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00:00 paramat lol
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00:23 devmarth I did the buildbot script for cross compiling to windows, and I think I installed cmake wrong, if anyone can help, let me know
00:26 devmarth my error found here: http://pastebin.com/tRmMNa8H
00:30 devmarth CMake error: CMAKE_C_COMPILER not set, after EnableLanguage AND CMake Error: CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER not set, after Enable Language
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00:52 Warr1024 if you enable 3D filtering, it looks like you get a lot of linear blurring on low-res textures
00:53 Warr1024 but upscaling the textures to some minimum size, like 64x, more-or-less fixes it
00:53 Warr1024 and it doesn't look like it takes a lot of code to do this once, automatically, at time of texture load
00:54 Warr1024 if this works out, I may tackle the problem with the way png optimizers tend to discard color information in fully-transparent pixels
00:55 Warr1024 which causes linear filters to darken the edges of textures.
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01:26 thefamilygrog66 weird bug: I wrote a monster spawner mod, that spawns 1 random mob per second for 20 seconds, but in some locations, it spawns a whole bunch of the same kind all at once (i.e. still spawns 20 mobs, but a whole bunch of maybe three different types)
01:27 devmarth thefamiltgrog66, mind helping me with something?
01:27 devmarth *thefamilygrog66
01:28 devmarth help with this: http://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=3&t=11435
01:29 thefamilygrog66 I'll take a look, but can't promise anything, haha
01:29 devmarth Thanks, its probably something stupid.
01:35 thefamilygrog66 Not sure devmarth - I've only compiled linux builds in ubuntu, but it looks like it can't find required files in the path you're using
01:38 paramat grog, you use an ABM to spawn them?
01:41 thefamilygrog66 paramat, no - on_step = function(self, dtime)
01:43 paramat ah okay, no idea then
01:43 thefamilygrog66 I just figured out why, I think
01:46 thefamilygrog66 pretty sure it's a global / local issue
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02:04 Warr1024 http://imgur.com/a/hmXmG
02:05 Warr1024 feedback would be welcome
02:07 Warr1024 heh, imgur is not exactly the best platform for those screenshots; it looks like they apply some filters of their own.
02:11 hmmmm looks pretty cool
02:11 Warr1024 thanks
02:11 hmmmm what filters are those?
02:11 Warr1024 unfortunately, the code probably does not
02:12 Warr1024 well, one is a custom box filter over the texture at time of insertion into the cache
02:12 Warr1024 the other one is just doing a simple nearest-neighbor upscale on it
02:12 hmmmm didn't realize you could make your own filters
02:13 Warr1024 they're done on the images before they're sent to the vid card
02:13 Warr1024 so they will work on low-end hardware
02:13 Warr1024 they're also applied only at time of inserting the texture into the cache, so should have no lasting performance impact at play-time
02:13 Warr1024 except for any performance impact caused by using bigger textures, if you enable that option.
02:14 Warr1024 the transparency cleanup is pretty much a freebie though :-)
02:15 Warr1024 this will also resolve #2154 in a way that should make everyone involved in it happy :-)
02:16 paramat yeah i never use MT's filters because IMO they make things look worse
02:18 Warr1024 paramat: you check out that imgur link?  I got 16x textures to look pretty good with filtering on, using a low-end Intel IGP that blurs the hell out of most everything.
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02:19 Warr1024 man, I gotta formulate a pullreq now...
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02:19 Warr1024 it's been so long I'm going to have to read the ettiquette guide.
02:19 Warr1024 hey Zeno` ... that reminds me, I gotta see how this patch performs on android :-)
02:20 Zeno` ok :)
02:20 Warr1024 Zeno`: in case you're interested in what I'm talking about, http://imgur.com/a/hmXmG
02:22 Warr1024 https://github.com/Warr1024/minetest/commi​t/32a8570ea8dbacfb7ccf09c0ecc565d2204ca5f5
02:22 Zeno` hmm, looks nice!
02:22 Warr1024 (except for the code)
02:23 Warr1024 I'll have to go through the style guide some more
02:23 Warr1024 feel free to pull and mess around with it if you're interested, though.
02:23 Warr1024 I like the look of it on desktop, gonna try an android build next to see how it affects performance.
02:23 Zeno` code looks mostly ok to me :)
02:24 Warr1024 ah, I figured I'd get blasted for indent styles :-)
02:24 Zeno` if( and for( should be if ( and for (
02:24 Zeno` but that's about it
02:24 Warr1024 maybe I should try wrapping those lines a bit more, they horz scroll for me on github
02:24 Zeno` no, that's the indent style we use (not all the code has been updated obviously lol)
02:24 Zeno` oh yeah... some long lines
02:28 Warr1024 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/c​ompare/master...Warr1024:txrprefilter
02:28 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix bucket code indentation 794a436 http://git.io/pq0n (2015-03-07T21:26:55-05:00)
02:30 Zeno` heh
02:30 Zeno` only space before the parenthesis
02:30 Zeno` e.g. for (u32 sx = ...
02:31 Zeno` otherwise looks good
02:31 Zeno` so this works ok with mip mapping?
02:32 Zeno` I'll apply the patch later. I was hoping to spend today (mostly) away from minetest for a change :)
02:32 Zeno` apply to my branch for testing I mean
02:32 Warr1024 I went ahead and filed it as #2462.
