Time Nick Message 03:09 Tablet_One Hello Zeno` :) 03:09 Zeno` Greetings :) 03:43 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix minetest.get_craft_recipe function 135b5c498 http://git.io/h72X (152015-03-23T13:40:20+10:00) 03:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix cmake po detection bug 13c31c87a http://git.io/h72A (152015-03-23T13:43:18+10:00) 04:12 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix Android build on 32 bit 1315d9cd3 http://git.io/h7oI (152015-03-23T14:11:39+10:00) 07:04 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Warr1024 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix for sun/moon tonemaps: don't upscale 1px images. 136cf7c89 http://git.io/h7pG (152015-03-23T17:01:37+10:00) 09:34 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Near Miss Day! :-D 10:10 est31 finally, minetest is also available in the f-droid app store! https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=mine&fdid=net.minetest.minetest 10:22 Calinou https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=mine&fdid=net.minetest.minetest 10:22 Calinou yay 10:24 est31 this url is better Calinou: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.minetest.minetest 10:24 est31 realized it right now 10:24 Calinou added F-Droid link in topic 10:25 est31 great 10:33 est31 and it seems freeminer isnt far away either : https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/merge_requests/647 10:36 est31 btw Calinou could you make more distinct ore images for tin and silver? I always mix them up 10:36 est31 at mining, and at crafting 10:53 DosAmp How can you create a user on the minetest wikis (either wiki or dev)? It says "To help protect against automated account creation, please select just the cat photos in the box below", but there's no CAPTCHA loading 10:53 DosAmp if I look into the browser console, it says that the host "challenge.asirra.com" cannot be found 10:53 est31 DosAmp, ask an admin, those captcha plugins are broken 10:54 DosAmp that's why I'm here 10:54 est31 so best is you just wait :) 11:11 farfadet46 hi 11:12 est31 hi :) 11:13 est31 Zeno`, are you an admin for the wikis? 11:13 est31 one of them at least? read log 4 this channel 11:13 Zeno` admin no 11:13 Zeno` I can edit them 11:13 Zeno` est31, Calinou ^^ is the one you need to speak to :D 11:13 Zeno` perfect timing heh 11:14 est31 DosAmp wants, rather. 11:14 Calinou so, I read the IRC log 11:14 Calinou I see that DosAmp wants a wiki account 11:15 Calinou DosAmp, PM me your e-mail address (/msg Calinou ) 11:15 Calinou I'll create you an account for both wiki and dev 14:16 APEXiT Does anyone make money with minetest servers? 14:47 luizrpgluiz hi 14:48 APEXiT hi 15:00 Calinou APEXiT, I doubt anyone makes a profit of it (although that's perfectly legal) 15:00 Calinou you are allowed to sell items and such for real money 15:01 APEXiT Calinou. OK. Thanks. I was just looking at the userbase for Minecraft. 18 million premium users... Thinking about ways to monitize, but I really like the open source nature of minetest 15:03 Calinou money isn't the thing that matters here 15:05 APEXiT yeah. I agree. I am building community in my local neighborhood and am not a lover of money, but money is required for survival in the culture I live in. If people are willing to pay for something, that might provide income for my family. 15:07 Calinou I suggest not looking at Minetest as a source of income 15:07 Calinou it probably won't end well 15:08 Calinou (players being angry, asking for refunds, …) 15:08 APEXiT :) Thanks. yeah. I don't plan to dupe anyone into paying for something. I was looking at starting some minecraft servers with unique mods and directed at a specific type of user. 15:10 * Calinou facepalm 15:10 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9898 15:10 Calinou I need to find a GIF to describe this… 16:47 luizrpgluiz Calinou: some people use youtube as an income source 17:19 xenkey Hi 17:22 marktraceur Whoa, found another nyancat 17:22 marktraceur This nuclear mining stuff is great. 17:23 xenkey What's that script to make the remote media cache files? 