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01:00 AndroidKris So I just played through Final Fantasy IX...again.lol.
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04:00 cheapie AndroidKris: Hi.
04:01 AndroidKris sup
04:01 * cheapie shrugs and wanders back over to ##linux
04:01 AndroidKris Hey, you got (or anyone for that matter) minetest mapper in c++ installed?
04:01 AndroidKris cheapie
04:02 cheapie I've never played with any mappers.
04:02 cheapie VanessaE might be a good person to ask about that.
04:02 AndroidKris I can't get it to compile.
04:02 AndroidKris I've got the git clone.
04:02 cheapie What's the error?
04:02 AndroidKris and the [cmake .] command does it's job.
04:04 AndroidKris but [make] keeps spitting out http://pastebin.com/2h3VZbFM
04:04 AndroidKris not the website...lol, the paste that I uploaded.
04:04 cheapie What distro?
04:04 AndroidKris haha, made myself lawl
04:04 AndroidKris xubuntu
04:04 AndroidKris 14.04
04:04 cheapie OK, just a second...
04:04 AndroidKris yup
04:05 VanessaE apt-get install libgd-dev
04:05 cheapie Bah, ninja'd.
04:05 cheapie (seriously, I had just looked that up)
04:05 VanessaE and if that fails, libgd2-noxpm-dev
04:06 AndroidKris gorsh yous guys are quick
04:06 cheapie http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searc​hon=contents&keywords=gdfontmb.h&am​p;mode=&suite=trusty&arch=any
04:07 AndroidKris 13 packages come with libgd-dev?
04:07 AndroidKris wtf?
04:07 VanessaE dependencies are fun aren't they? :)
04:08 VanessaE most are probably -dev packages though, and probably won't add up to a few megs
04:08 AndroidKris meh, at least it tells you what you're installing and it ONLY installs what is ABSOLUTELY needed...
04:08 cheapie AndroidKris: Try kde-plasma-desktop if you want to see some serious dependencies.
04:08 AndroidKris unlike winblows
04:08 AndroidKris I'd rather not mix kde with my clean xfce install...thank you very much
04:08 AndroidKris I dislike kde
04:09 AndroidKris lol
04:09 cheapie apt-get autoremove is the best part of the whole dependencies thing.
04:09 VanessaE xfce ftw :)
04:09 AndroidKris indeed^^
04:09 VanessaE cheapie: that can sometimes break stuff though
04:09 cheapie VanessaE: I haven't seen that yet.
04:09 AndroidKris It has broken a few things for me in the past, but then I just installed synaptic package manager...
04:09 VanessaE had it happen once.  smashed my video driver or some component it needed anyway
04:09 cheapie (although I do read the list before it removes anything)
04:09 AndroidKris no more breaky breaky with autoremove actions
04:10 VanessaE heh
04:11 AndroidKris minetest mapper successfully built...
04:11 AndroidKris After three days of dealing with shitty internet, and figuring out dependancies.
04:11 AndroidKris dependencies*
04:11 VanessaE \o/
04:11 VanessaE now the FUN part:
04:11 VanessaE using it.
04:12 AndroidKris yeah, I was just getting to that....
04:12 AndroidKris How
04:12 AndroidKris ???
04:12 AndroidKris grrrr....the period on my keyboard is sticky, brb gonna clean it kids must have spilled something on it.
04:13 VanessaE ./minetestmapper --drawscale --drawalpha --geometry -5000:-7500+12000+15000 -i  <path to world to read from>  -o  <path+filename of output PNG image>
04:13 VanessaE ^^^^^^^^ that's how I run it
04:13 VanessaE (from a script)
04:14 VanessaE the geometry argument, if I understand it right, is <horizoffset>:<vertoffset>+<width>+<height>
04:14 VanessaE e.g. -50:-50+100+100 to make a map 100x100 in size, with 0,0 at the center.