02:32 Warr1024 it shouldn't be significantly affected by the filtering options you choose from the existing ones
02:33 Warr1024 I tested it with trilinear + mip + aniso
02:33 Zeno` the screenshots are pretty impressive
02:33 Warr1024 thx
02:33 paramat Warr1024 yes i looked, an improvement over current filters, but not something i would use as i'm happy with no filters
02:34 Warr1024 paramat: cool.  I was careful to make these configurable and default-off.
02:35 Warr1024 tbh, I always played no-filters too, but it was mainly because filtered looked like crap
02:35 Warr1024 but this fixes it for me, at least.
02:36 Warr1024 no-filters give you a lot of aliasing noise in the distance.
02:36 Warr1024 mip-only gives you a lot of blurriness on anything angled relative to the camera
02:37 Warr1024 and turning on aniso seems to enable linear filtering on all video cards I've tried, hence there was previously no solution that got EVERYTHING right that I was looking for.
02:38 paramat yes no combination of current filters looks acceptable to me, i decided the aliasing noise was preferable
02:39 Warr1024 maybe someday someone will have a nice shader filter to clean these up, but I'll probably never be able to run it on my hardware.
02:49 shadowzone hai, Zeno`
03:08 Warr1024 got the android build done, time to try it out
03:15 Warr1024 hm, enabling it on android isn't too bad, though it makes the texture seam issues on mine rather visible on weilditems.
03:15 Warr1024 on the other hand, all filters enabled, and no noticeable performance problems.
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03:18 Warr1024 though it looks like my device actually only does trilinear and not aniso
03:19 ShadowNinja Warr1024: Can you help me test something?
03:20 Warr1024 sure, what kinda something?
03:21 ShadowNinja Warr1024: Checking for a bug.  Connect to my server.
03:21 Warr1024 what is it?
03:21 Warr1024 er the server, not the bug
03:22 ShadowNinja Er, NVM, won't work on my server.  Moment.
03:22 Warr1024 cool
03:25 ShadowNinja Warr1024: horus.inchra.net port 30000
03:25 Warr1024 argh, middle-click does not do X11 paste in MT menu :-)
03:26 Warr1024 Connecting to server...
03:26 Warr1024 seems kind a stuck...?
03:26 ShadowNinja Warr1024: Moment...
03:27 Warr1024 firewall?
03:27 ShadowNinja Warr1024: Nah.  Try now.
03:28 Warr1024 not looking any different so far...
03:29 Warr1024 any way to check to make sure it's not a problem on my end?
03:29 Warr1024 maybe you can confirm that you're getting incoming UDP port 30k packets?
03:30 ShadowNinja Was connected to the wrong network. Try now.
03:31 Warr1024 This server is whitelisted and I'm not on the whitelist
03:31 ShadowNinja Warr1024: ^
03:31 ShadowNinja ...
03:31 ShadowNinja Sorry, I usually don't have this much trouble.
03:31 Warr1024 np
03:31 ShadowNinja Whitelisted.
03:33 Warr1024 in...ish
03:41 Zeno` <ShadowNinja> Sorry, I usually don't have this much trouble.   <--- That's what I used to say to the girls as well
03:41 Zeno` :-o
03:43 * Zeno` idles again
03:43 Warr1024 I filed #2456 as an issue, but I might as well make a pullreq for the proposed fix...
03:53 Warr1024 #2463 now
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04:06 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Heightmaps: Fix uninitialised values in mgv5/mgv6. findGroundLevel: Return -MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT if surface not found d463000 http://git.io/pq6N (2015-03-08T03:54:03Z)
04:15 VanessaE Warr1024: screenshots for 2154 look good.  hope that goes in.  I've been wanting that feature for a while :)
04:16 VanessaE for your fix thereof I mean
04:20 Warr1024 VanessaE: thanks
04:23 Warr1024 it should be pretty easy to merge
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04:26 Warr1024 as a rule, I limit my modding work to 16x textures
04:26 Warr1024 >16x is, to me, the sole territory of texture pack artists
04:26 Warr1024 except my mods are not popular enough for there to be texture packs
04:27 Warr1024 so making 16x look like it should is pretty key
04:28 Warr1024 there are still visual problems
04:28 Warr1024 with smooth light off, grass looks weird; with it on, nodeboxes look weird.
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04:31 Warr1024 one idea I played with, but haven't yet tried to implement, is pixel-art-specific filters for low-res textures
04:32 Warr1024 like hqx or xBRZ
04:32 Warr1024 it'd be a lot of code, though.
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05:20 WarrTab minet, mineter, minetest.
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05:34 EnB_ does anybody here still kept the old version of irc mod?
05:37 EnB_ hello?
05:37 VanessaE old version?
05:38 VanessaE why?
05:40 EnB_ i want to try using it in windows. someone told me that the old version works in windows...
05:40 VanessaE (and what do you mean "old version" anyway?  it's a git rolling release I thought)
05:41 VanessaE well it'll work in windows just as well now as it would have before - it depends on luasocket, but the mod code itself is just plain Lua afaict.
05:41 VanessaE mod code is here, https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
05:43 EnB_ do we need to change the package path
05:43 EnB_ *?
05:43 VanessaE dunno
05:43 VanessaE it just works for me these days
05:43 VanessaE but I use linux, so..
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05:49 MinetestBot [git] MoNTE48 -> minetest/minetest: Update Android Makefile c788b17 http://git.io/pq7e (2015-03-08T15:48:40+10:00)
05:50 Zeno` systemd incoming!
05:56 VanessaE byte your tongue
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06:03 devmarth heyo
06:06 VanessaE hi
06:07 devmarth hey vanessae, what's up?
