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00:23 Hijiri Is a "namespace table" a global table for holding members that otherwise might have been defined directly as separate global variables?
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00:24 VanessaE if it's the term I would have defined it, then yeah
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00:25 Hijiri ok
00:25 Hijiri it's on the lua style page
00:25 Hijiri I haven't done much lua so I'm not familiar with lua idioms
00:25 VanessaE foo = {}, foo.bar = "blah", foo.baz = "blah, and so on are better than foo_underscore_bar, foo_underscore_baz etc.
00:27 VanessaE everything remains confined to just the foo.* table, which can result in better performance.  mostly it's just better coding style and it eliminates any real chance of name collisions with some other lua program operating in the same context
00:27 VanessaE e.g. two minetest mods
00:44 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default/nodes: Make water, lava and ice is_ground_content = false fe7a982 http://git.io/ve8Lv (2015-04-06T01:43:17+01:00)
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01:00 Pilcrow Hijiri, where is this lua style page you speak of? The wiki perhaps? I've never actually seen it...
01:00 est Pilcrow, http://dev.minetest.net/Lua_code_style_guidelines
01:01 est but read the disclaimer
01:03 Pilcrow ah, thanks est. I'm sure we all develop our own 'style' as we get more comfortable with the language, but I've never read any kind of official style guide for modding...  :P
01:05 exio4 nice
01:05 exio4 hi too
01:05 Pilcrow hi exio4, how are you today?
01:06 exio4 good enough, so far, what about yours?
01:07 exio4 how 'high-order' is the code out there?
01:07 exio4 hmmm
01:07 xenkey http://a.pomf.se/vwvnsz.png just want to throw this in
01:08 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Change screenshot filename to one likely to work on all modern filesystems 43aab61 http://git.io/ve8mQ (2015-04-06T11:07:51+10:00)
01:08 Pilcrow my day's been pretty good, exio4. I've been watching movies with my sister and having some awesome food for easter...  :)
01:08 exio4 awesome food for easter? I assume chocolate, right?
01:08 exio4 \o/
01:11 exio4 http://www.lua.org/pil/6.1.html
01:11 Pilcrow well, yes, chocolate, but we usually make a big meal for easter. And most other holidays. My family doesn't need much of an excuse to eat...   :D
01:13 Pilcrow xenkey, what about it?
01:14 Pilcrow exio4, I've found that
01:14 Pilcrow * I've found that useful from time to time
01:15 Pilcrow stupid Enter key...  :P
01:15 exio4 I really want to play more with lua
01:15 est
01:15 Pilcrow
01:17 Pilcrow exio4, one thing I've also found, though, is that enclosing a function inside another gets confusing, from a readability standpoint, as the relation between locals and globals is a bit recursive...
01:17 exio4 as long as you everything is constant
01:17 exio4 I don't see the problem
01:18 est I really like the nested functions principle
01:18 Pilcrow nah, it's not really a problem. Just something to note.
01:18 est you can be truly procedural
01:18 exio4 Pilcrow: I only found "functions inside other functions" confusing when working in languages with a heavy syntatic overhead
01:19 exio4 and there are a few concepts that'd be neat if there were supported nicely by replacing syntax constructions by function calls
01:19 est yea its getting ugly with static typing
01:19 exio4 est: uh?
01:20 exio4 est: how is static typing related to the syntatic overhead of functions?
01:20 exio4 est: (as a "fun fact", one of the languages with a terse syntax for function calls and definitions is Haskell, which is static typed)
01:20 est function <string, function <int, string>> a = new function <string, function <int, string>> () (int b, function <int, string> b)
01:21 exio4 that's not static typing, but the lack of proper type inference
01:23 exio4 est: with haskell syntax, a function of a single parameter (x) that returns a function that takes another (y) and returns some fancy computation (\x y -> x^(y*2) + y^(x*2))
01:23 est thats nicer
01:24 est perhaps ill learn haskell one day
01:24 exio4 and I would consider Haskell's type system 'stronger' than Java's, C++'s, C#'s or most languages out there
01:25 exio4 est: have you heard of lambda calculus, btw?
