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exio4 |
Warr1024: (moving because going offtopic) I guess you know what generics are, right? |
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Warr1024 |
yeah. I like 'em in C#, dunno much about how they might differ on in the C++ world, though. |
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exio4 |
well, generics are also polymorphism |
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exio4 |
"parametric polymorphism" is the 'right term' |
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Warr1024 |
ah, I never really thought of them that way. |
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exio4 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametric_polymorphism |
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Warr1024 |
generics were always just generics to me :-) |
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exio4 |
I don't really like to deal with subtyping that much |
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* exio4 |
thinks its typing rules are too complex |
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exio4 |
then you have covariant arrays in C#/Java (and C++?) that lead to runtime errors |
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exio4 |
co(ntra)variance is hard to deal with |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Warr1024 -> minetest/minetest: Configurable automatic texture scaling and filtering at load time. 1e4fb80 http://git.io/higs (2015-03-20T20:21:42-04:00) |
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DI3HARD139 |
Hi Enke |
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hmmmm |
hey modders, I was wondering what kind of interface you'd like an improved PseudoRandom to have |
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hmmmm |
my current ideas include adding a "type" option to the PseudoRandom constructor, or making an entirely new object |
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hmmmm |
what would you want to see? |
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hmmmm |
and what should it be called? |
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YvesLevier |
Trying to join a pacific public room to show minetest to a friend |
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YvesLevier |
Any suggestion? |
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YvesLevier |
VanessaE: ^ |
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MinetestBot |
[git] gregorycu -> minetest/minetest: Optimize minetest.get_(all)_craft_recipe(s) 03e0dd3 http://git.io/hiME (2015-03-20T21:41:18-04:00) |
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paxcoder_ |
bb est31 |
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Warr1024 |
is there a good source for windows nightly builds? |
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YvesLevier |
Warr1024: You mean microsoft? |
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YvesLevier |
gtg sleep - gnite all :) |
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est31 |
nite |
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WarrTab |
Yeah, the microsoft kind of windows |
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WarrTab |
I got friends on that platform who might like more recent builds... |
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WarrTab |
Whoops, I'm hopping clients randomly |
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Warr1024 |
I guess that's the problem with having another irc open in an ssh session... |
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Krock |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4401 isn't outdated anymore |
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TenPlus1 |
Hi folks... can anyone tell me how to merge groups or add to a group once it has been defined... ??? |
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TenPlus1 |
I am trying to change 1 value inside of the group for multiple objects without having to rewrite it out each time |
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Krock |
\o/ GitHub unicorn! |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi |
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MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Connect rails with connect_to_raillike and shorten the codes 709f4a5 http://git.io/hXrq (2015-03-21T22:59:27+10:00) |
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Zeno` |
The plural of code (in the context of a programming language) is... code |
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Zeno` |
I trust you won't write "codes" again, Krock |
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Zeno` |
lol |
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Krock |
I'll stop writing codes, yes. |
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Zeno` |
phew |
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* Zeno` |
can sleep soundly now |
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Krock |
amazing. since when is the grafiting grid counting down every single craft-step when I middle-click? :D |
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VanessaE |
Krock: since forever :-/ |
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Krock |
no, in 0.4.11, it was just jumping from nothing to 10 in one step |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Warr1024 -> minetest/minetest: Fix composite textures with texture_min_size. Moved upscaling of textures to later in the process, when images are converted to textures, instead of right after image load, so the original image is unmodified for generateImagePart. 837a2e1 http://git.io/h14c (2015-03-22T01:31:01+10:00) |
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justas2 |
hi |
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Krock |
Jordach, the footer font is too big on your site IMO |
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xenkey |
What site? |