06:08 VanessaE nothing muchj
06:08 VanessaE -j
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06:35 * Zeno` hands VanessaE a systemd and goes back to cooking
06:36 VanessaE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
06:36 Zeno` Next ubuntu will have it. Aren't you excited?
06:36 VanessaE yeah, about as excited as I might get over a root canal.
06:36 Zeno` you're one of *those* kinds of people
06:36 Zeno` I had no idea
06:37 VanessaE yeah, the kind that worries about her system not booting and not wanting to have to learn weird new tools just to view a G*d damned log file :P
06:37 Zeno` I have trouble getting excited over root canals, but whatever floats your boat
06:37 VanessaE heh
06:37 Zeno` xD
06:38 Zeno` thrice cooked roast potatoes are being prepared
06:38 Zeno` tonight we shall have a feast!
06:38 VanessaE yummers
06:38 Zeno` I made the choccie moose yesterday
06:38 Zeno` kind of ate one already. Had to test it you see
06:39 Zeno` tally ho, back to the kitchen for me
06:39 Zeno` heh
06:42 sofar VanessaE: if you have systemd issues (and you're not using ubuntu or debian) feel free to ask me - I'm one of the people who helped the systemd project a lot.
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06:42 sofar but, tbh, it's quite likely the debian folks will make a mess out of it, it'll be quite a while before people that get it through an update stop screaming like VanessaE just did :)
06:43 VanessaE I use both xubuntu and debian and don't have systemd troubles yet -- because afaik my systems don't yet have that ...suite... installed.
06:43 sofar I'm glad upstart and sysv are dying/dead
06:43 sofar the reliability of my servers has skyrocketed since I've switched to systemd
06:43 VanessaE I likes my /etc/rc.local and you can't take that away from meeeeeeeee
06:43 sofar things restart properly, things get shutdown properly
06:44 sofar eh, it's old rust. some people like old rust
06:44 sofar but then treat it like a museum piece
06:44 sofar don't expect it to go on the road and drive 50k miles a year ;)
06:45 VanessaE maybe I'm just getting too old to go learning yet another new init system :P
06:46 sofar yes, that's indeed quite likely
06:46 * sofar ducks
06:46 VanessaE :P
06:46 sofar in all honesty, the folks at ubuntu are doing a good job, the ones that are left anyway
06:47 sofar the guy who wrote upstart left to work for google
06:47 sofar the guy who followed up after him got hired by me, *grin*
06:49 VanessaE heh
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06:55 EndymionM Hi, strange question, when did drowning disappear, and how can I turn it back on?
06:55 VanessaE er, it should be present in current releases, as long as you're in survival mode and damage is turned on
06:58 EndymionM I am and it is...  and yet when I'm underwater, no bubbles, no drowning
06:58 VanessaE weird
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06:58 EndymionM Very much so.
06:58 VanessaE this is normally game-dependent - I assume your minetest_game is current also?
06:59 EndymionM It's... whatever came with 0.4.12...
06:59 VanessaE that's current.
06:59 VanessaE better file an issue then
06:59 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new
07:00 VanessaE that's a new-ish one to me -- then again I thought I'd seen someone earlier say that they had some problem with their health bar not updating on item-erat
07:00 VanessaE eat*
07:00 VanessaE might have been in another issue report.
07:01 EndymionM And, as far as mods, I have homedecor_modpack (thank you, btw), mesecons, moreores, moreblocks, carts, compassgps, unifieddyes, and WorldEdit.
07:01 VanessaE it was an issue, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2449
07:01 VanessaE (you're welcome :)  )  those mods won't affect that
07:03 EndymionM I'd figured.  Though compassgps slowed me down something fierce, and I switched to just writing coordinates in a book.  And eating hasn't given me trouble, so far as I can tell.  What I may do is try unchecking and rechecking damage, see if that fixes it...
07:06 EndymionM Okay.  That did fix it; still, weird bug... I'll have to see if I can replicate it before I file an issue.  Doesn't do much good if I don't know why it happened.
07:10 EndymionM Oh, and proof that you should be proud of homedecor - one of the big things that converted a friend of mine from buying Minecraft to downloading Minetest was when I showed them my toilet :-P
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07:27 VanessaE heh
07:28 VanessaE saved from the dark side by...a toilet.
07:29 EndymionM Yup.
07:31 devmarth ha
07:32 devmarth I experimented with mapgen_v7.cpp and cavegen.cpp and messed around a bit, and made some really nice map generation. It's really sexy
07:41 devmarth Is there any documentation on travis?
07:42 ShadowNinja ~give devmarth lmgtfy Travis documentation
07:42 ShadowBot devmarth: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Travis%20documentation
07:43 devmarth No, I mean for the uses it has for Minetest.
07:43 devmarth I see it's a compiler or something?
07:43 ShadowNinja devmarth: It's a continuous integration system.
07:44 devmarth I'm currently trying to compile a Windows build on Ubuntu and wanted to see if that helped. I got build bot to work but several (but not all) dlls were missing in the windows build
07:45 devmarth Any advice or knowledge on why that's happening? Or maybe a documentation page or a forum with a similar question?
07:46 ShadowNinja No, I've never successfully build for Windows.
07:46 ShadowNinja Add the DLLs needed to the bin dir.
07:46 devmarth That's gonna have to be a question for sfan5 then. He seems to have a working script for it.
07:47 devmarth I did add them, however one of them needed something inside of them which is kind of weird. So it didn't work out anyways.
