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03:09 Tablet_One Hello Zeno` :)
03:09 Zeno` Greetings :)
03:43 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix minetest.get_craft_recipe function 5b5c498 http://git.io/h72X (2015-03-23T13:40:20+10:00)
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09:34 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Near Miss Day! :-D
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10:10 est31 finally, minetest is also available in the f-droid app store! https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdf​ilter=mine&fdid=net.minetest.minetest
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10:22 Calinou https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdf​ilter=mine&fdid=net.minetest.minetest
10:22 Calinou yay
10:24 est31 this url is better Calinou: https://f-droid.org/repository/br​owse/?fdid=net.minetest.minetest
10:24 est31 realized it right now
10:24 Calinou added F-Droid link in topic
10:25 est31 great
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10:33 est31 and it seems freeminer isnt far away either : https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fd​roiddata/merge_requests/647
10:36 est31 btw Calinou could you make more distinct ore images for tin and silver? I always mix them up
10:36 est31 at mining, and at crafting
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10:53 DosAmp How can you create a user on the minetest wikis (either wiki or dev)? It says "To help protect against automated account creation, please select just the cat photos in the box below", but there's no CAPTCHA loading
10:53 DosAmp if I look into the browser console, it says that the host "challenge.asirra.com" cannot be found
10:53 est31 DosAmp, ask an admin, those captcha plugins are broken
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10:54 DosAmp that's why I'm here
10:54 est31 so best is you just wait :)
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11:11 farfadet46 hi
11:12 est31 hi :)
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11:13 est31 Zeno`, are you an admin for the wikis?
11:13 est31 one of them at least? read log 4 this channel
11:13 Zeno` admin no
11:13 Zeno` I can edit them
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11:13 Zeno` est31, Calinou ^^ is the one you need to speak to :D
11:13 Zeno` perfect timing heh
11:14 est31 DosAmp wants, rather.
11:14 Calinou so, I read the IRC log
11:14 Calinou I see that DosAmp wants a wiki account
11:15 Calinou DosAmp, PM me your e-mail address (/msg Calinou <email here>)
11:15 Calinou I'll create you an account for both wiki and dev
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14:16 APEXiT Does anyone make money with minetest servers?
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14:47 luizrpgluiz hi
14:48 APEXiT hi
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15:00 Calinou APEXiT, I doubt anyone makes a profit of it (although that's perfectly legal)
15:00 Calinou you are allowed to sell items and such for real money
15:01 APEXiT Calinou. OK. Thanks. I was just looking at the userbase for Minecraft. 18 million premium users... Thinking about ways to monitize, but I really like the open source nature of minetest
15:03 Calinou money isn't the thing that matters here
15:05 APEXiT yeah. I agree. I am building community in my local neighborhood and am not a lover of money, but money is required for survival in the culture I live in. If people are willing to pay for something, that might provide income for my family.
15:07 Calinou I suggest not looking at Minetest as a source of income
15:07 Calinou it probably won't end well
15:08 Calinou (players being angry, asking for refunds, …)
15:08 APEXiT :) Thanks. yeah. I don't plan to dupe anyone into paying for something. I was looking at starting some minecraft servers with unique mods and directed at a specific type of user.
15:10 * Calinou facepalm
15:10 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=17&amp;t=9898
15:10 Calinou I need to find a GIF to describe this…
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16:47 luizrpgluiz Calinou: some people use youtube as an income source
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17:19 xenkey Hi
17:22 marktraceur Whoa, found another nyancat
17:22 marktraceur This nuclear mining stuff is great.
17:23 xenkey What's that script to make the remote media cache files?
17:28 Calinou https://gist.github.com/Ca​linou/d58bd9c1a2ed26cb0b37
17:28 Calinou it is here
17:29 xenkey Calinou: what about .blend
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17:29 Calinou .blend is not sent to players
17:29 xenkey I knew that
17:29 Calinou it's a source format, is not required for the game to function
17:29 xenkey alright, cool
17:30 xenkey Does armor/wieldview have any significant slowdown server-side?
17:31 Calinou wieldview might be slow if your server has more than 20 players
17:31 Calinou else, it'll be fine
17:31 Calinou 3d_armor shouldn't cause slowdown
17:31 xenkey hmm
17:31 xenkey WHy could it be slow
17:31 Calinou wieldview checks for players' wield item every 2 seconds
17:31 Calinou (delay is configurable)
17:32 xenkey so? that's 32 inventory checks per 2 seconds, seems quite trivial to me. Why would that cause lag?