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Krock |
his site |
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Krock |
a site in the web, a website |
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xenkey |
What's an internet? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] jp localhost.localdomain -> minetest/minetest_game: Optimize boat model 9eb9502 http://git.io/h1P6 (2015-03-21T17:28:36+01:00) |
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xenkey |
uh what |
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xenkey |
Can i set the motd? |
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sfan5 |
xenkey: yes, motd setting in minetest.conf |
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xenkey |
Can I set it on the fly? |
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Krock |
xenkey, yes, temporary by using the command /set motd <text> |
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xenkey |
is there a save config command? |
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Krock |
maybe with the mod luacmd |
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xenkey |
I need some general server management mods |
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YvesLevier |
Hey :) |
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YvesLevier |
is there a way i can log off myself without shoutup my server? |
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est31 |
YvesLevier, use a headless server |
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est31 |
YvesLevier, do you know command line? |
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YvesLevier |
i dont |
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YvesLevier |
i know terminal modee |
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est31 |
which OS are you? |
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est31 |
windows? |
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YvesLevier |
Linux |
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est31 |
ah thats good |
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YvesLevier |
of course |
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fireglow |
!seen davedevils |
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MinetestBot |
fireglow: davedevils was last seen at 2014-11-04 17:13:28 UTC on #minetest-de |
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fireglow |
humm |
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est31 |
yes really good |
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YvesLevier |
near than 20 years i cant smell Winchos |
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fireglow |
his mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10456&p=159758 is a bit broken |
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est31 |
so YvesLevier can you start terminal? |
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YvesLevier |
done |
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est31 |
ok now type minetest --version |
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est31 |
what does it say? |
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YvesLevier |
0 4 9 |
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est31 |
YvesLevier, which linux distro are you? |
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YvesLevier |
14.04 of course |
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est31 |
so ubuntu? |
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YvesLevier |
sure |
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YvesLevier |
im interested in Arch but dont have time |
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est31 |
ok, this isnt related to start server headless, but still good to have, as most recent version is best |
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YvesLevier |
Welcome Jacques |
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YvesLevier |
can reformulate plz? |
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Jcq |
Hello |
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est31 |
YvesLevier, do "sudo apt-add ppa ppa:minetestdevs/stable" |
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est31 |
then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
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est31 |
then do minetest --version again |
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YvesLevier |
apt-add not found |
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YvesLevier |
min |
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est31 |
ah sorry do "sudo add-apt-repository" instead |
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est31 |
so "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable" |
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xenkey |
Could somebody suggest a 3d torches mod and a general mod for server administration? I'm using redsand but that actually supplies very little in terms of management. |
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YvesLevier |
im sudo su |
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Calinou |
carbone_torches, xenkey |
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Calinou |
https://notabug.org/calinou/carbone_torches |
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Calinou |
just download .zip, install mod and enable |
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Calinou |
it replaces already placed torches |
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est31 |
YvesLevier, then you can still do the sudo |
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Calinou |
https://notabug.org/Calinou/carbone_torches/archive/master.zip |
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YvesLevier |
didnt know |
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xenkey |
Calinou: Alright, I'll trust you and blindly add it |
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xenkey |
What about server administration? |
