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00:11 hmmmm iio7, sounds like you should update minetest_game
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01:43 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: mapgen.lua: Add dirt/sand/gravel blob ores for mgv5/mgv7 3b526a7 http://git.io/AEFh (2015-02-22T01:34:35Z)
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03:16 Greycoat Okay, I have a fork of Technic at https://github.com/BluebirdGreycoat/technic
03:16 Greycoat New features:
03:16 Greycoat 1) HV furnace
03:16 Greycoat 2) Control logic units can be configured to send a variable number of items per "tick".
03:17 Greycoat I'm looking for opinions on the code before submitting a pull request.
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09:09 * Calinou is doing 3d_armor modpack update to Carbone
09:09 Calinou OptiPNG'ing all the textures
09:09 Calinou most have 40-50 % decrease
09:15 Calinou https://github.com/Calinou/minetest-3d_armor/c​ommit/d95f494a94d6d1b24b62d2bd8aaf99c0611b3a8c
09:15 Calinou heh, thanks
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10:04 rubenwardy Hi all!
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10:56 wow Hello!
10:56 wow I will like to know how to play this minetest. I am new to the game
10:56 wow I have installed it on a Fedora 21 machine
10:56 wow Thanks!
11:01 rubenwardy How far have you got?
11:02 Calinou wow, http://wiki.minetest.net/Getting_started
11:02 rubenwardy !wiki Tutorial
11:02 MinetestBot No such page.
11:02 rubenwardy !wiki Tutorial_Game
11:02 MinetestBot No such page.
11:02 rubenwardy !wiki Tutorial_game
11:02 Calinou also try the Tutorial subgame
11:02 rubenwardy :S
11:02 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.net/Games/Tutorial
11:02 rubenwardy http://home.rubenwardy.com:5000/chapters/lua.html
11:02 rubenwardy Any suggestions?
11:02 Calinou rubenwardy, in your modding guide, you could add an “image optimization” part
11:03 Calinou using OptiPNG, add an example command to optimize all textures
11:03 Calinou saves a lot of space with most textures (20-50 %)
11:03 Calinou also I can't connect to your page
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11:04 rubenwardy Try now
11:04 rubenwardy I was hosting on 127.0.0.1 not 0.0.0.0
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11:09 wow Thanks Calinou. That was helpful
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11:22 Birdy_ anyone here
11:23 Krock nope, everyone's gone
11:23 TheBonsai including me
11:23 Krock yeah, by "everyone" is each person and bot meant
11:24 Birdy_ didnt think people would actaully respond
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11:25 Birdy_ im just going to state this ok. please don't be shallow
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11:29 rubenwardy :S http://home.rubenwardy.com:5000/​chapters/lua.html#coding-in-lua
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11:29 rubenwardy Hi Zeno`!
11:30 Zeno` hi!
11:31 rubenwardy Working on this: http://home.rubenwardy.com:5000/​chapters/lua.html#coding-in-lua
11:31 rubenwardy But, meh
11:31 Zeno` It looks good to me
11:32 Zeno` good idea
11:33 Zeno` I use kate myself
11:34 rubenwardy I used to, but I moved to XFCE
11:34 rubenwardy or whatever it is called
11:34 Zeno` errr... xfce is not an editor :D
11:35 rubenwardy Doesn't Kate require KDE?
11:35 Zeno` it requires kdelibs, yeah
11:35 Zeno` hmm... maybe not. Maybe only Qt
11:35 Zeno` not really sure
11:39 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tQfcEfifJg
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11:40 Zeno` we should have a party! :D
11:40 rubenwardy Yay?
11:40 Zeno` yay!
11:40 * Zeno` sets up the disco
11:41 Zeno` this'll be awesome
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11:43 Nihao Hello, I need your help once more. I am discovering "pipeworks" and would like to know about the way the different pipes are supposed to work. The README says to go to "http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/", but my browser thinks there is nothing at that address....
11:44 Zeno` who is supplying the drinks?
11:44 Nihao Mainly, I am interested in two points for the moment: Why does "one way tube" transport in either direction? And what is the logics to configure the sorting tube?
11:45 rubenwardy_ There isn't any there
11:45 rubenwardy_ https://github.com/vanessae/pipeworks/wiki
11:45 Nihao rubenwardy_: Thank you!
11:45 nore Nihao: the "one way tube" transports only is the direction of its arrow
11:46 Nihao nore: I expected that, but it is wrong.
11:46 nore moreover, it has priority over normal tubes iirc
11:46 nore what??
11:47 Zeno` I dedicate this next song to VanessaE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSLPH9d-jsI
11:47 nore just checked it should be one-way only
11:47 Nihao hm, I used it with furnaces and they threw their outputs at each other.
11:48 nore do you have an image of your setup?
11:48 Nihao ...I destroyed it and went to creative server for testing.
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11:49 nore (btw, if you just want to route items, high-priority tubes are the best)
11:49 Zeno` sfan5, do all the serialize calls for database NOT call zlib compress?
11:49 sfan5 they do
11:49 Zeno` they all call zlib's compress?
11:50 Zeno` for db blobs?
11:50 Nihao I would just ned a technical spec, I am sure to be able to figure out things afterwards.
11:50 nore well, it *should* be one way only
11:50 Zeno` or... as I suspect, is serialize different for the db?
11:50 nore if it's not, there's a bug
11:50 sfan5 Zeno`: zlib compress is called on the raw block data, the rest of the mapblock is uncompressed
11:50 Nihao nore: The order was (using one way tubes): Autocrafter tube furnace tube furnace
11:51 Nihao + chest
11:51 sfan5 Zeno`: s/block/node/
11:51 nore technic furnaces?
11:51 Nihao From right to left.
