IRC log for #minetest, 2015-04-14

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00:04	harrison	and we liked it!
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00:05	marktraceur	Hah.
00:26	Hijiri	wow
00:26	Hijiri	default global scoping is fun
00:28	Hijiri	I forgot to make the local variables in my utility functions local, so everything was broken
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01:02	Pilcrow	VanessaE
01:04	Pilcrow	VanessaE: what is the name of your mesh slopes and shapes mod? I'd like to use it as a reference, but can't seem to find it now... :P
01:08	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Defaultsettings: Add dungeons and jungles flags. Update conf.example a09e442 http://git.io/vvcVP (2015-04-14T02:04:57+01:00)
01:13	Pilcrow	never mind, VanessaE, I found it using Krock's mod searcher. looked for "mesh". :P
01:21	exio4	http://www.slideshare.net/ScottWlaschin/fp-patterns-buildstufflt
01:26	Sokomine	hmm. i do have a problem with item_image_button. it seems to show only the tooltip of the very last item_image_button displayed?
01:26	Pilcrow	is there a way to decrease the visual scale of a meshnode? I tried using the model that ecutruin made for me, but it's absolutly massive! http://i.imgur.com/8SKrYTR.png
01:27	Pilcrow	absolutely*
01:28	Pilcrow	Sokomine: is that with the latest builds? I've never had a problem with them, but haven't updated in a few days.
01:34	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Minetest.conf: Move mapgen flags to engine .conf f49faad http://git.io/vvcPY (2015-04-14T02:32:06+01:00)
01:36	Pilcrow	oh. haha. all I had to do was add visual_scale = 1/32 to my node definition.
01:38	Pilcrow	now I need to figure out how to change the vertical offset; the model needs to move down by 0.5 nodes; half of it sticks out of the top of its position.
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01:51	LazyJ	VanessaE, if you're up and about "RANDY" on MTZ-Basic and your imposter "Vanessa" would very much like to be banned.
01:54	Pilcrow	I'm not sure she's around right now, LazyJ. tried talking to her about half an hour ago, with no response. :P
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02:11	Pilcrow	slow irc tonight
02:12	Hijiri	I wrote a wireworld mod
02:12	Hijiri	is it unidiomatic to use convoluted higher order functions
02:25	* Pilcrow	is still trying to figure out mesh nodes
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02:32	Pilcrow	anyone know if there's some kind of vertical offset variable to get this mesh model to move down into the area it's supposed to be (as in, in the selection box)? http://i.imgur.com/w6rqRaU.png
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02:33	Sokomine	Pilcrow: yes, latest build. it's in one of my own mods
02:34	Sokomine	Pilcrow: new mesh nodes are always welcome
02:36	Pilcrow	Sokomine: fyi, the model was made by ecutruin, visually based on my nodeboxes.
02:38	Pilcrow	Sokomine: would you mind telling me which mod you used the feature in (for reference)?
02:40	Sokomine	the buttons? i need them for selecting replacements (wood, fruits) for a build chest that will come with mg_villages
02:40	Sokomine	you can even check it out
02:43	Pilcrow	oh. heh. we lost each other. I thought you were saying 'yes' to my most recent question, about shifting the model downwards, lol.
02:49	Pilcrow	Sokomine: I don't know a whole lot about formspecs, tbh... it <seems> like your code should work fine... did you test it in an earlier build yet, to see if the problem still exists? if not, I can probably do that if you want... :)
02:56	Sokomine	no, i didn't. it's possible that i made an error while constructing the formspec. it's also possible that there's a deeper bug in the formspec code of the engine
02:58	Pilcrow	I will try with 0.4.12 stable, and a few relatively recent dev builds.
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03:27	Pilcrow	Sokomine: I can't seem to get the item_image_button to show up (don't know how), so I don't know if it works in the older minetest builds. could you tell me a building to try spawning?
03:31	Pilcrow	oh, exio4, I took your advice and made the hoverbot formspec pages into a couple of functions. I am running two loops there, but I think it does what it does well. https://github.com/Pilcrow182/hoverbot/blob/master/init.lua#L30
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04:02	Sokomine	Pilcrow: install mg_villages from my github repro, type /giveme mg_villages:build, place the chest, navigate through the menu to i.e. a lumberjack house, and then try to select a replacement for the wood used
04:06	Pilcrow	ah, I see. yes, it works wrong even back in 0.4.12-stable, so it's probably a mod bug, not an engine one.
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04:25	Pilcrow	so, anyone here who knows much about mesh nodes?
04:26	* VanessaE	peeks in and hides
04:29	Pilcrow	hi VanessaE! :) I was looking for you earlier but found what I needed. also, LazyJ was looking for you, asking you to ban players "RANDY" and "Vanessa" on MTZ-Basic?