01:25 Pilcrow exio4, I just meant that nesting functions when it isn't actually necessary can result in some really messy code. Obviously it's still an awesome feature, but it has caused me problems in the past...  :P
01:25 est exio4 yes
01:25 exio4 Pilcrow: how so?
01:26 exio4 est: well, the language that GHC compiles "normal Haskell" to is a SystemF
01:26 exio4 which is just lambda calculus
01:26 est ok
01:26 exio4 (with static types, and other awesome things)
01:27 exio4 lambda calculus is the assembler of functional languages
01:27 exio4 about static types, Java's type system isn't sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covarianc​e_and_contravariance_%28computer_scien​ce%29#Covariant_arrays_in_Java_and_C.23
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01:27 Pilcrow well, that in conjunction with a lack of comments. just coming back to code I've written long ago, and having to study it obsessively to remember how it works. I don't remember any specific examples though. I'm just not a great coder, so it happens a lot...  :P
01:28 exio4 I can be anything, but there is something I am not, and that is a great coder :D
01:28 exio4 may *
01:30 exio4 Pilcrow: it may be that my imperative mental model is a bit uh, rusty
01:30 exio4 I can barely handle more than 1 or 2 variables changing
01:30 Pilcrow oh, xenkey, did you finish work on your python/telnet thing?
01:32 Pilcrow exio4, my programming knowledge is _all_ self-taught, so my problem is and will always be comments. Most of my mods don't have any at all, tbh...
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01:33 exio4 Pilcrow: so is my programming knowledge, unless you count Dan Grossman's "Programming Languages" course (which is amazing, and I really recommend) to count as formal education
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01:33 exio4 in coursera
01:33 Pilcrow the lack of comments, among other reasons, is why I've never officially released a mod. But I'm getting close. I'd like learn the language really well before putting something out there...
01:34 exio4 the lack of comments isn't that bad, if you keep your functions clean, you shouldn't need more than really high-level comments
01:34 exio4 clear as in "being able to look at them in a few weeks and understand what it does with minimal work"
01:35 exio4 the key is keeping functions standalone, don't change state unless you really need to, and when you do, make it clear where it happens
01:36 exio4 Pilcrow: how long have you been programming?
01:37 Pilcrow since I was little, really. but programming minetest mods? maybe 2 years...  :P
01:37 exio4 no, programming in general
01:37 Pilcrow I learned on QBasic. haha
01:37 exio4 I am relatively new with this, too
01:38 exio4 I think I learned my first PL 8~ years ago
01:40 exio4 Pilcrow: have you heard of Haskell, SML, Racket, or "functional programming"
01:41 Pilcrow it's been about 19 years for me. first started messing around with code when my cousin lent us a computer and gave me a DOS floppy disc with a few QBasic games on it. I can't tell ya how many times I broke the Nibbles and Gorilla games before I figured the stuff out...  :P
01:42 * exio4 probably looks like a jehovah's witness when talking about FP
01:42 Pilcrow I've heard of Haskell, but never used it. the others, no idea.
01:42 exio4 they are also functional languages, I really recommend learning Haskell
01:44 exio4 Pilcrow: if you have some time, you could look at https://www.coursera.org/course/proglang and/or https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell
01:44 Pilcrow didn't actually realize Haskell was still in use; when people talk about it they make it seem like one of those archaic languages, like Fortran...  :P
01:45 exio4 heh
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01:50 Pilcrow I still want to learn Python. and C/C++. But I learn in obsessive streaks, and can't find that groove if I haven't found something to give me that spark.
01:52 Zeno` ya gotta groove baby
01:53 Pilcrow that's why I'm terrible at conventional learning; if I can't find something that triggers that obsession, I can't learn. On the other hand, when I DO find that spark, I can't concentrate on anything else (I even forget to eat), so going to an actual 'school' usually ends in me failing all but one class, and excelling in that one.  :\
01:53 Zeno` the groovin' is what GIVES you the spark (I suspect it's a buildup of static electricity to dragging your feet around on the carpet while groovin')
01:53 Pilcrow lol
01:57 Pilcrow btw, hello Zeno`. How was your easter?  :)
01:58 Zeno` (I should warn you... after several hours of moonwalking on da carpet do not go near flammable sources like petrol/gas pumps otherwise the spark will be a bang)
01:58 Zeno` umm, I was sick :( How was yours?