07:51 jojoa1997 HI
07:51 VanessaE hi
07:55 devmarth hi
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08:17 sfan5 devmarth: hi
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09:39 justas2 Hi...?
09:40 justas2 Zzzz
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09:50 Krock hi and bye
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12:00 rubenwardy Hi all!
12:01 Krock hi
12:01 rubenwardy Is your PR ready to merge?
12:01 Krock depends if it works on linux
12:02 Krock it compiled fine here so I think there's no problem
12:03 rubenwardy Works fine
12:03 Krock good
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12:21 Krock rubenwardy, there's already a new pull request :P
12:21 rubenwardy Impressive. Thanks
12:21 Krock np
12:29 rubenwardy Merged. Thanks.
12:29 Krock np
12:29 Krock I keep answering with np and idk why
12:30 rubenwardy np
12:31 Krock xD
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13:20 Krock http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014​-01/enhanced/webdr05/6/11/anigif_enh​anced-buzz-22874-1389025870-43.gif
13:21 ElectronLibre Voxel's god bless infinite gifs.
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13:24 Jordach rubenwardy, http://a.pomf.se/imzgqf.png
13:24 rubenwardy Awesome
13:24 rubenwardy There's something about those block textures that make them easy on the eyes
13:26 Jordach i am working on replacing the boat though
13:27 Krock Jordach, are you making an OCD game?
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13:30 Calinou reminds me of AoS
13:31 Krock Age of Suicide?
13:31 Krock jk
13:38 Krock Jordach, where's the vox repo?
13:39 Jordach Krock, you're not getting anything until i finish the base conversion
13:40 rubenwardy could just rip the textures like you did to Kenney
13:40 rubenwardy XD
13:40 Jordach >1px textures
13:40 Krock xD
13:40 rubenwardy True
13:40 ElectronLibre 1px textures, at least not very heavy to download.
13:41 Krock use optipng!
13:41 Jordach HECK NO
13:41 Jordach you're saving ~1kbit
13:42 Krock that's horrible!
13:42 Jordach we live in the age of terabytes
13:43 Jordach http://a.pomf.se/viixyu.png - new boats
13:44 Krock I wonder why they're called boars.. those are raft
13:44 Krock s
13:46 Jordach http://a.pomf.se/wgnpjj.png ಠ_ಠ
13:46 Krock lool
13:47 rubenwardy Hot
13:47 Krock turn off the smooth shadows, take a screenshot and use paint to colorize node by node :3
13:51 Jordach ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) http://a.pomf.se/mlujdj.png
13:51 rubenwardy ^ NSFW
13:51 rubenwardy Honestly, Jordach. Huff,.
13:52 Jordach blame Minetest needing insane scaling for entities
13:52 * ElectronLibre doesn't understand why it's nsfw.
13:52 Jordach and no, visual_scale scales the player instead
13:52 * ElectronLibre just understood. Well done Jordach.
13:54 Jordach http://a.pomf.se/hgwhdt.png
13:54 Jordach wooo
13:54 Jordach it fits perfectly
13:54 ElectronLibre That's better Jordach.
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13:59 FreeFull Jordach: That's a very tiny boat o.o
13:59 Jordach FreeFull, you make rafts, not boats
13:59 FreeFull Raft then
14:00 Jordach it's only meant to fit one person, not two
14:01 Jordach (you could with correct placement, three people onto the old raft)
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14:06 Jordach anyone want an apple? http://a.pomf.se/hshmwg.png
14:08 Dartmouth yes plz
14:08 ElectronLibre It looks like cube red pumpkins. :D
14:08 ElectronLibre s/cube/cubic
14:09 Jordach ElectronLibre, even farming will be upgraded to cubes
14:10 ElectronLibre I know, you told us that everything will be made out of voxels.
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14:13 Jordach seems legit http://zoomquilt.org/
14:16 Krock Jordach, now it's art: http://i.imgur.com/ApgY48E.png
14:18 rubenwardy Krock, would it be possible for you to make a build of the latest master? 0.8.1 XD Does it take long? My computer is so slow that it takes ~ 20 minutes to make a build. (rebooting into Windows, configuring, etc)
14:18 rubenwardy NBE
14:18 Krock NBE takes about 1 - 2 minutes to build here
14:19 Krock sure, gonna compile HEAD
14:19 rubenwardy It's mostly the time it takes to load Windows for me.
14:21 Krock rubenwardy, and how's the 0.8.1 version called?
14:21 rubenwardy zip file name?
14:22 rubenwardy I forgot to change the version string in CMakeLists :(
14:22 Krock yes, I meant that version sring
14:22 rubenwardy Glass again.
14:22 rubenwardy All 0.X have the same names
14:22 rubenwardy So 0.8.1 Glass
14:23 rubenwardy 0.8.X is a patch :)
14:23 Jordach http://a.pomf.se/xrnnsb.png :D
14:24 Krock 53s took the compiler this time
14:25 Krock rubenwardy, https://www.dropbox.com/s/ty32rc​657ytzxfo/NodeBoxEditor_0.8.1.7z
14:25 rubenwardy Thank you
14:25 Krock np
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14:39 Jordach Krock, on a rail http://a.pomf.se/bciuab.png
14:42 Krock Jordach, you broke the system. That's ont 1x1 px
14:42 Krock *not
14:42 Jordach Krock, crafting is 3x3 (x3) voxels
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14:42 Krock oh yes, the tools are something like 4x4
14:42 Jordach there are several 3x3 textures in use to signify crafted materials
14:43 Jordach Krock, tools are 3x3
14:43 Krock until now, it's just a texture pack :P
14:44 Jordach eventually, ingot blocks, furnaces, stairs and slabs will become harder to craft
14:44 Jordach because you'll need to assemble them into a 3d shape
14:47 Krock make the crafting grid 4x4 and it's getting funny
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14:54 Warr1024 if you want to stay true to the strict "voxel" concept, you could replace the "rails" node with a "rail" node
14:55 Jordach Warr1024, i would, but performance issues when there's lots of rails nearby :)
14:57 Warr1024 performance in what sense?  Figuring out the interconnections, or for figuring out how to actually travel on them?
