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00:14 MinetestBot [git] HybridDog -> minetest/minetest_game: allow overriding papyrus and cactus grow functions fe3c5a7 http://git.io/vfyHi (2015-04-27T01:09:32+01:00)
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00:22 luizrpgluiz hi
00:23 AndroidKris VanessaE: tried that git bisect and didn't find anything. Doesn't seem to matter what commit I roll back to, i can't use --drawalpha. Which means it's not a bug, but something on my pc.
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00:23 AndroidKris or rather, more than likely something NOT on my pc.lol.
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01:34 jojoa1997 Hi
01:34 Wayward_Tab Greetings
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01:51 est the issue is that the answer of this question depends on the mod used
01:51 est arrr
01:52 est this comes when you type upwards arrow + enter without looking
02:07 AndroidKris lol
02:07 AndroidKris lol
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05:31 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Replace PRNG assertions with PrngException cd1d625 http://git.io/vfSae (2015-04-27T01:24:37-04:00)
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08:10 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Noise: Fix PcgRandom::randNormalDist() when range contains negative numbers 415167b http://git.io/vf9e0 (2015-04-27T04:05:25-04:00)
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09:21 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Tell a Story Day! :-D
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13:40 exio4 well
13:40 exio4 Zeno`: ^^^ here ;P
13:41 Zeno` thanks, but probably won't be enough :D
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13:45 Zeno` I'll backup the database and give it somebody
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13:45 Zeno` I have no regrets... it was awesome fun :D
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14:22 exio4 Zeno`: I wonder why you are paying so much for it
14:22 exio4 Zeno`: o.O that's expensive
14:22 Zeno` I dunno
14:22 exio4 (considering an ovh dedi is a few euros..)
14:23 Zeno` when the server started I had average 18 players at any time and up to 30
14:23 Zeno` so it was needed
14:23 Zeno` not now though
14:23 exio4 but tht doesn't seem to need a dual-cpu xeon with 64gb of ram
14:24 Zeno` it was before I optimised minetest and minetestserver as well heheh
14:24 Zeno` actually I dunno what I have...
14:24 * Zeno` looks
14:25 Zeno` 6 cores
14:25 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Revert the upper-case PROJECT_NAME nonsense that was part of #2402 4ea5a96 http://git.io/vfHAA (2015-04-27T16:24:49+02:00)
14:25 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Only lowercase project name at compile time" 558d715 http://git.io/vfHAx (2015-04-27T16:24:49+02:00)
14:25 Zeno` model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630L 0 @ 2.00GHz
14:25 sfan5 ಠ_ಠ
14:26 sfan5 Zeno`: you need a cpu that good for minecraft not minetest
14:26 Zeno` Mem:          2048
14:26 exio4 that doesn't look like a deal
14:26 exio4 I think you've been scammed Zeno`
14:26 Zeno` probably :)
14:26 exio4 writing runtimes is fun
14:27 exio4 I should decide on a bytecode and then write an optimized interpreter for that one
14:27 Zeno` a bytecode... hmmm
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14:50 exio4 Zeno`: tasty, isn't it?
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15:30 Telesight What are the requirements for setting up a 20 perons (public) server: CPU, RAM ...?
15:31 Krock more than singlecore is useless for a single minetestserver
15:33 Telesight @Krock Those days cpu' s are mutlicore ;-) So that would be good enough?
15:34 Krock a 2x RPI for 10 prople
15:34 Krock *20 people
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15:35 rom1504 how much ram does a 2x rpi have ?
15:35 rom1504 1gb ?
15:35 Calinou raspberry pi 2?
15:36 Calinou according to Wikipedia, it has 1 GB
15:36 Calinou Raspberry Pi 1 B+ has 512 MB
15:37 Telesight Ah you are talking about a Rasperry pi, I am talking about i3, * GB RAM, 120 GB SSD ;-)
15:37 Krock A minetestserver on windows with 15 players uses about 50 MB RAM and up to 40% CPU of a 2.4 GHz (@2) core
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15:37 Krock Dunno about linux
15:38 Krock s/core/CPU/
15:39 Telesight @Krock So it does not need heavy material to setup a 20 persons server
15:41 Krock I'm not @, MinetestBot is.
15:42 Calinou I had 17 players on my VPS, which has 4 vCores, 4 GB RAM, 200 GB HDD, 100 Mb/s effective bandwidth
15:42 Calinou no lag
15:42 Krock "no lag" doesn't exist. there's always lag.
