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01:36	cheapie	est31: Hi.
01:40	est31	Hi cheapie
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02:25	Drae	Hey
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02:59	Enke	VanessaE: Is something up with inchra? I can't seem to connect at all.
02:59	VanessaE	irc.inchra.net
03:00	VanessaE	osiris is down
03:01	VanessaE	my server machine is down, more specifically. hardware probs
03:02	VanessaE	so minetest instances, dac.com stuff, irc, etc etc... it'll be back soon though
03:03	Enke	Okay.
03:03	Enke	Just wonderin
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03:23	OldCoder	rickmcfarley, I have no plans to visit Florida in the short term though this could change
03:24	OldCoder	Texas is more likely
03:24	OldCoder	What is more of an issue is that he or others will join IRC as 0ldcoder
03:24	OldCoder	Note the 0 as opposed to the O
03:25	VanessaE	easily solved - use nickserv to group that nick now while you're thinking about it.
03:41	rickmcfarley	Yeah Florida seems nice now. I'm in New Hampshire
03:47	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Biome API: Re-calculate biome at every surface in a mapchunk column 14f7df9 http://git.io/Ap8E (2015-02-26T03:35:25Z)
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07:14	hmmmm	http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site
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09:51	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy For Peteâ€™s Sake Day! :-D
09:52	ElectronLibre	It's just me or every days are <something> day? ._.
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10:48	whtemple1959	hello room, I am looking for ver 4.12 for Linux but seem to be misdirected from the download page. can any one point me inthe right direction?
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11:27	msantana	whtemple1959: which linux distribution do you use?
11:38	msantana	whtemple1959: anyway http://www.minetest.net/download#linux
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11:41	whtemple1959	msantana: I use mint 17 and the links on those pages go to vers 4.10 not 4.12
11:55	msantana	whtemple1959: I understand, but do you really need the latest version?
11:56	ElectronLibre	Having the latest version is important.
11:57	whtemple1959	msantana: I am exploring this game and one of the mods requires vers 4.12 as a new guy to Liux I am having trouble reconciling why there is a win vers 4.12 but not a Linux vers 4.12. seems to me the OS community would support Linux first and win tertiary
11:57	ElectronLibre	The devs themselves advise to upgrade quickly, especially because there will probably be a protocol break in the next release and servers needs to send special informations to masterserver (public servers) to avoid incompatibility with future clients.
11:58	ElectronLibre	If there is no way you can get 0.4.12 binaries for you distribution... you have to compile it by yourself.
12:02	ElectronLibre	Try this => http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest#Compiling_on_GNU.2FLinux
12:04	msantana	ElectronLibre: Thanks for your information. I didn't know that was so important to use the latest version.
12:04	whtemple1959	ElectronLibre: you will laugh and mumble many things but I have ratrely been successful at compliing anything so I try to stay away from that task. the question remains though why does the OpenSource community seem to be more interested in supporting windows rather than Linux?
12:06	ElectronLibre	I think it's maybe because they compile more often and simply on Linux, it doesn't bother them. But on Windows, compiling is like hell, so the binaries are given on minetest.net .
12:07	msantana	whtemple1959: The packaging maintenance is a task supported by distributions not by minetest or other application
12:07	ElectronLibre	But if you're bothered by compiling, there are scripts very well made to do this automatically.
12:08	ElectronLibre	^ Yes and there is also what msantana says.
12:08	whtemple1959	ElectronLibre: to be honest this is only the beginning of my many questions. but you statement bring up the basic issue of Linux "coders" and their arogance at not considering those of use who cannot programm but desire a better option than windows
12:09	whtemple1959	EL & Msantana: but then as an accountant I do tend to see the world in black and red
12:14	whtemple1959	msantana &EL I have to get ready to take my son to school I will be back later...I have so many questions
12:15	ElectronLibre	Ok no problem, we are here to answer them as well as we can.
12:17	whtemple1959	EL: I will be back at 9am est
12:20	msantana	whtemple1959: see you later :)
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14:11	ipv6b	How many users should be able to run smoothly on a minetest server on an Ubuntu-server-edition 14.04 with 256MB of ram?(IPv6+IPv4 supported) [if tweaked correctly]
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14:23	Jordach	i've had 7 on 128mb
14:24	Jordach	but it crashes too often
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15:53	zat	http://laughingsquid.com/an-ancient-babylonian-customer-service-complaint-inscribed-on-a-clay-tablet-around-1750-bc/
15:55	VanessaE	ElectronLibre: yes, every day is a "happy <something> day" with JamesTait. :) He gets them from some website I think he said. It's a fixture of this channel :)
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15:55	VanessaE	good morning.