11:51 Nihao MV furnace, yes
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11:51 nore ah.. the problem is that you have to rotate them to control their output direction
11:51 Gael-de-Sailly Hello
11:51 Zeno` sfan5, is there some technical reason for that?
11:52 Nihao .....and one way tube does what?
11:52 nore hi
11:52 Nihao Salut.
11:52 nore nope, one way tube just prevents items from being inserted in them the wrong way
11:52 sfan5 Zeno`: reason? it's done to save space
11:52 nore but technic machines do not check that
11:53 Gael-de-Sailly I have this problem with the framed_glasslike drawtype : http://i.imgur.com/QY4L8cf.png
11:53 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPHJFnob8p8
11:53 Nihao nore: I need the spec. I can not read the code so well and there are not many comments inside.
11:53 Gael-de-Sailly The internal edges should be hidden, they are not
11:53 Zeno` sfan5, at the expense of performance
11:53 nore the spec is:
11:53 Zeno` zlib is slower than my pet snail
11:54 nore look at all the neighboring tubes/tubedevices that accept input
11:54 sfan5 not really
11:54 Zeno` sfan5, I've profiled it. Have you?
11:54 nore get those with highest priority
11:54 sfan5 Zeno`: no, but if you choose the right compression level zlib is not that slow
11:54 nore (so: high-priority is 150 IIRC, chest/etc is 100, one-way tube is 75 and other tubes are 50)
11:55 Zeno` sfan5, it's slower than the render loop
11:55 nore and send item in one of those tubes with highest priority in a round-robin way
11:55 sfan5 Zeno`: if it's that slow ask celeron55 why he did that
11:56 sfan5 Zeno`: it's been like this since minetest could save maps
11:56 Zeno` sfan5, I think we all know what the answer will be :D
11:56 Nihao nore: And thus, having two nodes linked by exactly one one way tube, that tube can work either way?
11:56 Nihao nore: Lets forget the one way tube for a while.
11:56 Zeno` I'm just saying that if stuff is going to be broken then it should be broken properly
11:57 nore no, the problem is that technic furnaces *do not check* whether an item is allowed to enter
11:57 sfan5 you don't want to compress block data
11:57 sfan5 ?
11:57 nore they'll send it anyway
11:57 nore so, if there is a one-way tube
11:57 Zeno` sfan5, I'd like a choice as to the compression method used
11:57 nore it will act as if it was a normal tube
11:57 Zeno` and that choice should include no compression at all
11:57 sfan5 why would anyone do that?
11:58 nore you need to rotate your furnaces to make them eject items in the correct direction
11:58 Zeno` do what?
11:58 Zeno` not compress?
11:58 sfan5 yes
11:58 Zeno` because HDD space is cheap
11:58 nore sfan5: if one doesn't care about map size
11:58 nore and want fast map access
11:58 nore s/want/wants
11:58 sfan5 fast map access?
11:58 sfan5 as in more data == faster
11:58 sfan5 ?
11:58 nore it may be faster if not compressed
11:59 Zeno` yes, fast map access
11:59 nore you don't have to uncompress
11:59 sfan5 correct
11:59 sfan5 but it requires more reading speed to be actually faster
11:59 nore yep
12:00 nore but with SSD drives, that may be the case
12:00 Nihao OK, thanks. I will continue experimenting.
12:00 nore np
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12:09 Zeno` I dedicate this next song to sfan5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXxJeEMmFDM
12:12 Zeno` yeah!
12:12 * Zeno` stands on desk
12:14 Zeno` 'tis hard being dj
12:15 Zeno` this is for celeron55: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
12:16 Krock this is for Zeno`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw
12:16 Zeno` lol Krock
12:16 Zeno` I quite like it
12:17 * Zeno` jives
12:17 Zeno` geeee how good would it be for meeeeee
12:18 Zeno` bye bye baby don't make me cry
12:18 Zeno` good choice. Thank you Krock for the contribution
12:18 Krock wait. I got another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
12:19 Krock RickRoll'd
12:19 Zeno` AWESOME!
12:19 Zeno` 80s pop FTW!
12:19 * Zeno` puts on his sunglasses
12:19 Zeno` lmfao
12:20 Zeno` I kinda like this song
12:20 Krock yeah, it's not that bad but still funny to lead people to it
12:21 Zeno` give you up!
12:21 Zeno` never never never gonna
12:21 Zeno` oh oh oh
12:21 Zeno` I have something awesome
12:22 Zeno` something special: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu5zd5fCaPA
12:22 Krock is that 720p?
12:23 Krock jk, sounds cool
12:23 Zeno` doesn't look like it. Some kind of modified version of soundtracker playing it
12:24 Zeno` pretty cool for the simple PC speaker (IMO)
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12:28 Zeno` only coders might find it cool though :(
12:30 Zeno` this is dedicated to nzxrt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9layb9U46OY
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12:34 Zeno` Dedicated to hmmmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LmnP7wZUck
12:34 Zeno` xD
12:36 Zeno` look at those smooth dance moves!
12:37 * Zeno` replays the hmmmm song
12:40 Zeno` damn me... that would be better than rick roll
12:40 * Zeno` starts bananaramarolling other channels
12:42 Zeno` for Zeno`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Q3mHyzn78
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12:46 Zeno` this is a good radio
12:47 Krock "this"?
12:49 Zeno` yeah
12:49 Zeno` in fact...
12:49 Zeno` i love the radio
12:49 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oKz5YB4028
12:50 Krock wait. I remember a scene like that one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktbhw0v186Q
12:51 Zeno` do you want a drink?