17:35 Calinou because these checks can be expensive, they're not always optimized
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20:08 WSDguy2014 Hello guys, i have glitch to crash the game on diging and opening chest wile removed
20:08 WSDguy2014 i got fatal error on debug.txt
20:08 WSDguy2014 >> === FATAL ERROR ===  >> Access violation (Exception 0xC0000005) at 0x000000013F780490  >> Saved dump to C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12-win64-msvc\​minetest-0.4.12\bin\..\minetest.dmp
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20:41 jordan4ibanez low carb monster is really helping me learn lol
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20:59 Nihao Greetings, keepers of the cubes!
21:00 Nihao I got yet another cause for very regular server crashes on our beloved server. It is related to the hud! Who would have expected that?
21:01 Nihao It seems that some experimental (and dirty) code sneaked its way in :)
21:02 Nihao Is somebody interested in the traces?
21:02 ElectronLibre Nihao, devs are working on it, and some fixes have been applyed without any results.
21:03 Nihao oh
21:03 ElectronLibre s/applyed/applied
21:03 ElectronLibre And since one time by three I got my local server crashing while connecting, I have to use 0.4.12-release.
21:04 Nihao Yes, very sad.
21:04 Nihao Such a great game! But some parts seem a bit strange.
21:04 ElectronLibre While server sends malformed packets, or got frozen.
21:04 Nihao Just in case, here is my trace:   http://pastebin.com/XcRReKgq
21:05 ElectronLibre And when miraculously it connects it's like 11FPS where I can have 80 and more using release..
21:05 Nihao Quite some difference.
21:05 ElectronLibre Oh,
21:05 ElectronLibre You're talking about HUD mod's bug.
21:05 ElectronLibre Ok then update pipeworks and it should be fine.
21:06 Nihao OK, I do that. Coild you please tell me about the relation?
21:06 Trixar_za Mods can crash or slow down the server. That's the relationship
21:06 Trixar_za :P
21:06 ElectronLibre Exhaus have been causing troubles rencently, because pipeworks simulated a player with no name, who was triggerring the hud's function which dicrease exhaus when player dig.
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21:07 jordan4ibanez sfan5: o/
21:08 ElectronLibre So when an old node breaker with no "owner" parameter digs, it starts to get something like hud.hunger[""] that doesn't exit, and do math with it.
21:08 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: o/
21:08 Nihao Waht is an old nodebreaker
21:08 Nihao ?
21:08 jordan4ibanez wooooo
21:08 Nihao An adult player ?   :)))))
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21:09 Nihao Is it a machine like Quarry (we removed Quarry)?
21:10 jordan4ibanez The deprecated node breaker
21:11 jordan4ibanez minetest.remove_node(pos)
21:11 Nihao ....has it a name or is that an abstract thing like a mmethod?
21:11 Nihao ok
21:11 Nihao I misunderstood in the beginning.
21:11 Nihao Are there many things remaining using it?
21:12 jordan4ibanez Well understanding is an adventure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsxcHHbdLA4
21:12 jordan4ibanez Lol, let's hope not, that thing is slow as shit compared to voxelapi :P
21:13 jordan4ibanez But, if you don't understand the voxel api, you can use it, it'll just bog down the game if you use it a lot like we used to
21:13 Nihao I am slow, but serious :)  Give me the way to deactivate the users of "old node breaker" and we can care about the remaining bugs.
21:14 jordan4ibanez CoughSfan5AndITestingTNTOnMyPcCough
21:14 Trixar_za Does it involve beer?
21:14 Nihao We are more on the builder side. TNT is disabled...
21:14 Trixar_za If it does, I would want to test it too
21:14 jordan4ibanez Nihao: Wait, are you developing a mod?
21:15 Nihao Funny, I do not have that knowledge yet.
21:15 Nihao But patching in some cases could be an option.
21:15 Nihao Like I deactivate the sickle :)
21:15 jordan4ibanez 15:16:53: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/hud/hunger.lua
21:16 jordan4ibanez Can you paste the code of that file? The whole code
21:16 Nihao Sure, searching it.
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21:17 jordan4ibanez Wait don't paste it in the irc!!