15:56	JamesTait	VanessaE! Hi!
15:56	VanessaE	hey James :)
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16:05	JamesTait	VanessaE, ElectronLibre: daysoftheyear.com - although sometimes I come up with them myself, or use officially-recognised days too.
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16:06	ElectronLibre	Thanks for the link, it will be funny to discover these days x).
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16:17	JamesTait	ElectronLibre, it's just a bit of harmless nonsense, really. :) I stopped doing it for a while, but people said they missed it.
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16:19	VanessaE	JamesTait: we do miss it :)
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16:24	Neolink2	i have a client crash v0.4.11 and 0.4.12
16:24	VanessaE	got a crashdump or backtrace?
16:26	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1
16:26	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
16:26	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Using renderer: OpenGL 2.0.5698
16:26	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: RADEON XPRESS 200M Series SW TCL x86/SSE2: ATI Technologies Inc.
16:26	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
16:26	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: GLSL version: 1.1
16:26	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Resizing window (800 600)
16:26		Neolink2 was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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16:26	VanessaE	Neolink2: use a pastebin, like the bot said.
16:26	ElectronLibre	Trying to paste the whole debug.txt file always get the bot angry at you :).
16:26	Neolink2	I/m sorry
16:27	Neolink2	2 last report is invalid
16:27	VanessaE	Neolink2: anyway, go to a pastebin and put the debug.txt there if it has crash messages in it.
16:27	VanessaE	then give us the link to it
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16:28	Neolink2	I run the game, press any button and the game breaks.
16:29	Neolink2	whithout any reported
16:29	VanessaE	we still need the debug.txt on a pastebin
16:29	VanessaE	or the output from the terminal/console that the game launched when it started
16:30	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1
16:30	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
16:30	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Using renderer: OpenGL 2.0.5698
16:30	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: RADEON XPRESS 200M Series SW TCL x86/SSE2: ATI Technologies Inc.
16:30	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
16:30	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: GLSL version: 1.1
16:30	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Resizing window (800 600)
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16:30	Neolink2	that's all
16:30	ElectronLibre	https://pastebin.ubuntu.com <= paste the last lines in that, you don't need to send the whole file, just the end.
16:31	ElectronLibre	That's all? 7 lines?
16:31	Neolink2	yes
16:33	ElectronLibre	Ok... ._. You're using Windows right?
16:33	Neolink2	yes
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16:33	ElectronLibre	Are you using 0.4.12 release?
16:33	Neolink2	v.0.4.9 and 0.4.10 work well.
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16:34	ElectronLibre	Yes but are these lines from 0.4.12?
16:35	Neolink2	yes
16:35	Neolink2	And it in 0.4.11
16:36	VanessaE	if you were running 0.4.12, there should have been a "mini crash dump" somewhere
16:36	ElectronLibre	VanessaE: Please help me I have no idea about what happened to him ._.
16:36	VanessaE	either in youre debug.txt or in a separate file
16:37	VanessaE	open your debug.txt in a good text editor (something that can handle hundreds-of-megabyte files, just in case), and pastebin the last 100 lines
16:37	VanessaE	there's no way that there was only 7 lines written to it
16:38	VanessaE	your*
16:39	Neolink2	The whole file is composed of repetitive messages.
16:41	VanessaE	that's fine
16:41	VanessaE	just give us the last 100 lines
16:41	VanessaE	int he pastebin
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16:45	Neolink2	where can i upload this file?
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16:51	Neolink2	http://rusfolder.com/43079479 0,4.11
16:51	CaveJohnson	Neolink2: https://gist.github.com
16:51	CaveJohnson	oh sheesh please use gist... not that ;-;
16:51	Neolink2	http://rusfolder.com/43079481 0,4.12
16:51	CaveJohnson	hi Calinou ;)
16:52	CaveJohnson	*:)
16:53	Calinou	hi
16:53	VanessaE	Neolink2: please use an english pastebin.