14:57 Warr1024 if you had a "single rail" node, you could use a 1x1 texture so it wouldn't need any interconnect logic
14:58 Warr1024 the hard part would be if you wanted some vehicle to travel along them, it'd have to either be a monorail vehicle (and have difficulty with intersections) or ride between 2 rails and have to do a bit of logic each node-length it traveled.
14:58 Jordach Warr1024, that's why i kept it to rail like
14:59 Warr1024 it might not be so bad, though.
14:59 Warr1024 it might mean that your railways are wider, and your intersections are larger
14:59 Warr1024 but that was one of the things about MC that always bugged me, with their blocks getting more and more complex
15:00 Warr1024 but the beauty of the game was its malleability and uniformity at the block level
15:00 Warr1024 so you can't take apart these more complex blocks and change how they work.
15:01 Warr1024 breaking it up into a 3-wide rail, cross-tie, rail set instead of a 1-wide "rails" node could be interesting, and might actually have performance benefits too, and make a player think more when designing railways...
15:01 Jordach Warr1024, basically, if it has one crafting step, the texture is 2x2, if it has many and or a 3d object, it's 3x3
15:01 Warr1024 you're basically JUST doing a texture pack right now?
15:01 Jordach Warr1024, crafting will get modifed
15:02 Warr1024 or is this going to be a mod or game?
15:02 Jordach stairs are no longer cheap to make
15:03 Jordach but right now it will be a basic level fork of MTG utilising design instead of graphics
15:04 Warr1024 sounds pretty neat
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15:04 Warr1024 I always wondered if it'd be possible to get rid of the crafting grid
15:04 Jordach it's not meant to follow realism
15:04 Warr1024 one idea was to craft a crafting table by preparing a flat 3x3 surface, then just place your items on it physically
15:05 Warr1024 everything would have to be node, then...
15:12 Jordach hm, so is this the correct args for minetestserver " ./minetestserver --gameid vox --worldname vox --port 30001 "
15:13 Krock you specify the gameid?
15:13 Jordach yes
15:13 Krock I thought that's in world.mt
15:13 rubenwardy You don't need to if it's in world.mt
15:13 rubenwardy ^^
15:13 Krock ninja'd
15:13 rubenwardy But doesn't matter
15:14 rubenwardy I use ./minetest --server --worldname test1 because I build with -DBUILD_SERVER=0
15:14 rubenwardy (faster to compiler XD)
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15:30 Jordach krocky boy
15:30 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Vox
15:30 Krock thx jordy boy
15:31 * ElectronLibre git clones
15:34 Jordach [15:33:46] --> JD-Vox (~Minetest@178.62.59.177) has joined #minetest
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15:35 Jordach !up jordach.net 30001
15:35 MinetestBot jordach.net:30001 is up (6ms)
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15:37 Dartmouth lava isn't animated?
15:39 est31 it is
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15:43 Dartmouth I meant in Vox
15:45 Jordach i haven't sorted the gradient yet
15:45 Jordach Krock, inventories have been kept
15:45 Jordach just deleted the world + rollback
15:45 Krock oh my lovely dirt and sand :3
15:48 Dartmouth textures for wood tools are still the same as mtg
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15:55 Jordach noted
15:56 Dartmouth also wooden doors
15:58 Jordach this is an early release instead of doing it fully before releasing
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16:21 luizrpgluiz hi all
16:22 est31 how can I remove some worldedit selection box that didnt get removed?
16:24 Calinou punch it
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16:32 Krock Jordach, https://github.com/SmallJoker/speci​al/blob/master/sapling_planter.lua
16:34 est31 Calinou, and those black "planes"?
16:35 est31 they don't have a punch box
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16:40 srifqi good evening, any people around here?
16:41 est31 seems so, dont ask to ask just ask pls :P
16:43 srifqi okay, sorry
16:43 srifqi so, what minetest do you use? (version)
16:44 Calinou latest Git
16:44 srifqi lastest?
16:44 srifqi woah,
16:45 VanessaE est31:  //reset
16:45 VanessaE that'll get rid of the selection box, or it's supposed to anyway
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16:46 est31 VanessaE, the selection boxes got removed by another player's worldedit //set air invocation, now only the planes remain
16:46 est31 no way to manually remove them?
16:47 VanessaE enclose them in a larger selection area and do //clearobjects (two slashes) ?
16:47 VanessaE however, //set shouldn't be able to affect those, they're entities
16:48 VanessaE check your logs, see if the server is throwing "suspiciously large amount of objects, forcing delete" messages
16:48 VanessaE or "already contains X objects, forcing delete"
16:49 VanessaE those are the only way those selection box images should ever be removed aside from //set and //reset
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16:51 est31 ok clearobjects didnt work
16:52 est31 do they get removed on server restart?
