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00:00 ekem Inocudom <3 u!
00:00 VanessaE Inocudom: society is going down the tubes because people stopped caring about each other
00:00 VanessaE it has exactly fuck all to do with tv or music
00:00 ekem there is indoctrination and psycology at play in all media
00:00 ekem to creat social order and create consumers
00:00 Hirato the media lies
00:01 ekem but its not lizard people mind control illumonot
00:01 Inocudom Yep, that too, which said music and tv help with.
00:01 ekem oh i spelled that wrong
00:01 ekem ilomanunti
00:01 Hirato lurmanardie
00:01 VanessaE Inocudom: if you think music helps with that, you don't listen to enough music.
00:01 ekem owloomanotigri
00:01 VanessaE and if you think tv is the cause, you don't talk to enough people in the real world.
00:01 ekem although we could be wrong and the lizard people have won already.
00:02 ekem i used to work with a guy who listened to coast to coast with art bell relgiously. i remembered a famous episode where someone called in claming to be a time traveller
00:02 ekem i proceeded to tell max, who was a veteran living in the woods with many weapons, that i was a time traveller, sent back to protect and guide him
00:03 ekem i brought up the called to art bell
00:03 ekem his eyes got really wide
00:03 ekem he asked me what his name was, i guessed like john cause why not
00:03 ekem apparently i was right, you could see this old timers wheels turning, like holy shit, this kids is a fucking time traveller
00:04 Inocudom Just look at Minetest; the vast majority of people use crappy mobile ports/play on base game servers. And rather than build, they just dig random stuff and kill others.
00:04 ekem i eventually couldnt help but smirk like an asshat, and he lightened up
00:04 VanessaE Inocudom: no different than kids were in the last generation
00:04 VanessaE they just used sticks and stones instead of mouse clicks and phones
00:05 Hirato spelling illuminati that badly reminded me of this http://i.imgur.com/aCtRL3x.jpg :/
00:05 Inocudom And in fps, custom player models are, for the most part, a thing of the past. Most players just want to be invincible gods now.
00:05 ekem Hirato++
00:05 VanessaE Inocudom: again, same as last generation.  back then, it was cheat codes.
00:06 VanessaE Inocudom: you're trying to draw a conclusion that does not exist.
00:06 Hirato now we pay for cheat codes
00:06 VanessaE people today are the same as they were a generation ago, and a generation before that
00:06 Hirato cheat code DLC
00:06 VanessaE the only difference is how those people express themselves
00:06 VanessaE not whether they actually DO
00:06 * Hirato wishes he was joking
00:06 ekem http://onebit.us/x/i/53W0O9GXds.jpg
00:07 ekem the dark ages have fallen once more
00:07 Hirato oh man, where did I put this one
00:08 Hirato https://dl.dropboxusercontent.co​m/u/23891252/lolcrap/LaB0kRN.png found it
00:09 ekem lol
00:09 VanessaE *facepalm*
00:10 Hirato that dropbox folder is full of such idiocy
00:11 Hirato https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/lo​lcrap/ss%20%282014-06-08%20at%2011.11.01%29.png
00:12 Inocudom I am really getting tired of winter. I am tired of the constant windstorms that keep me up all night, the constant rain, the constant ice.
00:12 VanessaE Inocudom: you need to learn to relax then
00:12 VanessaE or move to a warmer climate.
00:13 Hirato I hear Arizona's pretty nice :3c
00:13 ekem http://www.npr.org/2014/01/12/261437992/lessons​-on-blindness-for-the-benefit-of-those-who-see
00:13 Inocudom Of course, summer is just as bad, if not worse, what with its storms, bugs, and heat.
00:13 ekem i think thats the one
00:13 SylvieLorxu Hirato: Are playtesters hired on their stupidity?
00:13 ekem basically talks about how coddling those with vision impairement leads to them not developing other skills to help them percieve the world
00:13 Hirato SylvieLorxu: who knows, would explain why games have just gone down the toilet after the 90's
00:14 ekem same things happens to everyone in society, too many easy paths that dont give people the opportunity to develop critical thinking
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00:14 Inocudom There are dangers and disasters everywhere though.
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00:15 VanessaE Inocudom: so leave PA.  sucky state for winter weather.
00:16 Inocudom February, you don't experiece winter's true might until that month.
00:17 Inocudom There is no way we could move. I wise man learns to accept facts. He learns to accept that some things really are impossible.
00:18 VanessaE a wise man accepts facts.  a wiser man uses those facts to change his situation.
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00:19 Inocudom I learned to do so with Sauerbraten, Freeminer, Urban Terror.
00:19 VanessaE if my husband and I, with a combined income equivalent to a single full-time minimum wage job, could move from Virginia and PA to Florida, to Missouri, to here in NC, so can you :P
00:20 Inocudom How did in the world did you manage that?