16:53	VanessaE	not something that demands us to "download" the paste
16:54	CaveJohnson	yeah not really a pastebin at all, just a file sharing site
16:54	VanessaE	https://gist.github.com or pastebin.com or pastebin.ubuntu.com
16:56	Neolink2	https://gist.github.com/anonymous/05158c6aa78abfb4b239
16:56	ElectronLibre	O_o
16:56	ElectronLibre	Ok, so indeed, only seven lines.
16:57	VanessaE	Neolink2: please look at the dump file it points to
16:57	VanessaE	is it in binary or text?
16:57	Neolink2	2 last lines turned out because of lack of memory.
16:57	VanessaE	it should be in the same directory as the debug.txt
16:58	VanessaE	lack of memory??
16:58	VanessaE	what subgame are you playing?
16:58	VanessaE	(minetest_game, dreambuilder, carbone, BFD, ...?)
16:58	Neolink2	C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12\bin\minetest.exe
16:59	Neolink2	i mean i have a little memory
16:59	VanessaE	that's the engine. I meant the subgame i.e. what's in C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12\games
16:59	VanessaE	how much memory do you have?
17:01	Neolink2	500 Mb
17:01	VanessaE	Ok, try this: open C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12\minetest.conf in notepad or so, go to the end of the file and add: enable_mesh_cache = false save the file and run the engine/game again.
17:02	Neolink2	i have not a mineyest.conf
17:02	VanessaE	find it.
17:02	VanessaE	well, no
17:02	Neolink2	only minetest.conf.example
17:02	VanessaE	it may not have been created.
17:02	VanessaE	make a new one.
17:02	VanessaE	create a new file, C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12\minetest.conf
17:03	VanessaE	add that one option to it, enable_mesh_cache = false
17:03	VanessaE	save the file
17:03	VanessaE	run the engine/game again
17:05	Neolink2	-------------
17:05	Neolink2	Separator
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17:05	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1
17:05	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
17:05	Neolink2	Irrlicht log: Using renderer: OpenGL 2.0.5698
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17:05	Calinou	Windows XP is not supported, Neolink2
17:05	Neolink2	i don't belive u
17:07	ElectronLibre	RIP XP.
17:07	Calinou	well, Microsoft says it is not supported since April 2014
17:08	VanessaE	officially, minetest supports it though
17:08	Neolink2	I from Russia
17:08	VanessaE	but Windows XP has been at end-of-life since last year
17:08	Neolink2	We only use pirated copies and never let them update
17:08	VanessaE	meanwhile, 512MB of RAM is insufficient.
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17:08	VanessaE	so then switch to something other than Windows that you don't have to pirate.
17:09	VanessaE	we will not help you with your OS.
17:09	VanessaE	but we can try to help with Minetest maybe.
17:09	VanessaE	now about the configuration change I gave you, did it help at all?
17:09	Neolink2	No
17:09	VanessaE	still out of memory?
17:12	VanessaE	Neolink2: more timely answers are required.
17:12	VanessaE	Also which minetest build are you using?
17:12	VanessaE	there are four on the website.
17:12	VanessaE	http://minetest.net/download
17:12	Neolink2	Memory missing. After all, there is still file swap
17:13	Neolink2	I use recomended build
17:13	VanessaE	which is?
17:13	VanessaE	there are two "recommended" builds.
17:14	VanessaE	as for swap, that only works if no single program tries to allocate more memory than you have physical RAM.
17:14	rubenwardy	Linux might free up some more RAM#
17:15	Calinou	wrong, rubenwardy
17:15	Calinou	except if you use really lightweight distribution
17:15	Calinou	XP uses almost no RAM
17:15	rubenwardy	Yeah, I did mean that
17:15	rubenwardy	Really?
17:15	Calinou	yep
17:15	Calinou	it can function with 256 MB of RAM
17:15	rubenwardy	Impressive
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17:15	Neolink2	andMSVC builds
17:16	Calinou	try that with Lubuntu or such
17:16	Neolink2	And this line on a lable
17:16	VanessaE	Neolink2: you tried all four of the builds listed there?
