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00:00 est31 Sokomine, you online?
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00:11 Soni does minetest work on BSD?
00:11 est31 I think so
00:11 Soni ok
00:11 Soni osx is BSD right?
00:14 VanessaE it is BSD-based
00:14 VanessaE but it isn't "BSD" as such
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00:14 Soni ok
00:14 Soni shove LuaJIT and Lua 5.3 into the same minetest
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00:15 VanessaE just about as much as Android is Linux-based (kernel) but it isn't Linux, as such
00:15 est31 ??
00:15 est31 It is linux
00:15 est31 but it isnt Gnu/Linux
00:15 Soni (I mean, I can do it, why can't you?)
00:15 VanessaE Minetest uses lua 5.1 and luajit is not quite 5.2 anyway
00:15 est31 or Gnu+Linux as RMS calls it now
00:15 Soni https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/1277#issuecomment-76859912
00:15 VanessaE est31: well, not really.  I mean, it violates just about every convention of Linux there is :P
00:15 est31 VanessaE, why
00:15 Soni VanessaE, the idea is to add a "lua-version" tag to stuff
00:16 Soni that'd be used to select LuaJIT vs Lua 5.3
00:16 VanessaE est31: directory tree layouts, no shell by default, no multiuser (in the usual sense)...
00:17 VanessaE Soni: as a general rule, we don't want something that will fragment the modding community
00:17 VanessaE it has to be all one version-equivalent
00:18 VanessaE an upgrade to 5.2 is probably doable as long as there are suitable shims to handle stuff luajit doesn't know about
00:18 crazyR has anyone used the avgcolor.py script for the C++ mapper??
00:18 est31 android isn't the only distro thats not doing traditional directory tree. no shell is because you dont have a keyboard for touch devices. Android is multiuser. Its just disabled for phones.
00:18 VanessaE crazyR: I tried it once.  I don't recall it being particularly hard to use but I don't remember how to use it now
00:18 Soni VanessaE, ok so like
00:18 VanessaE est31: disabled on tablets too
00:18 Soni why don't you just shove the 2 together somehow?
00:18 VanessaE at least on older Android versions it was
00:19 est31 yes
00:19 VanessaE Soni: you can't just "shove" them together.
00:19 est31 VanessaE, newest android has multiuser
00:19 Soni VanessaE, it's called dlmopen
00:19 Soni might be a pain to sync stuff between them but w/e
00:19 crazyR VanessaE:ive got it running, but the only thing it keep printing out to shell is warning: cant find average color. seems to be taking along time too lol
00:19 crazyR just wanting to find out if thats normal
00:20 VanessaE crazyR: I'd say that's not normal ;)
00:20 est31 VanessaE, introduced by 4.2
00:20 VanessaE but I may be wrong
00:20 crazyR lol cheers
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00:20 VanessaE est31: right, but the linux kernel is multiuser already, has been since...forever
00:20 VanessaE another convention that android broke for no good reason
00:20 est31 also android always did multiuser
00:21 est31 it used multiuser for sandboxing
00:21 VanessaE in any case, it's linux-based, but it's not Linux. :)
00:21 est31 every app its own multiuser
00:21 est31 user*
00:21 VanessaE it's close enough I guess, but it ain't no Debian :)
00:22 est31 that principle always existed on servers, and it was quite bad to break it on traditional gnu/linux desktop
00:23 est31 or perhaps servers didnt have it always, but giving services on a server their own user is best practice now
00:23 est31 and giving applications their own user is becoming practice too
00:24 est31 per-application sandboxing just isn't possible with X11
00:24 * est31 looks forward for wayland
00:25 est31 but yes VanessaE its no Debian :). But Debian is also a bit more than just the kernel
00:29 Chanku Hey
00:31 VanessaE hi
00:46 Chanku Um...how do I install the latest version of minetest on debian?
00:46 est31 VanessaE, you know whether Sokomine maintains their mods?
00:46 est31 at least the markers mod
00:46 est31 because you have an open PR, from Nov 30
00:47 VanessaE yes, she does
00:47 VanessaE but she has to be poked from time to time also
00:47 est31 don't like too verbose logging
00:48 est31 every time sb opens a marker formspec (or admin stone), an entry in the log is generated. 3 lines
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00:48 est31 and it isn't even informative of any kind
00:48 est31 its just some debug stuff.
00:48 VanessaE it was probably just exactly that
00:49 VanessaE debug stuff that was never removed
00:49 est31 either it should be removed or made optional with default off
00:51 VanessaE I'd say remove it entirely (only a change in ownership need be logged)
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01:46 est31 VanessaE, could you update the areas mod on your servers?