00:20 * tim_flatus attempts to join in but is laughing too much
00:20 ekem here tim_flatus, i think i found your sides outside my house
00:20 LazyJ Ah, VanesaE, perhaps you'll know the answer.
00:21 LazyJ And, no, you can't run and hide. ;)-
00:21 VanessaE by saving up some money, and just deciding it was time to gtfo, and taking out a small (less than $1000) loan.
00:21 * VanessaE runs and hides.
00:21 VanessaE what's up, LazyJ ?
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00:22 LazyJ So.... normalmaps. What difference is there between having normalmap images in the texture pack vs using Minetest's normalmap toggle setting?
00:22 ekem did you know a bee hive can get up to 90 degrees as the bees vibrate to keep warm? you can save a ton on your heating bill by installing a bee hive in your living room
00:22 Inocudom You know a windstorm is powerful when its very sound rattles the house.
00:22 ekem 3Think Green!
00:23 LazyJ Is it worth creating normalmaps or just letting Minetest handle it?
00:23 Inocudom Normalmap images allow for parallax occlusion (3d effect.)
00:23 VanessaE LazyJ: the "normalmap" setting in minetest, as distinct from "bumpmapping", generates on-the-fly normalmaps from the regular textures using a sort of "sobel" edging effect.  the "bumpmapping" setting just enables the use of the normalmaps you supplied in the texture pack, which will have been generated by G*d only knows what steps, as the author of them dictates.
00:24 LazyJ What I'm contemplating is creating normalmaps in GIMP for the texture pack I use.
00:24 tim_flatus But is it worth creating them?
00:25 LazyJ That's what I'm wondering.
00:25 VanessaE LazyJ: do that, and enable "bumpmapping", but do NOT enable "normalmaps"
00:25 tim_flatus and what orientation should they be?
00:25 * Sokomine tries to avoid ekem's living room
00:25 VanessaE whether it's worth creating normalmaps depends on your textures I guess
00:25 LazyJ I've tinkered with a couple images. I can push the 'bumpiness' farther but for a lot of images, it's really not that great of a look.
00:26 tim_flatus OK
00:26 Inocudom I felt rather sick this morning. Linked to the storm, perhaps?
00:26 LazyJ Which is easier for Minetest to handle (barring the GPU's strength)?
00:30 VanessaE Inocudom: more likely stress, or.... I dunno...you're just sick?
00:30 VanessaE how about not linking shit together that has no causal relationship
00:30 tim_flatus The mind is a very powerful thing ...
00:30 VanessaE LazyJ: plain normalmaps generated in gimp (or use insanebump/crazybump or whatever it's called)
00:31 Inocudom Symbolism is the oldest language there is.
00:32 Inocudom Does anybody know that the United Nations called this the Year Of Light? What is the reasoning for doing so?
00:32 LazyJ Inocudom, hot chicken broth in your mug and oranges in your hand.
00:32 VanessaE LazyJ: once they're generated and made active, either one is the same amount of GPU/CPU effort, but it does involve CPU effort for the generate-normalmaps mode to actually create them at startup
00:32 Inocudom I only have coffee I'm afraid.
00:32 tim_flatus Inocudom I could take your arguments apart point by point but that would be way OT for this channel.
00:32 LazyJ Or kiwis. Those pack a lot of good stuff in a little package.
00:32 tim_flatus You are right about symbolism though
00:33 VanessaE Inocudom: probably nothing but politics.  this is also the year of the goat according to the Chinese zodiac
00:35 tim_flatus Is it already? did I miss the new moon?
00:35 LazyJ If I've learned anything over the decades it's not to get too worked up over "symbols".
00:36 VanessaE I just checked, that's it now, or what's coming once the chinese new year celebration ends I guess
00:36 tim_flatus In four days ...
00:36 VanessaE yeah
00:36 VanessaE I was just rounding it up.
00:37 tim_flatus I assume you're familiar with lunisolar calendars ...
00:37 VanessaE vaguely so
00:37 tim_flatus My specialist subject
00:37 VanessaE Hebrew calendar is also
00:37 tim_flatus Exactly
00:37 LazyJ It is one thing to use a symbols as a gesture of respect (honoring the flag, for example) but entirely another thing if the symbol is taken to extremes by extremists.
00:38 tim_flatus You need to get the context right. You can't mix graeco-Rooman with Hebrew
00:38 LazyJ And with that, I'm ducking out of the conversation.
00:38 * VanessaE burns LazyJ's symbol in effigy :P
00:38 LazyJ Thanks for the normalmap advice VanessaE ;)
00:38 tim_flatus Well, you can and you get Christianity
00:38 tim_flatus and I'll stop there probably
00:38 LazyJ NOoo!! Not the holy donut!
00:41 VanessaE jk
00:45 VanessaE well there goes the power, flickering
00:46 VanessaE good thing I have good UPS's.