17:16	Neolink2	http://hostingkartinok.com/show-image.php?id=c19bb99f06b508476cfd57c2b15e8d10
17:17	VanessaE	that looks like a corrupted copy to me
17:17	Neolink2	I had tried 2 build i have x86
17:17	exio4	Calinou: I've used debian+kde3 with 196mb of ram, and debian+xfce with 256mb without (more than XP) problems here
17:17	VanessaE	it's no wonder it doesn't run
17:17	VanessaE	Neolink2: you got bigger problems
17:18	VanessaE	minetest only uses 60 or so megs at startup
17:18	VanessaE	if you can't even run the menu without corruption, there's something wrong with the copy you downloaded
17:18	VanessaE	you are using a pirated OS
17:18	VanessaE	sorry, Neolink2. you're fucked.
17:19	rubenwardy	Get a new computer, basically.
17:19	Calinou	might be too old graphics card too
17:19	VanessaE	Calinou: too old to display a PNG image?
17:19	VanessaE	I doubt it
17:20	VanessaE	(besides, that would have thrown an irrlicht error at least)
17:20	VanessaE	(I mean when trying to create a directx visual)
17:20	rubenwardy	Maybe try software rendering? Would that make a difference?
17:21	VanessaE	rubenwardy: not in the main menu?
17:21	rubenwardy	The main menu still does 3D rendering
17:21	rubenwardy	Clouds
17:21	VanessaE	for the clouds yeah
17:21	VanessaE	but that doesn't explain the header image being corrupted
17:21	rubenwardy	True
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17:29	Neolink2	well i'ii play on the 0.4.10
17:31	Krock	Neolink2, I use Windows XP aswell - no problems here
17:31	ElectronLibre	(But are you using a pirated copy?)
17:32	VanessaE	Neolink2: 0.4.10 is obsolete, many servers very soon won't let you connect
17:32	Krock	ElectronLibre, I used WPAkill
17:32	VanessaE	three of mine for example
17:32	Neolink2	I from Russia
17:32	VanessaE	I don't care if you're from Cucamonga.
17:32	VanessaE	Pirating windows is stupid.
17:33	VanessaE	use a free OS, or pay for a proper one, or gtfo
17:33	Calinou	â€œpiratingâ€
17:33	VanessaE	there's no excuse to pirate windows.
17:33	Calinou	Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as â€œpiracy.â€ In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)
17:33	Calinou	If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word â€œpiracyâ€ to describe it. Neutral terms such as â€œunauthorized copyingâ€ (or â€œprohibited copyingâ€ for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as â€œsharing information with your neighbor.â€
17:33	ElectronLibre	There is no use to pirate windows.
17:33	Krock	holy text
17:33	Krock	Neolink2, are you using the newest video driver? What's the output in your debug.txt with a log level of 3 or 4?
17:34	Neolink2	Krock: no
17:34	VanessaE	I don't even care about the copyright infringement as XP is abandonware now, but the fact that he chooses to pirate it instead of going with a good quality free OS is where I have the problem.
17:35	Neolink2	Kray: what is level 3...?
17:35	VanessaE	debug_log_level = 4
17:35	VanessaE	in minetest.conf
17:35	Krock	tab error - level 3 is # 0 = none, 1 = errors and debug, 2 = action, 3 = info, 4 = verbose.
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17:36	Krock	level 4 vould bemore useful in this case
17:37	Neolink2	2
17:37	VanessaE	Calinou: also, the argument about piracy != copyright infringement is not useful here. We all know thew two are not equivalent, but making that argument here and how just diverts from the discussion.
17:37	VanessaE	-w
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17:46	VanessaE	...which just died anyway.
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18:07	ipv6b	I guess I'm not losing anything on buying that server space where I'll have 256MB of ram with 14.04 to run latest vanilla Minetests on...and if it doesn't work out I could use it for something different
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18:31	VanessaE	~seen PilzAdam
18:31	ShadowBot	VanessaE: I saw PilzAdam in #minetest 22 hours, 37 minutes, and 23 seconds ago saying "rubenwardy, ah, I see, google finally added that "share on IRC" feature"
18:31	VanessaE	~tell PilzAdam "carts bug, http://pastebin.com/GpL6qJX5"
18:31	ShadowBot	VanessaE: O.K.
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18:34	LazyJ	How does Minetest's cache handle nodes from different versions of the same mod from different servers, i.e. one server has an old version of the mod where the node uses nodeboxes and another server uses the newer version that uses mesh nodes? Is a new file created in the cache for each or is the existing file over written each time when joining the other servers?
