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00:00 Yves ^
00:01 Yves VanessaE: ^
00:01 est31 what do you mean with skywards btw
00:02 Yves I got a forum about elevators in minetest
00:02 Yves Vanessa was there and telling no need to
00:03 Yves work hard about elevators cauz her skyward mod
00:03 Yves not sure i understood all
00:04 Yves Also, earlier we were talking about smooth lighting
00:04 est31 https://github.com/Sokomine/travelnet
00:04 est31 try this mod for elevators
00:04 Yves and i found smooth lighting in this youtube presentation : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RuYbc6DUMM
00:04 Yves im mystified...
00:05 Yves est31: thx for the link
00:05 est31 I have no idea about lightning
00:05 est31 but perhaps its smoothed
00:05 est31 after all you only have a \mathbb{Z}^2 defined
00:06 est31 and you need \mathbb{R}^2
00:06 est31 so you need some interpolation mechanism
00:06 Yves listening
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00:07 Yves but not sure i understand :/
00:07 est31 but I have no idea about gfx or lightning models :)
00:08 Yves where is that mathbb R?
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00:08 est31 \mathbb{R} compiles to ℝ
00:09 Yves in compilation source?
00:09 est31 and \mathbb{Z} to ℤ
00:09 est31 yes latex compilation
00:10 Yves but if i compile a new minetest...  will i loose my world?
00:10 est31 ??
00:10 est31 no
00:10 est31 you wont
00:10 est31 unless you do really large leaps
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00:10 est31 I'm not sure what nrzkt and others have agreed upon, but there will be some breakage in the next version or the version after it
00:11 est31 but usually no
00:11 Yves est31: thx alot - will try all that
00:11 Yves another question
00:11 Yves if for my presentation i use
00:11 est31 and perhaps ^3 instead of ^2
00:11 Yves her 128 texture
00:12 Yves will it works and can get back to 64 after?
00:12 Yves is that english?
00:12 Yves haha
00:14 Yves i mean HDX
00:15 Yves est31: kk will same my whole minetest.  Will try all that and then report to technic.  Is that ok?
00:15 Yves *save
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00:21 ipv6b Do you know of a way to write chat log to a file? I would like to do a tail -f and then filter messages with grep.
00:21 est31 as server or as client?
00:21 ipv6b (as a client. Not a server)
00:22 est31 I guess you'd need to hack on minetest for that
00:22 ipv6b I understand. Thank you.
00:22 est31 (its not that hard btw)
00:22 est31 just an infostream << message somewhere
00:23 est31 an one-liner
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00:28 Yves est31: didnt find \mathbb in my compilation script...
00:30 est31 mathbb is latex has nothing to do with c++
00:30 est31 or minetest
00:31 Yves i can see a bit.  Will see later.  Thx again :)
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00:56 Yves NDX128 was very simimar to 64.  I installed 256 witch looks great but i lost some items.  Is that normal?
00:57 Yves VanessaE: ^
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01:01 est31 Wayward_One, do you have your tablet handy?
01:01 est31 can you test shaders?
01:03 est31 disable all shaders, but keep the shaders checkbox ticked
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01:06 Warr1024 est31: I tried shaders on my Samsung GT-P5113, and they didn't work.
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01:07 est31 so, was there an output?
01:07 est31 or break?
01:07 est31 for me, its all red
01:07 Warr1024 output
01:07 Warr1024 it was playable, actually
01:07 Warr1024 all the colors were messe
01:08 Warr1024 the worst thing was the alpha channels were all screwed up
01:08 Warr1024 but it was technically playable
01:08 Warr1024 lemme see if I can get some screenies.
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01:19 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Server::step throw is never catched. Replace it with an errorstream + assert" 699d42e http://git.io/ht9O (2015-03-16T21:17:27-04:00)
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01:49 Tablet_One est31, just saw your message. I tested the shaders per your instructions, and everything turned out red
01:50 Tablet_One For the record, I have the newest Kindle Fire HD 6"
01:56 est31 you are the third person having this issue, thanks for confirming
01:56 Tablet_One Np
02:02 WarrTab Is there anyone not having that problem, or having a different one, on that platform?
