 est31 yes
17:59 est31 I guess  6a + 2 = 0 =
17:59 est31 ?
17:59 Krock yes, this calculation is only valid when the expression 6a + 2 euqls 0
18:00 est31 umm
18:00 est31 the calculation is never valid
18:00 est31 the equation 1 only holds on that condition yes
18:00 Krock sure it is, 5 * 0 = -2 * 0
18:00 Krock oh well, the last line is nonsense
18:00 est31 but the step 2 -> 3 uses  6a + 2 != 0 which isn't given here
18:03 rubenwardy Well that was painful https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_web_panel​/commit/0de58afd8fe934b9a05ff4b7e05490ca2561363e
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18:04 est31 CWz, perhaps in your bubble, but not in mine
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18:05 Calinou Google does filtering bubbles, so yes
18:05 CWz I hate that feature almost as much as i hate email spam and the muscle building ads on the forum
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18:18 blaise !servers
18:18 blaise !host midnightsystems.net
18:18 blaise hrmm
18:18 zat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3HJR6icXBo
18:19 Jordach_ blaise,
18:19 Jordach_ !server midnightsystems.net
18:19 MinetestBot Jordach_: No results
18:19 Jordach_ mfw
18:20 Krock !up midnightsystems.net
18:20 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 seems to be down
18:20 CWz redcrab seems to be completely down
18:21 Jordach_ its been dead for a while now
18:21 Calinou https://imgrush.com/y5W_kEatzW7W
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18:22 rubenwardy :')
18:22 rubenwardy * :'(
18:22 rubenwardy Calinou, did you make that? Godot?
18:22 Calinou working on that demo…
18:22 Calinou https://lut.im/O8wbBRDl/mdQy5QeD
18:23 Calinou yes, how did you guess? :p
18:23 Calinou I made some of the graphics elements, most of the code wasn't written by me
18:23 Calinou made the bouncy cube, was very easy
18:23 Calinou as well as the jumppad
18:25 blaise !up midnightsystems.net
18:25 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 seems to be down
18:25 blaise poop
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18:26 notanewbie I love Minetest.
18:26 notanewbie We should add a weather API.
18:27 blaise lol
18:27 notanewbie No, I'm serious!
18:27 blaise damn verizon dsl router doesn't do port forwarding
18:27 blaise :(
18:27 notanewbie I feel like the vanilla Minetest is boring.
18:27 Jordach_ >verizon
18:27 notanewbie HAte 'em. Internet keeps blacking out.
18:28 blaise notanewbie: there are weather implementations in minetest, you know..
18:28 notanewbie Really?
18:28 blaise yes, rain.. snow..
18:28 blaise I dunno about hail or what not
18:28 notanewbie I never saw them. Is it on by default?
18:29 asie anyway i still want to work on my own tech mod for minetest
18:29 asie also, i think you should do a very important thing
18:29 notanewbie Cool! What's it supposed to do?
18:29 notanewbie What should I do?
18:29 asie https://github.com/CyanideX/Unity <- get permission to use these textures
18:29 asie they're the best MC texturepack, one of the few considered superior to vanilla
18:30 asie or even get the guy convinced somehow
18:30 asie anyhow, my own tech mod?
18:30 asie i'm the current owner of BuildCraft, that's one
18:30 asie also, i want a custom barrels implementation
18:30 asie and a *proper* BC clone
18:30 notanewbie Lemme see...looks like you have to go to #MinecraftUnity
18:30 asie i know the guy
18:31 blaise notanewbie: it's a mod you add to your server
18:31 blaise there's a few, actually
18:31 rubenwardy notanewbie, vanilla Minetest is supposed to be boring
18:31 notanewbie Oh.
18:31 rubenwardy They want to encourage modding
18:31 notanewbie I see.
18:32 blaise you can install mods directly from within the client.. so it's not a big deal
18:32 notanewbie @asie if you know the guy why do you want me to get the permissions?
18:32 rubenwardy Don't use the mod store
18:32 rubenwardy It's broken
18:32 blaise oh no!
18:32 blaise :G
18:32 asie notanewbie: it was more or less a suggestion for minetest game devs
18:32 asie i plan to make my own gmae
18:32 asie game*
18:32 notanewbie Oh.
18:32 asie as in a minetest game... that's the right term still isn't it
18:32 rubenwardy Well, only old versions will be available and not many games are there
18:33 OldCoder How do I remove signs?
18:33 zat asie: what kind of game?
18:33 OldCoder from a wall?
18:33 notanewbie Yeah the store is outdated.
18:33 rubenwardy OldCoder, locked signs?
18:33 OldCoder No
18:33 OldCoder I think
18:33 asie zat: who knows yet? depends on what capabilities of the engine are prsented to me
18:33 rubenwardy You can't just dig them?
18:33 asie i made mesegates and meselamps once
18:33 OldCoder OldCoder Hungry Games if you can take a look
18:33 rubenwardy Weird
18:33 asie so i am at least somewhat familiar with the engine
18:34 rubenwardy !server hungry
18:34 MinetestBot rubenwardy: OldCoder Hungry Games | minetest.org:30015 | Clients: 6/11, 2/10 | Version: 0.4.12 / hungry_game | Ping: 95ms
18:34 zat asie: I have an abandoned game project that I am planning passing over to whoever wants to continue its development.