00:47 Inocudom VanessaE: That power could go out you know. Those winds are quite strong.
00:47 VanessaE oh well.
00:47 VanessaE if goes out, it goes out.
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00:48 miner67 hi
00:48 VanessaE if it gets too cold, we get in the car and drive to somewhere that's warm.
00:49 * est31_ experiences how undeterministic mapgen is
00:49 Sokomine lazyj: don't do too much honorinig the flag when us germans are present. for us, that may seem as if you're a dangerous madman :-) and yet it's perfectly normal in your country
00:49 est31_ on trepca, there is a public forest which gets reset every now and then using //deteleblocks
00:49 Sokomine power flickering?
00:49 est31_ which triggers mapgen
00:49 miner67 i was wondering why when i play this game it spawns nothing but coal and cobble
00:49 VanessaE Sokomine: imho, to hell with honoring just a flag.  that's just dumb.
00:50 Sokomine est31: it ought to be deterministic i guess
00:50 est31_ there is a lake in which the players spawn, and the lake changes shape on every re-run of the mapgen
00:50 VanessaE miner67: add some good mods and make a new map.  plantlife and technic will add all kinds of stuff
00:50 VanessaE +moreores
00:50 est31_ in fact its a lake under a platform with a travelnet
00:50 Sokomine VanessaE: no, beeing afraid of people honoring the flag is a german thing. it was easy to say that removing the symbols would also remove the mentality. so the easy thing was done back in the past
00:50 est31_ sufficient depth is required
00:51 miner67 soi havetoadd mods to make the map better
00:51 Sokomine est31: that's strange. are there any other mods involved?
00:51 VanessaE Sokomine: well yeah I agree with that, but I stand by my statement that blindly honoring "a flag" is dumb.
00:51 est31_ Sokomine, I dont think there are any mapgen mods.
00:51 est31_ its mostly minetest_game
00:51 LazyJ My brother is active duty military. For him and his fellows, the flag means a lot. I just chose it as an example that I thought everyone would have an easier reference too.
00:51 Sokomine vanessae: that as well :-)
00:52 miner67 there is not trees
00:52 VanessaE for example, our schools strongly encourage our kids to recite the "pledge of allegiance", which starts out "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the US and to the republic for which it stands"...
00:52 Sokomine est31: a travelnet in a world that's generated by mapgen? it's doable, but i know of no such mod that places travelnets
00:52 VanessaE s/US/USA/
00:52 est31_ nono, the travelnet doesnt get generated by mapgen
00:53 est31_ the //deletenlocks just doesn't catch it :)
00:53 VanessaE miner67: don't use mapgen v7.
00:53 Sokomine LazyJ: diffrent cultures. and ours are still so similar we sometimes forget. gets more complicated with people from other cultures i'm afraid
00:54 Sokomine eleteenlocks?
00:54 LazyJ True.
00:54 Sokomine but you're right that it's not the symbols but what we make out of them
00:54 miner67 when kind of mods would you recommend for this game
00:54 Sokomine depends. what do you like, miner?
00:54 est31_ Sokomine, if you are interested you can join trepca server.
00:54 est31_ alket.mooo.com port 3000
00:55 est31_ 30000*
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00:55 miner67 i like trees grass and animals because there is none of that
00:55 alket is that what mrcraft reported ?
00:55 Sokomine est31: i'd rather like to hear more about your experiments. so far i tought mapgen always created the same landscape. at least core mapgen. mods are a diffrent matter. it does give me a headache to get the villages to be deterministic
00:56 Sokomine miner: use dreambuilder. that comes with mods from the eden modpack and creates a beautiful landscape. mobf is also very nice. it can be run alongside other mods that spawn more diffrent creatures
00:56 Sokomine i'm not up to date as to which mod comes with the most mobs. one has bees and the like - they're very nice
00:57 Sokomine for trees, moretrees is very fine. that's included in dreambuilder as well
00:57 miner67 ok thanks for the support :)
00:57 est31_ and there is still weird random blocks spawning, mostly loops
00:57 Sokomine loops?
00:57 Sokomine you mean - like stone loops?
00:57 Sokomine up in the air?
00:57 est31_ cobble and mossy cobble yes
00:58 Sokomine i sometimes have that as well. iirc that's a failed dungeon
00:58 est31_ are there actually dungeons? lol
00:58 Sokomine yes, you can enable them. they're connected rooms made out of cobble/mossy cobble. they're empty
00:59 Sokomine mobf has (had?) dungeon masters which came with their own dungeons
00:59 tim_flatus Yes that's a failed dungeon. I quite like them in an odd kind of way
00:59 Sokomine once, they had settled the whole area in a singleplayer world of mine. that was a bit much. sapier reduced the probability for their appearance, and i havn't seen one since
00:59 Inocudom I am just going to let you guys know right now. I heard that in the future, a license will be required for internet access. Seems like a few years off, but still.