01:59 Pilcrow that sucks. we had lots of good food. my family doesn't need much of an excuse to eat...  :P
01:59 Zeno` yeah life is not fair!
01:59 * Zeno` sulks
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02:03 Pilcrow "stop being sick!" - Lenore, the Cute Little Dead Girl
02:06 Pilcrow I hope it storms again tonight. I love rain...  :3
02:10 Zeno` I dunno... you get a better static spark in dry weather
02:10 Pilcrow lol, that again?  :P
02:11 Zeno` I latch onto an idea and it stays with me for weeks
02:11 Pilcrow :D
02:14 exio4 Pilcrow: I wouldn't learn Python
02:15 Pilcrow why not, exio4? It's in pretty much all Linux distros, so I figure I'll never be without it... if I can learn it well enough, I'd think it would be a very useful tool...
02:15 exio4 it's heavily backwards in terms of 'design beauty'
02:16 exio4 it doesn't have lexical scoping, limited lamdas
02:16 exio4 lambdas*
02:16 exio4 it also has a really weird and strange idiomatic workflow when it comes to exceptions
02:17 Zeno` learn chicken
02:17 exio4 scheme? :D
02:17 Zeno` why not? :D
02:17 exio4 https://www.coursera.org/course/proglang
02:18 Pilcrow maybe I should just learn brainf*ck, lol
02:18 exio4 Dan Grossman is amazing
02:18 exio4 brainfuck has consistent semantics, at least
02:18 exio4 duh
02:18 Pilcrow lol
02:18 exio4 (it actually has lots of "implementation defined" behaviors, but whatever)
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02:20 exio4 I have to sleep :/
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02:20 Pilcrow heh. well, I want to learn Python because it'd be usefull, not because it's a great language. just common.
02:21 exio4 you could also learn PHP and Java while you are at it 8)
02:21 Pilcrow anyways, goodnight, exio4.
02:21 exio4 I am not leaving right now!
02:21 exio4 in a bit, tho :P
02:22 Pilcrow oh. I thought by saying "I have to sleep", you were announcing that you were leaving. my mistake.
02:23 Pilcrow PHP and Java wouldn't actually be a horrible idea to learn anyway. I've toyed with the idea of learning js, but I *despise* [x]html, so js would probably be annoying as well...
02:25 exio4 I wouldn't learn any of those languages unless I was looking for a job
02:26 exio4 I'd learn the  C/low-level-subset-of-C++ just because it forces you to think more about the memory layout and gives you more insights on the "low level details"
02:28 exio4 well, good night now \o
02:29 Pilcrow I'd like to learn something I can use to create a very tiny and simple document editor, supporting different fonts, sizes, and possibly alignment, but nothing else... when looking at lightweight linux distros, they usually always have Abiword, OpenOffice, or no document editor at all. I don't like that.
02:29 Pilcrow sleep well, exio4.
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02:41 stormchaser3000 hi
02:43 Pilcrow hello stormchaser3000
03:12 Hijiri wow
03:12 Hijiri hi exio4
03:14 Hijiri haskell for extending minetest would be neat, but I'm guessing there is very little chance of that happening
03:15 Hijiri unless someone writes a haskell-to-lua compiler
03:17 Pilcrow I think exio4 is gone now, Hijiri.
03:18 Pilcrow also, while I haven't programmed in haskell, a haskell-to-lua compiler sounds like a major headache...  :P
03:19 Hijiri probably
03:19 Hijiri writing a haskell runtime in lua would probably be where the most problems appear
03:21 Hijiri maybe some not-quite-haskell with haskellish syntax and convenient higher-order abstractions
03:21 Hijiri and compile-time type checking
03:21 Hijiri or lua with pattern matching
03:21 Hijiri that would probably make it a lot better on its own
03:21 Hijiri even on its own
03:22 Hijiri you could pattern match tables, or something
03:22 Hijiri like with erlang tuples
03:23 Hijiri or you specify field names and variables to bind the values to
03:23 Pilcrow wow. pattern-matching a table sounds like a really great idea...