18:34 notanewbie Which game is it?
18:34 asie zat: what is it?
18:35 OldCoder Ah
18:35 OldCoder How do I turn off //i ? That is the issue
18:35 zat asie: it is a mod that comprises everything in the nature, I mean, the main mod that makes up the game is involved in the map generation, biomes, realistic resources generation, basic recipes, etc...
18:36 asie ehh
18:36 zat everything is set up programatically
18:36 notanewbie Wow. What's it called? Sounds really cool.
18:36 asie that sounds like a lot of nothing, or a kitchen sink pack
18:36 asie what's the theme? the underlying vision?
18:36 zat it is a realistic world
18:36 zat the most realistic possible
18:37 zat many praised my development but I don't have much time to continue with it
18:37 zat and most importantly, many limitations got me stalled
18:37 zat I wanted to feature the possibility of making alloys
18:38 notanewbie What's the game called?
18:39 zat digitalis
18:39 zat the mod I talked about is called earth
18:39 zat I added a lot of thing to its nature component also
18:39 zat many things to farm
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18:40 zat I just need help of experienced developers
18:40 zat so I am calling for help officially :P anyone?
18:41 OldCoder rubenwardy, thank you
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18:41 init you're requesting an experienced developer
18:41 rubenwardy Welcome :P
18:42 zat init: not only one, whatever number interested in help
18:42 init :P ik
18:43 zat what if I recruit VanessaE to help me with the trees...
18:43 zat and the original devels of every mod I am taking parts of
18:43 zat :D!
18:44 Wayward_Tab zat, maybe make a forum post about it? I'm sure you'd get many more replies, as there are far more people in the Minetest community than those on IRC
18:45 zat yes I need to make a forum account I guess :P
18:47 rubenwardy !dev Codestyle
18:47 MinetestBot No such page.
18:47 ElectronLibre Whan you say game, do you say subgame or engine?
18:47 rubenwardy !dev Code+style
18:47 MinetestBot No such page.
18:47 rubenwardy !dev Code_style
18:47 zat ElectronLibre: i guess that as per minetest definition, it is subgame.
18:48 ElectronLibre Well, then I could maybe help. Do you have a copy of the code I could get to see what it looks like?
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19:00 zat ElectronLibre: it is currently in a non-working state but the code itself is like pretty self explanatory
19:00 zat I will have to setup its gih repo
19:00 ElectronLibre That's not a problem. I will wait and if needed, correct things.
19:01 zat cool thx ElectronLibre
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19:05 marytheminer hello
19:06 marytheminer i know you can see me
19:06 marytheminer whatev
19:07 * init stalks marytheminer
19:07 marytheminer who's init?
19:07 init it's me
19:07 marytheminer oh
19:07 marytheminer hi
19:07 marytheminer :)
19:07 ElectronLibre The process 0.
19:07 init 1*
19:07 marytheminer huh?
19:07 init my pid is 1.
19:07 marytheminer pid?
19:08 marytheminer oh you kid.
19:08 * init kills ElectronLibre's irc client as revenge >:D
19:08 init marytheminer: process id
19:08 marytheminer my id?
19:08 marytheminer what about it?
19:08 ElectronLibre Well, I thought that as many people they would start counting at 0.
19:08 init no, pid means process id
19:09 init $ pidof init
19:09 init 1
19:09 marytheminer you want ME to process id?
19:09 init wath
19:09 marytheminer how do you do that?
19:09 init I think we're mixing things
19:09 ElectronLibre init, I think you managed to harm my client : I was loosing the connection when you corrected me.
19:10 marytheminer i did not kill your client
19:10 marytheminer THE VERY IDEA
19:10 init no, that'd my evil young brother, systemd
19:10 ElectronLibre marytheminer, init is a program in most GNU/Linux systems which is the 'parent process' of all programs.
19:10 marytheminer oh init is not a person?
19:10 ElectronLibre It is the first program loaded at start up. (If I remember correctly)
19:10 init >_> <_<
19:11 ElectronLibre init, in fact, don't bother explaining..
19:11 marytheminer oh that's cool. a chatbot!
19:11 init thankyou
19:11 init I have feelings you know
19:11 marytheminer are you a robot?
19:11 init and yeah, I think I passed the turing test
19:11 init marytheminer: I am not
19:11 marytheminer oh. why did he say you were?
19:12 ElectronLibre I can't even understand how we got there.
19:12 init me neither
19:12 ElectronLibre He never said he was.
19:12 init marytheminer: the `init` program is that
19:12 marytheminer huh weird
19:12 marytheminer oh
19:12 marytheminer whatev
19:12 ElectronLibre ._. .-. ._.
19:12 marytheminer lol
19:12 init I am just a dude whose nick is the same as the name of a special program in the *nix world
19:12 marytheminer ·__·
19:13 marytheminer i dont quite understand
19:13 marytheminer say that in english plz?
19:13 marytheminer :) plz?