04:30	VanessaE	I already dealt with RANDY and that impostor
04:30	Pilcrow	mmkay, just wanted to be nice and point that out. :)
04:31	VanessaE	no prob
04:32	Pilcrow	also, would you know how to move a mesh node model downward? some kind of vertical offset or something? I want this to be within the normal bounds (indicated by the selection box): http://i.imgur.com/w6rqRaU.png
04:33	VanessaE	you just need to edit the model in Blender.
04:33	Pilcrow	oh. I can't. oh well..
04:34	VanessaE	nah it's easy. load the node, select all, press 5 on the keypad to switch to ortho view, press 1 or 3 to get a side view, then press 'g' and then 'z', and hold control while you move it along the Z axis. Move it down by 0.5 of Blender's units
04:34	Pilcrow	blender would be a dependancy nightmare to install on this computer, and just doesn't work on my other one...
04:34	VanessaE	er load the model
04:35	VanessaE	just install blender from your system repository thenm
04:35	VanessaE	-m
04:36	VanessaE	(it's in mine, anyway, though I compiled the newest version just because the one therein is a bit old)
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04:37	VanessaE	what IS this object anyways?
04:37	VanessaE	it looks more like a complex set of nodeboxes
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04:37	Pilcrow	I've got an old install; the repo doesn't exist any more, since the makers of this distro switched to 64-bit and deleted the 32-bit repo. long story short, I need a fresh OS and have no available backup storage right now... so I guess I'll have to either stick with nodeboxes, or get someone else to edit it.
04:38	VanessaE	you can easily re-install your OS without taking a backup, if you're extremely careful
04:38	VanessaE	it's not really any more of a risk than running without backup media to begin with)
04:39	VanessaE	you just have to make sure to tell the installer not to reformat any partitions, and to make sure your partition-mount layout is the same as before (e.g. which one is /, which is /home, etc)
04:39	VanessaE	as long as you blow away the existing OS dirs from the live boot, and you are careful not to reformat anything, you'll be fine
04:40	Pilcrow	to answer your question, this model was made by ecutruin. he did an awesome job of making it look almost identical to my nodeboxes, but it's made from scratch and has only external faces... :)
04:41	VanessaE	you got the .blend handy?
04:41	VanessaE	I'll edit it for you if you want
04:42	Pilcrow	it wasn't made with blender, so no... I have a .obj? will that import right?
04:42	VanessaE	an .obj is fine
04:43	Pilcrow	ok. just a sec.
04:46	Pilcrow	pm'd it.
04:49	Pilcrow	also, can a mesh node use an animated texture? it's no big deal if it can't, but my nodebox version had a spinning fan on the bottom, and I'd kind of like to keep that if possible.
04:52	Pilcrow	oh, and by the way VanessaE, I'd like the top of the dome to be at the top of the node, not centered. does that make sense the way I worded it?
04:53	Pilcrow	as in, if there is, say, a default:stone node above the hoverbot, the top of the bot's dome should be touching the bottom of the stone.
04:54	VanessaE	yeah
04:55	Pilcrow	and yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be that big either... I had to use visual_scale = 1/32 to get it the right size in-game... :P
04:57	Pilcrow	this is what it looked like before I figured that out: http://i.imgur.com/8SKrYTR.png
04:57	Pilcrow	(its arm is in the tree!)
04:58	VanessaE	link in msg
04:58	VanessaE	see if that works for you
04:58	VanessaE	on import, the initial position and visual scale were messed up, took a few mins to get it sorted out
04:59	VanessaE	set your visual_scale to 1.0 in your mod
05:04	Pilcrow	awesome, it's perfect. thank you so much! :)
05:04	VanessaE	:D
05:04	VanessaE	want the .blend?
05:04	Pilcrow	sure. couldn't hurt... :D
05:04	VanessaE	link in msg.
05:05	Pilcrow	awesome, thanks
05:05	VanessaE	yw
05:06	Pilcrow	this is probably going to be the next commit. I'd much rather use a nice clean model than 43 nodeboxes... x_x
05:07	VanessaE	ditto :)
05:09	Pilcrow	also, you can check out the mod it's for if you want. should be fairly stable now. https://github.com/Pilcrow182/hoverbot
05:09	VanessaE	"IT MAY EAT YOUR HAMSTER!"
05:09	VanessaE	heh
05:11	Pilcrow	:P
05:12	cheapie	My sister has a guinea pig. Will it eat that too?
05:13	Pilcrow	ah, I actually forgot to update the readme; the mimic_player function now contains all the player functions listed on the wiki. some of them may return the wrong data, so crashes still may happen, but it's much more stable than the readme would have you believe. :P
05:14	Pilcrow	cheapie: it depends. does the guinea pig play minetest? xD
05:14	cheapie	Pilcrow: I don't think so, but I don't know for sure.