04:16 est31 the geometry argument is one of the bad design choices
04:17 est31 its just lots of complexity
04:17 VanessaE perhaps
04:18 est31 https://github.com/Rogier-5/minetest-mapper-c​pp/blob/master/doc/manual.rst#geometry-syntax
04:18 cheapie Heh, it's sort of funny how so many distros know what to do with a SID file right out of the "box".
04:19 est31 what is sid?
04:19 est31 (except of a debian name)
04:19 VanessaE est31: chipmusic for the C64
04:19 cheapie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_SID
04:19 est31 interesting
04:20 est31 seems it is in "the great file(1) list".
04:20 VanessaE files containing music meant to be played on that ^^^^ device are themselves often called "SIDs"
04:21 VanessaE est31: btw, that manual page is for the current minetest mapper??  I had no idea it had so many options
04:21 est31 VanessaE, its only rogier's mod
04:21 est31 not the official one
04:21 VanessaE ahhh
04:21 cheapie Then there's also things such as the ability to install a copy of the OS *from* a running copy of itself onto a flash drive plugged into another computer...
04:22 cheapie Windows seems so inflexible by comparison.
04:22 AndroidKris is the geometry even needed?
04:23 VanessaE AndroidKris: not on smaller worlds
04:23 VanessaE but as your world is explored more, eventually you will want to limit it.
04:23 AndroidKris So the "size" of your world is based on the amount that's been explored?
04:23 VanessaE yep
04:23 AndroidKris Is it Infinite?
04:24 VanessaE no, not infinite
04:24 AndroidKris how big max?
04:24 VanessaE up to ~62km in each dimension
04:24 VanessaE (31k from the origin each direction that is)
04:24 AndroidKris 1km = how many node spaces?
04:24 VanessaE 1000 :)
04:24 AndroidKris jeeeee----sus
04:25 AndroidKris 62000 node across?
04:25 VanessaE so an image could in theory reach ~62000 x 62000 pixels
04:25 VanessaE uh huh
04:25 VanessaE but est31 has a better way to handle huge maps
04:26 est31 https://github.com/est31/leaftest
04:26 est31 try it here: http://alket.mooo.com/map
04:26 AndroidKris at the average of 72 ppi, thats....(calculator)...just over 860in. x 860in.
04:26 AndroidKris gawd
04:26 VanessaE uh huh  :)
04:27 AndroidKris I've seen some large maps in my few years in the military...but nothing like that.
04:27 AndroidKris jebus
04:31 AndroidKris generating first map now. Without geometry arguments. just ./minetest_mapper -i blah -o blah.png
04:31 AndroidKris lol
04:32 VanessaE wont' look as good without --drawalpha  :)
04:32 AndroidKris Spit out a list of unknown nodes.
04:32 VanessaE that's normal, unknowns are listed only according to what's in your colors.txt
04:33 VanessaE use this ginormous one, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/va​nessa/hobbies/minetest/colors.txt
04:33 AndroidKris just copy paste?
04:33 AndroidKris replacing the old
04:33 VanessaE yep
04:33 AndroidKris word
04:33 VanessaE or,
04:34 VanessaE you can apparently point to it in the command line?
04:34 VanessaE hm, nope, not in the standard version of the mapper.
04:34 VanessaE anyway yeah just overwrite the stock one.
04:35 AndroidKris overwrote already
04:35 AndroidKris lol
04:35 AndroidKris running again, with new colors.txt, and --drawalpha
04:36 AndroidKris ./minetest_mapper: unrecognized option '--drawalpha'
04:36 AndroidKris Aborted (core dumped)
04:37 VanessaE interesting.  works on the copy I'm using
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04:37 AndroidKris https://github.com/mireq/minetest-mapper-cpp
04:38 AndroidKris That copy^^^^???
04:38 VanessaE nononono use the official one,  https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper
04:38 AndroidKris grrrr....gotta start over?
04:38 AndroidKris grrrrrr....
04:38 VanessaE mireq's version is old :)
04:38 AndroidKris so I'll just delete everything in that folder and do another git sync right?
04:39 VanessaE git clone to a new directory imho
04:39 VanessaE git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper.git minetestmapper-official
04:39 VanessaE or so.
