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00:02 Sur3 how do i kill the lava monster, do i need water to kill it? o.O
00:07 bleak_fire_ is a server automatically "public"?
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00:16 everamzah bleak_fire_: no, only if server_announce = 1 in your minetest.conf
00:18 Johnsen2 LILLY-THE-TROLLER
00:18 Johnsen2 Huh, i got trolled by a person named LILLY.
00:19 Johnsen2 She granted me all privilages then revoked them all: bullying me though
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00:31 kdmine hi, how is called the mod of the complete crafting guide?
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00:34 bleak_fire_ after installing a bunch of mods moreblocks crashes
00:34 kdmine hi, how is called the mod of the complete crafting guide?
00:34 bleak_fire_ homedecor_modpack/building_blocks/init.lua:274: attempt to index global 'stairsplus' (a nil value)
00:35 bleak_fire_ and if i remove moreblocks it goes away
00:35 bleak_fire_ but i never had that problem before
00:35 bleak_fire_ is there a way to regenerate stuff?
00:36 kdmine hi, how is called the mod of the complete crafting guide?
00:37 everamzah i don't know what you mean by regenerate, but all i can guess is to make sure homedecor is up to date.
00:37 bleak_fire_ i was using the built-in repository one
00:37 bleak_fire_ maybe it's incompatible with the minetest-stable repository latest version
00:37 bleak_fire_ so will download from forum
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00:41 bleak_fire_ dammit moreblocks is a tarbomb
00:43 fireglow hm?
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01:34 bleak_fire_ how do you disable built-in mods (like tnt, etc(
01:34 bleak_fire_ the ones in /usr/share/minetest/games
01:34 everamzah tnt is disabled by default in multiplayer. you have to enter enable_tnt = true in minetest.conf to enable it
01:35 everamzah https://github.com/minetest/minetest_g​ame/blob/master/minetest.conf.example shows some of these options
01:36 everamzah otherwise, if you want to disable minetest_game mods, AFAIK, you have to override them in a new custom mod.
01:39 bleak_fire_ even though it says in /mods?
01:40 everamzah i don't know that you can disable specific mods that are part of an encompassing sub-game like minetest_game.
01:40 everamzah whether*
01:43 bleak_fire_ well it's not in unified_inventory so i guess you're right
01:44 everamzah i misunderstood.  tnt mod is loaded, but disabled by default somehow.
01:54 fireglow create a empty directory in world/worldmods/
01:54 fireglow and an empty init.lua in the mod directory
01:56 everamzah so if i wanted to disable for example boats i'd make an empty world/worldmods/boat/init.lua ?
01:57 fireglow yip
01:58 fireglow looks like this in the log:
01:58 fireglow ACTION[main]: WARNING: Mod name conflict detected: "screwdriver"
01:58 fireglow ACTION[main]: Will not load: /srv/minetest/bin/../games/mi​netest_game/mods/screwdriver
01:58 fireglow ACTION[main]: Overridden by: /srv/minetest/world/worldmods/screwdriver
01:58 fireglow was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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01:58 fireglow quite
01:58 everamzah excellent thanks
02:03 fireglow np :)
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02:21 Tablet_One Grr
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02:22 Tablet_One Dang laptop is less reliable than this tablet xD
02:23 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix endianness inconsistency with PcgRandom::bytes() 9fc2b93 http://git.io/hxX3 (2015-03-23T22:23:16-04:00)
02:23 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Schematics: Error if unable to open file a423202 http://git.io/hxXs (2015-03-23T22:22:14-04:00)
02:24 * orbea tries voxelands and quickly decides he prefers minetest
02:25 orbea minetest on a slow server with leveldb has a faster generating map than voxelands single player lol
02:25 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Add core.register_schematic() and cache schematics on use 732d7b9 http://git.io/hxXV (2015-03-23T22:23:38-04:00)
02:25 hmmmm is voxellands the minetest-classic offshoot?
02:26 orbea its a minetest fork made by people that wanted minetest to be more ootb I think
02:26 hmmmm if they forked a revision before like 0.4.5 or 0.4.6, i can easily see how their map generation is so slow
02:27 hmmmm i optimized light spreading and perlin noise by factors of like 22x
02:27 orbea more info here http://wiki.minetest.net/O​verview_of_Minetest_forks
02:27 orbea ah, that makes sense :)
02:27 hmmmm it's really easy to implement my faster algorithms into their code; they should try that out sometime
02:27 hmmmm it won't bite
02:28 * orbea hopes they notice, but sticks with minetest anyways
02:29 hmmmm well it all depends on what you're looking for
02:29 hmmmm voxelands to my understanding is trying to be more like a game
02:29 orbea I like the extensibility of minetest
02:30 hmmmm minetest is not... a game.  people make games through combinations of various mods
02:30 orbea and also the commnunity seems better
02:30 exio4 minetest is an engine?