05:14	VanessaE	it's like in Toy Story
05:14	Pilcrow	haha
05:15	VanessaE	your animals play games and such while you're away/asleep
05:16	Pilcrow	I still need to get around to putting this mod on the forums. it'll be my first, officially.
05:16	cheapie	Pilcrow: Wait a second... I sometimes play MT... will it eat ME?
05:17	Pilcrow	cheapie: that also depends. are you, or have you ever been, a hamester or hamster-like creature? :P
05:17	cheapie	Depends on your definition of "hamster-like".
05:23	Pilcrow	hahah. now we get into some perspective philosophy... does the fact that I am more like a hamster than like a grapefruit mean that, from the grapefruit's perspective, I am hamster-like? :D
05:23	cheapie	Was the mod written by a grapefruit?
05:24	Pilcrow	it was written by me, but I cannot garuntee I was not a grapefruit at the time. ;P
05:25	cheapie	So it may eat me, then.
05:26	Pilcrow	possibly. unless you are a grapefruit. everyone knows robots hate grapefruits...
05:27	cheapie	How do you suggest I determine if I am a grapefruit?
05:27	* Pilcrow	loves being insane :D
05:28	Pilcrow	cheapie: ask a grapefruit if you are a grapefruit. if it responds, and you can understand it... then neither one of you is a grapefruit; grapefruits don't talk. :P
05:28	cheapie	But I don't own a grapefruit.
05:29	Pilcrow	ask someone else's grapefruit?
05:29	cheapie	Is there a website where I can search for nearby grapefruit?
05:30	Pilcrow	I don't know. might want to check GrapefruitMingle.com?
05:30	* cheapie	wonders if there's actually a website there
05:31	cheapie	If not, somebody should register it...
05:31	* Pilcrow	just checked and there isn't
05:31	VanessaE	cheapie: rule 34......
05:31	VanessaE	https://xkcd.com/305/
05:31	* cheapie	doesn't have X running. WetRiffs?
05:32	VanessaE	lol
05:34	Pilcrow	haha. I love xkcd... some of my friends - even fellow "nerds" - really don't get it though; they call it "boring" comedy... :P
05:34	VanessaE	http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/305:_Rule_34
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05:34	* cheapie	fires up lynx
05:35	cheapie	Yep, that's the one I was thinking of.
05:36	Pilcrow	man, it's been a long time since I ran without X... do you at least have nethack on there? :D
05:36	VanessaE	Pilcrow: BORING?!
05:36	VanessaE	blasphemy.
05:36	cheapie	Pilcrow: Well, I have irssi...
05:37	cheapie	(try CTCP VERSION, you'll see both boxes)
05:38	Pilcrow	cheapie: I was making a joke. refering to a cli roguelike game called nethack -- which is honestly pretty awesome and you should get it. :P
05:38	cheapie	Pilcrow: I've heard of it, but never played it.
05:38	* cheapie	pokes at apt-get
05:40	Pilcrow	it's pretty brutal. sort of a single-player d&d, but with more emphasis on battles and less on story? the Diablo series was inspired by the roguelike genre, and has similar settings and situations, but a "true" roguelike has permanent death, and the enemies only move when you do.
05:41	cheapie	That sounds boring.
05:41	Pilcrow	you can drink a potion and immediately die.
05:43	Pilcrow	aww, it sounds boring? oh well; it's not for everybody. I like hard games. also, minecraft's "hardcore" mode was inspired by roguelikes, since they both have procedurally generated worlds. I'm sure someone could make a minetest roguelike subgame pretty easily... I might have to try that some time... :D
05:45	* cheapie	starts it up, looks at the story intro thingy for a bit, and presses Ctrl+C
05:45	Pilcrow	aww.
05:46	Pilcrow	well, you could always install bsdgames and play tetris-bsd or worm.... :P
05:47	cheapie	...or I could go to sleep, like I was going to an hour ago before I got into a discussion over text editors and email clients in another channe.
05:47	cheapie	channel*
05:47	* cheapie	closes irssi
05:48	Pilcrow	alright, goodnight cheapie
05:49	Pilcrow	oh, VanessaE. I had one more question for you. I think I asked it earlier, but got no answer: can mesh nodes use animated textures?
05:50	VanessaE	yes
05:50	VanessaE	they work in the usual way
05:50	VanessaE	best if used with multiple materials though
05:50	VanessaE	(and they STILL work the usual way)
05:50	Pilcrow	multiple materials? what do you mean?