04:39 AndroidKris meh, I'd rather not have two copies
04:40 AndroidKris Esp. if one is obsolete
04:40 AndroidKris I may have 1Tb of hd space, but I'm not Trying to fill it up.
04:41 est31 rm -r * only removes stuff thats not hidden
04:41 est31 rm -r directory however removes everything
04:41 est31 (youll need rf for git)
04:42 AndroidKris or, right click, click remove
04:42 AndroidKris :D
04:42 est31 or that
04:42 VanessaE that works too
04:42 AndroidKris after ctrl+h of course, so I can see the hidden files and make sure they go bye bye as well
04:43 AndroidKris after git clone, it's just cmake . then make right?
04:43 AndroidKris cd into the folder
04:43 AndroidKris first
04:43 VanessaE same method to build it as before.  should be the same deps also
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04:44 AndroidKris heh, I shouldn't have to fight with dependencies this time though. They should all be there.lol
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04:51 AndroidKris --drawalpha still doesn't work.
04:51 AndroidKris segmentation fault
04:51 VanessaE wat
04:53 AndroidKris I'm running [./minetestmapper --drawalpha -i ~/.minetest/worlds/WaterHome/ -o ~/.minetest/maps/WaterHome.png]
04:53 AndroidKris Works without --drawalpha though.
04:53 VanessaE that's just weird.
04:54 AndroidKris yup
04:55 AndroidKris The actual output is "Segmentation fault (Core Dumped)"
04:56 VanessaE I got nuthin'
04:56 VanessaE :P
04:56 AndroidKris Well what good are ya then?
04:56 AndroidKris :D
04:56 VanessaE heh
05:00 AndroidKris You say yours works fine?
05:02 AndroidKris VanessaE, is yours up to date?
05:02 VanessaE mine is not.
05:02 VanessaE I'm at commit bca8d3ce0
05:03 AndroidKris Maybe it broke something in an update?
05:03 VanessaE possible
05:04 AndroidKris I really need to get a git account... and pastebin as well.lol
05:04 AndroidKris ^^random thought.
05:05 AndroidKris Could you, if I asked real nice like, would you update and check? If it's a bug, it should be reported.
05:05 AndroidKris lol
05:05 VanessaE no :)
05:05 VanessaE too tired right now
05:07 AndroidKris Understandable. When you get around to it then.
05:09 AndroidKris However, I do see this from almost a year ago. https://github.com/minetes​t/minetestmapper/issues/5
05:09 AndroidKris hehe. gonna read up on backtracing and see if the issues are related.
05:10 AndroidKris Or at least try to copy your steps in producing that info about the segfault. Maybe I can make heads or tails of it.
05:11 VanessaE good idea
05:11 VanessaE also try rolling back to bca8d3ce0 and recompiling
05:11 VanessaE if it works, git bisect it between there and HEAD and report the crash
05:14 AndroidKris I just watched that last bit fly over my head like a 757.
05:14 AndroidKris rolling back, got it. can do.
05:14 AndroidKris git bisect? HEAD?
05:15 AndroidKris dafuq?
05:15 VanessaE if it works, you just type  'git bisect start' and hit enter
05:15 AndroidKris lots of reading...skip that...taking notes.
05:15 AndroidKris Saving for later
05:15 VanessaE it'll spit out some status info
05:15 VanessaE just cmake/make/run it.
05:15 VanessaE if it still works, type "git bisect good'
05:16 VanessaE if it fails, type "git bisect bad"
05:16 VanessaE in either case, repeat the cmake/make/run attempt
05:16 VanessaE loop until it spits out a message telling you where the bad commit was.
05:17 VanessaE (I think the ends of the bisect default to your current commit and the HEAD of repo)
05:17 VanessaE 'man git bisect' for more details :)
05:17 AndroidKris Saving this irc log for reference tomorrow...or this weekend.
05:18 AndroidKris It's quarter after 0100 and i gotta be up in five hours.