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18:39	farfadet46	hi (bonsoir)
18:40	VanessaE	hi.
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18:41	farfadet46	there is no new ?
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18:43	VanessaE	no new what?
18:43	farfadet46	sorry for minetest 0.5 ;)
18:44	VanessaE	LazyJ: the cache only keeps images and I think .obj etc models and yeah, it differentiates from one mod version to another by way of hashing the files
18:44	VanessaE	farfadet46: 0.5 is coming sometime or another soon, meanwhile 0.4.12 is out.
18:45	farfadet46	yep i aldready have the 0.4.12 ;)
18:45	farfadet46	it's nrz who as speak to me the future 0.5 out
18:46	farfadet46	(sorry for my bad English)
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18:48	VanessaE	he's working on the network protocol but I have no idea of the timeline for it because he hasn't been around when I am lately.
18:48	farfadet46	ok no problem ;)
18:49	farfadet46	i'm a french teacher for children age 7-12 year old
18:49	farfadet46	and i think the exe in the bin folder isn't easy for him
18:50	VanessaE	when I was 12 I was already coding
18:50	farfadet46	have you an idea to make it easier ?
18:50	VanessaE	your kids are smarter than you think. if you're a teacher, teach them.
18:51	VanessaE	the trick of course is breaking through their resistance to learning. you know, "this is stupid!" "why do I have to do it THAT way" etc etc even when it isn't stupid.
18:51	VanessaE	they all think their tablets/phones are the pinnacle of computing.
18:52	farfadet46	yes you are right !
18:53	LazyJ	Ok, thanks, VanessaE ;)
18:53	farfadet46	in my contry ( poor french city ) the parent are allergic to computer :(
18:53	farfadet46	country*
18:54	VanessaE	farfadet46: it's the same in the US
18:54	VanessaE	parents are lazy when it comes to computers
18:54	farfadet46	yes and i try my best to the parent to clear her idea about the computer
18:54	VanessaE	(I recognize that people have limited time, but I also recognize when people are just fucking lazy about it)
18:55	farfadet46	but the media are not our friend about computer
18:55	VanessaE	the media aren't our friends about anything :)
18:55	farfadet46	Yes ;)
18:55	farfadet46	ok i need to go ...
18:56	farfadet46	bye and thank for your time :)
18:56	VanessaE	ok, see you later then. good luck with your students
18:56	farfadet46	thanks
18:56	farfadet46	and you do nice mods ;) thanks for all that :)
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19:56	farfadet46	hi
19:57	farfadet46	there is a version of minetest for raspberry pi ?
19:58	sfan5	you can compile minetest on the raspberry pi, it will be slow however
19:59	farfadet46	yep i understand :(
20:02	farfadet46	Do you know minecraftedu? does a minetest version?
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20:04	farfadet46	i think Quest framework is a real good idea ! ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11265 )
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20:13	farfadet46	but i can't use it :(
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20:33	ripdisk	hey guys i'm trying to set up a server, i installed minetest with apt-get and stuff on debian, but i can't seem to find where it freakin' went for the life of me....could somebody help me with that, or maybe give me a direct link to a .tar i can wget and make myself
20:38	farfadet46	sorry i'm on windows :/
20:42	Miner_48er	ripdisk https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt
20:43	ripdisk	yeah see
20:44	ripdisk	i already read that a million times or i wouldn't have joined here
20:44	ripdisk	lol
20:44	ripdisk	so, i had to do apt-get as root
20:44	ripdisk	so there is none of those directories
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20:44	ripdisk	not a single directory mentioned in any of your help files is contained on my system after instaliing it with apt
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20:48	whtemple1959	hello room, I am looking for the address to the debian based repository for the server
20:52	Miner_48er	ripdisk whtemple1959 You could compile it form source https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L102
20:56	ripdisk	Miner_48er: why doesn't the url for the master.tar.gz work?
20:59	Miner_48er	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/archive/master.tar.gz
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21:01	ripdisk	dude
21:01	ripdisk	is there a single tar that i can download that includes everything i need to compile in one place to run a server
21:02	ripdisk	just one
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21:04	Miner_48er	ripdisk what's the problem? Have you read the compiling instructions?