05:52	VanessaE	in Blender you can assign some polys of the model to one material, some to another, etc. and then assign each material to a texture
05:52	VanessaE	in-game, each material gets assigned to a texture in Lua by using the tiles={} field just like any other node
05:53	Pilcrow	ah. that would be nice. I'll look into doing that later, when I have a working blender. thanks for the info. :)
05:53	VanessaE	that way you can use some regular low-res texture for most things, and then a separate animation for the parts that need that
05:53	VanessaE	look at the metal torches in homedecor for an example of this
05:54	VanessaE	I use, I think, four materials there, one of which is the flame animation
05:54	VanessaE	(the others are two colors of steel, and coal)
05:55	Pilcrow	yeah, using multiple materials would be nice anyway; currently that bot model uses a single 128x128 texture, with lots of black space...
05:55	VanessaE	yeah, materials are exactly what you want there
05:56	VanessaE	one material for the blue part, one for the gold part, one for the silver part, and a fourth for the color of the arms
05:56	VanessaE	then you can have four 16x16 textures, one assigned to each material
05:57	VanessaE	anyway you'll learn to do that once you get blender going
05:57	VanessaE	it's easy
05:58	Pilcrow	the "gold" and "silver" parts are actually supposed to be default copper and steel colors. ecutruin used different colors than me. but yeah, here's the single material file as it is now: http://i.imgur.com/yf3iOGS.png
05:58	Pilcrow	^just in case you wanted to see
05:58	VanessaE	oh my
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05:59	VanessaE	oops
05:59	VanessaE	yeah, with multiple materials, you can just point directly to the default gold and steel blocks' textures if you wanted
05:59	Pilcrow	yup. he made an awesome model, but his program seems to do some very odd things with matererials... :P
06:00	VanessaE	you mean with the UV map :)
06:00	Pilcrow	yeah. ok. that.
06:00	VanessaE	anyways, we'll clean that up soon
06:00	* Pilcrow	knows nothing about 3d modeling
06:00	VanessaE	for now, I'm off to bed.
06:00	Pilcrow	mmkay, nice talking with you.
06:01	Pilcrow	and sleep well
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07:07	Hijiri	is there a way to bracket an abm so something is run before the abm is applied to any node
07:14	Hijiri	Is NodeTimerRef:start supposed to take a number?
07:16	Krock	What's your target?
07:16	Hijiri	target?
07:19	Krock	I don't understand what you try to do. Just modify the abm
07:20	Hijiri	I need something to happen before the abm processes any nodes
07:20	Krock	minetest.after()?
07:21	Hijiri	If I use minetest.after(), it'll get called for every node
07:21	Hijiri	but I want it to happen once, before any nodes are processed
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07:36	Hijiri	Is NodeTimerRef:start is expecting userdata, is this the right behavior? Or maybe a bug that's already fixed in some newer version
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08:16	Gael-de-Sailly	Hi everyone
08:16	Gael-de-Sailly	There is a big abuse on the forum.
08:18	Gael-de-Sailly	In General discussion : numerous topics haven't anything related to Minetest and are advertising and dubious.
08:19	Gael-de-Sailly	They all have been reported, but every day there are new ones.
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08:21	Gael-de-Sailly	And again 2 new ones in 5 minutes !!!
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08:22	Gael-de-Sailly	What could we do against this massive spam ?
08:24	Mihaly	For somereason I am now getting thread 0 errors on minetest - 0.4.12 - sporadic crash on win 8, but sometimes it works
08:24	Gael-de-Sailly	And again.
08:24	Gael-de-Sailly	Ban Leese now please ! He make one spam topic every 5 minutes !
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08:29	Krock	Your words won't change anything if there are no moderators active
08:29	Gael-de-Sailly	that's true
08:35	Gael-de-Sailly	sfan5, VanessaE, ShadowNinja, Menche : the General Discussion forum is massively spammed, from 3 hours.
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08:46	Mihaly	so I can't expect a response to my question anytime soon then?
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08:46	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy Equal Pay Day! :-D
08:47	Mihaly	Back at you - we just had int'l womens day, aren't they the same thing?
08:49	Mihaly	or should that be womens' day? anyway, I'd fully support Equal Pay for equal work, I'm between jobs ATM :}
08:54	JamesTait	I think they're related (and I think it's "women's day", but I'm not certain).
08:54	JamesTait	I suspect Women's Day is the "official" version and today is just a made up one. ;)
08:55	Mihaly	yes, I wasn't sure about the apostrophe :-)
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09:01	Mihaly	so I might ask once again, I'm having problems with Minetest now crashing with a "THREAD_0" error - sometimes it continues regardless, other times it crashes APPCRASH
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09:32	Krock	Mihaly, could you test an in-dev build?
09:42	Mihaly	Did so with 0.4.10 iirc, but lately have 10, 11, and 12 in testing, so am running self-server for the moment - not good enough to populate my own server just at this point
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10:00	Mihaly	What is an in-dev build? like a world? I use some mods - WorldEdit, technic am trying
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10:00	Mihaly	One I tried to create contained essentially just gravel/stone ....
10:01	Mihaly	that might have been v7 though, not sure
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13:02	Krock	Haha. I destroyed 3 hours of silence just now.