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09:39 denis_ So, what intresting is going on?
09:40 denis_ Are any plans to implement mods like build craft/forestry/ic2/computer craft/logistic pipes?
09:43 sfan5 well
09:43 sfan5 we do have pipeworks
09:44 sfan5 !mod pipeworks
09:44 MinetestBot sfan5: Pipeworks [pipeworks] by VanessaE - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2155
09:44 sfan5 also technic
09:44 sfan5 !mod technic
09:44 MinetestBot sfan5: Technic [technic] by RealBadAngel - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2538
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10:19 xenkey denis_: ^
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11:21 Jordach xenkey, the fire and freeze wand shouldn't be so bad now
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15:20 luizrpgluiz now yes I so happy, I could change the password of some idiots players on my server,kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
15:21 xenkey ok...
15:22 luizrpgluiz just wanted to know who the joker that is going on my server as Admin
15:22 luizrpgluiz because it would be good to know that I changed his password
15:23 Krock Get no_guests
15:24 luizrpgluiz how I do it or try to predict that guests do not come on my server
15:27 Calinou use the name_restrictions mod
15:27 Calinou luizrpgluiz, http://github.com/ShadowNinja/name_restrictions
15:28 luizrpgluiz thank you
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15:45 luizrpgluiz Krock: for example, how do I put more names on the mod? I have to manually edit the mod of restricted names? or I can do right in the game?
15:45 Krock use *pad*
15:45 Krock that includes wordpad, nodepad, nodepad, geany etc
15:46 Jordach xenkey, obsidian got an upgrade
15:46 Jordach darkage and names-per-ip are enabled too
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15:59 Hijiri does it include emacs or vim?
15:59 Krock Hijiri, no, those not.
15:59 Hijiri will I break my whitelist if I don't use a graphical editor
16:00 Krock ooh :(
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17:09 Krock mhm bored. *compiles minetest*
17:09 VanessaE ok, that's 5 minutes.  what next?
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17:30 * Jordach gets bored, does more rendering
17:30 Jordach http://a.pomf.se/hpvhvg.png
17:33 VanessaE Jordach: try it with some nice scene and a bunch of homedecor's latest models
17:33 VanessaE I'm curious how they'd look with good rendered lighting etc
17:33 Jordach cubes or gtfo
17:33 VanessaE D:
17:33 VanessaE says the guy whose render has several plantlike objects visible? :P
17:37 Jordach asthetics vs high poly
17:37 LazyJ VanessaE, have you been keeping up with the Issue posts concerning the MT engine and signs_lib?
17:37 VanessaE LazyJ: somewhat.
17:38 LazyJ Any code tweaks on sign_libs end that might help?
17:38 VanessaE Jordach: "high poly" meanwhile the highest-poly model only has maybe 3000 tris (the pool table)....
17:39 VanessaE LazyJ: nothing in signs_lib needs fixed.
17:39 VanessaE it's engine failures due to network bugs afaik
17:39 VanessaE read-past-end-of-packet, that sort of thing
17:39 LazyJ Ok, thanks. I hadn't seen any input from you so I was hoping you had found a trick.
17:40 VanessaE I was just trying to mostly stay out of it
17:41 LazyJ Hmm...
17:41 DaveTheModder I heard that there is an mg_flags option to enable snow biomes, does anyone know what it is?
17:41 Krock Jordach, lovely screen
17:42 LazyJ Hopefully this will be fixed before the next stable release. Otherwise there are going to be a lot of complaints from players.
17:42 LazyJ It may drive them to servers that don't use HomeDecor.