19:13 ElectronLibre init: What a beautiful way to summarize those past 5 weird minutes of misunderstanding.
19:14 marytheminer XD
19:14 init I know I am beautiful, but that's unrelated!
19:14 marytheminer dont b vain
19:14 ElectronLibre marytheminer, his nickname is the name of a program, that's it.
19:14 marytheminer ohhhh. why didnt you say so?
19:14 ElectronLibre "I am just a dude whose nick is the same as the name of a special program"
19:14 ElectronLibre He said.
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19:15 marytheminer it's not hard to get code mixed up with regular lingo.
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19:15 marytheminer hi there!
19:15 ElectronLibre Well, it was complicated, but finally you understood.
19:16 marytheminer i'm glad.
19:16 init we said, he said, you said, they saidv
19:16 ElectronLibre What is the v for?
19:16 init a typo
19:16 marytheminer change of subject; do you play mt on public servers or private?
19:16 init that `v` is next to the `launch nukes` key
19:17 init I don't really play Minetest, I am just here because people over here are really nice
19:17 cimbakahn Should i upgrade LinuxMint 17 Qiana Xfce 64bit to LinuxMint 17.1 Rebecca 64bit?
19:17 ElectronLibre marytheminer, I rarely play Minetest just to play.
19:17 init (yes! you people!)
19:17 marytheminer i play public
19:17 marytheminer and yes, minetest "working" is fun
19:17 ElectronLibre I'm nice? Wow, breaking news, I wasn't even aware of it.
19:17 marytheminer XD
19:18 cimbakahn Under EDIT in the update manager is the upgrade for it.
19:18 marytheminer wow. just wow.
19:18 cimbakahn So, should i?
19:18 marytheminer huh? are you talking to me?
19:18 cimbakahn I love Minetest.
19:18 marytheminer SO DO I!!!!!!
19:18 init we love you, too
19:19 marytheminer <3
19:19 marytheminer i did NOT say i loved you.
19:19 ElectronLibre You should go ask on ##linuxmint, they must be able to answer you.
19:19 marytheminer nice try.
19:20 ElectronLibre There is an insane amount of 'linuxmint' channels ._.
19:20 cimbakahn I thought i am in Linuxmint help now?
19:20 marytheminer what's that?
19:20 marytheminer linuxmint? is that spanish?
19:20 ElectronLibre At the moment, you're on #minetest .
19:20 ElectronLibre marytheminer, no, english, a GNU/Linux distribution.
19:21 cimbakahn Oh.  Sorry!  Wrong tab.
19:21 marytheminer ummm. ok whatever that is
19:21 ElectronLibre No problem.
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19:21 ElectronLibre !g Linux Mint
19:21 MinetestBot ElectronLibre: http://www.linuxmint.com/
19:21 ElectronLibre ^ marytheminer
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19:21 marytheminer yeah
19:21 marytheminer Ill check it out later
19:22 * ElectronLibre writes down : try Linux Mint (XFCE) in a VM later.
19:23 marytheminer sadly, yet another fellow chatter leaves
19:24 marytheminer electronlibre: dont worry, ill remeber the url, i wont forget
19:24 marytheminer i dont need to wite it down :)
19:25 marytheminer oh, btw, are any of you on mt forums?
19:25 ElectronLibre No, actually, "writes down" is the accurate translation of a language tic I have in my mother tongue. When someone says something, or I have to remember something, I always say "Je note" ("I write it down" - implying mentally, in my mind).
19:26 ElectronLibre I am, why?
19:26 marytheminer why isnt there a thread for all the servers, like a page describing each of them?
19:27 ElectronLibre There is already https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=10
19:27 marytheminer it would be real helpful for a person trying to decide which to join
19:27 zat ElectronLibre: spanish?
19:27 ElectronLibre zat: Worse, french.
19:27 zat D:!
19:28 ElectronLibre They must all be in there, otherwise they might not be among the most maintained nor well moderated servers.
19:28 marytheminer is there a page for every server? i'd like to know every mod my home server, trepca, uses.
19:28 ElectronLibre Hmm, wait,
19:28 est31 ahh
19:28 ElectronLibre There we go : http://servers.minetest.net/
19:28 est31 yea
19:28 est31 thats the link
19:28 est31 marytheminer, trepca does have a forum page too
19:28 marytheminer ok thanx ill check it out
19:29 est31 since yesterday
19:29 ElectronLibre Or http://www.minetest.net/servers, in its more readable format.
19:29 est31 quit :(
19:29 est31 wanted to say that hosting is endangered ... :(
19:29 ElectronLibre zat: yes, french is ugly.
19:29 ElectronLibre est31, he will probably come back soon.
19:30 est31 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12245
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19:31 ElectronLibre There he is.
19:31 marytheminer TREPCA IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE SERVERLIST!!!! :((((((
19:31 ElectronLibre marytheminer, http://www.minetest.net/servers is maybe more readable.
19:31 ElectronLibre And yes, let est31 explain.
19:31 marytheminer and i am a GIRL
19:32 marytheminer ok i will go check that out too.