02:04 est31 https://imgur.com/6m4teRi,EKq​Jze3,qeTkDVO,WR2qYk8,bYjamcq
02:07 est31 WarrTab, Tablet_One https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2502
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03:00 Pilcrow does hud_set_flags() have more flags than listed in the wiki? According to the wiki, hud_set_flags() only sets hotbar, healthbar, crosshair, and wielditem. However, I have tried all combinations of these flags, and every combination disables the air bar. is there a drowningbar flag or something of the sort?
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03:07 Pilcrow never mind; I answered my own question by printing a serialized hud_get_flags(). turns out there's a breathbar flag that isn't in the wiki yet.  :)
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07:10 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Fix various damage related bugs (client-side) c552d29 http://git.io/hqQ3 (2015-03-17T17:08:00+10:00)
07:10 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Minor cleanup: game.cpp 34c5a5b http://git.io/hqQs (2015-03-17T17:07:39+10:00)
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07:20 fuznuts is there a way to download free open source minetest/minecraft structures (houses, castles, bridges...etc) to just automatically place in my server?
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07:41 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Minor bug fix (lag between damage flash and hearts updating) dbe5a44 http://git.io/hqNk (2015-03-17T17:39:59+10:00)
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07:56 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: default/mapgen.lua: Update biomes for new biome API a192f9f http://git.io/hqxd (2015-03-17T07:46:45Z)
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10:10 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Submarine Day! :-D
10:11 est31 why didnt you wish us a PI day :/
10:11 est31 back on saturday
10:13 est31 JamesTait ^
10:13 JamesTait est31, because I was offline. ;)
10:13 JamesTait Stupid weekends. :-P
10:14 est31 :)
10:14 JamesTait And Saturday was particularly manic.
10:14 est31 lol why
10:16 JamesTait My wife was working, and we booked the whole family in for a haircut.
10:17 est31 nice.
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10:17 JamesTait So we kicked off the day with the boys' golf lesson at 9, then back home to drop off their golf bags, then shopping, home to unpack, 45 minute drive to my dad's, hair cut, back to my dad's.
10:18 JamesTait Then things slowed down a little bit.
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10:23 stormchaser3000 does anyone know a workaround for the oversized hud glitch
10:23 stormchaser3000 well actually
10:23 stormchaser3000 everything is WAY oversized on my build of minetest
10:23 stormchaser3000 using opengl 3.0
10:24 est31 stormchaser3000, thats a known issue
10:24 est31 use gui_scaling = 0.96 in minetest.conf
10:24 stormchaser3000 ok
10:24 est31 or a lower value, or higer
10:24 stormchaser3000 even that is WAY too oversized
10:24 stormchaser3000 oh wait
10:25 stormchaser3000 gui_scaling doesn't do anything to my hotbar
10:25 est31 hotbar?
10:25 stormchaser3000 only other forumspec guis
10:25 stormchaser3000 well
10:25 stormchaser3000 hud
10:25 stormchaser3000 *
10:25 stormchaser3000 i don't know what to call the bar at the bottom
10:25 stormchaser3000 hud or hotbar
10:25 est31 use hud_scaling for that
10:25 stormchaser3000 OH ok
10:26 est31 the root issue that this "feature" should fix was retina display: HUD and other formspec was way too small there
10:27 est31 but somehow the fix went wrong
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11:15 ipv6b meow.minetest.net sent me some packets. As part of minetest the game is meow.minetest.net supposed to send me packets?
11:16 ipv6b if I connect to the "just test" server.