16:52 VanessaE idk
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16:52 VanessaE a full /clearobjects (one slash) should kill them, but you know how long THAT takes
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17:04 srifqi so, anybody know about another unofficial minetest irc?
17:04 srifqi are they REALLT MORE user?
17:04 srifqi *REALLY
17:05 VanessaE this is the official minetest IRC
17:05 VanessaE there is also a network and channel for some servers
17:05 srifqi how about another?
17:05 VanessaE irc.inchra.net #minetest
17:05 srifqi can you tell 'em?
17:05 VanessaE but it's not a general chat channel as such
17:06 srifqi let me see
17:08 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix unitialized data when creating TOSERVER_INIT packet 57d86cf http://git.io/pOPm (2015-03-08T18:03:43+01:00)
17:08 est31 VanessaE, what is the worldedit //copy command supposed to do?
17:09 est31 I want to move one region from A to b
17:09 VanessaE just what it sounds like :)
17:09 est31 what is the ? for?
17:09 est31 and what is // ?stack
17:09 VanessaE ? refers to your current facedir
17:09 est31 //stack *
17:10 VanessaE (as opposed to specifying exactly X, Y, or Z)
17:10 est31 yes
17:10 VanessaE //stack is if you want to make several copies at equal intervals
17:10 VanessaE for example, if you select a region 10x10x10 and you tell it, //stack x 5
17:10 VanessaE it'll make 5 more copies along the X axis, spanning 50 nodes
17:12 VanessaE whereas //copy just makes a single copy at the target location, e.g.  //copy x 5 would make one copy of the region, with the target location set to {original X+5, original Y, original Z}
17:12 srifqi is #minetest-mods running?
17:12 VanessaE that channel exists but is not used much
17:13 srifqi so, what it used to be?
17:13 VanessaE it was used for modding discussion
17:14 srifqi so, i can ask about modding related there?
17:15 srifqi and, how about discussing a pr to minetest?
17:15 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix memleak pointed by issue #2439. 3ae16f1 http://git.io/pO12 (2015-03-08T18:13:27+01:00)
17:18 VanessaE srifqi: just ask here.
17:18 VanessaE you're unlikely to get a response in -mods
17:18 VanessaE because there's usually no one there :P
17:18 srifqi you're too, XD
17:20 srifqi VanessaE: how to add a label at Minetest main menu?
17:21 srifqi see rubenwardy's screenshot at #1990
17:21 VanessaE no idea :P
17:21 srifqi :(
17:21 VanessaE I don't know the main menu code.
17:22 srifqi okay, so, you know who can i ask to?
17:22 VanessaE someone in here should be able to answer, but I'm not sure who to ask.
17:23 srifqi is sapier use this irc?
17:23 srifqi sapier = the creator of mainmenu AFAIK
17:24 VanessaE he can occasionally be found here, but not much lately.
17:24 srifqi oh,
17:26 est31 srifqi, I guess its not minetest origin
17:26 est31 but added after the screenshot was made
17:26 est31 image editor like gimp
17:26 est31 or adobe something
17:27 srifqi yes, but how to code
17:27 srifqi ?
17:27 est31 mainmenu is done by formspec
17:28 srifqi and how to costumize main menu?
17:28 VanessaE srifqi: learn Lua :P
17:29 est31 and read the docs
17:29 srifqi VanessaE: already learned
17:29 srifqi except the docs, still learning
17:29 est31 srifqi, http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_mod​ding_book/chapters/formspecs.html
17:29 srifqi okay,
17:30 srifqi i mean i can't find any formspec that add subgame logo at singleplayer tab
17:31 est31 thats a bad idea
17:31 est31 I think it should be somewhere in the settings tab
17:31 est31 language is no subgame
17:31 est31 and the top right corner also isnt a good place
17:32 fz72 VanessaE: I was testing on your creative server. Your right there are these errors.
17:32 VanessaE fz72: the http stuff?  it's normal there.  ignore them.
17:33 VanessaE the thing about index.mth should be rewritten to say something like "index.mth not found, using flat-directory method"
17:33 VanessaE or something similar
17:33 VanessaE rather than implying it's an error
17:33 fz72 No the others. Sometimes there is nothing of the map and map doesn't load correct.
17:33 VanessaE and media files not being found should be "foo.png not found on remote media server, fetching from minetest server instance instead" or so.
17:34 VanessaE fz72: ohhh right
17:34 fz72 Maybe it's something with my internet 64 kbyte downstream -.-
17:34 VanessaE fz72: any chance you can replicate these errors on some other servers also?
17:35 fz72 Maybe. I will test other servers.
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17:40 fz72 VanessaE: Do you know a server that is as big as yours?
17:41 VanessaE not really
17:41 srifqi how about linuxgaming.us? is it bigger that VanessaE's servers?
17:42 Calinou “just test” :P
17:42 fz72 just test is working
17:43 srifqi yes, with a LOT of players
17:51 srifqi what do you think about "blue" color in minetest's world configuration in mod list? is it too dark?
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18:00 fz72 VanessaE: I don't understand it. I only have problems with your server.
18:01 VanessaE my server is probably the heaviest as far as mods
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18:01 VanessaE and it's been getting hit HARD by that stupid ghost entities bug too
18:01 VanessaE which just makes the problem worse
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18:35 MultiCraftMaster hi
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18:41 luizrpgluiz MultiCraftMaster:hi
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19:34 devmarth hey, sfan5 you here?