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19:33 marytheminer it's not there :((
19:34 ElectronLibre Well if it wasn't in the previous one there was no chance it could be in this one.
19:34 ElectronLibre Ask est31.
19:34 marytheminer does anyone have a list of the mods trepca uses?
19:34 Calinou https://lut.im/SNTDr05x/Ta3wRLyk
19:34 ElectronLibre He should, he hosts it if I understood well.
19:34 marytheminer est1?
19:34 marytheminer are you there?
19:34 est31 a list of mods?
19:35 est31 you'll get it ofc
19:35 marytheminer what's ofc?
19:35 ElectronLibre "OF Course" maybe.
19:35 est31 ^
19:35 marytheminer okay.
19:35 ElectronLibre It's sometimes really hard to guess but very often easy to figure out.
19:36 marytheminer :)
19:37 marytheminer i gotta leave now but if you would post it ill read it later in the log.
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19:37 marytheminer thanks.
19:39 ElectronLibre Trepka is in it.
19:39 est31 anvil, areas, bags, blocked_usernames, carts, craft_guide, currency, farming, homedecor_modpack, hud, inventory_plus, irc, irc_commands, item_tweaks, kickall, letters, markers, Minetest-WorldEdit, mobs, moreblocks, moreores, player_textures, protector (protector block is disabled, but protected doors can be placed), skins, spawn, travelnet, xban2
19:39 ElectronLibre s/trepka/trepca
19:39 ElectronLibre You just need to scroll down and click "more".
19:41 Telesight Someone any clue: It takes on one laptop a while to load the Object textures from a local (LAN) server, while other laptops are quickly logged in ...
19:41 ElectronLibre Telesight, is the one lagging configured not to preload textures?
19:42 Telesight Electron: let me see ...
19:43 Telesight Is that a setting in the client?
19:44 ElectronLibre Wait.
19:44 ElectronLibre Which version are you using?
19:44 Telesight 0.4.12
19:44 Telesight Client and the server
19:45 ElectronLibre Well, then the client doesn't preload textures.. Which step does take long exactly? Media?
19:45 Telesight Object textures
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19:46 ElectronLibre I don't know this one ._. ... Honestly, I don't have a clue there, sorry.
19:47 Telesight I installed 0.4.12 this day
19:47 Telesight But also on theother laptops
19:48 Telesight so there must be no difference (in theory ;-)
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19:50 CWz hey Wayward_Tab
19:53 Telesight Electron: Yes it is the last step Object textures that takes minutes ...
19:53 Telesight Just test it ...
19:55 ElectronLibre It doesn't. I get stuck at "Medias.." for about 40 seconds, then "Initializing Nodes" for about 10 seconds, and that's it.
19:56 ElectronLibre Well, I'm on a local server, so maybe you're getting stuck at "Medias" (about before the middle of the bar) because the connection is slow. Also, remember that the first connection usually takes longer than the ones which will follow.
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19:58 Telesight I log in on a local (LAN) server, the other laptops log in normal
19:58 Telesight So the connection is not a problem ..
19:59 Telesight I just tested it again ..
20:00 ElectronLibre Well, maybe the computer is slower parsing the datas.
20:01 Telesight It is a i7 ;-)
20:01 ElectronLibre So, NO IDEA.
20:01 ElectronLibre I still think it might be because it's the first connection, but no sure.
20:02 Telesight It takes long every login ...
20:02 ElectronLibre Differences between compilers used, 32/64 bits, OS, etc.. All of this might be related.
20:03 Telesight hmm
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20:03 VanessaE sounds like "preload item visuals" is enabled on the client.
20:03 ElectronLibre VanessaE, 0.4.12.
20:03 ElectronLibre It shouldn't.
20:03 VanessaE it would if his config is from an older version that had that turned on
20:04 Telesight Yes that is possible ... moment I will check ...
20:04 ElectronLibre Telesight, look into minetest.conf for this parameter.
20:05 Telesight Thanks I will do give me a second ...
20:06 Telesight Result: preload_item_visuals = 1
20:06 VanessaE that's it.
20:06 VanessaE set that to 0 or just delete the line altogether.
20:06 Telesight Moment ...
20:08 Telesight Bammm ....
20:08 Telesight 0,001seconds
20:08 Telesight Thanks ...
20:08 Telesight I set it to 0
20:09 ElectronLibre Damn old config files.
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20:10 VanessaE I warned the core devs about this.. :P
20:11 Telesight I had a feeling that it must be a setting " somewhere" but I am not experienced with Minetest ...
20:11 Calinou jesus died on my server
20:11 Calinou :(
20:11 VanessaE good. :)
20:11 VanessaE now they can finally bury the SoB ;)
20:12 Jordach_ http://niceme.me
20:12 Jordach_ mfw Calinou is religious
20:12 Calinou https://lut.im/6pNK99u6/wa5lf3Gl
20:12 Telesight Is your server called Roman Empire ...
20:12 Calinou Jordach_, check out https://github.com/Calinou/fps-test
20:12 ElectronLibre No, he is right.
20:13 ElectronLibre A player called Jesus died on his server.