21:07	ripdisk	yeah i guess i'm just retarded
21:07	ripdisk	i've compiled like thousands of things but somehow this is super super confusing
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21:08	whtemple1959	Miner: it was bad enough that when I tried to install dpkg minetest... from the cl iI got dependency errors I have no desire to sufferthrought he confusion of compiling, but thank you for stepping up with some advice
21:10	Miner_48er	whtemple1959 did you install all of the dependencies in the readme?
21:11	ripdisk	uh
21:12	ripdisk	so now i need sqlite
21:12	ripdisk	eugh
21:12	ripdisk	can't i just make it use mysql
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21:13	whtemple1959	Miner: I am sorry but the deb file I downloaded did not come with a redme. but on a side note if a person is going to the trouble to create a deb file why would they choose to leave out dependencies? that is sort of building a car and leaving out the transmission don't ya think?
21:14	Miner_48er	where did you download the deb file from?
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21:16	ripdisk	yeah
21:16	ripdisk	i have no idea what's going on. i"Ve never touched sqllite
21:16	ripdisk	it's installed, but when i try to cmake it's just not working
21:18	LazyJ	I'm trying out this new F8 "cinematic view" but I can't figure out what is supposed to be different. What is it supposed to do?
21:18	Miner_48er	ripdisk error?
21:22	LazyJ	ripdisk, download the engine and game from GitHub either as clones or as zip files. Then use the README's "sudo apt-get" line that includes all the dependencies. After that run the cmake with the server build option instead of the client.
21:22	LazyJ	The cmake build options are listed in the README too.
21:27	LazyJ	Hm. So far the cinematic view make the display lag behind the mouse movement. This is supposed to be an improvement?
21:32	whtemple1959	Miner: https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/minetest/download
21:35	ripdisk	LazyJ: , i just did all that.
21:35	ripdisk	same errors.
21:36	LazyJ	Hmm...
21:36	LazyJ	Scrolling back through the chat.... You said you couldn't find Minetest?
21:38	LazyJ	I use the zip files. After extracting, rename "minetest-master" and "minetest_game-master" to just "minetest" and "minetest_game". Then move "minetest_game" into the /minetest/games/ directory.
21:39	LazyJ	Then I go back to the /minetest directory and open a terminal there.
21:40	LazyJ	In the terminal I do the "sudo apt-get <stuff>" to make sure my dependencies are up-to-date.
21:40	LazyJ	Then I run this cmake for client* build:
21:40	LazyJ	cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=ON -DENABLE_CURL=ON -DBUILD_CLIENT=1 -DENABLE_GLES=1 -DENABLE_SOUND=ON -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1
21:41	LazyJ	The "-DENABLE_LEVELDB=1" won't work if you don't have LevelDB installed.
21:42	LazyJ	"-DBUILD_SERVER=1" is what to use for a server setup instead of "-DBUILD_CLIENT=1".
21:43	LazyJ	The "-DRUN_IN_PLAC=1" will build Minetest in that directory and not spread it out in various places in your system.
21:44	LazyJ	No "/usr/share/some_parts_here", no "./hidden_folder_of_minetest",... everything stays together with RUN_IN_PLACE making it easier to keep an eye on Minetest things.
21:45	LazyJ	Ok, done typing that wall-o-text. ;)-
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21:48	Miner_48er	rapdisk did LazyJ help?
21:48	Miner_48er	*ripdisk
21:48	Miner_48er	ripdisk
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21:57	EricTest	Hello
21:57	whtemple1959	hello room, could any one please tell me the address for the repository for minetest-server?
21:59	EricTest	Does lua 5.3 work for minetest?
22:00	rom1504	whtemple1959: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=minetest
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22:22	whtemple1959	rom1504: like I did not think of that...would you like to tell me which of those hits are actually a repository? because I have been to 7 yes count them 7 of the returns and found no "REPOSITORY"
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23:00	whtemple1959	rom1504: do you have a solution to my quandry?
23:02	whtemple1959	well let's see is there any one in this room willing to help a new guy out with a server install quandry?
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23:07	LazyJ	whtemple1959, this is the link to Minetest and minetest_game's GitHub repository:
23:07	LazyJ	http://github.com/minetest
23:08	LazyJ	Scoll-up in the chat and you'll see the brief instructions I posted for ripdisk_.