12:52 Krock no thanks
12:52 Zeno` ok then. Maybe I didn't treat you quite as good as I should've
12:53 Zeno` I'm so sorry :(
12:53 Zeno` You are always on my mind
12:54 Zeno` would a PSB clip with lady gaga be better?
12:54 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3X1aExRYqs
12:57 Zeno` I know you love it, Krock
12:57 Krock meh. I prefer non-battles
12:57 Krock but okay, not bad.
12:58 Zeno` lol
12:58 Krock What's going on with youtube? I can't play the videos on VLC anymore
12:59 Zeno` even xkcd mentions go west
13:00 Zeno` http://uni.xkcd.com/
13:00 Zeno` go west
13:00 Zeno` go west
13:06 Krock VanessaE closed the ISIS IRC server :(
13:09 Zeno` nah, just waiting for DNS to propogate maybe?
13:09 Amaz She closed it.
13:09 Zeno` hmm
13:09 Amaz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=10&t=7017&p=170785#p170785
13:10 Zeno` she still has the server though
13:10 Zeno` just a different name
13:10 Krock the terrorists attacked the server's name!
13:10 Amaz XD
13:10 Zeno` isis still hosts ircd
13:10 Zeno` oh
13:10 Zeno` oriris
13:11 Zeno` silly
13:11 Zeno` this next song on radio #minetest is dedicated to Amaz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRfXznFzRY
13:12 Krock how 'bout a playlist?
13:12 Zeno` for their sorrow regarding isis
13:13 * Zeno` give permission to Krock to add a song to the playlist
13:15 Zeno` sadness is pretty cool though
13:15 Zeno` (IMO)
13:15 Zeno` sadeness
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13:32 Zeno` And this is for ShadowNinja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLXWDaVYNN8
13:37 Zeno` I wouldn't mind a slice either :/
13:39 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLGWQfK-6DY
13:43 Zeno` for cheapie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILWSp0m9G2U
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13:47 Zeno` for kahrl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhKe-Z-NhBs
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13:51 Zeno` For CWz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpIe95cS2JM
13:53 VanessaE Krock, Amaz:  the server is osiris.inchra.net now.  just use irc.inchra.net
13:54 Amaz Yep, I'm using irc.inchra.net.
13:54 Zeno` For VanessaE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wssIZOBV9i4
13:55 VanessaE Zeno`: blocked.
13:55 Zeno` pfft :(
13:55 VanessaE (UMG, copyright grounds)
13:55 Zeno` belinda carlisle summer rain
13:57 * Zeno` dances on his desk
13:58 Zeno` I think I've played a song for most people now
13:58 Zeno` some have missed their songs :P
13:58 Zeno` :)
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13:59 Zeno` oh dear
14:00 Zeno` I'd already played a song for VanessaE
14:00 VanessaE speaking of rain, it finally warmed up here a bit.  back in the positive side of the thermometer and the snow has melted, for now
14:00 CryptoNaut I need to find all the parameters to dial down the system requirements for minetest
14:00 CryptoNaut I think I overheated my gpu last time I played
14:00 CryptoNaut (since it ended in a system crash after a handful of rendering hiccups)
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14:03 VanessaE you probably overheated your CPU.
14:04 VanessaE minetest doesn't actually do much with the GPU
14:04 Calinou http://i.imgur.com/FpvaRSu.jpg
14:04 Calinou mapgen trollface
14:04 CryptoNaut no? ah, well, both of mine lack cooling, it's been fine with most load cases so far, I guess I found an application to push the limits of ultra low voltage
14:04 Calinou by twoelk
14:05 init how can you make a modern CPU overheat with stock cooling
14:05 CryptoNaut init: it's not stock, it's stock -fan
14:05 CryptoNaut the bearing died some 3 years ago =)
14:05 CryptoNaut rarely overheats tho
14:05 init oh well
14:05 CryptoNaut I don't push it hard
14:05 init CryptoNaut: get an h60, they're really cool
14:05 CryptoNaut ultra low voltage for the win
14:05 CryptoNaut init: which maker is that?
14:06 init corsair
14:06 CryptoNaut sounds like a desktop upgrade manufacturer
14:06 CryptoNaut I'm using a laptop
14:06 init http://www.corsair.com/en-us​/hydro-series-h60-cpu-cooler
14:06 init oh
14:06 CryptoNaut I'm planning on hitting the local stores monday morning
14:06 init I thought it was a desktop
14:06 CryptoNaut to buy a new laptop, this 6 year old has outlived it's usefulness
14:07 init all my 6yo+ desktops still work
14:07 init I still use two of them as servers
14:07 CryptoNaut this one has had threefold failure
14:07 Calinou local stores in 2015? :/
14:08 CryptoNaut screen frame failure that started early, battery failure that concluded sooner than the screen frame failure progress, and then, a couple years in the fan bearing failed, hah
14:08 shadowzone init, I see what you did there.
14:08 init shadowzone: oh really?
14:08 shadowzone <init> CryptoNaut: get an h60, they're really cool
14:08 CryptoNaut Calinou: they still have 'em here
14:08 CryptoNaut shadowzone: nice pun eh?
14:08 shadowzone Yeah
14:08 shadowzone they're really "cool"
14:08 CryptoNaut I'm not quite sure which laptop for running linux I should get, I'm thinking i should limit myself to intel graphics chips
14:08 Krock init, I'm here on a motherboard from 05/23/2006 and minetest still runs on it :P
14:09 CryptoNaut supposedly best driver support
14:09 init Krock: all my "desktops" only had low-end IGPs, so I can barely do anything "modern" with them :(
14:09 CryptoNaut minetest would probably run fine here, if I invested in fixing the fan on this pile of crap
14:09 init and right now my mid-end desktop has a really low-end GPU so yeah
14:10 Calinou CryptoNaut, stick with Intel
14:10 Calinou only proper graphics manufacturer
14:10 Calinou just get an i7, which have faster IGPs
14:10 shadowzone Mine is a modified dell vostro.