17:28 Calinou https://gist.github.com/Calinou/d58bd9c1a2ed26cb0b37 17:28 Calinou it is here 17:29 xenkey Calinou: what about .blend 17:29 Calinou .blend is not sent to players 17:29 xenkey I knew that 17:29 Calinou it's a source format, is not required for the game to function 17:29 xenkey alright, cool 17:30 xenkey Does armor/wieldview have any significant slowdown server-side? 17:31 Calinou wieldview might be slow if your server has more than 20 players 17:31 Calinou else, it'll be fine 17:31 Calinou 3d_armor shouldn't cause slowdown 17:31 xenkey hmm 17:31 xenkey WHy could it be slow 17:31 Calinou wieldview checks for players' wield item every 2 seconds 17:31 Calinou (delay is configurable) 17:32 xenkey so? that's 32 inventory checks per 2 seconds, seems quite trivial to me. Why would that cause lag? 17:35 Calinou because these checks can be expensive, they're not always optimized 17:39 Krock meow 19:48 rubenwardy Verizon D: 20:08 WSDguy2014 Hello guys, i have glitch to crash the game on diging and opening chest wile removed 20:08 WSDguy2014 i got fatal error on debug.txt 20:08 WSDguy2014 >> === FATAL ERROR === >> Access violation (Exception 0xC0000005) at 0x000000013F780490 >> Saved dump to C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12-win64-msvc\minetest-0.4.12\bin\..\minetest.dmp 20:13 hmmmm he left 20:41 jordan4ibanez low carb monster is really helping me learn lol 20:59 Nihao Greetings, keepers of the cubes! 21:00 Nihao I got yet another cause for very regular server crashes on our beloved server. It is related to the hud! Who would have expected that? 21:01 Nihao It seems that some experimental (and dirty) code sneaked its way in :) 21:02 Nihao Is somebody interested in the traces? 21:02 ElectronLibre Nihao, devs are working on it, and some fixes have been applyed without any results. 21:03 Nihao oh 21:03 ElectronLibre s/applyed/applied 21:03 ElectronLibre And since one time by three I got my local server crashing while connecting, I have to use 0.4.12-release. 21:04 Nihao Yes, very sad. 21:04 Nihao Such a great game! But some parts seem a bit strange. 21:04 ElectronLibre While server sends malformed packets, or got frozen. 21:04 Nihao Just in case, here is my trace: http://pastebin.com/XcRReKgq 21:05 ElectronLibre And when miraculously it connects it's like 11FPS where I can have 80 and more using release.. 21:05 Nihao Quite some difference. 21:05 ElectronLibre Oh, 21:05 ElectronLibre You're talking about HUD mod's bug. 21:05 ElectronLibre Ok then update pipeworks and it should be fine. 21:06 Nihao OK, I do that. Coild you please tell me about the relation? 21:06 Trixar_za Mods can crash or slow down the server. That's the relationship 21:06 Trixar_za :P 21:06 ElectronLibre Exhaus have been causing troubles rencently, because pipeworks simulated a player with no name, who was triggerring the hud's function which dicrease exhaus when player dig. 21:07 jordan4ibanez sfan5: o/ 21:08 ElectronLibre So when an old node breaker with no "owner" parameter digs, it starts to get something like hud.hunger[""] that doesn't exit, and do math with it. 21:08 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: o/ 21:08 Nihao Waht is an old nodebreaker 21:08 Nihao ? 21:08 jordan4ibanez wooooo 21:08 Nihao An adult player ? :))))) 21:09 Nihao Is it a machine like Quarry (we removed Quarry)? 21:10 jordan4ibanez The deprecated node breaker 21:11 jordan4ibanez minetest.remove_node(pos) 21:11 Nihao ....has it a name or is that an abstract thing like a mmethod? 21:11 Nihao ok 21:11 Nihao I misunderstood in the beginning. 21:11 Nihao Are there many things remaining using it? 21:12 jordan4ibanez Well understanding is an adventure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsxcHHbdLA4 21:12 jordan4ibanez Lol, let's hope not, that thing is slow as shit compared to voxelapi :P 21:13 jordan4ibanez But, if you don't understand the voxel api, you can use it, it'll just bog down the game if you use it a lot like we used to 21:13 Nihao I am slow, but serious :) Give me the way to deactivate the users of "old node breaker" and we can care about the remaining bugs. 21:14 jordan4ibanez CoughSfan5AndITestingTNTOnMyPcCough 21:14 Trixar_za Does it involve beer? 21:14 Nihao We are more on the builder side. TNT is disabled... 21:14 Trixar_za If it does, I would want to test it too 21:14 jordan4ibanez Nihao: Wait, are you developing a mod? 21:15 Nihao Funny, I do not have that knowledge yet. 21:15 Nihao But patching in some cases could be an option. 