01:00 Sokomine inocudom: there are a lot of politicions who seem to want that. still, it's not that far yet
01:00 Inocudom Why do the nastiest, most powerful windstorms have to happen at mkidnight?
01:01 tim_flatus I use a stripped down version of paramat's mapgen for v7 it works rather nicely.
01:01 Sokomine there might be a reason for that. the evening with it getting cooler might create wind. but i'm no expert
01:01 tim_flatus Yes temperature differentials
01:02 tim_flatus And cosmic rays, naturally ...
01:02 Sokomine and it might also be more impressive to hear a storm at night when you can't see too far
01:02 tim_flatus Like rain in a tent always sounds horrendous
01:02 Sokomine but those cosmic rays are the same day and night? probably even stronger during the day due to the sun shining?
01:02 tim_flatus And then you leave the tent and realise it's only softing
01:03 Sokomine oh yes. that might be a huge effect
01:03 tim_flatus I wasn't serious
01:03 Sokomine :-)
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01:04 Sokomine but we probably ought to find a way to cheer inocudom up. i don't know much about those storms...the weather is pretty tame over here most of the time
01:05 Inocudom The cheering up will have to wait till Monday. Right now, I am focused on surviving the cold.
01:06 Sokomine does it only feel cold, or is there a real threat?
01:07 Sokomine we once had a party in an empty house that was for sale. it was below zero outside - and the host did not know how to operate the heating system :-(. we ended up using the fireplace...the house had one. but it was still very cold, and i didn't move away too far from the fire
01:09 Hirato turn yourself into an android
01:10 Inocudom I thought Hurricane Sandy was the worst windstorm I ever experienced. What's out there right now rivals even that. I am experiencing the most powerful windstorm I have ever, ever seen in my life.
01:10 tim_flatus It's pretty natural to feel anxious when faced with survival issues
01:10 Hirato it's time to enter the nuclear bunker
01:11 Inocudom Thunderstorms are a joke. A pathetic joke. What's out there right now is the real deal.
01:12 tim_flatus And yeah we get it easy in Northern Europe ...
01:13 est31_ or central europe
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01:15 * Sokomine nods to tim_flatus and est31
01:16 Sokomine inocudom: over here, if there's a storm, most of the danger seems to arise form people beeing hit by falling branches, trees or shingle. inside the house, it's as save as ever
01:17 Inocudom Britain gets it pretty hard from what I hear.
01:17 tim_flatus We don't get real hurricanes
01:18 tim_flatus Particular;y not if you're inland
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01:23 VanessaE Inocudom: unless you've got a tornado about to rip through your house, I'm sure you're not experiencing anything particularly dangerous
01:24 Inocudom Yes, but the violence, the turbulance I am hearing out there right now... Only brief moments of thunderstorm rival it. Nothing else compares in my life.
01:24 VanessaE blah
01:25 VanessaE "That?  Those were just downdrafts and microbursts."
01:26 Inocudom How loud it is... How its very noise shakes the ground and the house. I remember nothing of the sort around here in the past, and such storms are becoming the norm.
01:26 VanessaE dude, I've wind gusts sounding like they wanna blow the house over, and limbs falling onto my roof right now.  Hell the power just blinked out for several seconds, a minute ago
01:26 tim_flatus Are you two in the same part of the sataes?
01:27 tim_flatus I can't type anymore ...
01:27 VanessaE tim_flatus: he is in Pennsylvania, I'm in Western North Carolina
01:28 Inocudom Oh, if only we could move. But where too? Fierce windstorms and earthquakes strike the Midwest, and the northwest has volcanoes and fierce storms. Doesn't matter where you go, every place has its devil.
01:28 tim_flatus My concept of distances in the states is a bit skewed.
01:28 Inocudom And yes, that is what the winds at my house sound like, VanessaE. Never seen anything like it before.
01:29 tim_flatus I assumed that someone from Dallas would have been to Austin, until someone explained that Texas is half the size of France
01:29 VanessaE tim_flatus: around 800 km between him and I
01:30 * tim_flatus does a quick mental calculation ...
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01:30 VanessaE Inocudom: I've seen it many times. I stood out on my balcony and watched as hurricane Charlie blew through my area in Florida at the time, 60 mph winds blowing things around
01:30 VanessaE tim_flatus: 490-odd miles.
01:30 tim_flatus Here to Edinburgh roughly speaking
01:30 Inocudom Yeah, but that's in Florida. That is normal there.
01:31 tim_flatus How exciting :-/
01:31 VanessaE Inocudom: yep, and when I was still living in the midwest, which is is where I was born and raised, tornadoes were the common thing there.
01:31 Inocudom That is not normal in Pennsylvania.
01:31 VanessaE (though I'd never want to meet up with one)
01:31 tim_flatus I did once get caught in a force 9 gale. That was quite weird.