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23:08	whtemple1959	LadyJ: I am sorry I am so knew I must be blind I have been to this site and have not seena repository that I can put into my sources.list to install the server from
23:10	LazyJ	This isn't an apt or yum repository. You have to compile it from the source code.
23:10	Miner_48er	whtemple1959 ^
23:10	LazyJ	Minetest isn't in all linux distributions' repositories and several of those that do have it are out-of-date.
23:11	VanessaE	whtemple1959: if you can't spell "new" and figure out the difference between a git repository and an apt repository, I'm not sure you are ready to run a server.
23:11	whtemple1959	LazyJ: sorry chubby fingers...that is why I hate command line procedures... I ahve gone back to here https://packages.debian.org/sid/minetest-server and although it will take all night to insure all dependencies are met I will work through them all and then install the server
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23:11	whtemple1959	Vanessa: yea your right
23:12	VanessaE	whtemple1959: just follow the README, from this spot: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L102
23:12	VanessaE	it's just copy&paste.
23:12	LazyJ	There is also a "sticky" post or two on forum.minetest.net -> "Servers" forum that will contain more bits of info.
23:12	VanessaE	except that someone wasn't paying attention to line lengths in that doc, so make sure that line 106 is copied in full
23:16	whtemple1959	VanessaE: I just wanted to enjoy a common game with my son without him sitting in my lap and silly me thought that putting a mintest server on my file server so he and I could play together on cold winter days was a good idea. of cours as always Linux throws too many curves for this old dog to understand
23:18	VanessaE	you don't need to compile the server for that
23:19	VanessaE	you can use the client to launch a local server also
23:19	est31	compiling the server is only neccessary if you need to execute it on a box that doesn't have Xorg dependencies installed
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23:23	LazyJ	Start Minetest as usual on your strongest computer, then click on the "Server" tab, select the world you wish to run (you might have to start one first in client mode if you don't have one already), fill in your player name and password in the appropriate fields (to the left), then click on the "Start Game" button.
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23:23	whtemple1959	VanessaE: please do not laugh. I did try that from the start but our old broken down PCs just could not handle running a server and a client at the same time. I do hope that Santa will be able to bring us newer PCs for Yule.. if I were a character i the game you would see me banging my head aganst some blocks.
23:24	VanessaE	whtemple1959: then you did it wrong :) because that's exactly how Minetest already runs in "singleplayer" mode.
23:25	VanessaE	when you launch the client, go to the "server" tab and plug in a username and password for yourself to use as the admin, give a port number to run the server on. select a world to run, click "start game".
23:25	LazyJ	From that point start Minetest on another computer that is connected to your home network. On that computer go to the "Client" tab, enter a different playername and password then in the "Address" field enter "localhost" and the Port should be 30000 (default).
23:25	VanessaE	tell your kid to connect to your machine's LAN IP at that port
23:25	VanessaE	tell him to sign in with his own name and a password you two can remember.
23:25	VanessaE	done.
23:27	whtemple1959	VanessaE: it does not surprise me...in the least. let me step away and re-attempt to make it work I will take notes and come back. Thank you VanessaE and LazyJ...to be continued.
23:27	LazyJ	Good luck ;)
23:28	LazyJ	Ah, crud.
23:28	LazyJ	Not "localhost" but the IP of the computer you want to connect to.
23:29	LazyJ	"localhost" is for testing two Minetests running on the same machine (useful for testing mods in a server setup).
23:30	LazyJ	whtemple1959, it will take several tries to get things figured out. Minetest is a bit convoluted.
23:31	LazyJ	and too sparce in the useful documentation department for most of us.
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23:40	iio7	I have compiled to different minetest 0.4.12 server on two different boxes, in both cases when users connect there is no TNT.
23:41	iio7	I have tested with vanilla, is this a known issue?
23:44	LazyJ	iio7, try enabling TNT in your minetest.conf. From the /minetest/game/minetest_game/minetest.conf.example (different from the engine's "minetest.conf.example"):
23:44	est31	TNT is disabled by default iio7
23:44	LazyJ	# Whether the TNT mod should be enabled
23:44	LazyJ	#enable_tnt = <true in singleplayer, false in multiplayer>
23:44	est31	so turn off minetest edit the file LazyJ mentioned and start minetest again
23:45	iio7	Ah, of course, thank you very much!
23:45	LazyJ	yw ;)
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