02:30 hmmmm duh
02:30 exio4 hi, too :P
02:30 orbea better as in larger with more activity
02:30 hmmmm yeah, but that's beside the point
02:30 hmmmm there will always be more activity in the original project than there is the fork
02:31 orbea true
02:31 exio4 not always
02:31 exio4 what if the fork is a continuation of a dead project? :P
02:31 orbea yea, if the fork is just better
02:31 orbea like mpv and mplayer
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03:13 Tablet_One I apologize for my laptop's behaviour
03:14 Tablet_One Rebooting momentarily, hopefully that will fix it
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03:21 Tablet_One @$#!
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03:26 Tablet_One That is quite frustrating
03:26 Tablet_One Might have to reinstall the whole friggen OS :/
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03:27 Tablet_One Hello Zeno`:)
03:28 Zeno` wassup :)
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03:31 Sokomine hmm. i need better rotation code for rotation, considering mirroring where possible. doesn't anyone happen to have translation tables at hand? :-)
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04:24 Sokomine hmm. or how about a we->mts converter? could use one right now. it'd make things a lot easier
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04:56 orbea is there anything I need to do to get the default farming mod to work?  Wheat grows to the first stage and then just does nothing
04:57 orbea or do I need one of the farming extension mods?
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09:27 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Chocolate Covered Raisins Day! :-D
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10:29 bleak_fire_ hi
10:29 bleak_fire_ i've been setting up a server tonight
10:30 bleak_fire_ but i dont see it in the public list
10:30 bleak_fire_ is there a delay or am i doing something wrong?
10:30 bleak_fire_ i have server_announce = 1
10:30 bleak_fire_ and the output on the terminal says it's announced itself
10:33 bleak_fire_ oh here it is i just had to add the ip and port to the minetest.conf
10:36 bleak_fire_ btw it's called "D R E A M" with IP 45.56.109.109
10:36 bleak_fire_ will post a forum soon
10:36 bleak_fire_ but i have to go to bed as it's almost 7 AM
10:37 Calinou bleak_fire_, you have cURL installed on the server?
10:37 Calinou and compiled with support for it
10:37 bleak_fire_ it's very similar to pizza server but with a few differences
10:37 bleak_fire_ it's linode
10:37 bleak_fire_ no problems anymore after i set the config right
10:40 bleak_fire_ refresh the public server list and try and connect
10:43 bleak_fire_ ok had a few connections who are playing now
10:44 bleak_fire_ goodnight
10:44 bleak_fire_ thank you everyone
10:44 bleak_fire_ for helping me out all night
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12:15 luizrpgluiz hi
12:16 Zeno` greetings fellow IRCian
12:19 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Slow down the "key repeat" touch speed for some Android controls 9fbc3a8 http://git.io/hhXU (2015-03-24T22:19:32+10:00)
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12:24 Zeno` take me to your leader
12:24 deezl good morning Zeno`
12:24 Zeno` guten morgen deezl
12:24 Zeno` !
12:24 Zeno` that's French for good morning
12:25 deezl er...
12:25 Zeno` or... Danish. I dunno, something
12:25 deezl Deutsch
12:25 Zeno` no swearing!
12:25 deezl o.O
12:25 deezl that was just a sneeze
12:25 Zeno` hehe
12:26 Zeno` How's things, deezl?
12:26 Zeno` All quiet on the home front? I'm so tired after today I haven't even looked (bad server admin!)
12:26 deezl not bad, hanging out on JD-Pub atm
12:27 Zeno` pub? Sounds good to me
12:27 deezl amen!
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12:29 deezl Jordach's new server, it appears he is trying to supplant mtz as the pre-eminent server on #minetest
12:31 Zeno` oh :(
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12:32 deezl fear not
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12:32 deezl btw, if you didn't see him, Odin's been around a bit lately :D
12:33 Zeno` no :-o
12:34 Zeno` I need to get out of my bug fixing tunnel vision and be more sociable hehe
12:34 deezl we appreciate all your hard work sir
12:34 deezl though it would be nice for you to come play once in awhile :D
12:34 Zeno` I've become a hermit
12:35 Zeno` just like on Monty Python
12:35 Zeno` a hermit living in a community lol
12:35 deezl hehe
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12:38 deezl oh, Zeno` there was a netsplit yesterday on Inchra, mtz is now speaking through osiris again
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12:38 Zeno` hmm. I'll restart it
12:38 deezl oh its ok now
12:38 Zeno` oh :)
12:39 deezl it had been connecting through horus
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12:39 Zeno` I didn't even know mtz could connect to that particular server
12:39 deezl I just moved it to osiris
12:39 Zeno` surprised it worked, but cool :)
12:40 deezl well, I pulled some tmux shenanigans and edited the .conf
12:40 deezl :D
12:41 Zeno` h4x0r!