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13:31	luizrpgluiz	hi
13:37	exio4	hi luizrpgluiz
13:37	exio4	Krock: wow rude
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14:50	luizrpgluiz	what's new that will have the new version of minetest?
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15:26	luizrpgluiz	does anyone have the video card Nvidia fx 5200 agp ?
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15:30	Yellowberry	Hi guys
15:30	Yellowberry	Anything interesting happen while I've been gone?
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15:30	sfan5	no
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15:31	sofar	I worked on this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=11795&p=176178#p176152
15:33	Yellowberry	Looking good sofar!
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15:37	exio4	http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/37494-amd-x86-16-core-zen-apu-detailed
15:37	luizrpgluiz	must be difficult to schedule the growth of a plant in minetest
15:39	fishyWET	Is it possible in making a mapgen that uses a pre-self-defined, unchanging bare terrain that is not based on perlin random noises? Like manually adusting the position of each biome?
15:40	luizrpgluiz	fishyWET: I for one have never done mapgens.
15:41	sfan5	fishyWET: you can make a mapgen to do pretty much anything
15:43	fishyWET	sfan5: so it's possible? If so, would there be any useful guide in helping a beginner learn to do so?
15:43	sofar	luizrpgluiz: that part is really easy
15:43	sfan5	i don't think there is a guide for that
15:43	sfan5	but it's possible
15:44	sofar	not that hard either
15:45	fishyWET	sfan5: would there be perhaps any related resources that i could refer to?
15:46	sfan5	maybe there is a general mapgen guide
15:46	sfan5	i don't know
15:46	fishyWET	alright, thanks anyways.
15:46	xenkey	Hey
15:47	sofar	start here: http://dev.minetest.net/Mapgen
15:47	sofar	whoops, that's the c++ api. you should do it in lua
15:47	luizrpgluiz	because I wanted to create a mod where it only grows with lava instead of water
15:49	sofar	http://dev.minetest.net/Modding_FAQ#How_Do_I_Generate_a_Custom_Map.3F
15:51	fishyWET	thanks.
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16:10	luizrpgluiz	VanessaE: its trees are beautiful as well as a mod more trees
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17:09	Salbei	bonjour
17:10	Salbei	c'est la premiÃ¨re fois que je unmerge un packet, virtual/ssh
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17:11	Salbei	le problÃ¨me c'est que des que je fais une mise Ã jour, il me demande de le rÃ©installer
17:12	Salbei	c'est un packet de base? (j'ai pas fait attention si il Ã©tÃ© dÃ©jÃ installÃ© quand je l'ai emerge)
17:13	Salbei	ou alors quand je l'ai installÃ©, il Ã modifiÃ© quelque chose dans portage?
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17:13	Krock	#minetest-fr pls
17:14	Salbei	oups sorry, wrong channel
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17:23	Sokomine	Salbei: just clone the latest version from github and install that. precompiled versions are usually not up to date. so as long as you have linux, it's best to compile it for yourshelf
17:24	Salbei	Sokomine: thanks you but it wasn't about minetest ;)
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17:26	Krock	> yourshelf
17:26	Krock	Do you mean "you're a shelf"?
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17:59	Sokomine	Salbei: oh, ok :) so it was twice the wrong channel ,-)
18:00	Sokomine	Krock: everyone ought to have a shelf!
18:00	* Sokomine	throws some free ones around in order to distract from spelling mistakes
18:00	Krock	seah sure
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18:33	* Sokomine	puts a build_chest down
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19:04	* Krock	checks out all his installed fonts to improve the gaming-feeling
19:23	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/Cjr5o83.png
19:26	ElectronLibre	I did the same on time on a local map with bronzeblock rings. WolrdEdit is really a useful mod.
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20:06	Etzos	I kind of asked this yesterday, but I just want to be sure: No one has gone through the trouble of turning the lua_api.txt into a more full-featured LuaDoc-type thing, have they?
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20:44	VanessaE	actually it's sort-of .md format now
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20:48	Etzos	Yes, it is. But it's all one document and is not quite as easy to browse as proper LuaDoc would be (for me at least).
20:49	Etzos	Plus LuaDoc would be easy to turn into an execution environment for Eclipse LDT.
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21:18	YvesLevier	Hi all :) My server ready. I told my Internet service provider to give me a static address. Supposed to be 209.169.131.141:6661
21:18	YvesLevier	May som1 plz try to join my minetest server?
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21:27	Pilcrow	Sokomine. did you ever figure out your build_chest replacements problem?
21:29	YvesLevier	I made a minetest server that works perfect... locally. I would want to get it accessible to all. I must had make something wrong since people cant join. Have an idea? A clue? plz
21:29	Hijiri	maybe port forwarding?
21:29	Hijiri	or firewall blocking incoming connections
21:30	YvesLevier	on my router?