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17:57 VanessaE I know
17:57 VanessaE of course, I'm not using 0.4.12-stable on my servers
17:57 VanessaE and I have yet to have any of the problems others are having
17:57 VanessaE so idk :-/
17:58 Calinou DaveTheModder, it's in a pull request for now
17:58 Calinou not included into Minetest
18:01 Krock One of 1000 topics about the same problem. aargh. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=6&amp;t=11746&amp;p=175236#p175230
18:03 DaveTheModder Calinou: Do you know the github link?
18:03 DaveTheModder I assume it's on github... :D
18:04 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls?​utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+snow
18:04 Krock ^ DarkNekros
18:04 Krock no. ^ DaveTheModder
18:04 DarkNekros Krock, :þ
18:05 DaveTheModder Thanks, Krock
18:05 Krock DN: Sorry; DTN: No problem.
18:11 Krock <3 the new loading bar
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18:37 Bikemare Hi. Please give my new minetest subgame a try. Fork it on Github if you have chance.https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&amp​;t=11731&amp;sid=44f55f9fcf3661d4fc7c62664a242867
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18:44 Krock The _GET["sid" is not required in your link /useless command
18:44 Krock s/*and/*ent
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18:56 xenkey ]
19:01 Krock xenkey, thanks (
19:02 xenkey )
19:02 Krock xD
19:02 xenkey What window managers/desktop environments/distros do you guys use?
19:02 xenkey And which fonts do you prefer?
19:06 Calinou Xfce, Noto Sans
19:06 Calinou Debian jessie
19:06 Calinou this is a must have, xenkey: http://github.com/google/fonts
19:06 Calinou 1674 fonts
19:06 Calinou all freely licensed, available as .ttf
19:07 Calinou http://openfontlibrary.org/ has lots of free fonts too
19:07 xenkey Ah nice, but I tend to stick with one or two
19:07 xenkey or three or four
19:07 xenkey bspwm, DejaVu Sans Book, Arch linux here
19:07 xenkey I prefer PragmataPro for the terminal
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19:12 Calinou you can install all Google fonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype
19:12 Calinou they'll be available in all applications
19:13 xenkey I can just shove them in .fonts and do fc-cache though :)
19:13 xenkey I have noto sans but it's too narrow for me
19:13 xenkey I wonder if i can change the minetest font
19:13 xenkey I mean I can but...
19:14 xenkey does minetest have any man pages?
19:14 xenkey Oo
19:14 xenkey man 5 minetest.conf ;_;
19:14 Calinou probably out of date
19:15 xenkey nonexistant
19:15 Calinou Open Sans is like Noto Sans, but slightly lighter
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19:15 kahrl well there's minetest.6 and minetestserver.6
19:17 xenkey http://a.pomf.se/rdzzkd.png thoughts?
19:19 Calinou ugly, very ugly
19:19 Calinou don't use a fixed-width font when you don't need it
19:19 Calinou even for IRC, I use a proportional font
19:19 Calinou Noto Sans looks just fine in the game
19:19 Calinou and Liberation Mono is a nice fixed-width font
19:20 xenkey I'm going to try DejaVu Sans
19:20 Calinou lol
19:20 Calinou overused font
19:20 Calinou this is the Comic Sans of free software
19:21 xenkey Because it's nice
19:21 Calinou it looks rather ugly and is too wide
19:21 Calinou it's tasteless
19:22 xenkey I agree, and I have tried many other fonts, but this one just "fits" and I keep going back to it
19:22 xenkey I use a tiling wm though, I rarely see any form of GUI :)
19:26 Hijiri I'm using xmonad with debian jessie
19:26 Hijiri I have no idea about fonts and things are often ugly
19:26 Hijiri especially in wine
19:26 Hijiri in japanese applications
19:26 xenkey Yeah
19:27 xenkey I think Debian is boring
19:27 xenkey Stable but I'm in need of something a bit more exotic
19:27 xenkey Arch's systemd is rather bloated
19:28 Hijiri I was thinking of trying NixOS
19:29 xenkey font_path = "/usr/share/fonts/ttf-deja​vu-ib/DejaVuSansMono.ttf" minetest doesn't like this :(
19:29 xenkey I'm using infinality fonts patch by the way
19:30 Calinou Debian jessie isn't that stable :p
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19:31 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
19:34 thefamilygrog66 Someone asked for cats on my server, so I added this guy: https://youtu.be/L6bNDVgo9bg
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19:35 jin_xi thefamilygrog66: nice
19:35 thefamilygrog66 thanks!