14:10 shadowzone Like VERY modified.
14:10 shadowzone the only thing left of it is the case.
14:10 init only the name stands?
14:10 Krock init, is using a newer graphics card no soulation?
14:10 CryptoNaut Calinou: that's new slang for gpu yes?
14:10 init Krock: no PCI-E, no AGP, not going to spend money in a new mobo
14:10 Calinou IGP = Integrated Graphics Processor
14:11 init CryptoNaut: I'd only stick with Intel in laptops
14:11 CryptoNaut I don't think I'll spend the cash on an i7 tho, i5 or i3 maybe
14:11 CryptoNaut I dunno
14:11 Krock there are mainboards with IGP and AGP/PCI
14:11 CryptoNaut I'm going for a dirt cheap price point
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14:11 CryptoNaut below 600 eur
14:11 init I really like my actual setup :D
14:11 init cheap worthless laptop + decent desktop
14:13 init I can upgrade the desktop as I go (SSD, more HDDs, extra ram, CPU upgrade, 4new PSU, 4new case, 4new cooling, 4add UPS, etc) easily :3
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14:14 Krock why do you need UPS?
14:14 rubenwardy Yo mates!
14:14 CryptoNaut to work through the power interruptions?
14:14 Krock CryptoNaut, well here in Europe, there are 1 maybe 2 interruptions per year :3
14:15 Krock dunno about other places
14:15 init I live in a rural area, so it isn't _that_ good
14:15 CryptoNaut Krock: here in my parts of europe rural bits can get brown outs and such, altho I don't get that here in the city
14:16 init and I don't live in europe!
14:16 CryptoNaut just straight black outs when some substation blows
14:16 CryptoNaut hah
14:16 CryptoNaut but most times I power down is to be safe during overhead thunder storms
14:16 init Argentina
14:17 init CryptoNaut: yeah, pretty much over here, heavy thunder storms tends to fuck up some line => power interruption
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14:17 init but being able to change power lines or so easily (our houses has two lines, mostly for $$$ reasons)
14:17 rubenwardy Zeno`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPqJwdCXpw
14:18 Zeno` The Vaccines!
14:19 rubenwardy Yay!
14:19 shadowzone Good morning/afternoon/evening, Zeno`.
14:19 Zeno` hi shadowzone
14:19 Zeno` The Vaccines are pretty cool
14:19 init it's probably like 4AM in Zeno`'s side
14:20 init am I right?
14:20 Zeno` only 12:20AM
14:20 init uh, right, checked my _local_ hour wrong
14:21 Zeno` hmm
14:22 Zeno` actually I dedicated another remix of this song to someone else earlier... but it should really be to shadowzone
14:22 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84DZ_kecKUo
14:23 * shadowzone listens
14:23 shadowzone that is kinda cool
14:23 Zeno` it's your song
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14:24 Zeno` this was the version I played earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpIe95cS2JM
14:24 Zeno` I rededicate all versions to you
14:25 shadowzone Okay..
14:25 * Zeno` rocks
14:25 CryptoNaut init: we've had hardware burnt out when out of the house and thunder happening before, so it's taught me caution during the storms =P
14:25 shadowzone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4RfZojIyhA Zeno` your song just cuz I can't think of anything else
14:26 Zeno` lmao :D
14:26 init CryptoNaut: yes, me too, but sometimes I realize it's raining when the power goes down
14:26 CryptoNaut init: raining?
14:26 Zeno` yeah!
14:26 init and, we've a controlled powercut every month in my house
14:27 * Zeno` is a sharp dressed man
14:27 init CryptoNaut: wut?
14:27 CryptoNaut init: how is rain relevant, I'm confused
14:27 Krock I signed in on my computer 3456 times but the mainboard only has 93 starts
14:27 Krock a mystery
14:27 Zeno` shadowzone, john fogerty originally sang that
14:28 shadowzone Cool
14:28 CryptoNaut Krock: maybe mainboard counter only has something like 7 or 8 bits of counter?
14:28 Zeno` since I am to be associated with JF... can I have this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H06_0ApzkzY?
14:28 init CryptoNaut: uhm? thunderstorms come with heavy rain
14:29 CryptoNaut init: so you have a hypothesis that you never hear the thunder, but there's power outages during rain?
14:29 CryptoNaut still confused
14:29 CryptoNaut I can always hear the thunder here
14:29 CryptoNaut well, if it gets close enough anyway
14:29 Krock CryptoNaut, I doupt that. Either is it ereased by replacing the CMOS battery or it's because it's still the old HDD on another  mainboard :P
14:29 CryptoNaut Krock: what's counting the sign-ins anyway
14:29 shadowzone Zeno`, okay
14:30 Krock CryptoNaut, Winwipe.
14:30 init CryptoNaut: I use headphones, and my room has thick walls/roof, if I was in the living room I would notice it :P
14:30 Zeno` shadowzone, hmm. Ok I trust your judgement. lol
14:30 CryptoNaut sounds like a very old install Krock
14:30 CryptoNaut init: ah
14:30 Krock nah, not that old. IO.SYS got created in 2011
14:30 CryptoNaut init: it's fun to follow the progress of thunder storms in the summer with thunder tracking 'radars' online, btw
14:31 Zeno` I'm not sure I like JF
14:31 Zeno` but he does sing some ok songs
14:31 init CryptoNaut: I made a few programs and scripts that basically made it easy, I can't get to use them
14:31 Zeno` Who'll stop the rain is oll
14:31 Zeno` s/oll/ok
14:31 CryptoNaut init: make what?