15:43 Telesight Calinou: Ok that is what is in my home server
15:44 Calinou Krock, well, little lag then :P
15:47 exio4 Krock: no noticeable lag
15:48 Telesight ok,ok, minimal lag I understand ...
15:48 exio4 Telesight: you have 100Mb/s of bandwidth at home? ;_;
15:49 Calinou many people have 250 Mb/s up in France
15:49 Calinou Telesight, read and apply those settings: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825
15:49 Calinou they help a lot, especially active_block_range = 1
15:49 Telesight Yes, 100 Mbps up and down ...
15:50 exio4 ;_;
15:50 exio4 I have (1/100) of that
15:50 exio4 not even (1/10)
15:50 Telesight Glassfiber gives lightspeed ;-)
15:53 Calinou dozens of thousands of people have 1 Gb/s down, 250 Mb/s up in France
15:53 Krock dozens of thousands? and how many people live there in france?
15:54 Telesight Calinou: THanks I will read it. Does it take a whole study to run a server, or is it well doable?
15:54 Calinou it's doable but here are a few recommendations:
15:54 Calinou 1. don't install too many mods
15:54 Calinou 2. run server as limited user (do not run it as root)
15:54 Calinou 3. keep server software up to date
15:57 Telesight CAlinou: Ok but no special code knowledge ...
15:57 Calinou you don't need to know how to code to host a server
15:57 Calinou what operating system do you use?
15:58 Telesight It will be Ubuntu server ...
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15:59 Calinou how do you plan to admin it? physical access, SSH, ?
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16:00 Telesight Calinou: I build it with my bare hands ;-)
16:01 xenkey er
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16:06 Telesight So the access is no problem ...
16:06 Calinou well, all you need is build and run minetestserver
16:06 Calinou edit the minetest.conf first appropriately
16:06 Calinou be sure to forward port 30000 in UDP
16:07 xenkey I'm writing a new blog post. I'm thinking about making a tutorial for minetest. Any suggestions?
16:07 Calinou my blog has no real posts yet :D
16:08 Calinou also thinking about Minetest tutorial (performance optimization), but might as well post it on wiki
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16:16 MinetestBot [git] mich1 -> minetest/minetest: Add Russian comment translation to minetest.desktop 9179081 http://git.io/vfQQQ (2015-04-27T18:14:58+02:00)
16:17 xenkey I was thinking about the wiki
16:18 xenkey I'm going to cluster minetest
16:18 xenkey Somehow
16:19 xenkey Bu separating the parts onto as many servers as possible
16:20 xenkey That's Minetest, Redis, cURL media
16:21 Calinou my server still uses SQLite :P
16:21 Calinou no cURL either
16:22 xenkey Hm
16:22 xenkey I'm gonna read the wiki and see what's new
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16:25 xenkey At the risk of sounding like a kid, does anyone want to start a server with me?
16:32 Telesight xenkey: on what do you want ot build that server? Bare metal, VPS.....
16:33 xenkey I still have 10 bare metal clusters so I'll experiment distributing minetest
16:37 Telesight In your home? ....
16:38 xenkey No!
16:38 xenkey I bought them
16:38 xenkey http://a.uguu.se/cgobbh_tmp.uycIDOq3wB.png
16:38 Telesight I already thought you are a little strange ;-)
16:39 xenkey These are dev only servers
16:39 xenkey I have three main servers
16:39 xenkey Two Debian and one FreeBSD
16:40 Krock are you crazy, xenkey?
16:40 xenkey Very.
16:40 xenkey They're free
16:40 Telesight Your whole income goes to PVS' s ...
16:40 xenkey They're free...
16:40 xenkey All of them
16:40 Krock *VPS
16:40 Krock xenkey, but the power costs...
16:40 xenkey Personal Virtual Server works
16:40 Telesight Sorry PVS ...
16:41 xenkey lol
16:41 xenkey Private even
16:41 Telesight 1kWatt/h
16:43 xenkey They ain't billing me that
16:43 xenkey Perhaps 10 was a bit crazy
16:43 Telesight xenkey: Are you planning to build a server?
16:44 xenkey Yes
16:44 Telesight hmmm, let me think ...
16:45 Telesight I do have plans too, but have not setup the hardware and more important the security ....
16:46 Telesight That is the disadvante of a homeserver ...
16:46 Telesight disadvantage
16:47 Krock set up a FTP server on our machine, portforward it and give R/W access to public
16:47 Krock that's security, yeah.
16:47 xenkey That's smart krock
16:47 xenkey I think I'll do that
16:47 Telesight What is "our"?
16:47 Krock What a wonderful world.