19:35 VanessaE haha
19:36 thefamilygrog66 :)
19:36 xenkey thefamilygrog66: jesus dude that framerate
19:37 thefamilygrog66 that's the CamStudio, xenkey
19:37 xenkey On windows right?
19:37 thefamilygrog66 yeah
19:38 thefamilygrog66 it doesn't look that crappy when I'm just playing it
19:38 xenkey it looks a bit blocky
19:38 thefamilygrog66 CamStudio
19:38 thefamilygrog66 it's a blocky nyan cat yes
19:39 thefamilygrog66 with a particle spawner rainbow trail...
19:40 Krock wtf. how the hell can I rotate a stair upsidedown with the new screwdriver?
19:41 thefamilygrog66 right-click
19:41 thefamilygrog66 Krock
19:41 thefamilygrog66 and left-click.
19:41 thefamilygrog66 it's kinda awkward
19:41 xenkey then middle click
19:41 xenkey then press the red button
19:41 thefamilygrog66 haha
19:41 Krock xenkey, very helpful, thanks.
19:41 thefamilygrog66 I still prefer it to the different types of screwdriver
19:42 Krock thefamilygrog66, hmm let's test it
19:42 xenkey Hey krock do you want a picture of your name in sexy fonts
19:42 xenkey http://a.uguu.se/lobafg_tmp.Cx89oryZCb.png
19:42 Krock I prefer Courier New
19:42 thefamilygrog66 Comic Sans
19:42 xenkey Comic Sans MS for life
19:43 thefamilygrog66 Krock: it's all right-clicks, apparently
19:43 Krock thefamilygrog66, uhm no.
19:44 thefamilygrog66 Krock - yeah, if I click on the same face of stairs 5 times
19:45 Krock screwdriver's 2/3 used and I rotated 2 or 20 stairs! \o/
19:45 Krock *of
19:45 thefamilygrog66 gonna need a bigger screwdriver...
19:45 Calinou thefamilygrog66, try Open Broadcaster Software for recording on Windos
19:45 xenkey I wonder if comic sans will look *that* bad in mt///
19:45 xenkey s/\/\/\//\//
19:45 Krock xenkey, test it. there are minetest.conf settings
19:45 thefamilygrog66 at least the font size in mt is big enough for me not to have to squint now
19:46 * thefamilygrog66 has old eyes
19:46 xenkey Ye i know
19:54 * Krock secretly gives xenkey a +1 for that genius answer
19:55 xenkey :)
19:56 Krock Somehow I like those answers, they're funny
19:56 xenkey i dont get it
19:56 xenkey what did i do
19:56 Krock <xenkey>then press the red button
19:57 xenkey Hehe
19:57 xenkey A wild netsplit appears.
20:00 xenkey What's your client Krock ?
20:00 Krock IRC client? Nettalk
20:00 Krock /ctcp Krock version
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20:01 xenkey effort sorry
20:01 xenkey i ctcp people, they say i could have asked them, i ask them, they tell me to ctcp them
20:01 xenkey life isn't fair :(
20:08 Krock Lol, someone in game: "i maent for xbox im playen right now minecraft 11\2" and my answer: "wow and I got Minetest 0.4.12 with current Git HEAD". Almost feel like a nerd.
20:09 Calinou https://instant.io/#e51c936538​695352decc91e3afe4aa975bbb75c4
20:09 xenkey insult them from me please
20:09 Calinou can someone try this link?
20:09 xenkey maybe
20:09 Calinou this is in-browser torrenting using WebTorrent
20:09 Calinou (it's a 500 KB file, very small)
20:10 Krock the link works, if you mean that
20:10 Calinou was a file downloaded?
20:10 xenkey nop
20:11 Krock nope here aswell
20:11 xenkey you mean nop
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20:36 thefamilygrog66 I'm receiving a lot of "Unknown data object in animation of .x file: AnimTicksPerSecond" - any idea how to fix those?