14:32 init tracking weather radars
14:32 CryptoNaut O.O
14:32 init wut
14:32 * Zeno` square dances
14:32 CryptoNaut anyway, I'm fortunate to have a few of those thunder trackers nearby
14:33 Zeno` the thunder from down under! (AC/DC)!!!!!!!!!1
14:33 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM
14:33 Zeno` good call, CryptoNaut
14:33 CryptoNaut apparently, not much lightning right now in europe http://www.blitzortung.org/​Webpages/index.php?lang=en
14:34 Zeno` thunder
14:34 Zeno` thunder
14:34 Zeno` thunder
14:34 Zeno` was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
14:34 init I live in a really humid place, if that makes any difference :P
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14:34 Zeno` yay!
14:34 rubenwardy Ha
14:34 init poor Zeno`
14:34 Zeno` thunder
14:35 Zeno` and I knew, I knew, I knew there was no help from you
14:35 Zeno` you've been... thunderstruck!
14:36 CryptoNaut Zeno`: is it mean to find people who are afraid of thunder amusing?
14:36 Zeno` CryptoNaut, I don't think so. I love the song
14:37 CryptoNaut I'm not referring to the song
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14:37 Zeno` I have a UPS for the same reason
14:37 init wut
14:37 Zeno` I live in a rural area and lose power maybe 30 times a year lol
14:37 rom1504 Hi, in http://dev.minetest.net/Network_Protocol , https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/blob/master/src/clientserver.h is 404
14:37 rom1504 also, creating an account on the wiki is not possible
14:38 Zeno` CryptoNaut, believe me that I am not making fun of people who are cautious with their expensive gear
14:38 CryptoNaut no I mean afraid like cats and dogs are afraid of thunder
14:38 init your gear is more expensive than expensive
14:38 Zeno` even so, I am not making fun of that
14:39 CryptoNaut except, they can predict being afraid before it happens, unlike our pets
14:39 CryptoNaut I try not to make fun of them, of course, because that would be rude
14:39 Zeno` I make fun of myself more often that anything
14:39 CryptoNaut same
14:40 CryptoNaut while I'm cautious abaout our appliances in the face of thunder, I'm unable to be emotionally scared of thunder, or lightning damage
14:40 init is anyone here learning (or wants to learn) Haskell?
14:40 CryptoNaut I have to work really hard to be afraid of it
14:41 CryptoNaut hm, opaque water should reduce system load, shouldn't it
14:41 Zeno` in Fact
14:42 Zeno` I will now dedicate a song to myself
14:42 CryptoNaut maybe less useful than viewing_range_nodes_max
14:42 Zeno` Zeno`, this is dedicated to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A
14:43 CryptoNaut debug.txt is not supposed to open in vlc =\
14:43 Zeno` and girl's... they wanna have fun
14:43 * Zeno` grooves
14:43 Zeno` Zeno`, this is YOUR song
14:44 Zeno` Zeno`, thanks mate!
14:44 init I think Zeno` didn't take his pills today
14:44 Zeno` yay
14:44 Zeno` oj, girls just wanna have fun
14:44 Zeno` yep
14:45 Zeno` yeah!
14:45 Zeno` wanna have fun
14:45 rubenwardy rom1504, it recently changed a lot
14:45 rubenwardy You need to request on the forums for a wiki account
14:45 rubenwardy !g wiki account request site:forum.minetest.net
14:45 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=10473
14:46 rubenwardy That's it
14:46 Zeno` rubenwardy, what does that have to do with cyndi lauper?
14:46 rubenwardy <rom1504> Hi, in http://dev.minetest.net/Network_Protocol , https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/blob/master/src/clientserver.h is 404
14:46 * Zeno` checks source code for class Cyndi
14:47 Zeno` wow
14:47 Zeno` it's actually here
14:49 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ORzdIQIMAo
14:50 Zeno` Don't let me go!
14:50 CryptoNaut I'm going to gamble and assume both enable_fog = 0 and enable_clouds = 0 improve performance / reduce load
14:51 Zeno` enable_clouds = 0 would
14:51 Zeno` not so sure about enable_fog
14:51 CryptoNaut hm, maybe it's part of the viewing_range_ decision making, whether there's fog or not, I'll leave it for now
14:52 rubenwardy I don't know how it is done, if it limits render distance in the camera then maybe not
14:52 CryptoNaut ps: if I disconnect I played too long and it overheated again =P I have temperature sensors showing now, tho
14:52 Zeno` the fog setting makes very little difference
14:52 CryptoNaut I reduced viewing_range_nodes_* below default tho http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest.conf
14:53 CryptoNaut Zeno`: every saved cpu cycle is a saved cpu cycle =P
14:53 Zeno` fog is not cpu though ;)
14:53 CryptoNaut what then?
14:53 Zeno` gpu
14:53 Zeno` and gpu is basically unused so I doubt it would make much difference at all
14:54 Zeno` It doesn't add anything to the mesh anyway
14:54 Zeno` it's just a rendering thing
14:55 CryptoNaut I'll leave fog and transparent water for now, but went with the opaque leaves, yay
14:55 Zeno` clouds add to the mesh and also use perlin noise (CPU)
14:55 CryptoNaut wouldn't using opengl rendering offload some stuff to the gpu by default anyway
14:55 CryptoNaut hm, alright, thanks
14:56 Zeno` CryptoNaut, less than you'd think :(
14:56 CryptoNaut now if I could figure out what the number for time_speed does, if it's just a day/time_speed thingy, I could know what the default number actually means
14:57 CryptoNaut time for using a stopwatch
14:57 Zeno` fog is done ALL gpu-side though
14:57 Zeno` clouds are not
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15:42 Calinou Zeno`, talking about fog, I wish we had “fancy fog” (radial)
15:42 Calinou like Minecraft does
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15:42 Calinou the current fog is just a plane
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15:56 FreeFull Calinou: I thought minecraft did a plane
15:56 FreeFull So just rotating the camera would change the way things were fogged over (things around the edges of the screen got less fog )
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16:00 Megaf Hi everyone
16:00 Megaf !server Megaf
16:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/9, 1/3 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
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16:01 LazyJ o/ Megaf
16:01 Megaf I have been idle here for quite some time not :P
16:02 LazyJ You lurker, you.