16:48 xenkey ^
16:48 Krock Telesight, that's a word and is pssesion word for the personal form "we"
16:48 xenkey rekt
16:48 xenkey anyway
16:48 xenkey i'd better get on it
16:49 Telesight Krock, I meant which machine?
16:49 xenkey your machine
16:49 xenkey he clearly meant your
16:49 Krock the 'y' was missing
16:49 xenkey an arbitrary machine
16:49 Krock blame keyboard
16:50 Telesight Ah,ok typo ...
16:50 xenkey Anyone want to watch me set it up?
16:50 xenkey I'll broadcast a show :)
16:50 Telesight But my homeserver is on my lan ...
16:51 xenkey Would never have thought that
16:51 xenkey I'd use two routers
16:52 xenkey I terminated 7 servers...
16:52 Telesight My server is at the moment not exposed to the internet, but if i will setup a mintestserver I have to but only with enough security
16:53 Telesight I think I will setup a subnetwork ...
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17:09 xenkey I've put the redis server and minetest server on different nodes
17:09 xenkey anything else i can separate?
17:09 xenkey I have one more place to fill
17:25 sofar backups?
17:26 xenkey so much effort to do backups like that
17:26 proller one server per player
17:26 xenkey wow
17:26 xenkey 10 player max....
17:26 xenkey How would that work
17:26 xenkey I bet I could write a mod to synchronize the players
17:26 Telesight Xenkey: What server os do you use?
17:26 xenkey If minetest wasn't modded in lua, I probably could :P
17:27 xenkey Telesight: They're all Debian 7 although I ran a server on an Arch Linux server before
17:27 xenkey I'd use FreeBSD but my host doesn't offer it
17:27 xenkey They have a massive Coming soon (tm) sign for it though
17:27 Telesight Ah, ok
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17:29 Telesight So the setup will be nearly the same as on Ubuntu server
17:33 xenkey Pretty much
17:38 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:38 xenkey Hi rubenwardy!
17:40 Calinou Debian 8 is out, upgrade already :P
17:42 Krock Amazing idea. 1 server per player, then sync all worlds, so every player can play alone but watch the buildings of the other 9 players
17:42 xenkey Ew
17:42 xenkey Krock: That'd be nice
17:42 xenkey 10 player max for me though :3
17:43 Krock increase it to 2 players per server if required
17:43 xenkey Bit of a waste though
17:43 xenkey I always use » as my shell prompt
17:43 xenkey Even in illustrations
17:44 xenkey Some people use $ and #, I just assume they're smart enough to know if you run it as root or not and go the simple » way
17:44 xenkey → works too
17:44 Calinou $ and # are obvious, » isn't
17:45 xenkey Exactly
17:45 rubenwardy Is the $ important then, in terms of su?
17:45 xenkey It started off with me redacting half of my prompt because I didn't want people to see my username
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17:45 xenkey $ is typically the normal user and # is root
17:48 Calinou pinkie-pie@xenkey-pc:$
17:48 Calinou that must be it
17:48 xenkey ew
17:48 xenkey a dash
17:49 Calinou rainbowdash@xenkey-pc:$ then :3
17:49 xenkey THERE'S STILL A DASH
17:49 xenkey rainbowdash@xenkey-pc:$
17:49 Calinou dashie@xenkeypc:$ :3
17:50 xenkey > pc
17:50 Calinou dashie@xenkaymac then
17:50 Calinou </troll>
17:50 Calinou lol xenkay
17:50 Calinou didn't do that intentionally
17:50 xenkey C:\Users\Xenpie>
17:51 xenkey http://a.uguu.se/jnkvta_tmp.0rZLB0IEdU.png
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17:51 xenkey you forgot the path in all of them
17:51 xenkey user@host:[path]$
17:51 Calinou screenfetch looks very nice, installing it
17:51 xenkey xen@gay:~$
17:51 sfan5 >dejavu sans in a terminal
17:51 Calinou I use a custom liquid prompt
17:51 xenkey You didn't know about screenfetch?!
17:52 Krock You abuse the windows logo
17:52 xenkey sfan5: ...
17:52 Calinou https://lut.im/KUxH0w6r/100YWjQG
17:52 xenkey sfan5: That's my GTK font
17:52 xenkey Calinou: Nice colour scheme
17:52 Calinou I use Noto Sans as system font
17:52 Calinou my personal site uses Roboto
17:52 xenkey Noto is quite nice
17:52 Calinou the console font is Liberation Mono
17:52 sofar xfce4++
17:52 xenkey I prefer PragmataPro for my terminal one
17:52 xenkey I hate desktop enviromnents
17:53 Calinou InconsolataLGC is rather nice too
17:53 sfan5 why does every have so many packages installed?