20:13 Jordach_ Telesight, http://niceme.me
20:14 Wayward_Tab Oh, hi CWz :)
20:15 CWz an inchraless Wayward_Tab
20:15 Telesight When you install a Minetest server, do you have to finetune it? (change settings to not overload your server)
20:16 VanessaE depends on the mods you run
20:16 VanessaE you might, for example, turn the active block range down
20:16 VanessaE or adjust the network settings to maximize your throughput
20:17 Telesight Ok I deinstalled a serie of mods but the difference on my cpu usage was not big ...
20:17 VanessaE it won't be, initially
20:17 VanessaE but some mods are CPU hogs, by their nature
20:18 Telesight Pollers ...
20:19 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=1825
20:19 Telesight Calinou: Ah great ...
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20:23 Telesight I do not think the bandwith will be a problem ...
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20:25 Telesight 100 Mbps must be enough ..
20:25 Telesight But the CPU can be the bottleneck
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20:55 * Sokomine stares at a cart and thinks that it is particulary uncooperative
20:56 VanessaE just give it a good, swift kick
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21:00 Sokomine doesn't really help. it still sucks up all the air there is :(
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21:02 VanessaE heh
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21:17 marytheminer hi is est1 there?
21:18 marytheminer i guess not :(
21:18 marytheminer im leaving now bye!
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21:20 YvesLevier Hey :)  i had to move my OS to another disk
21:20 YvesLevier Using U14.04
21:20 YvesLevier My disk was dead.  Im server.
21:21 YvesLevier Now it seems that my clients dont share the same release
21:21 YvesLevier is that tell you something?
21:22 VanessaE turn off strict version checking
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21:22 YvesLevier VanessaE: where?
21:23 YvesLevier How?
21:23 VanessaE in your server's .conf
21:23 YvesLevier lemme see
21:23 YvesLevier thx VanE
21:23 VanessaE strict_protocol_version_checking = false
21:23 VanessaE normally it defaults to false anyway
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21:25 YvesLevier VanessaE: What do a servers'conf look like at plz?
21:26 VanessaE it's just minetest.conf
21:26 VanessaE or whatever you named it
21:26 YvesLevier VanessaE: on it
21:28 YvesLevier i dont see a minetest.conf that have a strict_pro.....  in it
21:29 YvesLevier but i must warn i copied my old Desktop/Minetest and
21:29 VanessaE that shouldn't matter
21:29 VanessaE I don't recall anyone saying the protocol was changed incompatibly
21:29 YvesLevier .minetest over my new computer after i reintalled
21:29 YvesLevier VanessaE: VanE???
21:30 VanessaE try updating your server build then
21:30 YvesLevier Having 2 disks.  No 1 about to die and No 2 is virging
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21:30 YvesLevier ready to follow e-v-e-r-y of your orders
21:31 VanessaE YvesLevier: I have very little to suggest here honestly
21:31 VanessaE try upgrading to git HEAD and build it yourself, or downgrade to your previous version
21:32 YvesLevier VanessaE: Thats the problem.  How to get to my original version using the same script?
21:32 YvesLevier i mean reinstalling the whole Ubuntu if necessary
21:32 VanessaE you don't use a script, directly.
21:32 YvesLevier listening
21:33 VanessaE rather, git reset --hard <some commit ID where you know it worked>
21:33 VanessaE and then build it
21:34 YvesLevier is there someone less intelligent to explain me that plz%
21:34 YvesLevier ?
21:34 YvesLevier What do i exactly have to do plz
21:34 YvesLevier consider me dummy
21:34 YvesLevier plz
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21:35 YvesLevier VanessaE: ^
21:35 VanessaE heh
21:37 YvesLevier To make short, i would want to reinstall the old release then only copy my old .minetest and /Desktop/Minetest to the new disk.  Looks reasonable?
21:37 YvesLevier VanessaE: VanE?
21:38 VanessaE I got nothin', man :)
21:38 VanessaE your plan is good, but if you can't use git commands to pick a working commit, I don't know how else to help you
21:38 Sokomine YvesLevier: hm, vanessae usually explains it pretty well and dummy-friendly. i often consult her when i'm fighting with git
21:39 VanessaE you SHOULD be able to just copy *everything* over from the old disk though
21:39 VanessaE including Minetest iself
21:39 Sokomine YvesLevier: perhaps you might just clone the repro anew. that might be easiest
21:40 YvesLevier VanessaE: Sokomine: then i uninstall minetest.  Then i just copy the folders?
21:40 YvesLevier i tried.
21:40 VanessaE YvesLevier: no
21:40 VanessaE you just copy all of it
21:40 YvesLevier listening
21:40 VanessaE or yeah
21:40 VanessaE you can uninstall the not-working copy
21:40 YvesLevier ...
21:40 VanessaE then bring your working one over from the old disk
21:40 YvesLevier listening
21:40 YvesLevier listening
21:40 VanessaE that's all.
21:40 VanessaE just copy it.
21:41 YvesLevier will
21:41 YvesLevier <
21:41 VanessaE any idea what commit ID you're at?
21:41 YvesLevier whats that?