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16:03 Mati1_ hi all
16:03 Mati1_ how to make trolley tracks
16:04 LazyJ Rails - default game. Carts - cart mod. Trains - in development mod by jordan4ibanez.
16:05 LazyJ Rails are just that - rails only.
16:05 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com
16:05 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (38ms)
16:05 LazyJ For something that moves on the rails use the Cart mod.
16:05 Mati1_ Is there a website with the help of
16:05 rubenwardy Capture the flag multiplayer testing
16:05 rubenwardy Try and crash it!
16:05 LazyJ Otherwise build a static trolley out of blocks.
16:06 Mati1_ pleace website
16:06 Mati1_ link for
16:06 LazyJ forum.minetest.net -> Mods forums.
16:07 LazyJ Probably faster to use Google:    forum.minetest.net carts
16:08 rubenwardy 1sec, making public
16:08 Mati1_ thx
16:08 LazyJ yw ;)
16:09 rubenwardy !server capture
16:09 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag test | home.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 1755ms
16:09 rubenwardy !server capture
16:09 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag test | home.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 1755ms
16:11 Amaz Has it crashed?
16:11 CryptoNaut now, I wonder if disabling smooth lighting reduces load
16:12 rubenwardy No, but the client is hanging and won't close
16:12 rubenwardy Will start as console server
16:13 Amaz Okay.
16:13 rubenwardy Will start as console server
16:13 rubenwardy !server capture
16:13 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag test | home.rubenwardy.com:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 36ms
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16:15 rubenwardy Hmmm, server won't start
16:15 Amaz I'm in it, but nothing is loading...
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16:16 rubenwardy Weird
16:16 rubenwardy Infinite loop?
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16:16 hoodedice for(;;)?
16:16 hoodedice while (true)?
16:16 rubenwardy ^C16:16:38: INFO: sigint_handler(): Ctrl-C pressed, shutting down.
16:16 rubenwardy 16:16:38: ERROR[CurlFetchThread]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 500)
16:17 rubenwardy restarting, ports are locked up
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16:20 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com
16:20 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (39ms)
16:20 rubenwardy works now for me
16:20 rubenwardy !server capture
16:20 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag test | 92.2.106.181:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 35ms
16:21 rubenwardy That's not correct
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16:21 rubenwardy Ah, last one hasn't timed out in the serverlist yet
16:22 rubenwardy Broken again. Well, that's probably a bug
16:23 Amaz Wasn't to hard to do as you asked :)
16:23 Amaz (Try and crash it!)
16:23 rubenwardy Server list is messed up
16:24 rubenwardy Server says ^C16:23:04: INFO: sigint_handler(): Ctrl-C pressed, shutting down.
16:24 rubenwardy 16:23:05: ERROR[CurlFetchThread]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 500)
16:24 rubenwardy and then never closes
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16:27 rubenwardy Hosting plain world to see if same problem
16:28 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com
16:28 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (1841ms)
16:28 rubenwardy It's windy and rainy thus slow internet
16:28 rubenwardy don't know why
16:28 hoodedice because the electrons carrying your data are feeling cold
16:29 hoodedice r/shittyaskscience
16:30 rubenwardy hoodedice, it would be good to have materials (leaflets, posters) for con style meet ups. (con as in ComiCon).
16:30 rubenwardy You're the PR guy
16:30 rubenwardy :)
16:30 hoodedice I'm also AWOL
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16:31 hoodedice :)
16:31 rubenwardy Okay. I may get around to it, but probably not that soon
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16:31 hoodedice to have con-style meetups, you need to have a large enough following first
16:31 rubenwardy Actually, I did just update the server
16:31 rubenwardy There have been two or three so far
16:31 hoodedice those are Minecraft cons
16:31 hoodedice not minetest cons
16:32 rubenwardy https://groups.google.com/d/to​pic/coderdojo-org/ndc-e26bOLw
16:32 rubenwardy Meh, not sure if that counts, but is similar.
16:33 hoodedice ruben, you're a celebrity now!
16:34 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com
16:34 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (42ms)
16:34 rubenwardy Please can we try again, but now that I've updated the server? I updated before trying plain mt
16:34 Amaz Seems to be the same as before...
16:35 Amaz As in not loading.
16:35 rubenwardy Yeah, same 500 error
16:35 hoodedice rubenwardy: can you look into converting this to markdown? https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/1306#issuecomment-75379414
16:35 rubenwardy That confirms it
16:36 rubenwardy Shouldn't be too hard, hoodedice.
16:36 hoodedice so you'll do it?
16:37 rubenwardy sure, 1sec
16:37 hoodedice kthnxm8
16:37 hoodedice my work here is done
16:37 hoodedice now to fly away for another 6 months
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17:31 ipv6b Is there a way to make the chat text larger?
17:39 CryptoNaut time to enable opaque waterand to disable view_bobbing
17:39 rubenwardy Is there any way to find out where a Lua script is hanging?
17:40 rom1504 any easy way to make bots for minetest ?