12:41 deezl hehe, not really
12:41 Zeno` xD
12:44 deezl argh, gotta run, broken petrol stations all over the place
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12:44 deezl cyas
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14:26 zero-ghost hello evryone
14:26 zero-ghost can't believe i'm only just now hearing of the open source minecraft
14:26 coagen yep
14:26 coagen 5 years now
14:26 zero-ghost I wanna kick myself but goddamn thanks for making this if devs are listening
14:26 zero-ghost i got a little problem here
14:26 coagen what is the problem?
14:27 zero-ghost I run everything in sandboxie on windows, because well trust-no-software, and because i just want to play by myself for now I tell the minetest sandbox it cant touch the internet
14:27 zero-ghost but then i go to start the game locally and get "socket error"
14:28 zero-ghost sry specifically: ERROR: Some exception: "Failed to create socket"
14:28 coagen zero-ghost: well the program may be using local sockets to connect to itself
14:28 coagen as it is designed to be a network game
14:29 zero-ghost yea i figured that
14:29 zero-ghost so is there a way to work around it without having to let the sandbox call out to the internet
14:29 coagen is it allowed to open/create tcp/ip sockets/ports to localhost?
14:29 coagen hmm, I don't know if the problem is it trying to connect to the internet, I'm guessing just localhost?
14:30 zero-ghost i dont exactly know what sandboxie does when you choose to "block all programs" within a sandbox from accessing the internet
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14:30 zero-ghost it probably does include loopback
14:32 Karlton zero-ghost: Minetest is free/libre software, you can view the source and compile it if you want. No need for sandbox.
14:32 zero-ghost i know all good, i also cant program yet so thats a no go
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14:32 Karlton if your that paranoid I wouldn't be using windows in the first place
14:32 zero-ghost besides sandboxie just keeps the system and registry all clean anyway
14:33 zero-ghost ^ this more-so
14:33 zero-ghost i have no problem giving it internet, i just dont think i should have to
14:33 zero-ghost for just messing around locally
14:37 Karlton yeah I think it needs localhost
14:37 Karlton because it runs as a server
14:37 zero-ghost yea
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14:41 twoelk zero-ghost: actually this shouldn't happen. Have you tried another maybe older build
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14:47 zero-ghost nope jsut tried the latest
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14:51 coagen why not just run it on manjaro, or any other linux distro you like?
14:52 Karlton the problem is the sandbox
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14:53 Karlton it needs to run the server locally
14:55 Karlton idk how the window build I done, but I know you can compile it as a mobile version. So everything would run inside the source directory and not install anything
14:55 Karlton windows build is done*
14:55 zero-ghost i have to keep windows as my main because of a crazy hardware defect that freezes the computer while doing certain things, it will freeze on any OS it just freezes the least on win7
14:55 zero-ghost but yea i did run it in one of my linux VMs but it had internet so it ran fine
14:55 zero-ghost i just allowed it internet and of coarse it started
14:57 Karlton it only needs lan because I can run it without being connected to the internet
14:57 zero-ghost yea im sure it would run fine if i just used a firewall to deny it any kind of network access
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14:58 zero-ghost but im guessing sandboxie doesnt let programs even create sockets
14:58 zero-ghost or just blocks loopback as well as any other connection
14:58 Karlton can't allow it for 127.0.0.1?
14:59 zero-ghost nah sandboxie doesnt have firewall like options
14:59 zero-ghost allow all, none, or certain exe's
15:00 zero-ghost on a sidenote im sure i was able to run minecraft like that before
15:00 zero-ghost or i'll just install minecraft in a new sandbox right now and try it
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15:01 twoelk I just run some run-in-place version, mostly Krock's or sfan5's and even if I dissallow internet it simply works
15:03 zero-ghost where would i get those versions
15:04 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=42 <- have a look there
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15:05 twoelk just the link from unofficial builds from the main page under download
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15:07 twoelk you should be able to choose between at least 3 builds for windows and about almost a dozen flavours there
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15:15 zero-ghost someone is some other IRC told me about terasology
15:15 zero-ghost bitter rivals? or does minetest work together with them? is one a fork of the other
15:15 coagen zero-ghost: it requires java
15:16 coagen zero-ghost: go ahead and run java :|
15:16 coagen if you trust it :|
15:16 zero-ghost :-p
15:16 zero-ghost so bitter rivals then
15:16 coagen haha
15:16 coagen I think not
15:16 coagen I just hate java
15:16 coagen terasology is really neat tho
15:16 coagen I really like the concept, and the graphics are amazing
15:16 zero-ghost windows only tho?