11:16 est31 it might be that media were stored on that server
11:17 est31 but otherwise its not required
11:17 est31 if you are behind a NAT though, you initiated the connection
11:19 ipv6b After I quit Minetest I started playing Teeworlds, and it lagged a lot...so I started up Wireshark to see what's going on
11:19 ipv6b and I saw lots of packets coming from meow.minetest.net
11:19 ipv6b I mean a lot of time even after quitting.
11:20 ipv6b So for the moment that makes me assume that gold_digger is sfan5. When I approached gold_digger I got a very hostile attitude
11:22 ipv6b and previously I was called "retard" and "idiot". So not a good history either, but as for me I've also not been nice. But taking it personally to DOS another player is really weak.
11:22 ipv6b weak character of person.
11:22 ipv6b or your server got compromised.
11:22 ipv6b By some angry player.
11:22 ipv6b who took it over and performed the temporary DOS
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11:27 ipv6b On the other hand, what have I done to contribute to Minetest? At the moment not much, but I hope I'll contribute something.
11:28 ipv6b I'll see if I can put some kind of creative touch to client.cpp. If I do, I'll submit a pull request I guess.
11:28 est31 what are you planning?
11:29 ipv6b anyway something trivial as est31 mentioned but for me it's like a jungle in client.cpp. I asked somebody who could be my mentor.
11:29 ipv6b est31, the thing you mentioned earlier that was very trivial.
11:29 est31 the logging?
11:29 ipv6b Yes.
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12:52 sfan5 ipv6b: hi
12:52 ipv6b hi sfan5
12:53 sfan5 you're saying you get packets from my server?
12:53 sfan5 how do they look like?
12:53 sfan5 or ideally, give me a .pcap file
12:53 ipv6b ACKs and stuff
12:54 ipv6b sfan5, but it is only your server? You don't share it with anybody?
12:54 sfan5 no, it's not shared with anyone
12:54 sfan5 can you give me a pcap file?
12:55 ipv6b no, but I know that meow.minetest.net really send me those packets.
12:56 ipv6b if it happens again you'll get a pcap file.
12:56 sfan5 it would help find the cause if you could give me a pcap file
12:56 sfan5 ok, thanks
12:57 sfan5 ipv6b: can you try sending a ping to meow.minetest.net?
12:58 ipv6b sfan5, this was the filter in wireshark "ip.src == 151.236.29.36" and I got these packets continuously
12:58 ipv6b even after closing the game. Teeworlds was unplayable
12:58 sfan5 i can't use that filter on my server
12:58 sfan5 it sends a lot of packets
12:59 ipv6b sfan5, I would love to play with you on some minetest server some day.
12:59 sfan5 were those packets ipv4?
12:59 ipv6b Yes, IPv4.
12:59 ipv6b sfan5, please mention any servers you play on and we might meet some day.
12:59 sfan5 right now i don't play on any
13:00 sfan5 ipv6b: can you pm me the ipv4 address you get these packets _on_?
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13:00 sfan5 (your public ip)
13:00 Calinou I should try Teeworlds again
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13:12 TenPlus1 Hi folks...  is there a way to change hover text for obejcts so it doesnt say "GenericCAO" and armor.health ???
13:15 Calinou TenPlus1, nope
13:15 Calinou it's done in C++
13:16 TenPlus1 thanks Calinou, was hoping otherwise... ehehe
13:17 TenPlus1 bye folks
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13:34 Taoki Hi. Is there a Lua function which allows simulating the slow digging behavior of a node punched by the player? I wnat to make mobs able to slowly dig nodes just like the player.
13:34 Taoki So I'm looking to have the dig sound play on the node, the crackle texture to appear slowly, and the node to disappear once that reaches the end.
13:34 Taoki Of course I can use dig_node already, but that's instant. Can I make the crackle texture appear slowly?
13:38 est31 Taoki, yes you can, but you'll need custom stuff for that. The texture will have to be an SAO or something like that
13:38 Taoki SAO?
13:38 est31 pseudo-mob
13:38 Taoki Ah
13:39 Taoki Well, is there a function I can use to set the "crackle" texture accordingly on the node being dug? Also have particles and dig sounds work, as if done by the player?