20:37 Calinou thefamilygrog66, remove reference to AnimTicksPerSecond in .x file (open with a text editor)
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20:38 thefamilygrog66 cool, thanks Calinou
20:40 Bikemare hey family grog, I used your mod "Nyan cats" in my subgame.
20:41 Bikemare thefamilygrog66: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&amp​;t=11731&amp;sid=44f55f9fcf3661d4fc7c62664a242867
20:42 thefamilygrog66 Bikemare, you mean the spawning eggs mod?
20:42 Bikemare yes
20:43 thefamilygrog66 cool
20:43 Bikemare I needed to make more rainbows for a part of the game.
20:44 thefamilygrog66 on my newest server, I've created some mob spawning entities, that spawn monsters or peaceful mobs
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20:46 Bikemare The fundamental part of the game so far is spawning by players on teams.  they attack other team players but not yours.
20:47 Bikemare attack other teams'players
20:47 thefamilygrog66 nice idea.
20:48 thefamilygrog66 which mobs mod are you using?
20:48 thefamilygrog66 (or have modified)
20:49 Bikemare Modified mobs and zmobs. Also used cute cubic mod.  One egg spawns several random cubic mobs which are now monsters.
20:52 thefamilygrog66 right on
20:54 thefamilygrog66 I've tweaked mobs redo, adding punching/death sounds and vast quantities of blood.
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21:54 * Pilcrow pokes #minetest
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22:09 xenkey #minetest pokes Pilcrow
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22:18 * Pilcrow hates it when his computer crashes....
22:18 jordan4ibanez Time to buy a new one
22:19 Pilcrow nah, time to get a job so I can afford a new external drive, then wipe this ancient Linux from 2012 and install something that works....  :P
22:21 Pilcrow btw, I see that #minetest poked me back; hello, xenkey!  :P
22:21 exio4 hi
22:21 exio4 how does a computer crash, too
22:21 exio4 maybe the software did
22:23 Pilcrow lol yes, exio4. it was the old crappy software. but to be fair, I'd consider the software a part of the computer, since it is unuseable without software. it's just a replaceable, non-physical part...  :P
22:23 jordan4ibanez My pc used to be overclocked so the hardware used to crash
22:24 Pilcrow my other computer locks up due to systemd errors...
22:24 * Pilcrow shakes a fist at systemd
22:26 OldCoder I will actually pay a blender person to add space helmets to cow modeld
22:26 OldCoder models *
22:26 OldCoder Any takers?
22:27 OldCoder I'm going to keep the MOOn Cows so they need space helmets
22:27 kahrl modeld? don't give Lennart ideas...
22:30 Pilcrow not related to OldCoder's question, but I wonder if there's a way to convert a nodebox to a simple, non-animated 3d model for use as an entity...
22:32 exio4 kahrl: he is already planning "browserd"
22:33 exio4 a web browser daemon depending on logind, networkd, hostnamed
22:35 exio4 anyway, you should look at hostnamed
22:35 exio4 it looks like a joke
22:35 exio4 but, sadly, it is real
22:37 Pilcrow ugh. even more shit piled on systemd...  :/
22:37 exio4 don't worry, systemd is the future
22:41 jordan4ibanez Why do people get so mad about systemd?
22:41 exio4 because it is a bunch of tools meant to replace other tools, but the news ones don't work properly in corner cases // non "standard" behavior // where the old tools where flexible enough
22:42 Pilcrow I gave it a fair chance, but I know all too well that everything comes toppling down if systemd malfunctions. the old sysvinit definitely needed replacing, but systemd just does too much for its own good, and goes against the linux mentality of 'do one thing and do it well'...
22:43 exio4 they basically replaced "hacky but working tools" with "hacky and not working tools"
22:44 exio4 (but claiming they aren't hacky, and that they work)
22:45 Pilcrow and yes, systemd is not horrible. when it works. but that's just the issue; it often doesn't.