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YvesLevier |
est31: i think i got it |
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Calinou |
you don't need to do anything to use it |
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YvesLevier |
est31: Then : apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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est31 |
yes |
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Calinou |
sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade |
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Calinou |
this is shorter, has colours |
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Calinou |
works in 14.04 and newer |
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YvesLevier |
looks working. but not ended yet |
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YvesLevier |
thx Calinou |
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YvesLevier |
(marci) |
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YvesLevier |
shall i close Minetest? |
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YvesLevier |
est31: ended - 1 sec |
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Calinou |
yes |
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YvesLevier |
est31: 0 4 12 |
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est31 |
YvesLevier, great :) |
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est31 |
now to your original question |
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YvesLevier |
listening |
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est31 |
type "minetest --world list" |
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est31 |
now you get on the left a list of names |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
it is minetest --worldlist |
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Calinou |
I think |
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Calinou |
nvm |
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Calinou |
you are right, est31 |
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Calinou |
so you can't call a world list? |
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YvesLevier |
sry telphon |
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est31 |
Calinou I admit it would be cleaner that way |
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est31 |
perhaps world-list |
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YvesLevier |
Hes a minetest friend so he can hold |
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est31 |
chose the name your server is and do "minetest --server --worldname NAME" |
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est31 |
then connect and enjoy :) |
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YvesLevier |
then "minetest --worldlist" |
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est31 |
no |
| 18:07 |
est31 |
first minetest --world list |
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est31 |
then select name |
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est31 |
then "minetest --server --worldname NAME" |
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est31 |
actually you only need the last command if you know the name |
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YvesLevier |
to minetest --world list |
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YvesLevier |
i see no world |
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YvesLevier |
i continue? |
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YvesLevier |
Its listening - then i log as client |
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YvesLevier |
Right? |
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YvesLevier |
est31: ^ |
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est31 |
YvesLevier, when you see no world, your configuration is weird |
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est31 |
YvesLevier, how do you usually start minetest? |
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Krock |
I wish it was possible to instant-join a world/server with the GUI, using console commands |
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YvesLevier |
est31: ./Minetest/bin/minetest |
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est31 |
aww |
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Baraa |
hi all |
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est31 |
then replace minetest with ./Minetest/bin/minetest . |
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est31 |
Baraa, good to see you connected here! |
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Baraa |
est31 now i am here |
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Baraa |
thak |
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Krock |
\o/ it's possible! --go --worldname <myworld> :D |
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est31 |
Baraa, perhaps ask your question. |
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Baraa |
thanks** |
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Baraa |
how can i do server |
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est31 |
Krock, the issue was that YvesLevier started minetest for the server in another way than usual, and one way was an in-place build, and the other was a system wide build |
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Krock |
okay, I've just had a self-talk |
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YvesLevier |
est31: i get to a new world |
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Baraa |
est |
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YvesLevier |
but it works |
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est31 |
YvesLevier have you done it with ./Minetest/bin/minetest ? |
| 18:17 |
est31 |
(e.g. "./Minetest/bin/minetest --server --worldname NAME" |
| 18:17 |
est31 |
) |
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YvesLevier |
est31: ./Minetest/bin/minetest |