21:30	YvesLevier	no firewall in Ubuntu?
21:30	YvesLevier	im lost
21:30	Hijiri	I thought Ubuntu had ufw installed by default
21:30	Hijiri	port forwarding would be on your router
21:30	YvesLevier	Hijiri: looking at that. thx
21:30	YvesLevier	:)
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21:34	YvesLevier	Hijiri: i had ufw installed. Removed using Synaptics.
21:34	Hijiri	uh
21:34	YvesLevier	but.... whats the goal of a firewall in Ubuntu?
21:34	Hijiri	I wouldn't remove your firewall
21:34	Hijiri	just add an exception for your server
21:34	xenkey	Remove it, don't see the point
21:34	YvesLevier	listening
21:35	Hijiri	to block people from connecting to stuff you have up, that you don't necessarily want people to connect to
21:35	Hijiri	it probably isn't an issue if your router is already blocking connections though
21:35	YvesLevier	My router is a complicated TP-link
21:36	* Pilcrow	doesn't use a firewall in linux either
21:36	* xenkey	doesn't use a router
21:36	xenkey	whats the point
21:36	xenkey	I mean I have a hardware cisco firewall
21:36	xenkey	:^)
21:37	Pilcrow	:P
21:37	YvesLevier	i may suppose it will be easier for me to understand one firewall at a time. No?
21:37	YvesLevier	i hate my router
21:38	YvesLevier	too sexy for me
21:38	xenkey	You need to install gentoo
21:38	YvesLevier	xenkey: tell me more plz
21:38	xenkey	no that was a meme sorry
21:40	* Pilcrow	has actually considered gentoo before
21:44	Sokomine	Pilcrow: replacement problem? the two issues i have right now are the uncooperative tooltips for the buttons and wrong rotation of some nodes when using place_schematic
21:47	Pilcrow	Sokomine: yeah, I was refering to the tooltip thing, since it affects your replacement options. also, I noticed the rotation problem when I was checking out your mod erlier; tried spawning a chateau and it had weirdly rotated stairs above the doors, among other things... :P
21:47	Sokomine	how did you spawn it? automaticly via mg_villages or using the build_chest or place_schematicÃŸ
21:48	Pilcrow	using the build chest
21:48	Sokomine	ah. yes. that's the second point i mentioned :-)
21:48	Pilcrow	yup, I figured. it's still an AWESOME mod. just has a few kinks to work out... ;)
21:49	Sokomine	place_schematic might have an error there. maybe saving a file with the worldedit commands (mtschemcreate and -place) and checking if that one handles the rotation correctly might help
21:49	YvesLevier	Question plz
21:50	YvesLevier	Im using VanessaE textures. I want more cute carts. Is there a mod for this that will fit my textures?
21:51	Sokomine	YvesLevier: you can use your own textures if you just want to replace some. put them in textures/ er...somewhere there
21:52	Pilcrow	and to be fair, Sokomine, these bugs are not horrible, considering how much work you've actually done... although I've also noticed something else: when a build chest is placed just outside of a protected/owned area, it can spawn the building into that area (making it impossible to modify your own building)...
21:52	YvesLevier	Sokomine: can explain?
21:53	YvesLevier	youre telling i can do it myself?
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21:53	YvesLevier	im lost....
21:54	YvesLevier	To date, im begging Vanessa all the time for that. if there is a way i can make what i want - inside her work - plz teach me
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21:55	Nihao	Woe to you, Oh Protectors of the Cubes!
21:55	Nihao	:)
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21:57	Nihao	I have a question related to 3D_armor: Does anyone else experience the "duplication of armor on player death" problem?
21:57	YvesLevier	I love this square world, and i want it as it is. But cubes looking less square... i would even more love
21:58	Nihao	We had to deactivate 3D_armor, because players continued to kill themselves to duplicate their expensive armors.
21:58	YvesLevier	Sokomine: Do you mean i can use more than one texture file at a time?
21:58	YvesLevier	<--- NooB
22:00	Nihao	So for 3D_armor, I just wonder if anybody experiences similar problems, I did not find issues referencing this.
22:03	Pilcrow	YvesLevier: a texture pack is a pack that contains a lot of different texture files (one for each color/pattern, basically). sokomine is saying you can override the cart texture with one of your own. unfortunately, I can't really help more than that; I'm not exactly sure where you're supposed to put your replacement texture, as I don't use any texture packs... :P
22:04	YvesLevier	Pilcrow: You mean i can add a texture INTO VanessaE stuff. Right?
22:06	Sokomine	Pilcrow: yes, protection is not covered yet. the build chest is not finished, although it's making progress
22:06	VanessaE	what YvesLevier wants is probably a whole new cart model
22:06	VanessaE	that's not something that can be solved with a texture pack :P
22:06	YvesLevier	VanessaE: yes
22:06	Sokomine	YvesLevier: yes, you can use a texture pack and override some of the textures with your own ones (i think). but i don't remember the path for that
22:07	VanessaE	someone has to fork the carts mod and make a new carts model for it.