15:16 coagen I just wish it wasn't java
15:16 coagen nope
15:16 coagen runs fine on osx and linux
15:17 coagen afaik
15:17 zero-ghost but does it download anything from the server?
15:17 zero-ghost thats the problem with java is getting applets from some server and them running on your pc without knowing what theyre doing
15:18 zero-ghost if youre just running a client on your pc its the same as running c++ minetest without reviewing the source yourself
15:18 coagen zero-ghost: Don't think so... the package downloads a big jar, which "is" the client afaik
15:18 coagen err
15:18 coagen I mean
15:18 zero-ghost ah well yea in that case
15:18 coagen in the package is a big jar
15:18 zero-ghost however if you host your own server that problem also goes away
15:19 coagen each client can be a server, afaik
15:19 coagen same with mc,mt,etc
15:20 zero-ghost yea i guess i can see being cautious if your running a public server or something in that case
15:20 Karlton Does Fess provide the source for his build? what did he do to get Directx support?
15:20 zero-ghost but if its just you and your friends i dont think java makes any difference than c++ or anything else
15:22 twoelk java needs better hardware
15:22 twoelk mt runs well enough on older machines
15:23 zero-ghost anyone make any high deff packs for minetest?
15:24 zero-ghost for those of us for are graphics whores
15:24 twoelk try hdx from VanessaE iff you want to torture your pc
15:24 Karlton zero-ghost: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1583
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15:27 twoelk afk
15:27 zero-ghost yikes
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15:30 Megaf Folks, sometimes this happens a lot
15:30 Megaf 11:28:43: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player Zuruck tried to access [node under=10538,10574,10445 above=10539,10574,10445] from too far: d=599.346, max_d=140. ignoring.
15:30 Megaf What does it means? That the player has lag
15:30 Megaf ?
15:32 coagen they were too far away
15:32 coagen from the block?
15:32 coagen right?
15:33 Megaf I think the player had moved to somewhere
15:33 Megaf server is not aware of that, and when the player tries to interact, that happens
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15:38 Zeno` it's a combination of lag and/or anti-cheat code
15:38 Zeno` (and the anti-cheat code is related to lag... so lag)
15:39 Zeno` well, unless they're really cheating :)
15:48 Megaf Zeno`: not cheating, and anti-cheat is disabled, or at least it should be
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16:31 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Update timestamp to include date 2641fcc http://git.io/jeEk (2015-03-25T02:30:17+10:00)
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16:57 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Change filename of screenshots to something more human readable 4fbcfac http://git.io/jeM3 (2015-03-25T02:55:28+10:00)
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17:37 xenkey Hi
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17:38 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:38 stormchaser3000 hi
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18:24 Krock ,12hello
18:24 Jordach hello m8
18:26 xenkey yo
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18:54 Nihao Greetings, oh protectors of the cube!
18:54 Nihao Hope you are hungry :)
18:54 Nihao I have two more bugs to offer.....
18:54 Nihao a) Airtight Pipe entry/exit: attempt to place it causes server crash.
18:55 Nihao b) Spigot Outlet: Using screwdriver on it causes server crash.
18:55 Nihao Logs follow (thanks to -Kiba- we got this bug. He reproduced it systematically in singleplayer game)
18:55 Nihao http://pastebin.com/zvcVGJE3
18:56 rubenwardy VanessaE ^
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19:05 VanessaE Nihao: ok, will fix soon.
19:05 VanessaE G*d damned screwdriver mod is more trouble than it's worth >:-(
19:06 Jordach blame RBA for introducing multiaxis rotations
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19:07 VanessaE Nihao: for now, for the airtight entry, uninstall pipeworks and go look at the coordinates where the failed place action occurred, remove all unknown nodes immediately adjacent, then reinstall pipeworks.
19:07 VanessaE (or just uninstall pipeworks and leave it out until I fix it)
19:08 VanessaE (or try the new_flow_logic branch, both of those bugs have already been fixed there)
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19:12 Nihao VanessaE: Thanks for the fast reaction and advice. We chose solution 1. Had to kick 15 players....
19:12 Nihao 2 is not an option: too many people use it
19:13 Nihao 3: I discuss that point with the admin.
19:13 Nihao Thanks a lot!
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19:15 Nihao I am so sorry only coming here to talk about bugs :(   actually, I like you guys :)
19:15 VanessaE Nihao:  ok.  reason for #1 is I'm guessing that the airtight fitting was probably placed next to an undefined node left over from some other mod
19:15 VanessaE oh it's no worry
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19:19 Nihao VanessaE: I did not ask this question, but I know -Kiba-, the guy who was building what made the server crash. He would not have left a unknown item in his range :)
19:21 VanessaE odd.  maybe a rotation glitch
19:21 VanessaE well anyway I'll fix it
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