21:17 jordan4ibanez Go on pastie.org I mean
21:17 Nihao jordan4ibanez: I won't.
21:18 Nihao I am just discovering the server structure aand things :) have to search a bit.
21:20 jordan4ibanez Nihao: All you have to do is go to /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/hud/hunger.lua lol :P
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21:20 Nihao yeah, by ssh
21:21 est31 there is either vim or less
21:21 est31 less is more :D
21:21 est31 hi Nihao
21:21 Nihao Actually: This is the code: https://github.com/BlockMen​/hud/blob/master/hunger.lua
21:21 Nihao It is copied from there
21:21 Nihao Holà est31
21:22 est31 perhaps line would be good too
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21:22 est31 if one is included in that error
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21:23 Nihao est31: I have this: http://pastebin.com/XcRReKgq
21:24 est31 the middle error is reported to the authors of the mod
21:24 Nihao Including loads of line numbers :)
21:24 est31 do you have any info on how to reproduce the middle error?
21:25 jordan4ibanez That code assumes that exhaus is always there, there needs to be an if not then create exhaus section
21:25 jordan4ibanez I used to do that a lot, that's not good practice at all lol
21:25 Nihao I did not find out how to reproduce it.
21:26 Nihao Assuming is bad coupling.
21:26 est31 either way, servers like yours show that mmdb is perhaps too early... unfortunately
21:27 Nihao It is not so far away from working. An you saw what we are capable of doing.
21:27 Nihao It is beautiful!
21:28 Nihao And you did not visit Saramin, did you?
21:28 jordan4ibanez I mean you can try adding this in http://paste.ofcode.org/37CyRkvqbFexVm3w4zrxDTZ but I'm not sure that'll change anything since it's already registered at the beggining of that function
21:29 jordan4ibanez I'm rusty as poop with that api
21:29 est31 but I also guess that when server admins start to recombine mods freely, the issues will be resolved faster
21:29 Nihao est31: As we do?
21:30 est31 yes, thanks for helping resolving issues :)
21:30 Nihao Thanks to YOU guys!
21:31 Nihao If you have an indication on how to get better traces, I take it right away!
21:32 Nihao Please do not hesitate to tell me, I might not understand everything but am willing to make this worls a better one, even if it is filled with cubes :)
21:32 Nihao world*
21:33 est31 the traces are quite good
21:33 Nihao I will come back in a minute or two, have to repair my reactor. It seems that something flew into it and the reactor blew up :)
21:34 * est31 hides
21:34 * est31 hides and decontaminates
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21:34 est31 man, I should have done this before.
21:34 Nihao So the moderator did worldedit on it and there is only void remaining. The worst thing is that I had all my MK3 inside for recharging :)
21:34 Nihao What?
21:35 est31 decontamination is usually done after a nuclear incident
21:35 Nihao You want a decontamination mod?
21:35 est31 (it was a joke btw.)
21:37 Nihao OK. You can come back even if you blew up the reactor. I know you did not do that intentionally. The Admin is cool and will replace it for sure.
21:37 est31 I'll come the next time you need me :)
21:43 Nihao est31: Actually, I need you to visit "Saramin". It will do you good because you will see what these guys are creating inside the game you are creating. And it is simply amazing, ask deezl.
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21:56 err404 https://wiki.minetest.net/ <-- forbiden :(
21:57 alket hi est31
21:57 est31 hey alket :)
21:58 alket how much RAM and GB does our server need ?
22:01 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgv6: Use heightmap in placeTreesAndJungleGrass() 37a6297 http://git.io/hAaC (2015-03-23T21:55:01Z)
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22:07 VanessaE alket: 1GB of RAM is more than enough for a single, well-modded server
22:08 VanessaE and perhaps 2-4GB of disk as the map gets big
22:08 alket VanessaE: thanks
22:08 VanessaE a fast CPU is recommended if you have heavy mods - 3-4 GHz at least.