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YvesLevier |
My client also fall in same game |
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YvesLevier |
not our game |
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Baraa |
est31 how can i do server |
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est31 |
I gtg now, bye! |
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est31 |
Baraa, I'm sure someone else will help you |
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Baraa |
est read my question |
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Baraa |
guys who has an idea about doing a server |
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fireglow |
Baraa: have you read this? http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server |
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Baraa |
no |
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fireglow |
mmm, maybe you'll find your answers there |
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person |
Minetest is fun! |
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Calinou |
https://cloud.openmailbox.org/public.php?service=files&t=3ab9da3d4394a83a9b8c445f665b682a |
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Calinou |
lol |
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VanessaE |
holy |
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VanessaE |
I'd say that's a small problem.... |
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fireglow |
lol |
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Johnsen2 |
PEOPLE HELP ME |
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Johnsen2 |
irc.inchra.net is getting outa control!!! admins taking over IRC!!! |
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Johnsen2 |
Another brick! help me |
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Sokomine |
what's up? |
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Sokomine |
well, admins are supposed to have control over their servers. that's why they are admins. and this is freenode? what's up with the inchra-net? server change or whatever? |
| 21:50 |
fireglow |
Sokomine: thoughts? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=173580#p173580 |
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Johnsen2 |
BUT STEPHY IS TAKING OVER ME... :( and telling me bad things :( |
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ElectronLibre |
Johnsen2, check their masks (name!useradress). Do you recognize it? |
| 21:52 |
VanessaE |
Johnsen2: the IRC channel was originally supposed to be primarily for admins'/moderators' use anyway |
| 21:53 |
Sokomine |
fireglow: hmm. that request does not really make sense to me. there *may* be situations where another player is just standing in the way, thus making building more troublesome, or even attacking the player. if it's more than a young child becoming overenthusiastic, it's a job for the admin/moderator of the server anyway... |
| 21:53 |
fireglow |
well, we have that sort of intruder all the time |
| 21:53 |
fireglow |
idk why they all come to our server |
| 21:54 |
ElectronLibre |
I might know who it is... |
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Sokomine |
my houses are there so that people can look at them and enjoy them. locked doors...may sometimes *look* better on cellars. if there's no protection for items in furnaces, some manufacturing areas may have to be closed to the public, but that can be done with other blocks as well... |
| 21:54 |
ElectronLibre |
Johnsen2, could you copy their mask and send it to me by msg please? |
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Sokomine |
hm. normal furnaces are protected now anyway afaik. that ought to be safe enough then? |
| 21:55 |
Sokomine |
they come to all servers, fireglow |
| 21:55 |
fireglow |
they are? |
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ElectronLibre |
I had troubles with someone a few weeks ago. I just want to check if it could be them. |
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Johnsen2 |
VanessaE, stephy kepts kicking me and she kicked me on mtz and said for me to stfu |
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Johnsen2 |
Electron, how do i do that? |
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ElectronLibre |
Type /whois <nickname> and find the mask (useradress). Just send it to me by msg and I will know if it's who it could be. |
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VanessaE |
Johnsen2: actually, deezl was the last one to kick you from IRC, not stephy. |
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AntTerminator |
ok |
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AntTerminator |
let me mutate you into a ant! |
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Johnsen2 |
VanessaE, ok |
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ElectronLibre |
(Maybe you're just being annoying to them, we don't know.) |
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hmmmm |
VanessaE: what format in Lua would you find most useful for a string of bytes |
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hmmmm |
a string type? a table-array of integers? |
| 22:15 |
VanessaE |
what is the meaning of the bytes? |
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hmmmm |
oh wait, nevermind, dumb question, I'll just follow the example of the sha1 password api |
| 22:16 |
hmmmm |
vanessae, randomness |
| 22:16 |
VanessaE |
well in that case I'd have suggested either a table of integers, or a read-stream function with a seek option. |
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jin_xi |
roadmaps and lots of planning... idk it often comes out different. |
| 22:17 |
hmmmm |
erm, wait a minuet |
| 22:17 |
jin_xi |
why not try another mechanism? i think mt should try organizing a game jam for games based on mt engine |
| 22:17 |
hmmmm |
translatePassword spits out a base64 string? |
| 22:17 |
jin_xi |
see the issues coming up with people trying different stuff |