19:36 sfan5 yes
19:36 devmarth do you mind, helping me with a windows build? i have successfully created an ubuntu build but buildbot.sh didnt work
19:36 devmarth well it did, but dll's were missing
19:37 devmarth you said on a forum you would help people, so i wanted to ask :P
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19:38 sfan5 which DLLs are missing?
19:38 devmarth maybe you have a seperate buildbot script that installs all the dependencies or one better than the one provided at /util/
19:38 devmarth I cant remember which ones, but I manually added them which didnt work
19:38 devmarth I deleted the build
19:39 sfan5 if you tell me which ones are missing i can help you
19:39 devmarth i really cant
19:40 devmarth Can you just help me from scratch?
19:40 sfan5 i don't have a buildbot that's "better" than the official buildbot script
19:40 devmarth Do you have one that installs all dependencies needed
19:40 sfan5 you mean the dependencies on the host system?
19:41 devmarth The things i need to successfully compile it for windows
19:41 devmarth on ubuntu
19:41 sfan5 no
19:41 devmarth what?
19:41 sfan5 all you need is mingw
19:41 devmarth Okay, so "sudo apt-get install mingw32"?
19:42 sfan5 sudo apt-get install mingw-w64
19:42 devmarth isnt that just for 64 bit? i need a 32 bit build
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19:42 devmarth ok so after i get this, just run the buildbot script?
19:43 sfan5 mingw-w64 is for both 32 and 64 bit
19:43 devmarth Okay, good.
19:43 sfan5 after that you probably need to tweak two files and then you can run the buildbot
19:43 devmarth Tweak which files?
19:43 devmarth I already edited some files to clone the scripts from my repo (a forked repo)
19:44 sfan5 toolchain_mingw.cmake
19:44 devmarth Alright, what modifications do i need to make
19:46 sfan5 one moment
19:47 devmarth ok
19:49 sfan5 devmarth: make it look like this: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/sfan5/71​29e4034b33c065f10b/raw/fe96cf77a5682a3e6beb​e87dc2a7a43185ffe5cd/toolchain_mingw.cmake
19:49 est31 sfan5, you have an idea why my travis android PR is sometimes failin?
19:49 devmarth already looks like that
19:49 devmarth so im good
19:50 sfan5 est31: nope, i don't know why the compiler might fail internally
19:51 devmarth thanks sfan5
19:51 sfan5 est31: it would be good if you could remove the swap stuff so other people (and me) can see the error in the travis log
19:52 est31 above I linked it
19:52 est31 sfan5, https://travis-ci.org/minetest​/minetest/jobs/53444462#L7045
19:52 est31 scroll to line 7045 or search for the error message
19:53 sfan5 oh
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19:55 est31 the "can work" comment in the PR links to logs that work
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19:56 WarrTab What's it take to get an enhancement merged?  I've only ever submitted bugfixes before...
19:57 T4im ssh mai
19:57 T4im meh
19:57 est31 ssh meh?
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19:57 WarrTab Wrong window?
19:57 est31 T4im, this is irc, not your shell :)
19:57 T4im could have typed in lot worse though, haha
19:58 devmarth heh
19:58 est31 mai a dns host or set in config?
19:58 T4im all in local config
19:58 T4im even user gets set automaticly
19:58 * T4im is lazy that way
19:59 * est31 does control+R
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19:59 T4im don't forget its also used for git :P
19:59 T4im which is nice
20:00 est31 why that
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20:01 T4im for example because you can set the user git for your github host
20:01 T4im less typing :p
20:01 est31 github aint no shell
20:01 T4im but git uses the ssh config too
20:02 T4im for ssh transport that is
20:02 est31 yes
20:02 est31 I just copy-paste it from github.com
20:02 est31 nice they don't require flash just for this
20:02 T4im I am just lazier than that
20:03 est31 in the past, going to github always made this "install flash" popup
20:03 est31 stupid flash
20:03 T4im true words you speak
20:03 T4im but it's a dead tech anyway
20:04 T4im haven't seen flash around for over a year now I think… github might have been one of the last, indeed
20:09 devmarth sfan5, i get a dll error, u still here?
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20:09 sfan5 devmarth: yes
20:09 devmarth ok, so the file is at http://filedropper.com/blokel-devbuild
20:10 devmarth and it seems theres no dll's
20:10 devmarth i dont quite understand
20:10 sfan5 i can't help you until i have downloaded the file
20:10 devmarth that is the downloaded file
20:11 sfan5 which is taking ages because filedropper is slow
20:11 devmarth Oh, take as long as you need. I wont use filedropper next time
20:11 devmarth Sorry
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20:13 devmarth I just ran the script provided from /util/buildbot and nothing seems to work, i mean it did, but the dll's arent there
20:13 est31 Sokomine, you there?
20:13 est31 is it true that you can't delete subareas?
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20:14 est31 with the markerstone?
20:15 sfan5 devmarth: file still downloading; which dlls are not there?
20:15 devmarth run the exe
20:15 devmarth when its finished
20:16 devmarth it seems NONE of them are there
20:19 devmarth the /bin folder just has minetest.exe, nothing else. but all the other files for everything else is there in places like /builtin or /games
20:25 devmarth sfan5, almost done downloading?
20:26 sfan5 devmarth: how big is your file?
20:26 devmarth no idea
20:26 devmarth like 99 MB
20:27 devmarth how many mbps are u getting?