05:18 VanessaE once it gives you the message about "such and such is the first bad commit", file a bug report.  copy&paste that bisect message, and see if you can get a gdb backtrace also like you saw in #5
05:18 AndroidKris That's at least an hours work...If it goes smoothly.
05:18 VanessaE nah, it's quicker than that usually
05:19 AndroidKris Not for me...after 1am...and having never done it before.
05:19 AndroidKris << not to familiar with git
05:19 VanessaE heh
05:19 AndroidKris lol
05:19 AndroidKris I'll get it done this weekend though.
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05:19 AndroidKris Depending on the kids schedules
05:24 AndroidKris And on that note, I'm going to bed....GOODNIGHT FREE...NODE?!?
05:24 VanessaE think I'll do the same
05:24 VanessaE night :)
05:25 AndroidKris Peace.
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05:44 Nappi @oldCoder: http://minetest.org/minetest-win32-150423.zip    works great  :)    no problems so far
05:45 OldCoder Nappi, thank you
05:45 OldCoder I will post a 64-bit version soon
05:46 OldCoder And update the extra _game in both
05:46 Nappi I like some of the little things you held on to that have been removed from current DEV version
05:47 Nappi like the main menu closing on double-click
05:49 Nappi It runs Paramat's dev-biome mod  fairly quick too. thanks for sharing it
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08:35 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Teach Your Children to Save Day! :-D
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11:42 ron_montilla why people that makes mods don't put the folder already with the right name on the zip?
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13:43 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Remove unused variable Client::m_active_blocks ab04b7f http://git.io/vf2XJ (2015-04-24T15:41:45+02:00)
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17:15 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=17&amp;t=11955
17:15 Calinou come on, Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory had that animation 10 years before us
17:17 sfan5 k
17:17 sfan5 apparently any salute is a nazi salute
17:17 Krock "You are not authorised to read this forum."
17:17 sfan5 sec
17:18 VanessaE I moved it to offtopic.
17:18 sfan5 Krock: http://i.imgur.com/ifFPaW8.png
17:18 est31 btw if a forum admin has time, could they give me "developer" attribute?
17:19 sfan5 VanessaE: belongs to trash imo
17:19 est31 ^
17:19 VanessaE sfan5: fine by me
17:19 VanessaE (I wasn't entirely sure)
17:20 Krock sfan5, you've got a tall screen there.
17:21 sfan5 Krock: nope, just https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/full-pag​e-screen-capture/fdpohaocaechififmbbbbbknoalclacl
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17:21 Krock oh, what a nice addon :D
17:22 est31 There is also http://phantomjs.org/screen-capture.html
17:22 est31 (but wont work with login)
17:22 sfan5 it will
17:23 sfan5 you just need to give it the cookies
17:23 sfan5 but thats too much work
17:25 bus_error_10_2 what do the numbers after group names in lua mods mean
17:25 bus_error_10_2 for example, in nodes.lua "groups = {cracky=3, stone=1}"
17:26 est31 bus_error_10_2, the numbers stand for how long tools take to break something
17:27 bus_error_10_2 ok, that makes sense :)
17:27 est31 tools can specify how long they "dig" for a specified combination of group and number
17:27 bus_error_10_2 ... and you just answered my other question too
17:27 bus_error_10_2 thanks :)
17:35 Calinou gotta love media queries
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18:29 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: German translation: shorter setting name e376441 http://git.io/vfVbc (2015-04-24T20:25:33+02:00)
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20:31 Calinou finished uploading
20:31 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=17&amp;t=11956
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20:34 Calinou so much spam \o/ http://lbf.haoluobo.com/forum/python/
20:34 Calinou who said the Minetest forums were too spammed? ;)
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23:18 OldCoder http://minetest.org/minetest-oldcoder-win32.zip
23:18 OldCoder http://minetest.org/minetest-oldcoder-win64.zip
23:18 OldCoder 32-bit and 64-bit Minetests for Windows. Kindly test either. The 64-bit one in particular needs testing.
23:18 OldCoder
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