22:08 alket we alrady have a server, but we're thinking about moving, so I was asking how much
22:08 est31 Trepca's disk is at 2.5 G
22:08 alket since i have no idea how to do that xD
22:08 est31 only worldfile
22:08 VanessaE VE-Survival's map is something like 8 GB now
22:10 est31 um no sorry only 1.4 GB
22:10 est31 the other stuff is mods
22:10 est31 and "dunno"
22:10 est31 perhaps rollback
22:10 VanessaE bigger worry is how big your rollback log gets
22:10 est31 yes rollback is 1.1 GB
22:10 VanessaE VE-S got to 55 GB before I deleted it, and that was just a week's worth
22:11 VanessaE BUT that's because of technic machines' actions flooding the log
22:14 est31 much of the RAM is used by the OS as disk cache. minetest requires only a small part...
22:14 VanessaE est31: unless a memory leak kicks in ;)
22:15 est31 yea :/
22:17 alket is there a bulldozer mod ?
22:17 VanessaE not exactly, but worldedit can achieve the same effect with enough commnads
22:17 VanessaE commands*
22:17 alket well having a bulldozer is actually playing :p
22:18 est31 and worldedit is only for admins...
22:18 VanessaE technic has a mining drill that can be set to cut a wide swath I think....
22:18 VanessaE so a bulldozer is possible
22:19 est31 yes Ive already used once to level land on VE-S.
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22:23 Nihao est31: and moderators and builders...
22:24 alket can you drive bulldozer ?
22:24 alket i mean, can you drive anything
22:24 alket is that supported
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22:25 VanessaE well there is a cars mod, UFOs also
22:25 VanessaE and a helicopter
22:25 VanessaE a "fake voxel mesh" mod, and I forget what else
22:26 VanessaE so yeah, you can drive/fly stuff around
22:26 VanessaE it's just a matter of coding the vehicle so that it moves/removes stuff in front of it up to a point
22:28 hmmmm how many people have been noticing lag when crafting as of the current version in git?
22:29 VanessaE not sure
22:30 VanessaE I don't do much crafting except when coding a new recipe so I don't get to see it too often
22:30 VanessaE but for sure, it works fine in 038d3a31
22:30 hmmmm i might have to revert 03e0dd33 if enough people have problems
22:30 est31 gregory's crafting patch *should* only affect crafting guides
22:30 hmmmm this is supposed to be an enhancement
22:30 VanessaE hmmmm: I think you mean to revert 1b2f644, right?
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22:31 hmmmm ohhh.....
22:31 hmmmm people were moaning and groaning after I committed the get_all_craft_recepies optimization
22:31 hmmmm so I figured that was the cause
22:32 hmmmm VanessaE:  reverting 1b2f644 works for you??
22:32 hmmmm est31:  touche
22:32 VanessaE hmmmm: rolling back to 038d3a31 works.  but I don't know what will happen by simply reverting 1b2f644 while leaving everything after it in place.
22:32 VanessaE I did not try that specific action
22:32 hmmmm try it
22:32 VanessaE ok
22:33 VanessaE can't revert it.
22:33 hmmmm of course
22:33 hmmmm everything nerzhul commits has had problems so far
22:33 hmmmm pfth
22:34 hmmmm oooof course
22:34 hmmmm VanessaE:  I'll code up a commit that has the effect of reverting, except applies cleanly in my branch
22:34 VanessaE ok.
22:35 VanessaE did you notice nrz responded to those two issues?
22:35 hmmmm no i didn't
22:35 hmmmm paste me the link??
22:35 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2544
22:36 hmmmm wat
22:36 VanessaE though PilzAdam says it's unrelated.  also, https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues/2524#issuecomment-85223468
22:36 hmmmm I am wrong for jumping to conclusions
22:36 hmmmm just lemme code that up, you try it, and tell me if it was indeed 1b2f644
22:36 VanessaE sure.
22:42 hmmmm christ this is tough
22:42 hmmmm i think i messed something
22:43 hmmmm this isn't gonna work
22:45 hmmmm sorry VanessaE, I can't revert it
22:46 VanessaE shit
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23:35 bleak_fire_ hi
23:35 bleak_fire_ i was thinking of setting up a server, right now i'm just experimenting with connecting to a virtualbox
23:36 bleak_fire_ was wondering, what's the variable in minetest.conf to add mods (e.g. travelnet)?
23:42 everamzah bleak_fire_: it's in world.mt
23:43 bleak_fire_ ok
23:44 everamzah or you can put the mod itself in the worldname/worldmods directory
23:45 bleak_fire_ and it's automatic?
23:45 bleak_fire_ if i did that
23:45 everamzah https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L76 -- yes, automatic

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