22:46 Pilcrow at least, it goofs more often than most alternatives, including the old sysvinit.
22:46 exio4 systemd also suffers from NIH + scope creep
22:46 Pilcrow I'm horrible with acronyms. NIH?
22:47 exio4 not invented here
22:48 OldCoder kahrl, :-)
22:48 * OldCoder is not a systemd fan
22:48 * OldCoder wishes to systemd ban
22:49 OldCoder BTW I'm serious about paying for Blender help or lessons
22:49 OldCoder My cows need helmets
22:49 OldCoder Moo
22:50 Pilcrow ah, thanks, exio4. And yes, the scope creep is probably the biggest issue for me; they work on new features instead of stabilizing the ones they have. That's not such a bad design choice for certain applications, but for an underlying daemon that the entire system depends on? Not good...
22:50 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Make comments consistent with TOSERVER_INIT -> TOSERVER_INIT_LEGACY rename f817597 http://git.io/veuNh (2015-04-07T00:15:15+02:00)
22:50 exio4 my blender skills are about the same as my social skills
22:51 exio4 nonexistant
22:51 exio4 Pilcrow: pretty much they like doing the fun things of programming low-level things, but not the boring ones
22:52 OldCoder Pilcrow, it is a RedHat power grab; too much control over Linux fundamentals
22:55 Pilcrow I think systemd *could* be good, if they stripped off all the bloated features and worked on stabilizing the core ones, but I don't think the official team will... which is why I'm keeping an eye on uselessd, which tries to do just that (although, calling iteslf useless isn't going to attract many people, lol)
22:56 exio4 I didn't want to mention redhat because then it sounds like a conspiracy theory
22:56 exio4 Pilcrow: it is the daemon that uses less memory, right?
22:56 * exio4 hides
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22:59 Pilcrow I suppose so, exio4. I didn't really look into the reason behind the name. But it is a systemd fork and, according to Wikipedia, "The project seeks to remove features and programs deemed unnecessary for an init system, increase implementation modularity, improve portability across platforms, as well as address other perceived faults"
22:59 exio4 I know
23:00 Pilcrow oh ok
23:00 exio4 I was making fun out of the name, like the main developer did in the mainpage
23:01 Pilcrow ^ I didn't see that, exio4
23:02 exio4 :P
23:06 Pilcrow maybe we should just port BSD init to linux...  :P
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23:10 Pilcrow hello Enke
23:15 exio4 we just have to port reactos' init system
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23:18 Danm992_ Hello, I made a map on minetest and then all the sudden I try going back into it later and I keep getting this error: "serverEnvironment::Loadmeta EnvArgsEnd not found" only one instance of the program is open, please help :(
23:21 exio4 :r
23:21 exio4 er, sorry
23:21 Danm992_ :( Ok, I have another question: How do I play different gametypes? Like survival mode etc
23:26 est31 Danm992_ the envargsend error can be solved with deleting the env_meta.txt file (if its empty)
23:26 est31 and you can set survival mode and others when launching the game
23:26 Enke You can play different "subgame" modes by selecting the one you want at world gen. In addition to the subgames, you can also specify whether creative mode or damage is on for the particular instance you are playing the game.
23:26 Enke Heh, ninja'd.
23:27 Danm992_ I don't know how to set subgamess
23:27 Enke When you make a new world, there's an option to select what subgame you want. You can download other subgames from the forums at forum.minetest.net
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23:28 Danm992_ Hmm so does it come with any by default or was I suppose to download them seperate?
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23:30 Enke I beleive you get the default subgame, minetest_game, when you download the client.
23:30 Enke The exception is if you pulled the git repo.
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23:33 Pilcrow Danm992_, "creative mode" and "enable damage" are in the main menu. If you need more than that, you can go to the forum's subgame section, download one, and extract it into (minetest-folder)/games ... If you've done it right, a new icon will appear at the bottom of the main window when you start minetest. These subgames are basically "modded" games, so some of them have mobs, hunger, etc.
23:37 Pilcrow heh, that was a long message... :P
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23:39 Pilcrow hello again, Hijiri. How's it going?  :)
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