01:31 VanessaE actually, it is normal in PA too, just rare.
01:32 VanessaE even NY got hit with a tornado recently.  Brooklyn, 2010.
01:43 tim_flatus Time to build something really strange
01:43 VanessaE ?
01:43 Inocudom Yep, here's the pressure bar map for the USA. Looking quite bad where I am at: http://www.usairnet.com/weather/m​aps/current/barometric-pressure/
01:49 tim_flatus OK I think I don't quite understand worldedit
01:50 tim_flatus I want to make a large hollow sphere very deep in the map. I thought I only needed to set //pos1 but apparently that's wrong
01:55 tim_flatus I think I have managed to make a solid sphere :/
01:56 tim_flatus nm
02:03 VanessaE oops, there went my power.
02:03 Sokomine tim_faltus: same here. it's all so far apart. they may say that it's close together, but...
02:04 VanessaE and it's back.
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02:04 Fatih_ Hello?
02:04 VanessaE hi.
02:05 Fatih_ Hey, can anyone help me? I found out about Minetest since I searched about if MCraft would be faster in C++ or C#.
02:05 Fatih_ As i found, I used a 256x TP and my game is pretty smooth compared to MC.
02:05 Sokomine ah. welcome, faith. we do think it is :-) at least on my machine
02:05 * VanessaE wonders which 256px pack it was ;)
02:06 Fatih_ Now, I have my PC running on Japanese Unicode since I play A LOT of JP games
02:06 Fatih_ (sphax)
02:06 VanessaE oh he
02:06 VanessaE heh
02:06 Fatih_ So, as I played for the first time, the game was in japanese.
02:06 Fatih_ So yeah, I'm wondering, how can i change it to english?
02:06 Sokomine vanessae: power failure? those are very rare over here. they happen sometimes, but usually it's in the night, and the only thing one notices (if anything) is that the clocks are blinking and wanting to be set...and the computer has rebooted
02:07 VanessaE Sokomine: yeah, it's pretty windy here.  of course, a squirrel could fart on the power line and it would go out :P
02:08 VanessaE Fatih_: minetest uses whatever your OS's locale is I guess
02:08 Fatih_ So Im gonna have to switch my locale? :(
02:08 VanessaE Fatih_: yep
02:08 Fatih_ Darn
02:09 VanessaE wait
02:09 Fatih_ Well, Since i recognise some japanese words, Ill try to find out on my own.
02:09 VanessaE you can override it I think
02:09 VanessaE language = en
02:09 VanessaE in minetest.conf
02:09 VanessaE or maybe US_en ?
02:09 VanessaE fiddle with that
02:09 Fatih_ Ah
02:09 VanessaE or en_us
02:10 VanessaE I forget what the official name is for it
02:10 VanessaE #    Override language. When no value is provided (default) system language is used.
02:10 VanessaE #    Check "locale" directory for the list of available translations.
02:10 Fatih_ nothing in the conf
02:11 Fatih_ Should I just remove all other locales in the folder?
02:11 Fatih_ or will i have no text?
02:11 VanessaE no need to remove anything, just add that setting to minetest.conf
02:12 VanessaE language = en_us  maybe
02:12 VanessaE or something like that
02:12 Fatih_ ill try
02:12 Fatih_ anywhere?
02:12 VanessaE anywhere in minetest.conf yeah
02:12 VanessaE at the end is find
02:13 Fatih_ ill use uk since i dont see anything similar to english
02:13 VanessaE try it and see :)
02:13 VanessaE is fine*
02:13 Fatih_ Yay! It worked!
02:13 VanessaE yay :)
02:14 Fatih_ Well, it works, but I keep saying character conversion failed... heh...
02:14 VanessaE you probably need to build against gettext or something
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02:15 Fatih_ Well, thanks anyways, Vanessa!
02:15 VanessaE of course I wonder if it isn't better to set your machine's locale back to normal and force Japanese locale in your other games instead
02:16 VanessaE meanwhile, file a bug report please
02:16 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new
02:17 Fatih_ What should I say though?
02:17 VanessaE Just write what you were trying to do, why your system is configured like it is, that you overrode the locale in minetest.conf, and that it resulted in those "conversion failed" errors
02:17 VanessaE (I've seen those before too, but not in this sort of situation)
02:18 VanessaE tell what works, what doesn't, and what you expected
02:18 VanessaE try to be thorough, give a brief rundown of how to reproduce the errors
02:21 est31 was japanese unicode born because of CJK unification?
02:21 Inocudom Yeah, this windstorm is downright wicked, and it will only get worse as the night goes on; it is a very long-lived one.