21:41 VanessaE run the "not working" game and tell me what it says in the upper left corner of the window
21:41 YvesLevier Good brb
21:41 VanessaE "Minetest 0.4.12-gblahblahblah"
21:41 VanessaE I need to know the "blahblahblah" part.
21:42 YvesLevier kk
21:42 YvesLevier before reinstall?
21:42 YvesLevier you mean now?
21:42 VanessaE just whichever one isn't working
21:42 YvesLevier easy enough brb
21:43 YvesLevier VanessaE: it works only one i disabled EVERY mods
21:44 VanessaE er..
21:44 VanessaE now I'm confused
21:44 VanessaE I thought you said clients couldn't connect anymore?
21:45 YvesLevier me neither as long i...  well... i try uninstall all then copy folders
21:45 YvesLevier and i cant you your gblahahahahalbla
21:45 YvesLevier brb
21:46 YvesLevier *see
21:46 VanessaE it'll be right there on the main menu screen
21:46 VanessaE upper left corner of the window
21:48 YvesLevier VanessaE: i used synaptics.  No more minetest on my computer out of the old folders i can place in /home/.minetest and /home/Desktop/Minetest
21:49 YvesLevier am i on the right waY?
21:49 VanessaE OH G*d, you're using a really old version if you're getting it from the system repository
21:49 VanessaE did you remember to add the daily-builds PPA?
21:49 YvesLevier ???
21:49 YvesLevier Im french my friend
21:50 YvesLevier when you talk chineese
21:50 YvesLevier i get very lost
21:50 YvesLevier ;)
21:50 VanessaE ok ok
21:50 VanessaE starting over :P
21:50 YvesLevier Good
21:50 VanessaE you uninstalled minetest from your machine?
21:50 YvesLevier YES
21:51 VanessaE ok, copy your data folders over -- worlds, mods, etc etc.
21:51 YvesLevier Take your time VanE im vanished anyway
21:51 VanessaE then run this:  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds ; sudo apt-get install minetest
21:51 VanessaE (close synaptic first)
21:51 YvesLevier copy folders first
21:51 VanessaE copy first or last, doesn't matter
21:51 YvesLevier (symaptic closed)
21:51 YvesLevier then sudo... and all okie
21:52 YvesLevier im copying folders now.  Both.  .minetest and Minetest
21:52 VanessaE yeah
21:53 YvesLevier done
21:53 VanessaE ok run the sudo... line
21:53 YvesLevier now i : "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds ; sudo apt-get install minetest"
21:54 YvesLevier told "y" at you want to continue?
21:54 VanessaE yeah
21:55 YvesLevier end
21:55 YvesLevier no errors
21:55 VanessaE ok, you have some script that you use to start your server, yes?
21:55 YvesLevier treatment declenched (how to tell that in english)
21:55 VanessaE a "keep alive" script I mean?
21:56 YvesLevier i kept my old script
21:56 VanessaE paste-bin it.
21:56 YvesLevier what that mean "paste-bin"?
21:56 YvesLevier sry
21:56 VanessaE load your script into an editor, copy it, paste the contents to someplace like pastebin.ubuntu.com or so
21:56 VanessaE !pastebin
21:57 VanessaE *pokes the bot*
21:57 VanessaE !g pastebin
21:57 MinetestBot VanessaE: http://pastebin.com/
21:57 VanessaE well that's one also :P
21:57 YvesLevier Ahhhhhhhhhrg
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21:57 YvesLevier i feel i can see :P
21:58 LandMine WASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
21:58 LandMine longtime no see peeps
21:58 VanessaE YvesLevier: now give me the link to the paste you just made
21:58 YvesLevier Hey LandMine
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21:59 YvesLevier Van, may i use ....  nevermind<
21:59 LandMine hi VanessaE, hi YvesLeiver
21:59 YvesLevier Dropbox?
21:59 YvesLevier email?
21:59 YvesLevier VanessaE: its a small file VanE
22:00 VanessaE YvesLevier: just use a pastebin
22:00 YvesLevier pastebin is asking me too many questions
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22:00 VanessaE go to pastebin.com, paste your text there and hit "submit"?
22:00 YvesLevier do i make an account to use it?
22:00 YvesLevier k
22:01 VanessaE you don't need an account to paste
22:01 LandMine how have you been vanessa? long time no see
22:01 LandMine or read?
22:01 VanessaE been okay.
22:01 YvesLevier it wants i install a lot
22:01 YvesLevier good !!!!!
22:01 YvesLevier god
22:01 init use dpaste
22:02 YvesLevier you got it?
22:02 VanessaE YvesLevier: you don't need to install anything to use a pastebin
22:02 YvesLevier its telling me i need a TD insurance
22:03 VanessaE WAT
22:03 YvesLevier thx
22:03 VanessaE you're on a BAD site
22:03 YvesLevier dont worry
22:03 VanessaE get away NOW
22:03 VanessaE or you've got popup ads
22:03 VanessaE go to pastebin.ubuntu.com
22:03 VanessaE afaik it's clean
22:03 YvesLevier good
22:03 VanessaE put your paste there and give the URL of it
22:04 Pilcrow http://dpaste.com/ is also clean; no adds.