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20:30 devmarth alright sfan5, instead of u downloading this and seeing the problem, can you just send me your buildbot script you use and ill modify it? because mine has literally no dll's, just an exe
20:31 devmarth seems quicker to do that, but its up to you
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20:31 sfan5 devmarth: i use the official buildbot script
20:31 est31 devmarth, there is a cross compile script in the util/travis/script.sh file
20:32 devmarth So, if i run that on Ubuntu, itll make a windows script?
20:32 devmarth windows build*
20:33 sfan5 est31: that script does some things you might not want to do on your system (such as just downloading something and unpacking it to / instead of installing a correct package)
20:33 sfan5 <devmarth> how many mbps are u getting?
20:33 sfan5 I'm getting 15 KB/s
20:33 devmarth Wow.
20:34 sfan5 can you give me the output of the build script instead?
20:34 est31 sfan5, is there another "official" build script`
20:34 est31 s/`/?/
20:34 sfan5 est31: what do you mean?
20:34 devmarth i could if i didnt leave the OS afterwards
20:34 devmarth sfan5; http://github.com/blokel/blokel
20:35 whtemple1959 hello room, I am using version 0.4.12-dev, I have been sorting out the nuances of the game for a few weeks and find it most intriguing and frustating at the same time. I have 3 questions 1) is there a public server for children under 13? 2) is there a way to move a slab from the bottom of a node to the top of a node? 3) how do I load my world with animals and npc from the animals modpack?
20:36 est31 1) idk 2) you have to face up when placing, you can change it for placed nodes with a screwdriver 3) do you have an error, or ask how to install a mod?
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20:37 sfan5 devmarth: uh...
20:38 devmarth sfan5; hm?
20:38 sfan5 devmarth: the current combination of code you have in the repo violates the LGPL
20:39 devmarth how so?
20:40 sfan5 you can't combine Freeminers GPL code and Minetests LGPL code
20:40 devmarth i did not do that
20:41 sfan5 src/log_types.cpp
20:41 devmarth OH, i know what it is
20:41 devmarth yeah
20:41 devmarth and mapgen_indev.cpp
20:41 sfan5 correct
20:41 devmarth those scripts arent used and can be deleted without any damage
20:41 devmarth i added them to test something and forgot to delete it when i pushed it
20:41 devmarth ill delete em now
20:42 devmarth what other files have to be deleted?
20:42 devmarth i forget, but the freeminer code was a test and can be deleted without any issue
20:42 sfan5 anyway
20:43 sfan5 i have no idea why it would fail to copy the DLLs
20:43 devmarth ill look through later
20:43 sfan5 but doing s/minetest/blokel/ everywhere might cause problems
20:43 devmarth can you try building it for me and see if you get dll's
20:43 devmarth what?
20:44 sfan5 you changed (almost) every "Minetest" to blokel
20:44 devmarth Yeah
20:44 sfan5 that can cause problems
20:44 devmarth Where should I go to fix that? I was also looking to make it execute blokel.exe
20:44 devmarth so this may help other things too
20:45 sfan5 i don't know what exactly you could do to fix this
20:45 devmarth what other files say Minetest?
20:46 devmarth Should I just go through every file and change everything to Blokel?
20:46 sfan5 i don't know whether that would fix it
20:46 devmarth try compiling it for windows and see if the dll's work for you if u have time
20:47 sfan5 nah
20:48 devmarth damn ok
20:48 devmarth I think I have an idea of how to fix this actually
20:49 devmarth maybe in CMakeLists i should change project(blokel) to project(minetest)
20:51 est31 I guess doing a large find . -exec sed -i s/minetest/blokel/g {} and then some mv tricks would work in theory
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21:22 whtemple1959 hello room
21:22 jordan4ibanez Hello
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21:55 puhfa http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/ is down. is there a mirror or another pipeworks tutorial available?
21:55 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/wiki
21:55 VanessaE it's long since been moved
21:56 whtemple1959 ElectronLibre: you are mistaken there are 11- being those of us who understand it but have no clue as to how to use it.....
21:56 puhfa thank you
21:56 VanessaE yw
21:58 whtemple1959 now on to my question. I am using version 0.4.12-dev I have the animql mod loaded. but I can not find any instructions on how to populate my world. my son is sorely missing his chase buddies. can some one point me to the instructions on how to populate my world at start up?
22:01 VanessaE whtemple1959:  /mobf
22:01 VanessaE run that command and turn on "secondary spawning" in the menu
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22:02 VanessaE and turn on the various MOBs that you want
22:03 whtemple1959 VanessaE: Thank you for the input. I shall return
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22:52 Sokomine est31: i'm here
22:53 Sokomine est31: i see no reason why you would not be able to delete subareas - at least not as long as the subarea does not contain undeleted subareas of its own
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23:08 Jordach VanessaE, shots fired: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=14&amp;t=11355&amp;p=172213#p172213
23:10 Jordach file it under my direktory
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23:18 Megaf_ Hi everyone
23:19 Megaf_ Take a look!  https://github.com/dibyendumajum​dar/ravi/blob/master/README.rst
23:20 est31 who needs static typing?
23:20 est31 it bloats up your lang
23:20 Megaf_ It uses llvm
23:20 Megaf_ =/
23:21 Megaf_ That's good, isn't it?
23:21 est31 we have luaJIT
23:22 est31 but agree it needs something that is maintained
23:22 est31 I'm just a bit sad that c55 doesnt like v8
23:44 est31 this crash happened on 0.4.12 server: http://pastebin.com/gyEbAhJv
23:44 est31 only did //pos2

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