01:46 VanessaE sure
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01:47 est31 great, patch from me landed there yesterday, and as it didn't autoupdate, I asked :)
01:49 VanessaE ok, it's staged.
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02:34 Chanku Hey
02:34 _schism_ question. other than the wiki is there an idiots guide to minetest?
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02:36 Chanku How can I install the latest minetest package (which would be 0.4.10) on debian?
02:42 est31 Chanku, latest minetest package is 0.4.12
02:43 Chanku Ik
02:43 est31 or, better, latest minetest is 0.4.12, and latest package is 0.4.11, sadly
02:44 Chanku However The latest version I can find on Debian, is 0.4.10
02:44 est31 yes because debian is in a freeze currently, and their packagers are a bit slow.
02:44 est31 they are informed though
02:44 est31 and experimental also has a 0.4.11 package I think
02:45 Chanku Ah
02:45 Chanku I was looking at sid.
02:45 est31 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-​bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778853
02:47 Chanku So how would I get the package from experimental?
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02:48 luizrpgluiz hi all
02:49 est31 Chanku, easiest is you install the ppa
02:49 est31 https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
02:50 Chanku isn't ppa for ubuntu?
02:50 est31 ubuntu == debian in this case
02:51 VanessaE a PPA is just the ubuntu term for someone's personal apt repo, that's all
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02:51 VanessaE it's still apt and deb packages
02:56 est31 and also it doesnt depend on ubuntu stuff
02:56 est31 so if you install it on debian, your computer won't explode :D
02:58 VanessaE usually, worst that will happen is that apt will warn you when a package (whether it's minetest or some other PPA/apt repo) can't be installed due to unsatisfied dependencies.
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03:59 Sokomine est31: yes? what's up?
04:00 est31 Sokomine, see my issue for your markers mod on github
04:01 est31 Sokomine, see now, sorry haven't created ut
04:01 est31 it*
04:01 Sokomine hmm. exiting formspecs?
04:01 Sokomine perhaps an issue with the global variable handling?
04:01 est31 dunno
04:02 est31 but doesnt appear with other mods
04:02 est31 only yours
04:03 est31 whats printed is like {
04:03 est31 quit = "true"
04:03 est31 }
04:03 Sokomine ah
04:05 Sokomine any more information? something right before/after that?
04:08 est31 Sokomine, no nothing
04:08 est31 but, there is other output too
04:08 est31 e.g. when you press ok buttons the output is like {
04:08 est31 quit = "true",
04:08 est31 abort = "OK"
04:08 est31 }
04:09 est31 pressing esc only has the quit line
04:09 est31 and when you exit a marker it also has a info = "This marker\
04:09 est31 can only be used by\
04:09 est31 aliwer9696, who\
04:09 est31 placed the markers.",
04:09 est31 was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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04:10 Sokomine ok. i'm checking
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04:30 Sokomine est31: are you running on a higher debug log level?
04:35 Sokomine est31: i can't reproduce it locally
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04:39 est31 there are log levels?
04:40 est31 it doesnt have any log level at all btw
04:40 est31 its just bare print() - style
04:42 Sokomine there are log levels, yes. hmm
04:42 Sokomine are you sure you do have the most current version?
04:42 Sokomine i'll need to fix something there anyway and will upload a new version soon (wiithin the hour)
04:42 est31 there is no ACTION[ServerThread]: before
04:42 est31 you should look at your PR's too
04:43 est31 Sokomine, I'm running version of Tue Jan 28 00:56:15 2014
04:43 est31 commit 2c9fe6cb869b1d7e753e734717b44b9efb4dce84
04:50 Sokomine of markers or of mt?
04:50 est31 markers are latest version, mt is at 0.4.12
04:50 est31 areas are current HEAD too
04:56 est31 ok, thats weird, I can't reproduce it in my local build too
05:02 est31 wow
05:02 est31 its not your mod, its the currency mod causing this
05:02 * est31 summons VanessaE
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05:03 est31 Still Sokomine could you consider to review the pull requests?
05:03 Sokomine strange
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05:10 est31 VanessaE, see my pull to your currency repo
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05:10 est31 https://github.com/VanessaE/currency/pull/2
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07:09 fireglow hi est31, hi Sokomine :)
07:13 est31 hi fireglow
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07:29 stormchaser3000 i just found a german ad on the general discussion section
07:29 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=11378
07:30 stormchaser3000 for shoes
07:32 stormchaser3000 and here is some more spam
07:32 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=11376
07:34 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=11377
07:35 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=11375
07:37 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=1137
07:38 Menche oh my, spams
07:39 * Menche wonders if stormchaser3000 still has something against #voxelands
07:39 est31 stormchaser3000, you might have copied a wrong url for the last topic
07:39 stormchaser3000 yeah oops
07:41 stormchaser3000 Menche: i would assume so.