17:53 sfan5 % pacman -Q | wc -l
17:53 sfan5 1188
17:53 sfan5 everyone*
17:53 sofar that's how Linux works...
17:53 Calinou http://openfontlibrary.org/en/font/inconsolata-lgc
17:53 Calinou sfan5, lots of dependencies for games and development
17:53 xenkey sfan5: is that how many you have?
17:53 sfan5 xenkey: yes
17:53 xenkey are you kidding
17:53 sofar a base Linux is 300pkgs minimum, more like 700-800 if you have graphical programs
17:53 sfan5 no
17:53 xenkey sfan5: http://a.uguu.se/katkcm_tmp.k4xHpSzABN.png
17:54 Krock I'm sure there's an u16 package to increase the pacman level count to 65500
17:54 sfan5 xenkey: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:54 xenkey snap i guess :P
17:54 sofar You can't even boot Linux in less than 70 or so packages
17:54 sfan5 Calinou: arch doesn't have seperate -dev packages so....
17:54 Calinou I wish Debian didn't either :(
17:54 Calinou it bloats the package database
17:55 xenkey It has -git ones though
17:55 Calinou I like the idea of -git packages
17:55 Calinou but Debian is strongly opposed to it
17:55 xenkey and -svn
17:55 xenkey and -hg...
17:55 Calinou and -fossil and -darcs and -perforce
17:55 xenkey -git ones are only in the AUR
17:55 xenkey lol
17:55 Calinou and -cvs!!!!
17:55 xenkey yes
17:55 xenkey can't forget cvs
17:56 xenkey minetest be installed!
17:58 xenkey tfw sfan5 is a clone of me
17:58 sfan5 ikr
17:59 xenkey Uh my redis is a bit open to the world...
17:59 xenkey Who wants to use my redis server
17:59 xenkey This is why we don't advertise domains before we are done configuring...
18:01 xenkey Oh
18:01 xenkey I can remove the external IP address
18:01 xenkey Well a whole lot of use that effort was
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18:31 Zytum hi
18:32 Zytum Can anyone explain me ow create a platform moved by a lever?
18:32 Zytum pleade
18:32 Zytum please
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18:33 est31 Zytum look at mesecons mod
18:33 xenkey Isn't there an option for the Redis password?
18:34 Zytum I'll take a tour
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18:42 xenkey Well redis is a pain
18:42 xenkey No password support at all?
18:43 sofar better tunnel it ;)
18:43 xenkey ew
18:43 xenkey ugh
18:43 xenkey ip fuckin' tables
18:43 xenkey hate this
18:44 Krock Why not use sqlite3?
18:44 sofar that's what you get by moving the DB off your server
18:47 xenkey Krock: because the sole purpose of me starting this server is to test out redis!
18:47 Krock Okay, it must be tested somewhen.
18:50 Zytum I can't !!!
18:51 sofar if you want to test redis, does it have to be on a remote server? why not just run it on 127.0.0.1 ?
18:51 sofar saves you all the iptables mess
18:51 xenkey $ sudo pacman -S redis-server
18:51 xenkey sudo: pacman: command not found
18:51 xenkey ...
18:51 xenkey sofar: That's no fun
18:51 Hijiri Zytum: can't what
18:52 Zytum create a bridge lever
18:52 Zytum I read a little, I download mod, activted in my map and I can't
18:53 Zytum but nevermind, I'll try another day
18:53 sofar try messing around with pistons and move blocks
18:53 sofar play around a bit
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18:55 bobgreen Hi! How is everyone?
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18:56 Krock Hi! And! Bye!
18:56 bobgreen Lol, ha!
18:58 xenkey iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -s 127.0.0.1 --dport 6379 -j ACCEPT
18:58 xenkey why do i have to do this
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19:11 Zytum bye!
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19:27 xenkey guys
19:27 xenkey IT WORKS!
19:28 xenkey Anybody want to test it?
19:28 jojoa1997 test what
19:29 xenkey My Redis server
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19:35 xenkey Should I bring Zenith back?
19:35 xenkey I can insert the map from my home connection if I add a firewall rule :3
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19:42 xenkey http://a.uguu.se/yjnufl_tmp.uHCpnMhiT3.png
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22:53 AndroidKris Lively in here tonight.
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23:33 Sokomine hmm. roofs are perfectly normal positions for mobs to stand on, arn't they?
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