22:04 Pilcrow *ads?
22:04 VanessaE ads.
22:04 Pilcrow lol
22:04 LandMine Vanessa do you know why the main page on minetest.net always makes my AV pop up
22:05 VanessaE LandMine: no idea.
22:05 Pilcrow that's strange, LandMine...
22:05 LandMine have others mentiones this/
22:05 YvesLevier VanessaE: looks much more honest lol
22:05 VanessaE LandMine: not to my knowledge
22:05 YvesLevier i love your "get away NOW"
22:07 Pilcrow YvesLevier: pastebin is usually pretty decent, but bad adds and popups can sometimes sneak through...  :P
22:07 Pilcrow *ads
22:07 Pilcrow -_-
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22:08 VanessaE get a proper adblocker :)
22:08 Pilcrow ^ I do, but some people don't?  :P
22:08 LandMine what do you use pilcrow? i use peerblock
22:09 VanessaE Adblock Plus is enough to counter 99% of ads out there
22:09 YvesLevier New disk.  Adblock not installed yet
22:10 YvesLevier of course ill
22:11 YvesLevier VanessaE: how about what i sent to you VanE
22:11 VanessaE sent what?
22:12 Pilcrow LandMine:  well, I actually use the built-in ad blocker in Opera. it's a little more work, but works great once you have it configured. Firefox has gotten way too bloated for me, and I never liked chrome, so I make do with Opera...
22:12 VanessaE I use chromium (not chrome) here.  firefox sucks.
22:13 YvesLevier did you get the script you told me to send to you
22:13 VanessaE no, you didn't give me the URL for the paste
22:13 YvesLevier looking again
22:14 YvesLevier VanessaE: this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11336494/
22:14 VanessaE yes
22:14 LandMine VanessaE im thinking about getting a server going like in the old days, but the host i used is out of business, do you recommend any service?
22:14 VanessaE LandMine: try linode or hetzner online AG
22:14 VanessaE depending on your needs
22:15 VanessaE I use a dedicated server out of Hetzner, myself
22:15 LandMine i look into them thanks
22:15 VanessaE YvesLevier: oh, this is your compile script.
22:15 YvesLevier yes?
22:15 VanessaE YvesLevier: I need the script you use to *run* the server
22:17 YvesLevier VanessaE: thats the same if im my own client on server : cd Desktop  then ./Minetest/bin/minetest
22:18 LandMine VanessaE can i PM you? i want to ask questions about the hosting
22:18 YvesLevier VanessaE: or : minetestserver --worldname StCamille
22:19 YvesLevier i know no other script
22:19 VanessaE YvesLevier: AH and there is where your problem is then
22:20 VanessaE you need to use  /usr/bin/minetestserver --worldname StCamille
22:20 YvesLevier VanessaE: Plz plz tell me how to install it properly.  New disk.  Virgen.  All up to your orders
22:20 VanessaE otherwise you're trying to call upon that old build you carried over from the old drive
22:20 YvesLevier i do it now?
22:20 VanessaE when you're ready to launch your server yes
22:20 VanessaE /usr/bin/minetestserver --worldname StCamille
22:20 VanessaE that'll call upon the new version you just installed from the PPA.
22:21 YvesLevier super user or not?
22:21 VanessaE no
22:21 YvesLevier on it
22:21 VanessaE never use root. :)
22:21 Pilcrow it's a bad idea to run things as super user unless you absolutely have to
22:22 Pilcrow opens up your computer to all kinds of vulnerabilities
22:22 YvesLevier VanessaE: file not found
22:22 VanessaE wat
22:22 VanessaE YvesLevier: run:  which minetestserver
22:22 YvesLevier i must remember you i did uninstall
22:22 VanessaE you installed the PPA, so it should BE there.
22:23 LandMine OldCoder are you here ATM?
22:23 YvesLevier do i run again the installation script i sent?
22:23 VanessaE YvesLevier: no.
22:23 YvesLevier k
22:23 VanessaE YvesLevier: do this:    which minetestserver
22:23 VanessaE it should return a path
22:24 YvesLevier VanessaE: replies nothing (out a prompt)
22:24 VanessaE try,   which minetest
22:24 YvesLevier k
22:25 Pilcrow lol VanessaE. I had typed exactly the same thing, to the letter, but then saw you say it.  :P
22:25 YvesLevier VanessaE: /usr/games/minetest
22:25 VanessaE /usr/games ???
22:25 YvesLevier exact
22:25 VanessaE wtf
22:26 YvesLevier i cant say more
22:26 OldCoder Hello
22:26 YvesLevier ^
22:26 YvesLevier Hey OldCoder :)
22:26 OldCoder Announcing a much improved Hungry Games
22:26 OldCoder For your demise don't OldCoder blames
22:26 OldCoder Hello
22:26 Pilcrow hi OldCoder. how are you today? well, I hope.  :)
22:26 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok this is a stupid idea..  but try:  sudo apt-get install minetestserver
22:26 OldCoder Pretty tired Pilcrow but I have made progress in a few things
22:27 OldCoder Spent more time than I should have on a world
22:27 OldCoder But it is relatively nice
22:27 YvesLevier No idea is stupid to me atm.  So then : "sudo apt-get install minetestserver"
22:27 OldCoder For a deadly danger zone
22:27 VanessaE YvesLevier: yeah, may as well see what it does -- it SHOULD fail
22:27 LandMine Hey OldCoder can i Pm you/
22:28 YvesLevier VanessaE: cant find the pack
22:28 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok, that's expected.