| 22:18 |
hmmmm |
this is what's transferred over the wire? |
| 22:19 |
hmmmm |
am I the only one who finds it a little weird to not have an established mechanism for transfering raw bytes to Lua? |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: that's why I suggested the read-and-seek idea. like file I/O? |
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hmmmm |
eewwww |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
it wouldn't work so well over in realtime the 'net though |
| 22:26 |
hmmmm |
yeah this is gonna be a bit of a problem |
| 22:27 |
hmmmm |
oh i know, sapier added that lua serialization thing |
| 22:27 |
hmmmm |
I think we need to figure out a consistent, solid format to representing a string of bytes that can be arbitrary data in Lua |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
careful with lua serialization |
| 22:28 |
hmmmm |
it's going to be used a lot in the client-server script RPC mechanism |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
luajit can't serailize blocks of data > 64k |
| 22:28 |
hmmmm |
that should be okay |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
oh ok, so that shouldn't be an issue then |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
a table is the easiest Lua construct as far as reading/writing arbitrary raw data |
| 22:29 |
hmmmm |
easiest for you, but one of the least efficient |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
right |
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hmmmm |
a table is a hashtable don't forget |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
yeah I know |
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hmmmm |
I think we could possibly go with making it work like file I/O |
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hmmmm |
hrmm |
| 22:30 |
hmmmm |
nah |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
remember in the old BASIC days, how you'd DIM foo(bar) ? |
| 22:30 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 22:31 |
VanessaE |
what if you had a function like that in lua? rawblock foo(bar) (named foo, made to be bar bytes long) |
| 22:31 |
hmmmm |
the problem with making it work like a file is that every time you'd want to read a byte, that would force a lua -> C -> lua transition |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
well rawblock(foo, bar) rather |
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hmmmm |
we couldn't have picked a worse language |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
and then readblock(foo, n) or writeblock(foo, n) where n, if supplied, is the index to read/write at? |
| 22:32 |
hmmmm |
that troll guy who always keeps saying "should've used javascript" is annoying but completely correct |
| 22:33 |
VanessaE |
you mean lamef---- I can't say it :) |
| 22:33 |
hmmmm |
yeah. |
| 22:33 |
hmmmm |
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3815213/how-to-store-binary-data-in-a-lua-string |
| 22:34 |
VanessaE |
in the C64 days, we had stash and fetch commands for the expansion memory - you'd copy ("fetch") a block from expansion to the local RAM, read or write it as you see fit, and then if needed copy ("stash") it back to the expansion |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
normal local LDA/STA/etc operations were used to manipulate the block once it was copied to local RAM |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
maybe something similar would be useful for Lua |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
scratching my head right now |
| 22:36 |
hmmmm |
maybe I misunderstand base64 encoding, but that's 64 to represent 256, so base64 encoded data should be 4 times larger if I'm not mistaken |
| 22:37 |
hmmmm |
ah no okay |
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VanessaE |
oh fuck no |
| 22:37 |
hmmmm |
it packs the bits |
| 22:37 |
hmmmm |
so there a few possibilites |
| 22:38 |
hmmmm |
store binary data in a lua userbuffer and make a small set of APIs to 'grab' a block from it |
| 22:38 |
hmmmm |
and then it's transparently treated like a file or something from the end user's perspective |
| 22:38 |
hmmmm |
like you were saying |
| 22:38 |
hmmmm |
or.... base64 encode the shit out of all the data |
| 22:39 |
hmmmm |
or, make escapes for all the problematic string sequences in lua |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
ehhh.......... |
| 22:40 |
hmmmm |
either way it's going to end up in a table |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
why not keep it in a raw data block? |
| 22:41 |
hmmmm |
? |
| 22:41 |
hmmmm |
I think I have to redesign my RPC mechanism, frankly |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
well, if you fetch a block of data from...whatever... and pass it to lua, why not leave it as a block of raw data that the modder could then translate to a table only if they need to? |
| 22:41 |
hmmmm |
this isn't working out if lua has to touch raw data |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
(otherwise the modder could directly process the data if they want) |
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hmmmm |
yeah |
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hmmmm |
I don't think the user should ever need to process this raw data technically |
| 22:43 |
VanessaE |
(or provide two calls, one for raw, one for cooked-into-a-table) |
| 22:44 |
hmmmm |
you're right though, this isn't necessary at all |
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hmmmm |
it's just my desire to make the interface complete and orthogonal |
| 22:45 |
est31 |
btw what do you mean with RPC? |
| 22:45 |
hmmmm |
Remote Procedure Call |
| 22:45 |
hmmmm |
okay, I dub thee, MTRPC |
| 22:45 |
est31 |
yes it can mean alot |
| 22:46 |
hmmmm |
server script performs an RPC because it wanted to do a formspec thing |
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hmmmm |
and get a result of what the user pressed |
| 22:46 |
est31 |
so you want to send arbitrary bytecode from server to client?? |