13:39 est31 particles are hard
13:39 est31 it needs alot of hacking
13:40 Taoki ok
13:40 est31 I mean, you currently dont see other players dig blocks
13:40 est31 would be good addition though
13:40 Taoki Ah, that too
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14:45 minetest_user I've noticed that when a client connects to a server, it automatically downloads and executes mods. Are servers able to execute unsandboxed arbitrary code on clients? It it safe for me to connect to a server I don't trust or connect to my own over an unauthenticated connection?
14:45 Zeno` No, there is no client-side Lua
14:45 Zeno` the Lua executes on the server only
14:47 * ipv6b thinks "anarchy" should stay inside a game server
14:47 Zeno` (i.e. the mods are on the server... never on your client)
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14:50 ipv6b sfan5, have you been given any IPv6 address or are you still IPv4-only?
14:51 sfan5 ipv6b: what do you mean?
14:52 sfan5 ipv6b: oh, i don't have ipv6
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14:54 ipv6b sfan5, is it technically possible for meow.minetest.net to accept IPv6? Or does the internet provider not give any IPv6 addresses?
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14:55 sfan5 you're talking about meow.minetest.net
14:55 sfan5 yes
14:55 sfan5 it has an ipv6
14:56 * ipv6b just also confirmed that it has. That's cool :)
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15:57 Builder123 Good day all - can anyone tell me whats happened to the ocean experiment server of late?
15:57 Builder123 Currently no on line
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16:22 nrzkt Sokomine ?
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16:55 Sokomine yes?
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16:57 Sokomine hmm. i whish people would say what they want to so i can look it up in my log and reply
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17:33 orbea Is 0.5.0 usable yet?  Or should I just stick with 0.4.12?
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17:40 Calinou stick with 0.4.12 for now, orbea
17:41 Megaf Hi all, is there a simple way to keep a block active?
17:41 orbea thanks :)
17:42 Calinou Megaf, yes, use force loading
17:42 Calinou I guess there's a mod that makes it, so that you place a node in a MapBlock, then the MapBlock stays active
17:45 Megaf Thanks
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18:12 Johnsen2 server irc.inchra.net
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18:23 rubenwardy Hi all!
18:25 Krock hi
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18:25 nrzkt Hi ruben
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18:52 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=11292 Is that user... gone?
18:52 sfan5 apparently
18:52 sfan5 or it was a guest post
18:56 Krock Nah, I remember that account with a green avatar.. it was a country flag
18:56 ekem probably brazil.
18:57 sfan5 yes, brazil
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20:27 Johnsen2 http://www.minecraftskins.com/skin/5069017/goku/
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20:38 Jordach oi proller - my Minetest server has been running for over 400 hours
20:38 Jordach [20:38:54] <JD-BFD> Server has been running for 435:07:16
20:39 proller with 0 players ?
20:39 Jordach proller, ~5
20:39 proller and what ?
20:39 Jordach i refuse to turn it off ever
20:40 proller and what ?
20:40 Jordach it doesn't crash like you said it would
20:41 proller like i what ??
20:43 Nitori not even 20 days.
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20:44 proller proof please
20:46 proller and where your server in serverlist
20:46 Jordach proller, semi private server
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20:47 proller -> average 0 players
20:47 Jordach proller, prove it
20:49 proller your server cant do this - http://forum.freeminer.org/thre​ads/liquids-with-pressure.937/
20:49 Jordach and?
20:49 Jordach silly feature with no use whatsoever apart from being there
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20:50 Jordach it'll be played with once or twice then forgotten abourt
20:50 proller this works in all liquids around you
20:50 proller when you digging in caves too
20:51 Jordach and?
20:51 proller lava can go up in your hole
20:51 Jordach looping through large active areas will just kill the process down to 0.1 tps
20:52 proller what
20:52 proller no 8)
20:52 Jordach feature creep is an evil
20:52 proller did you test it ?