17:41 rubenwardy !g minetest php bot
17:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/index.php
17:41 rubenwardy :(
17:41 rubenwardy !g minetest php bot github
17:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
17:41 rubenwardy ffs
17:41 rubenwardy https://github.com/rarkenin/minetest-bot-php
17:42 rubenwardy Not sure how far they got
17:42 rom1504 seems it's just for chat though
17:43 CryptoNaut ok, so bobbing is another setting from use action swing
17:43 Amaz "Limitations: It does not work yet!"
17:43 CryptoNaut I'm not sure if it's the use action, or the actual block placement that cranks up the cpu now =\
17:44 rubenwardy Amaz: it was to do with the team allocation
17:45 rubenwardy Disabling team allocation makes it work
17:45 Amaz What does it do?
17:45 Amaz And how do you disable that?
17:46 rubenwardy I disabled it in minetest.conf, and it automagically adds you to a team when you join
17:46 Amaz Okay.
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17:48 rubenwardy I think it adds you to a team that doesn't exist
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17:51 rubenwardy Ah, it is because the allocation method requires two teams, and only one team existed
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18:06 rubenwardy I have no idea
18:06 rubenwardy Disabling autoalloc stops it from doing the silly things, but I can't see why
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18:11 rubenwardy Here is the backtrace of where it is: https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/b9bbb98d89f345a7d083
18:16 rubenwardy Building minetest server so I can get a backtrace of where the server is
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18:19 rubenwardy The server just sleeps in dedicated server loop using usleep
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18:21 rubenwardy So weird
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18:33 SilvaMerner Hi
18:33 shadowzone hi SilvaMerner
18:33 SilvaMerner SHADOW
18:34 shadowzone How are you?
18:35 SilvaMerner Shadow I won't be on Minetest for a while
18:35 SilvaMerner Btw I'm good thx
18:36 shadowzone Oh
18:36 SilvaMerner Been a bit ill and lost my Samsung phone
18:37 SilvaMerner Got a new phone but  I'll be back on Minetest soon
18:37 Calinou https://lut.im/wqAeIehL/DRii80u5
18:37 Calinou lol
18:38 SilvaMerner Hi calinou
18:38 shadowzone Calinou, lol
18:39 SilvaMerner #minetestcreeper
18:40 SilvaMerner Creepy if we could get creepers in Minetest
18:42 SilvaMerner Shadow can u tell the guys on Minetest it will probs be a couple of days or so before I come on again
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18:45 ipv6b Not the first time somebody asks me how to split an item in Multicraft II
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18:50 STHGOM how do you add an item to a players inventory?
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18:51 STHGOM is it: minetest.get_inventory() :add_item("default:cobble")?
18:52 Krock player:get_inventory()
18:52 Krock minetest.get_player_by_name("foobar")
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18:59 rubenwardy I don't understand :(
19:04 STHGOM is foobar the name of the player?
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19:11 STHGOM it says "attempt to index global 'player'"
19:12 Krock STHGOM, you need to define "player" is it's not given.
19:12 Krock *if it's
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19:13 rubenwardy Amaz, adding a delay before auto allocating fixes it, it is something to do with the player being emerged.
19:13 rubenwardy * not being
19:13 rubenwardy ie, isn't in the world yet
19:14 STHGOM how to define player?
19:15 Krock how about: local player = minetest.get_player_by_name("foobar")
19:15 STHGOM ok
19:18 STHGOM now it says "attempt to index local 'player'"
19:19 Krock at least an attempt
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19:23 STHGOM i think i might've put it in a bad spot
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19:26 STHGOM maybe not :P
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19:32 EvergreenTree Hello everyone
19:33 STHGOM hi
19:34 STHGOM local player = minetest.get_player_by_name("singleplayer")
19:34 STHGOM player:get_inventory():add_item("default:cobble")
19:35 EvergreenTree What's with the random pasting of code?  :P
19:36 STHGOM it now working :P
19:36 STHGOM not*
19:36 EvergreenTree What is the error message?
19:37 STHGOM lua:2: attempt to index global 'player' (a nil value)
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19:38 STHGOM the first line is acually just player = minetest.get_player_by_name("singleplayer")
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19:42 ipv6b No fear. The players are aware of all the *crafts problems. They avoid apps which give them problems.
19:42 EvergreenTree STHGOM: not sure, and don't really have time right now
19:44 STHGOM ok
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19:47 STHGOM what program would you suggest for modding?
19:48 est31 STHGOM, modding minetest?
19:48 STHGOM yes
19:48 est31 I mainly use a texteditor, rubenwardies doc, and minetest
19:48 est31 the texteditor should support syntax highlighting
19:49 EvergreenTree Any text editor will do as long as it supports syntax highlighting and lua
19:49 EvergreenTree I can list a few: geany, vim(for wizards), gedit, scite, notepad++(windows)
19:49 STHGOM what one do you use?
19:49 * est31 uses kate
19:50 EvergreenTree vim
19:50 EvergreenTree kate is good too
19:50 est31 There is a video which gives an oversight over editors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvjcuiQE-cQ
19:50 EvergreenTree I have vim tricked out though, and I wouldn't really suggest it to you
19:50 EvergreenTree Here is a screenshot of it: https://lut.im/fXVgla0M/dBhvUq7M
19:51 est31 this isnt normal vanilla vim
19:51 EvergreenTree vim DOES NOT look like that out of the box however.
19:51 est31 yea
19:51 EvergreenTree I have vim-airline, gruvbox theme, nerdtree, ctrlp and many other plugins
19:51 EvergreenTree I also have a ~450 line vimrc
19:51 est31 nerdtree lol
19:51 EvergreenTree :P
19:52 EvergreenTree I would suggest geany, gedit, or kate if you are on linux though
19:52 EvergreenTree all of them have pretty similar features
19:52 est31 sometimes I use vim, but I have tab problems with it: when I type tabs, I get spaces
19:53 EvergreenTree est31: that's probably because expandtab is et
19:53 EvergreenTree *set
19:53 STHGOM can yuo easily get kate on windowsa?