02:22 est31 unicode not uni at all :/
02:22 VanessaE noi idea
02:22 VanessaE -i
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02:40 est31 the minetest.delete_area isn't as safe as thought
02:41 est31 completely ruined my spawn area :(
02:41 est31 just wanted to restore some desert sand
02:42 est31 and the stupid thing just filled everything else too -- with dirt
02:42 * est31 is angry
02:42 VanessaE sounds like it triggered the mud reflow code?
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02:43 est31 mud reflow?
02:43 VanessaE yeah
02:43 est31 lol
02:43 VanessaE a terraforming routine that runs right after the initial terrain is generated
02:43 est31 awww
02:44 est31 and it even made trees
02:44 VanessaE it tries to "smooth" the terrain a bit, eliminating spikes and such
02:44 est31 but why do mud reflow for areas that didnt get deleted
02:44 est31 its just so bad
02:44 VanessaE because it goes off into neighboring blocks also
02:44 VanessaE idk how it works though
02:44 est31 everything ... covered in mud
02:45 est31 minetest.delete_area just isn't safe yet
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02:49 VanessaE "/deleteblocks here" seems to be reliable though
02:49 VanessaE just played around a bit with it
02:49 VanessaE even plantlife seems to work right with it :)
02:49 VanessaE (I think)
02:50 est31 it did remove the stuff
02:50 est31 but unfortunately also triggered mud reflow for areas it wasnt supposed to
02:50 VanessaE it reset the block to its natural state, then trees appeared (then plantlife went through and repopulated it)
02:50 VanessaE but I'm not working in a built area, just my test map
02:50 est31 do that in a built area
02:51 VanessaE no :)
02:51 est31 I mean it wasnt precisely a build area
02:51 est31 I just removed something from a desert
02:53 est31 and this has to happen with my shitty 64 k internet :(
02:55 est31 I'm impressed you can play MT at those internet speeds at all
02:56 est31 and mud reflow not just covers in mud, it actually removes stuff
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02:57 Bradford e_e
02:57 Bradford xd
02:57 Bradford Polsaker: xd
02:58 VanessaE est31: the "removes stuff" is probably cavegen griefing
02:58 est31 it got replaced by mud
02:58 VanessaE hm
02:59 est31 cavegen only replaces by air
02:59 est31 I had that too
02:59 VanessaE no idea then :)
02:59 JoeInNH Hi VanessaE.  I modified Pipeworks to pump lava through the normal pipes.  It works with spigot and furnace.  It also has flowing lava from the spigot.  Would like the changes
03:00 est31 its just a "feature" of mud reflow to actually replace with mud
03:00 VanessaE JoeInNH: as long as your changes were made against the new_flow_logic branch
03:00 VanessaE and are able to coexist with existing water-flow also
03:01 JoeInNH Unfortunately, I made the changes to the a copy of the main branch
03:01 VanessaE ok, well hold off for now then
03:01 JoeInNH and they can co exhist with the water
03:01 VanessaE est31: are you able to test that branch?
03:01 Inocudom This is a thornews video about Winter Storm Neptune. Turns out that it is linked to a 7.5 earthquake in the Atlantic Ridge somehow: http://youtu.be/uNG6Ay0eowA
03:01 est31 you know, you type some command and it takes effect about 3 minutes later. thats 64 kbps internet
03:01 est31 not now sorry
03:01 VanessaE ok
03:01 * est31 has to clean up dirt
03:02 VanessaE Inocudom: knock it off, man.  it's just a winter storm.  not the first, won't be the last, and it ain't gonna be tied to an earthquake in the Atlantic Ridge.
03:03 VanessaE JoeInNH: if you could, try the new_flow_logic branch.  see how it behaves (just with water - don't make any changes to it).  I need testers :)
03:04 VanessaE I'd like to merge that to master sometime soon - from my own testing, it's at least feature complete relative to master, but works tons better in general
03:05 Inocudom Bye.
03:06 JoeInNH The way I changed it treats it seperately.  I will take a look at the new_flow_logic branch.   I believe I only changes 6 files (pipes, init, devices, flowing_logic, autoplace_pipes, and compat)
03:07 VanessaE wow, yeah you're gonna end up having to completely rewrite your lava upgrade for the other branch, as THAT branch is itself a complete rewrite of the flowing logic.
03:08 VanessaE anyway make sure you're at HEAD in both branches and that you have 0.4.11 (or better, a recent dev build)
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03:09 coihue Hi people. Got MT 0.4.11 in ubuntu 14.04, doesnt get fullscreen
03:09 coihue how can I fix it?
03:11 JoeInNH I amtesting it on 4.11, but I don't have git installed on my windows system, so I just grabbed a zip file and tagged it with the date & time I grabbed it.
03:12 JoeInNH It's nice seeing a furnace with 99 blocks of lavain it
03:12 VanessaE coihue: minetest.conf,  fullscreen = true
03:12 VanessaE (I think)
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03:19 JoeInNH night everyone.