20:52 Jordach why should i
20:53 Jordach the last time someone in this house downloaded from russia was a fucking steam scraper
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21:11 est31 Jordach, these are severe insults based on the nationality
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22:10 Sokomine ok, so about server listing in the server list: it's very good that the list is there. it's confusing that the order in which the servers appear changes constantly
22:10 VanessaE damn it Sokomine  :P
22:11 Sokomine i think most players select servers simply by "which one has the most players on"
22:11 Sokomine oh, sorry :)
22:11 Sokomine but those inhabitants of -dev sometimes get a bit angry if there's too much discussion going on :)
22:11 est31 --> #minetest-dev
22:11 VanessaE the only way to solve that ^^^ issue is to let the user choose the sort criteria
22:12 VanessaE (and make that internal, calculated rank one of them)
22:12 Sokomine ranks don't fit, that's the problem
22:12 Sokomine builders seeking servers do have other requirements than young kids who just want plenty of other players and no rules whatsoever
22:13 Sokomine the criteria shown as symbols are of limited help only
22:13 paxcoder i'm pretty random in my choices
22:13 Sokomine maybe a "you've visited this server x times" might be a helpful criteria
22:13 est31 and builders will perhaps search in the forum
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22:13 Sokomine instead of just the list of "favorites" and "all servers"
22:14 est31 favorites are bad yes
22:14 est31 perhaps total "logged in" time
22:14 Sokomine eventually they will. first-time players certainly won't. if you start something new, you don't immediately head for a forum with tens of thousands of posts
22:14 paxcoder I'm playing on a server where nobody speaks any of the languages i speak.
22:14 est31 first time players are no builders
22:14 est31 they are basically "kids"
22:15 alket which the ultimate gold its to become an admin xD
22:15 Sokomine paxcoder: i've built once on a nice russian realtest-server. it had very nice buildings. sadly i don't speak russian, so i was only able to talk to some of the other players there
22:15 Sokomine the majority are kids. but not all
22:15 paxcoder Sokomine, my admin and my mod are russian-only speakers.
22:16 paxcoder Then there are german kids.
22:16 paxcoder Brazillian players that join infrequently.
22:16 paxcoder Got one that can speak English, but he's rarely on.
22:17 est31 ok, now I'm really gone
22:17 paxcoder It's pretty crappy.
22:17 est31 VanessaE, network rewrite is 30% finished
22:17 paxcoder Not being to understand people.
22:17 est31 not that its alot, but I want to get it beautiful :)
22:17 paxcoder *able
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22:28 Sokomine paxcoder: i can imagine that it's difficult :-)
22:28 Sokomine paxcoder: oh :-(
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22:29 Sokomine paxcoder: i can help with german, and i do understand some french, but i can't really say much in that language anymore
22:30 paxcoder I just built a nuclear reactor there, so I don't think I'm gonna start fresh any time soon.
22:30 paxcoder BTW. Does fuel for it wear out?
22:31 Sokomine anyway - what can we do about the list? right now it's confusing. players expecting good servers might be disappointed
22:32 paxcoder just display nr of players
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22:42 Sokomine hmm. that's not very satisfying
22:42 Sokomine there ought to be more information
22:42 Sokomine didn't i write a posting about that on the forum sometimes? like: suitability for builders...
22:43 Sokomine i'd also love to have the visits to a server counted locally and the list sorted by that
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22:46 paxcoder Sokomine, a text description then, where rules could be explained
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22:50 Sokomine there is a text description servers can provide, but it's still pretty small
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22:50 Sokomine it was even tinier and got imrpoved since then
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23:30 Sokomine and now the discussion just died? :-(
23:30 Sokomine we really need a better server list
23:45 Sokomine is hybrid dog banned from your server?
23:50 paxcoder if you ask me, i wouldn't know, not my server
23:51 Sokomine ups, sorry
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