19:53 est31 I think that would require installing KDE on windows
19:53 EvergreenTree no, not really
19:53 est31 which isnt probably what you want
19:54 EvergreenTree For windows, I think you might want to use notepad++.  (not sure about it though, since I don't use windows)
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19:54 EvergreenTree http://www.notepad-plus-plus.org/
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19:56 EvergreenTree Also, I repeat: DO NOT USE NOTEPAD
19:56 EvergreenTree :P
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19:56 STHGOM i have been using wordpad
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20:05 haiku !server Megaf
20:05 MinetestBot haiku: No results
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20:05 haiku Megaf, what's happened with the server?
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20:08 STHGOM thanks, notepad++ looks good
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20:16 haiku !server Megaf
20:16 MinetestBot haiku: No results
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20:48 iio7 Hi, I have set up a minetest server using 0.4.12 with v7 engine and Ethereal mod + the mobs mod for that. I would like for farm animals to spawn much more frequently, is it possible to change this without having to hack the mods themselves?
20:50 est31 hacking the mods is easiest, if they have no option
21:02 iio7 est31, ok, thanks
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21:16 ChrisWere Hi, is there a way I can set up a casual game with another player through the game's gui
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21:23 ChrisWere The documentation on how to do it is very bad
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21:29 ChrisWere I think I read one article from minetest.com and another frome minetest.net and the two sets of instructions are conflicting
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21:30 ChrisWere Is there anybody here who can help? I'm completely lost
21:32 Nihao ChrisWere: I do not know how to do that, but suppose it works as follows:
21:32 ChrisWere Pardon?
21:33 Nihao On one computer, you start the game from the server tab.
21:33 Nihao From the other computer, you connect to the first computers IP  on port 30000.
21:34 Nihao Supposing there is no firewall blocking, thats all.
21:34 ChrisWere That hasn't worked
21:34 ChrisWere tbh I think following the instructions on Minetest.com has wrecked my install
21:35 Nihao Hm, sorry for you. I do not even know the instructions, sorry, I can not help you then.
21:36 ChrisWere Thanks for trying. I just wish the instructions on the wiki were a bit easyier to follow
21:37 Nihao For testing, I can launch a server and you connect?
21:37 ChrisWere I can connect to public servers
21:38 ChrisWere at the moment I need to fix my installion because following the instructions on the website has broken it
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21:43 ChrisWere How do I get my game to appear on the public server list? Does it appear there my default?
21:46 ChrisWere There's no way to search for a game or organise the public server list. This is all very frustrating. Please help
21:48 Nihao ChanServ: You wanted a private game. Just use the IP of the PC where you run the server on.
21:48 ChrisWere That doesn't work either
21:49 Nihao Does ping answer?
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21:52 ChrisWere as in ping my own IP address. That doesn't appear to answer
21:54 ChrisWere ohh hang on, I've worked it out
21:55 ChrisWere Weird thing happened, I went to http://www.myipaddress.com/show-my-ip-address/ to display my IP and it gave me an incorrect IP address. When I used the one from ifconfig it worked.
21:55 Nihao Router?
21:56 ChrisWere Something like that. Anyways, thank you very very much for sticking with me. Your support has been very valuable.
21:57 ChrisWere I know it's frustrating to have to deal with newbies like myself.
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22:05 Nihao ChrisWere: Welcome.
22:07 Pulec I hate debian
22:07 Pulec in wheezy, it has only minetest server 0.3.x
22:08 Pulec too bad there is no option for archlinux on my provider
22:09 est31 Pulec, if you have root access, you can install every distro you want
22:09 est31 also, you can download minetest yourself, and compile it
22:11 Nitori I love debian
22:11 Nitori I'm using sid
22:11 Nitori but might not be recommended for a server
22:15 Nihao Pulec: You can try this for MT 0.4.11:   http://pastebin.com/DPEs8rki
22:15 Nihao It works well on my PCs.
22:15 Pulec sid?
22:16 Pulec well I thought about building it from source
22:16 Nihao Pulec: That is what it does....just rad first.
22:16 Nihao read*
22:19 Pulec well by riding the commands in the script it does pretty much the same stuff as http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
22:20 Nihao OK, so you know how to resolve the problem before even compaining :)
22:22 Pulec I will probably switch to centos anyway
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22:22 Pulec anybody running server with only 256MB ram?
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22:48 est31 Hello somebody has asked ingame whether the Craig server is discontinued. Does anybody know sth?
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23:42 Pulec http://dfkl.eu/static/map.png
23:42 Pulec nice python script
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23:54 est31 Pulec, try minetestmapper-cpp its faster than python
23:55 est31 and, if you want sloppy maps, try my project: https://github.com/est31/leaftest
23:55 est31 in live: http://alket.mooo.com/map
23:57 Pulec i was just trying out https://gist.github.com/MarkTraceur/998260 script
23:57 Pulec note that it didnt worked :D
23:57 VanessaE I still need to set that up on mine
23:57 Pulec yeah live maps are bit more advanced
23:58 Pulec as I said I have only 256MB ram, so I dont except anything longterm
23:58 Pulec epecially when we have community build minecraft server with 16gb of ram
23:58 VanessaE time to buy more :)
23:59 est31 no, mine is not live
23:59 Pulec and another 16gb of ram, but there were some problems with the machine
23:59 est31 with "live" I meant that you can try it out there
23:59 est31 MT-sattelite is live map
23:59 est31 but as it seems it only supports redis

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