03:41 est31 today's lesson dont play around with minetest.delete_area
03:41 tim_flatus weird bug, Several new players have spawned at 0, 0, 0 despite spawn being set differently. Has anyone encountered this?
03:41 VanessaE tim_flatus: yeah, known glitch
03:41 VanessaE not sure why it happens
03:42 Sokomine character conversion failed? common sight on servers
03:42 tim_flatus The one who emerged fully claimed to be on a proper minetest client too
03:42 tim_flatus What does that mean Sokomine?
03:43 tim_flatus OK I'll have to do something to accommodate it I guess
03:44 Sokomine est31: mapchunks intersect a bit. they're usually 80x80x80 (5 mapblocks), but overlap 1 mapblock in each direction, so they go 16 nodes at each side into already generated terrain
03:44 est31 but minetest.delete_area only removes mapblocks, doesnt it
03:45 tim_flatus nm I can google
03:48 Sokomine tim_flatus: i'm not sure. i thought it might be umlaute and other national characters
03:48 Sokomine est31: hmm. and then they're gone, and need to be generated again?
03:48 est31 no, they just got covered in dirt
03:49 est31 and trees were planted too
03:50 est31 and actually there is some mod playing with mapgen: tenplus1's farming mod
03:50 est31 just not sure whether that one is determinsistic
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04:16 tim_flatus Both characters had names in standard latin script. I built a stairway.
04:16 tim_flatus And a sign Douglas Adams would have beenproud of ;-)
04:18 ekem beward of the leopard
04:18 tim_flatus Right
04:19 tim_flatus Anyway gute nacht and nos da zzzz
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04:25 grendal_prime hey daughter and her friends are playing a game, she is hosting (they are scattered all over the house)  The daughter can fly, but the visitors to her world can not. is there a way to turn that on for everyone?
04:25 est31 grendal_prime, you can either try to do /grant playername fly
04:26 est31 or you can turn off the game and edit the auth.txt and turn it back on
04:26 grendal_prime hmm how do i get the terminal on that game?
04:26 MinetestBot [git] Uberi -> Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #72 from HybridDog/globalfix https:/ http://git.io/NiuI (2015-02-14T23:25:20-05:00)
04:26 MinetestBot [git] HybridDog -> Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: fix an error message https:/ http://git.io/NiuL (2015-02-14T23:10:21+01:00)
04:26 est31 just type t or f10
04:26 grendal_prime thanks ill give it a shot
04:26 est31 f10 is more terminallike
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04:37 grendal_prime cool that worked thanks, i forgot at first you have to press k but kid figured that out
04:39 est31 you can also set a "default_privs =" value in minetest.conf, but that only is effective for new players
04:41 grendal_prime ya i think we are done. they are building a hugeass castle..and everyone gets their own hottub. (14 year old girls)
04:41 grendal_prime horses on each side of the castle, corvette in every garage.
04:44 grendal_prime No dirty dishes or even sinks for that matter.  massive flat, patio roof on top of the castle with a basketball cort and swimming pool. No supports underneath (someone needs to build a " structural reality check" module for this thing man.
04:45 est31 it enables to be more creative
04:45 est31 would make game harder otherwiser
04:46 grendal_prime ya, but..well...lets face it..it sucks when you work hard on something and your kids says, "well i built an entire castle in mintest and everything was totally simple dad!"
04:47 est31 flying is simple too in minetest
04:47 grendal_prime I have to admit though my daughters spacial awareness has greatly increased.
04:48 grendal_prime and we were poring some concrete the other day  putting in a fence post and she says..."wait, that hole is round?  ooooh ya, we can do that in this world!"
04:48 grendal_prime and dude it was a total moment, she actually had a "awww snap" about it and everything.
04:49 est31 lol
04:50 grendal_prime Shes funny as hell like that.
04:53 grendal_prime I was talking to this other parrent the other day about here ..and she she tells me,  "you know my daughter was telling me how cool your daughter is the other day . she said  " ya gracie just says words, they are not real words, i swear she makes them up on the spot! thing is everybody knows what shes talking about. We tell her all the time, (hey thats not a word) but she just says she doesnt care and goes on doin
04:53 grendal_prime g whatever the hell.
04:53 grendal_prime hehehe
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04:57 est31 ShadowNinja, I'm not so sure anymore whether I really want the //deleteblocks command in worldedit anymore.
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04:58 est31 people like me might just use it, and then comes mud reflow, and destroys everything :[
04:58 grendal_prime hey guys
05:00 grendal_prime i teach at a charter school and the mentioned something about a minecraft educational edition. Like teching class in a minecraft environment. Have you guys heard of this and is this something minetest might be able to leverage?
05:01 grendal_prime it seems pretty whacky but minecraftedu
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05:20 est31 mud reflow grief mostly repaired
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05:46 est31 are old rollback logs deeted, or do I have to do this myself?