21:15 Nihao Like I deactivate the sickle :) 21:15 jordan4ibanez 15:16:53: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/hud/hunger.lua 21:16 jordan4ibanez Can you paste the code of that file? The whole code 21:16 Nihao Sure, searching it. 21:17 jordan4ibanez Wait don't paste it in the irc!! 21:17 jordan4ibanez Go on pastie.org I mean 21:17 Nihao jordan4ibanez: I won't. 21:18 Nihao I am just discovering the server structure aand things :) have to search a bit. 21:20 jordan4ibanez Nihao: All you have to do is go to /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/hud/hunger.lua lol :P 21:20 Nihao yeah, by ssh 21:21 est31 there is either vim or less 21:21 est31 less is more :D 21:21 est31 hi Nihao 21:21 Nihao Actually: This is the code: https://github.com/BlockMen/hud/blob/master/hunger.lua 21:21 Nihao It is copied from there 21:21 Nihao Holà est31 21:22 est31 perhaps line would be good too 21:22 est31 if one is included in that error 21:23 Nihao est31: I have this: http://pastebin.com/XcRReKgq 21:24 est31 the middle error is reported to the authors of the mod 21:24 Nihao Including loads of line numbers :) 21:24 est31 do you have any info on how to reproduce the middle error? 21:25 jordan4ibanez That code assumes that exhaus is always there, there needs to be an if not then create exhaus section 21:25 jordan4ibanez I used to do that a lot, that's not good practice at all lol 21:25 Nihao I did not find out how to reproduce it. 21:26 Nihao Assuming is bad coupling. 21:26 est31 either way, servers like yours show that mmdb is perhaps too early... unfortunately 21:27 Nihao It is not so far away from working. An you saw what we are capable of doing. 21:27 Nihao It is beautiful! 21:28 Nihao And you did not visit Saramin, did you? 21:28 jordan4ibanez I mean you can try adding this in http://paste.ofcode.org/37CyRkvqbFexVm3w4zrxDTZ but I'm not sure that'll change anything since it's already registered at the beggining of that function 21:29 jordan4ibanez I'm rusty as poop with that api 21:29 est31 but I also guess that when server admins start to recombine mods freely, the issues will be resolved faster 21:29 Nihao est31: As we do? 21:30 est31 yes, thanks for helping resolving issues :) 21:30 Nihao Thanks to YOU guys! 21:31 Nihao If you have an indication on how to get better traces, I take it right away! 21:32 Nihao Please do not hesitate to tell me, I might not understand everything but am willing to make this worls a better one, even if it is filled with cubes :) 21:32 Nihao world* 21:33 est31 the traces are quite good 21:33 Nihao I will come back in a minute or two, have to repair my reactor. It seems that something flew into it and the reactor blew up :) 21:34 * est31 hides 21:34 * est31 hides and decontaminates 21:34 est31 man, I should have done this before. 21:34 Nihao So the moderator did worldedit on it and there is only void remaining. The worst thing is that I had all my MK3 inside for recharging :) 21:34 Nihao What? 21:35 est31 decontamination is usually done after a nuclear incident 21:35 Nihao You want a decontamination mod? 21:35 est31 (it was a joke btw.) 21:37 Nihao OK. You can come back even if you blew up the reactor. I know you did not do that intentionally. The Admin is cool and will replace it for sure. 21:37 est31 I'll come the next time you need me :) 21:43 Nihao est31: Actually, I need you to visit "Saramin". It will do you good because you will see what these guys are creating inside the game you are creating. And it is simply amazing, ask deezl. 21:56 err404 https://wiki.minetest.net/ <-- forbiden :( 21:57 alket hi est31 21:57 est31 hey alket :) 21:58 alket how much RAM and GB does our server need ? 22:01 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Mgv6: Use heightmap in placeTreesAndJungleGrass() 1337a6297 http://git.io/hAaC (152015-03-23T21:55:01Z) 22:07 VanessaE alket: 1GB of RAM is more than enough for a single, well-modded server 22:08 VanessaE and perhaps 2-4GB of disk as the map gets big 22:08 alket VanessaE: thanks 22:08 VanessaE a fast CPU is recommended if you have heavy mods - 3-4 GHz at least. 