07:41 Menche wut?
07:42 stormchaser3000 well voxelands is a lot harder to customize than minetest
07:43 stormchaser3000 or freeminer
07:43 stormchaser3000 at least sometimes
07:44 * stormchaser3000 looks at the latest voxelands source code
07:44 Menche can always make suggestions, we're just trying to be a game rather than a be-anything engine :)
07:45 est31 if it is easier to customize, then the main reason for the fork is gone
07:45 Menche ?
07:45 est31 Menche,  http://voxelands.com/about.html
07:46 est31 especially the text around the c55 quote
07:46 Menche I see nothing about ease of customization being a focus
07:47 est31 its quite the opposite
07:47 Menche ok...
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07:48 est31 the fact that minetest became moddable was the main reason because they forked off
07:48 est31 dunno why
07:48 Menche not really
07:48 stormchaser3000 est31: the minetest mossing api is complete crpa
07:48 stormchaser3000 modding*
07:48 stormchaser3000 and changes a lot
07:49 stormchaser3000 and the engine code is messy as crap
07:49 Menche it was forked because the leader (darkrose) didn't like how *everything* had become part of modding
07:49 Menche mainly
07:49 est31 so, thats exactly what I said
07:49 Menche no, it isn't
07:50 Menche she's okay with moddability; she just doesn't want to kick out all of the game content
07:50 Menche voxelands is it's own game, first and foremost. darkrose is not particularly against adding the capability to extend that game.
07:51 est31 its not kicked out its abstracted, to enable freedom
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07:53 est31 ah thats where darkrose disappeared
07:53 est31 wondered why she is listed as minetest contributor
07:53 Menche the two projects have different focuses. minetest focuses on being an engine on which any game can be built; voxelands focuses on being a game.
07:54 Menche there's still plenty of her code in minetest. I believe much of the basic formspec and nodebox work is hers.
07:55 est31 dont saying she shouldnt be listed
07:58 * stormchaser3000 decides to try to lear c++
07:58 stormchaser3000 learn*
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08:00 est31 hi alket
08:02 alket hi est31
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10:06 JamesTait Good morning all; happy "What If Cats and Dogs Had Opposable Thumbs?" Day! :-D
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12:02 Salbei Hi
12:04 Salbei VanessaE: I have an other error on pipeworks :)
12:04 Salbei http://pastebin.com/2d79Kbiq
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12:04 Salbei I use Protector Redo on my server. Maybe it make conflicts?
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12:22 crazyR the mapper keeps throwing this error: "Exception: Failed to open Database: IO error: world/map.db/LOCK: No such file or directory" even when minetest is stopped and nothing has the db open... what could cause a leveldb database to remain locked even when not in use
12:31 mazal Is there a way to let flowers multiplay ?
12:31 mazal multiply even
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13:17 luizrpgluiz hi all
13:18 alket hi
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13:39 Azhbark hello guys :)
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13:44 Azhbark i am new to minetest and have played around for some time :) but i have not seen any animals in the game.. is that right no animal in the game ?
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13:49 mobiker Azhbark: It depends on which server you are connected. is a proper or shared server ?
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13:49 Azhbark mobiker> it is in singleplayer
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13:51 ElectronLibre With default minetest_game, there are no mobs, so no animals.
13:53 mobiker Azhbark: I believe that you will need to install a mod that has animals available
13:53 mobiker Azhbark: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&t=629
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13:54 Azhbark yea i saw all the Mods and subgames, but did not know what to install
13:55 mobiker Azhbark: This may help you
13:55 mobiker Azhbark: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Installing_mods
13:57 Azhbark Thanks for the help ElectronLibre and mobiker... i will go do somw reading... thanks guys :)
13:57 Azhbark some*
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14:56 luizrpgluiz static_spawnpoint no longer works
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14:58 cd100 what is static_spawnpoint?
14:58 luizrpgluiz If this is set, players will always (re)spawn at the given position
14:58 cd100 thx
14:59 luizrpgluiz minetest.conf
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15:06 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Send Player HP when setHP (or a setHP caller) is called instead of looping and testing the state change. 64ff966 http://git.io/xoz8 (2015-03-03T16:06:04+01:00)
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15:34 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Send Breath packet on event, don't check it at each AsyncRunStep 7e56637 http://git.io/xoym (2015-03-03T16:33:20+01:00)
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16:07 luizrpgluiz codehero: hi
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16:39 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Remove unused m_wielded_item_not_sent 038d3a3 http://git.io/xKCu (2015-03-03T17:36:54+01:00)
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17:04 ShadowNinja crazyR: The world dir or the LevelDB dir doesn't exist.