| 22:46 |
hmmmm |
so the server does something like... player.DoRPC("OpenTheGoddamnFormspec", <info here>); |
| 22:47 |
hmmmm |
and that client gets his function OpenTheGoddamnFormspec(data) called |
| 22:47 |
hmmmm |
and then returns some result |
| 22:47 |
hmmmm |
est31: yes, that's the plan. |
| 22:48 |
est31 |
but not executable bytecode? and why bytecode at all? (for the lua side) |
| 22:48 |
est31 |
I mean bytecode isnt good, if its executable or so |
| 22:48 |
hmmmm |
well it doesn't NEED to be bytecode |
| 22:48 |
hmmmm |
it's just going to transfer over some filez |
| 22:48 |
hmmmm |
on server connect |
| 22:48 |
hmmmm |
it'll be like part of the media |
| 22:49 |
est31 |
you want client side scripting? |
| 22:49 |
hmmmm |
if the client has allow_server_scripts = true, then it'll download them from the server and then execute them |
| 22:49 |
hmmmm |
of course... that's the mission |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
ahh |
| 22:49 |
est31 |
ah, yea then downloading seems reasonable. |
| 22:49 |
hmmmm |
I thought you guys knew about my plans |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
we only get fleeting glimpses of your plans |
| 22:49 |
hmmmm |
oh |
| 22:49 |
hmmmm |
it should probably be posted somewhere like on the forums for persistency |
| 22:50 |
hmmmm |
persistence* |
| 22:50 |
est31 |
I have heard something, but unfortunately I only got seriously into mt-dev after you left |
| 22:50 |
VanessaE |
your whole, evil agenda hadn't yet been revealed :) |
| 22:50 |
hmmmm |
i talked it over with sapier, kahrl, and zeno so far |
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hmmmm |
yeah man |
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hmmmm |
this is gonna be soo good |
| 22:51 |
hmmmm |
no more node prediction lag |
| 22:51 |
hmmmm |
'cause there won't be any need for prediction |
| 22:51 |
est31 |
? you want to become everything hackable? |
| 22:51 |
hmmmm |
awesum special F.X. like rain/fog/mist, heatwaves |
| 22:51 |
hmmmm |
scriptable environments |
| 22:52 |
hmmmm |
lag-free mobs |
| 22:52 |
hmmmm |
lag-free sound |
| 22:52 |
est31 |
yup |
| 22:52 |
est31 |
sounds pretty cool |
| 22:52 |
hmmmm |
est31: well I suppose prediction could still be there, just more consistent |
| 22:52 |
VanessaE |
prediction is gonna get.../complicated |
| 22:52 |
est31 |
every mod would have to do it |
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* VanessaE |
imagines Calinou trying to rewrite moreblocks to support it :) |
| 22:53 |
hmmmm |
I'm not that far along yet |
| 22:53 |
VanessaE |
of course then client-side highlighting of the predicted placement would become possible. |
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hmmmm |
the only reason why placement "prediction" is needed is due to the client not having any scripts |
| 22:54 |
est31 |
and where exactly do you need the bytecode thing now for? |
| 22:54 |
hmmmm |
when the scripts run on the client and really do determine a semi-authoritative answer, it'll just 'be' |
| 22:54 |
hmmmm |
est31: I originally planned to pass the raw bytestream to Lua and have that perform the RPC |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: I do like that idea. |
| 22:54 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 22:54 |
hmmmm |
so the role the "prediction" will have after this, in theory, is to just clean up any mistakes in the event of cheating |
| 22:55 |
hmmmm |
or network problems |
| 22:55 |
est31 |
you would get a parrallell model now |
| 22:55 |
est31 |
and would have to think about race conditions |
| 22:56 |
hmmmm |
you're right, that's another use of server-side prediction |
| 22:56 |
est31 |
aw but now I get what you mean with prediction |
| 22:56 |
hmmmm |
break the tie in the case of a race condition |
| 22:57 |
est31 |
still there are many things to consider |
| 22:57 |
est31 |
e.g. you dont want the client have to download a whole technic network |
| 22:57 |
est31 |
or all areas on the server |
| 22:58 |
hmmmm |
technic is one of those things where it would work best on the server |
| 22:58 |
est31 |
not that they wouldnt be solvable ofc |
| 22:58 |
est31 |
I think there is some code that client can handle well too |
| 22:58 |
hmmmm |
client-side modding is more or less for things such as opening doors, inventory, GUI, HUD, sound, special effects |
| 22:59 |
hmmmm |
mobs :) |
| 22:59 |
est31 |
imagine a drawtype done by lua |
| 22:59 |
est31 |
cablelike |
| 22:59 |
hmmmm |
what's that do |
| 22:59 |
est31 |
currently, cables in technic are done quite ugly |
| 22:59 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: regarding technic... any chance of getting a cable-like drawtype that pipeworks' pneumatic tubes and technic's cabling could use? |
| 23:00 |
est31 |
there is a different node for every single configuration |
| 23:00 |
VanessaE |
(something simple where the modder can configure the textures and the cable's/tube's cross-section) |
| 23:00 |
hmmmm |
is there a chance? |
| 23:00 |
hmmmm |
if there was a chance, i'm not the kind of person to write that |
| 23:00 |
hmmmm |
*shudders* |
| 23:00 |
VanessaE |
hah, est31 beat me to it. |
| 23:00 |
est31 |
ofc, native engine support would be better (for me). |
| 23:00 |
VanessaE |
ninja'd |
| 23:00 |
hmmmm |
that's like, total RBA territory |
| 23:00 |
VanessaE |
RBA? |
| 23:01 |
VanessaE |
who's that? |
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est31 |
lol |
| 23:01 |
VanessaE |
oh, I remember now |
| 23:01 |
hmmmm |
some guy who used to come around and write graphics stuff |
| 23:01 |
hmmmm |
and make shader bugs |
| 23:01 |
VanessaE |
wasn't he some gfx coder about two y.. |
| 23:01 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 23:01 |
est31 |
that dude that wrote technic |
| 23:01 |
est31 |
who* |
| 23:01 |
VanessaE |
est31: yeah, and now somehow you and t4im and I got saddled with maintaining that fucking thing :P |
| 23:02 |
est31 |
yea :) |
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