22:08 alket we alrady have a server, but we're thinking about moving, so I was asking how much 22:08 est31 Trepca's disk is at 2.5 G 22:08 alket since i have no idea how to do that xD 22:08 est31 only worldfile 22:08 VanessaE VE-Survival's map is something like 8 GB now 22:10 est31 um no sorry only 1.4 GB 22:10 est31 the other stuff is mods 22:10 est31 and "dunno" 22:10 est31 perhaps rollback 22:10 VanessaE bigger worry is how big your rollback log gets 22:10 est31 yes rollback is 1.1 GB 22:10 VanessaE VE-S got to 55 GB before I deleted it, and that was just a week's worth 22:11 VanessaE BUT that's because of technic machines' actions flooding the log 22:14 est31 much of the RAM is used by the OS as disk cache. minetest requires only a small part... 22:14 VanessaE est31: unless a memory leak kicks in ;) 22:15 est31 yea :/ 22:17 alket is there a bulldozer mod ? 22:17 VanessaE not exactly, but worldedit can achieve the same effect with enough commnads 22:17 VanessaE commands* 22:17 alket well having a bulldozer is actually playing :p 22:18 est31 and worldedit is only for admins... 22:18 VanessaE technic has a mining drill that can be set to cut a wide swath I think.... 22:18 VanessaE so a bulldozer is possible 22:19 est31 yes Ive already used once to level land on VE-S. 22:23 Nihao est31: and moderators and builders... 22:24 alket can you drive bulldozer ? 22:24 alket i mean, can you drive anything 22:24 alket is that supported 22:25 VanessaE well there is a cars mod, UFOs also 22:25 VanessaE and a helicopter 22:25 VanessaE a "fake voxel mesh" mod, and I forget what else 22:26 VanessaE so yeah, you can drive/fly stuff around 22:26 VanessaE it's just a matter of coding the vehicle so that it moves/removes stuff in front of it up to a point 22:28 hmmmm how many people have been noticing lag when crafting as of the current version in git? 22:29 VanessaE not sure 22:30 VanessaE I don't do much crafting except when coding a new recipe so I don't get to see it too often 22:30 VanessaE but for sure, it works fine in 038d3a31 22:30 hmmmm i might have to revert 03e0dd33 if enough people have problems 22:30 est31 gregory's crafting patch *should* only affect crafting guides 22:30 hmmmm this is supposed to be an enhancement 22:30 VanessaE hmmmm: I think you mean to revert 1b2f644, right? 22:31 hmmmm ohhh..... 22:31 hmmmm people were moaning and groaning after I committed the get_all_craft_recepies optimization 22:31 hmmmm so I figured that was the cause 22:32 hmmmm VanessaE: reverting 1b2f644 works for you?? 22:32 hmmmm est31: touche 22:32 VanessaE hmmmm: rolling back to 038d3a31 works. but I don't know what will happen by simply reverting 1b2f644 while leaving everything after it in place. 22:32 VanessaE I did not try that specific action 22:32 hmmmm try it 22:32 VanessaE ok 22:33 VanessaE can't revert it. 22:33 hmmmm of course 22:33 hmmmm everything nerzhul commits has had problems so far 22:33 hmmmm pfth 22:34 hmmmm oooof course 22:34 hmmmm VanessaE: I'll code up a commit that has the effect of reverting, except applies cleanly in my branch 22:34 VanessaE ok. 22:35 VanessaE did you notice nrz responded to those two issues? 22:35 hmmmm no i didn't 22:35 hmmmm paste me the link?? 22:35 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2544 22:36 hmmmm wat 22:36 VanessaE though PilzAdam says it's unrelated. also, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2524#issuecomment-85223468 22:36 hmmmm I am wrong for jumping to conclusions 22:36 hmmmm just lemme code that up, you try it, and tell me if it was indeed 1b2f644 22:36 VanessaE sure. 22:42 hmmmm christ this is tough 22:42 hmmmm i think i messed something 22:43 hmmmm this isn't gonna work 22:45 hmmmm sorry VanessaE, I can't revert it 22:46 VanessaE shit 23:35 bleak_fire_ hi 23:35 bleak_fire_ i was thinking of setting up a server, right now i'm just experimenting with connecting to a virtualbox 23:36 bleak_fire_ was wondering, what's the variable in minetest.conf to add mods (e.g. travelnet)? 23:42 everamzah bleak_fire_: it's in world.mt 23:43 bleak_fire_ ok 23:44 everamzah or you can put the mod itself in the worldname/worldmods directory 23:45 bleak_fire_ and it's automatic? 23:45 bleak_fire_ if i did that 23:45 everamzah https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L76 -- yes, automatic