17:04 ShadowNinja crazyR: (or your backend is set incorrectly in world.mt)
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17:29 btoohtpick What's the trick to run two minetestserver instance on same machine?
17:30 ElectronLibre Shell a : $./minetestserver --port 30000 etc... Shell b: $./minetestserver --port 30001
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18:12 RobbieF Hello
18:12 Krock hi
18:14 RobbieF Thinking about featuring Minetest on http://www.category5.tv
18:15 Krock Aah.I hate those crying zombies.
18:15 Krock that's a site like http://shafou.com/
18:15 RobbieF what's that? I don't have flash.
18:16 RobbieF No our site is a Tech TV network.
18:16 RobbieF LOL
18:16 RobbieF #category5 on here
18:16 Krock I know. jk
18:17 RobbieF :)
18:17 RobbieF Thought I'd pop into IRC since it's hard to tell who to reach out to for media relations... is there someone in development that would do an interview?...
18:18 Krock developement? #minetest-dev
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18:19 Krock Hi Calinou
18:19 Calinou Krock, hi
18:19 Calinou I saw the news about Gitorious being shut down
18:20 Calinou thankfully, folks around here are starting another free Git hosting place
18:20 Calinou (GitLab is at least partially proprietary)
18:20 Calinou I'll have to move before June 1st
18:21 Krock first mediacrush then gitorious
18:21 RobbieF Thanks Krock
18:21 Krock and then GitLab? I don't know
18:21 Calinou GitLab seems more profitable
18:21 Krock sadly, there aren't many services with a future
18:21 Calinou there is GitHub… *insert Jordach troll face here*
18:22 Krock you just could use GitHub or ... SVN?
18:22 Calinou SVN is way worse than Git, and there is no big hosting other than SourceForge (which sucks too)
18:22 Krock open your own Git server :P
18:23 Calinou costs money
18:25 Krock playing minetest costs money. depends on the price of a kWh
18:25 Calinou yeah, but my connection is too slow to self-host.
18:25 Calinou if I had optic fiber, I would self-host a lot of things, I believe.
18:25 Calinou right now, the only option is to rent a VPS
18:26 Calinou one that will also let me host game servers will cost me about 10 €/month
18:26 Calinou that's 120 € per year :(
18:27 Krock at least they don't want a 13th monthly wage
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18:39 Calinou https://notabug.org/
18:39 Calinou check out this for now
18:41 Krock that's git.
18:41 Krock looks kinda new
18:43 exio4 Calinou: you can get a kimsufi dedi (or online.net) for like half of that
18:44 Calinou Krock, it uses Gogs <http://gogs.io>
18:44 Calinou a Git service written in Go
18:44 exio4 lol Go
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18:44 exio4 the joke programming language
18:44 marktraceur You say that like there's only one
18:45 marktraceur Or like Go is the best example
18:45 Krock looks like python and java mixed thogether
18:45 marktraceur But come on. Whitespace? Brainfuck? Befunge?
18:46 marktraceur Perligata?
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18:46 marktraceur Actually Perligata is kind of awesome.
18:46 exio4 Krock: it's type system is even more limited Java's
18:46 exio4 "because it's simple" they said
18:47 marktraceur http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~da​mian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html/
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21:39 whtemple1959 hello room
21:39 ElectronLibre Hello.
21:39 shadowzone Hello
21:39 whtemple1959 miner_48er: I have come seeking your wisdom
21:40 Jordach everyone to the shelters
21:40 * shadowzone hides under a cat
21:40 shadowzone wait.. is this sfan5?
21:40 Jordach meow
21:41 * ElectronLibre try to make his place into the shelter.
21:41 ElectronLibre No shadowzone apparently you sat on Jordach's tail.
21:42 shadowzone XD
21:42 * Jordach looks at his kitten mod
21:43 * ElectronLibre remembers he must tell Jordach that we solved the overspawning problem on MinetestForFun's server about his kittens.
21:43 Jordach ElectronLibre, ooh
21:43 ElectronLibre Now they spawn correctly :).
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21:49 Miner_48er whtemple1959 what is your question?
21:49 ElectronLibre He is gone.
21:50 Jordach people these days
21:50 Jordach impatient :P
21:50 shadowzone It's so cold outside, I actually saw a gangster pull his pants up.
21:50 ElectronLibre shadowzone, so it must be very cold.
21:50 Jordach is this the ghetto?
21:51 Jordach might start seeing tumbleweaves
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21:51 shadowzone Jordach: go I hope not
21:51 shadowzone *god
21:51 Jordach shadowzone, two girls enter: one weaves
21:51 shadowzone o.O
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