22:07	YvesLevier	We use carts as public transportation
22:07	Sokomine	Nihao: i've seen that amour duplication bug on a server. i don't remember which one
22:07	YvesLevier	cubes are a bit ugly
22:07	VanessaE	I can do that but I don't care to because, no offense to Pilzadam, carts mod kinda sucks
22:08	Nihao	Sokomine: OK. I enter an issue or I start a discussion?
22:09	Sokomine	oh. another model...hm, yes, that might be a problem. but models can be textured as well? there are some textures exchanged on the forum for animals. just saw a nice, dirty-looking sheep on...i believe it was xanandu. looked more intresting than the regular white one
22:09	Pilcrow	ah, if you want a model that's different. textures only puts the "paint" on the shape. the carts mod itself makes the shape.
22:09	YvesLevier	VanessaE: My Minecrat work, making our village virtually, got unanimity (all votes) at municipal council. Carts are used as transportation for people.
22:09	YvesLevier	see?
22:09	YvesLevier	*Minetest work
22:10	YvesLevier	Now township is interested
22:10	YvesLevier	i want to be cute ;)
22:10	Sokomine	YvesLevier: hmm. i'm not so much convinced about carts as a means of transport myshelf. they're a fun toy. but for getting from a to b, i prefer teleportation mods (like my travelnet)
22:10	VanessaE	why not use the pushable block mod? it has better models than carts mod
22:11	VanessaE	only difference of course is it uses monorails instead of regular rails
22:11	* Pilcrow	wholeheartedly recommends Sokomine's travelnet mod, as well.
22:11	YvesLevier	Wasnt working with your textures Vanessa, as long i understood.
22:12	VanessaE	YvesLevier: correct - HDX does not as yet support that mod.
22:12	YvesLevier	i NEED HDX
22:12	Sokomine	Nihao: i don't know. i don't have much to do with armor mods. i can only tell you that i saw this issue on a server and found it confusing. other servers do not seem to have this problem. but either armor is more like a decoration, or they're heavily changed. maybe you might want to take a look at rnd's lab...as far as fighting goes, that's certainly the most advanced server in that direction
22:12	YvesLevier	all our village made in HDX
22:12	YvesLevier	....
22:13	VanessaE	YvesLevier: pull requests against HDX are welcome ;)
22:13	YvesLevier	against?
22:13	YvesLevier	lol
22:13	Pilcrow	Nihao: I use a very old 3d_armor from before they added boots. so I'm not up to date on "newer" bugs, lol
22:13	VanessaE	YvesLevier: means make some new textures and send them to me in a Github pull request targeting HDX 512 :)
22:13	Sokomine	there was some discussion about a train mod...but i don't know how far that got? real trains won't work in mt as turning around would be...tricky...as well as sticking together
22:13	YvesLevier	k
22:13	YvesLevier	thx
22:14	YvesLevier	i love you
22:14	YvesLevier	:)
22:14	VanessaE	Sokomine: it got as far as the engines'/cars' wheel trucks moving properly on the tracks, and partial models, but I never saw anything that was rideable or properly textured.
22:14	* Sokomine	places a tooltip-less button on the channel and runs away, hoping that someone will be able to duplicate the problem or find a bug...
22:14	YvesLevier	(having no choice. VanessaE trapped me)
22:14	VanessaE	haha
22:15	Pilcrow	someone should make nodecarts. that would be so ugly, but probably more reliable than entities... :P
22:15	YvesLevier	thx everyone
22:15	Sokomine	VanessaE: a pity. it would be a great mod. but it'd also be very difficult (or almost impossible) to do
22:15	* VanessaE	looks at the current homedecor TODO and sighs
22:16	Sokomine	nodecarts? arn't pushable blocks like that? i never really looked at them closely enough
22:16	Pilcrow	possibly... I haven't looked at pushable blocks yet.
22:16	Sokomine	the current villages todo list is also pretty long still...and there are always more ideas
22:17	Sokomine	at least once i got the build-chest to be...well..useful enough, it ought to be time to release the mod
22:19	Nihao	Thanks and good night (https://github.com/stujones11/minetest-3d_armor/issues/22), see you soon!
22:21	YvesLevier	Pushable blocks work fine in HDX
22:22	YvesLevier	Carts still ugly
22:22	YvesLevier	haha
22:23	YvesLevier	VanessaE: Goal : subways ;)
22:24	YvesLevier	All is working very well. Just carts too ugly.