22:28 YvesLevier it told
22:28 YvesLevier Good!
22:28 VanessaE minetest --version
22:29 Pilcrow I assume YvesLevier is on Ubuntu?
22:29 YvesLevier Sure
22:29 VanessaE YvesLevier: just give me the first line from that command's output
22:29 VanessaE Pilcrow: yeah, 14.04 I think he said
22:29 YvesLevier Minetest 0.4.9
22:29 Pilcrow that's old
22:29 Pilcrow wrong ppa?
22:29 VanessaE YvesLevier: you didn't install the PPA then
22:30 YvesLevier Im U14.04
22:30 VanessaE or you already had an old copy installed before you put in the PPA
22:30 YvesLevier i just uninstalled using synaptics.  Dont remember?
22:30 VanessaE I thought you said this, yeah
22:30 VanessaE OH wait
22:30 VanessaE I remember!
22:30 VanessaE derp
22:30 YvesLevier np
22:31 VanessaE sudo apt-get remove minetest ; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetest
22:31 YvesLevier now i copied the folders ONLY
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22:31 YvesLevier on it
22:31 VanessaE I forgot to have you do that "update" command.
22:31 YvesLevier its deleting
22:31 YvesLevier plz wait
22:31 VanessaE ok good
22:32 YvesLevier looks downloading
22:32 YvesLevier ended w/o any warning or error
22:32 YvesLevier im at the prompt
22:32 VanessaE ok good
22:32 VanessaE minetest --version
22:33 VanessaE it should respond, Minetest 0.4.12-dev-xxxxxx  (for some commit ID xxxxxx)
22:33 YvesLevier /usr/games/minetest: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type (no file of that type)
22:34 VanessaE close your terminal a
22:34 VanessaE and open a new one
22:34 VanessaE then try again
22:34 YvesLevier Minetest 0.4.12-dev
22:34 YvesLevier VanessaE: IMPRESSED
22:34 VanessaE ok good
22:35 YvesLevier sorry caps
22:35 VanessaE now we're cooking with gas :)
22:35 VanessaE which minetestserver
22:35 VanessaE see if that works now
22:35 YvesLevier no reply
22:36 VanessaE wat
22:36 VanessaE ok fine...  which minetest
22:36 YvesLevier kk
22:36 Pilcrow that's odd. doesn't minetestserver auto-build now?
22:36 VanessaE Pilcrow: so I thought.
22:36 YvesLevier VanessaE: /usr/bin/minetest
22:36 VanessaE it does when you compile it yourself, for sure
22:37 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok good.
22:37 YvesLevier <3 VanE
22:37 VanessaE YvesLevier: /usr/bin/minetest --server --worldname StCamille
22:38 YvesLevier VanessaE: Sarted
22:38 VanessaE yay!
22:38 YvesLevier :D
22:38 VanessaE ok see if you can connect to it
22:38 VanessaE from e.g. a client that wasn't working before
22:38 YvesLevier Using /Minetest/bin/minetest?
22:38 YvesLevier k
22:38 VanessaE well you could try that, but first,
22:38 VanessaE what's your IP?
22:38 VanessaE I'll try it
22:39 VanessaE msg it to me if you want
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22:39 Pilcrow YvesLevier: it's not important, just a nice tip for irc, but the tab key auto-completes names. So if you type Van and press tab, you should get VanessaE's whole username fast...  :)
22:40 Pilcrow ^ (easier than typing VanE, lol)
22:48 OldCoder LandMine, yes. But I need to nap a bit now. I'll be on later.
22:48 OldCoder VanessaE, Hi! Pilcrow thanks for chatting
22:49 Pilcrow bye OldCoder. nice [seeing?] you!
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22:52 ajaypay hey
22:53 ajaypay anyone on right now?
22:53 ajaypay ?'
22:54 ajaypay ?
22:54 ajaypay somany people on and none are talking
22:54 ajaypay about minetest
22:54 ajaypay bees
22:55 ajaypay is there a way to make the smoker be the smokestack for a house?
22:55 ajaypay in the bees mod
22:56 ajaypay http://alket.mooo.com/map/#22/-763.00000/-2456.00000
22:57 ajaypay has anyone played on chess.com? just asking
22:57 ajaypay Chess.com
22:57 ajaypay it wont be a link.
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23:11 Johnsen2 ~whois Microchip
23:11 ShadowBot Johnsen2: There is no microchip on freenode.
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23:52 Pilcrow wow, I forgot how much I loved the old Starcraft I! Threw in a Starcraft64 cartrige at a friend's house on a whim and ended up playing it for like 4 hours even though it's horrible compared to PC...  :P
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