22:24	Sokomine	YvesLevier: there is one player who builds beautiful subway stations on all servers he comes accross. maybe you're happy and you'll get a visit from him :-)
22:25	VanessaE	there's a start of a subway on my vanilla server, in fact
22:26	YvesLevier	Sokomine: a visit from him to my world?
22:26	VanessaE	(as well as on my survival and creative servers, but with entities having problems on the latter, it doesn't work)
22:26	Sokomine	YvesLevier: yes. then that player will build a subway station on your server. they're very well built
22:26	Sokomine	VanessaE: they appear on all servers :-) jordach got several as well
22:27	Pilcrow	VanessaE: why do entities have problems in your creative server?
22:27	VanessaE	Pilcrow: the ghost entities bug
22:27	VanessaE	hits the hardest there
22:27	YvesLevier	but stations are perfect. Only carts have an ungly problem
22:28	Sokomine	hmm. maybe we ought to simulate carts: build a tunnel, and then the cart vanishes inside. put the player into a locked room and display something on the walls that gives the illusion of movement...some animated textures...
22:29	Pilcrow	VanessaE: ah... someday Minetest will have perfectly working entities... (I can dream, can't I?) :P
22:29	Sokomine	yes, let's dream of them :-)
22:30	YvesLevier	Sokomine: i figure easily. But council loved our way to travel underground and also in air...
22:30	Pilcrow	Sokomine: that simulated movement idea sounds very... over-engineered... :P
22:30	YvesLevier	Then ok... We will travel in miner's carts for now.
22:30	YvesLevier	Thats good.
22:32	YvesLevier	When inside carts. ppl dont see how they are ugly. Will work with that. Thanks since youre deaming at a solution comrades :)
22:34	Sokomine	YvesLevier: guess you might be able to use other models as well...perhaps you can find one that looks more pleasing to you
22:34	Sokomine	ah. try the one from jordachs big freaking dig. that cart afaik looked pretty good
22:35	YvesLevier	Sokomine: But how to include in HDX Van?
22:36	YvesLevier	i fear i didnt understand something that looks easy for you
22:37	Sokomine	hm. seems he currently uses only normal carts. but he did have one that looked pretty nice
22:38	Sokomine	YvesLevier: you can replace individual textures. but what you may want here is as vanessae statet another model for the cart itshelf. one that is nicer
22:39	YvesLevier	Well
22:39	YvesLevier	i trust VanessaE more than me. but if i know how, will do.
22:41	YvesLevier	Sokomine: im begging her all the time....
22:46	sofar	The minecart model could use an update. Would be nice if it could look a little bit more like an actual cart and not a box :)
22:51	Sokomine	YvesLevier: create a file textures/all/cart.png in your local copy of mt. or replace the cart.png texture in the carts mod on the server (depending on what you want). but i can't help you with creating a better texture
22:54	YvesLevier	Sokomine: Noted. I still can see how a png can be seen in different seens, but sure i will come back to you. Im vanished. Need sleep. No offence.
22:54	YvesLevier	Thank you kindly :)
22:54	sofar	I'd be interested in making a new minecart model
22:54	sofar	I can do that. Thanks to VanessaE for showing me recently
22:55	YvesLevier	sofar: go for it. me i gotosleep
22:55	YvesLevier	.)
22:55	Sokomine	YvesLevier: sleep well! and take a look at that cart.png texture in the carts/textures/ folder of the carts mod tomorrow. and then make a copy of that file and attack it with an image manipulation program :-)
22:56	Sokomine	a new carts model would certainly be nice
22:56	YvesLevier	Sokomine: will. zzzz
22:56	YvesLevier	i noted it all
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23:34	AndroidKris	Can anyone please tell me why I can't seem to make gunpowder?
23:34	Pilcrow	Yay, I figured out how to make a pull request! I fixed Nihao's issue! https://github.com/stujones11/minetest-3d_armor/pull/23
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23:39	Hijiri	group:stick is in minetest_game, right?
23:39	Pilcrow	AndroidKris: you may need to add enable_tnt = true to your minetest.conf
23:41	Pilcrow	Hijiri: I just looked into the code to check for you. default:stick has groups = {stick=1} ... so yes, group:stick should work fine
23:41	Hijiri	ok, thanks
23:41	Hijiri	I guess I could have looked at the code too
23:42	Pilcrow	lol. I had the default folder open for something else anyway... :P
23:47	Pilcrow	not much going on in here now, is there? :P
23:51	AndroidKris	Pilcrow that didn't do it.
23:52	AndroidKris	That option is for tnt, I'm just trying to make gunpowder.
23:55	Pilcrow	gunpowder comes from the tnt mod. I don't think you can get it unless tnt is enabled...
23:55	Pilcrow	I could be wrong though... :\
23:57	Pilcrow	ok, I looked in the code. pretty sure I'm right; you have to enable tnt to get gunpowder. then craft it with 1 coal lump and 1 gravel.

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