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06:02 danthemango How is Minetest on Android doing?
06:03 danthemango Nobody tried it? ok then
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06:27 Xenoth danthemango: It seems alright to me. Haven't updated my android build in a while. I'm on a 7 inch tablet.
06:28 danthemango oh cool, thanks
06:28 danthemango I guess I should try it out. Are there controls on the screen?
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06:50 bleak_fire_ hi
06:51 bleak_fire_ there is an individual who is hacking servers to manipulate spawn locations and steal from protected areas
06:51 bleak_fire_ his name is "TriGer_Fear" and he has been harassing me on vitaminx's "pizza server" for a week now
06:51 bleak_fire_ but he just started hacking
06:51 bleak_fire_ i am trying to get a hold of someone who can ban him
06:54 bleak_fire_ home locations
06:54 bleak_fire_ i mean
06:54 bleak_fire_ like he will change it so he can keep pk'ing you
06:54 bleak_fire_ i thjink he actually did change the spawn location for me
06:55 CaveJohnson hi :)
06:55 bleak_fire_ hi
06:56 bleak_fire_ do you know? because i am incredibly pissed off
06:56 bleak_fire_ this guy has absolutely no life
06:56 bleak_fire_ oh yeah
06:56 bleak_fire_ he can also modify your teleport privileges
06:57 bleak_fire_ so you can only teleport to certain people, or not at all
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07:13 CaveJohnson i don't, sorry bleak_fire_
07:15 bleak_fire_ have you heard of anyone being able to do that?
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07:23 bleak_fire_ well i just pm'ed vitaminx via the forum
07:24 bleak_fire_ hopefully he'll take care of this fucker
07:24 bleak_fire_ :)
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07:25 bleak_fire_ hey do you know how to make the single-player mode not lose your items when you fall?
07:25 Krock disable the bones or disable damage
07:25 bleak_fire_ i found most of pizza's mods on the site and installed them
07:25 bleak_fire_ how do you disable bones?
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07:26 Krock Comment out this line https://github.com/minetest/minetest_ga​me/blob/master/mods/bones/init.lua#L144
07:26 bleak_fire_ i'd rather have damage but not lose the items e.g. if i fall
07:26 Krock and the "end" two lines below
07:27 bleak_fire_ is there any easy way when you're using windows binaries? i dont have linux on my desktop anymore
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07:28 bleak_fire_ also, does "disable damage" affect falls?
07:29 bleak_fire_ wait i see the lua is in the directory
07:29 Krock disable damage disables all damage
07:29 bleak_fire_ but there's no "mods/bones" directory
07:29 Krock yes, open the file with notepad++ or similar
07:30 Krock the "bones" directory should be in your subgame directory\mods\
07:30 Krock Otherwise, you're using an other mod, like dropondie
07:31 bleak_fire_ \games\minetest_game\mods\bones
07:34 Krock depends if you use minetest_game or something else
07:34 Krock I guessed you do, thus, I've sent you that link to the official codes
07:35 bleak_fire_ i commented it out, let me try
07:55 bleak_fire_ yep that did it thank you
07:55 bleak_fire_ goodnight
07:55 bleak_fire_ time for bed
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08:37 MinetestBot [git] ngosang -> minetest/minetest: Updated Spanish translations 5eb0eda http://git.io/Nihq (2015-02-15T09:36:28+01:00)
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09:32 Krock sofar, almost done with my forum topic fetch script :D
09:33 Krock no no
09:33 Krock so far
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10:05 Krock http://i.imgur.com/AQde0Js.png
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11:03 alket is there a Letter mod , like A,B,C etc ?
11:04 ElectronLibre There is a mod called "classroom" or "learning" by sfan5 I think, there are letters and numbers written on nodes in it.
11:04 fishyWET https://github.com/Amaz1/letters
11:04 alket thanks
11:05 sfan5 ElectronLibre: "teaching"
11:06 sfan5 alket: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-teaching
11:06 Krock how about alphabet?
11:06 ElectronLibre Ah, thanks, I knew it was about that.
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11:24 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Only do the IPv6 unit test if IPv6 is enabled 3b6b943 http://git.io/NPrv (2015-02-15T12:20:37+01:00)
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11:41 alket which one is better, fishyWET or sfan5 ?
11:41 alket i mean the mods
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12:05 sfan5 alket: my mod does a bit more than just letters
12:07 alket thanks
12:16 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix unit test if there isn't a localhost address (for example FreeBSD jails) a3e2b3e http://git.io/NPQv (2015-02-15T13:11:03+01:00)
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12:36 sfan5 alket: here's a video of the mod in action http://meow.minetest.net/tmp/ph_GCppPdO5C.mp4
12:37 alket sfan5: indeed, this is much better
12:37 alket thanks
12:38 Krock sfan5, wut? localhost is on version 0.4.7 and client on 0.4.9
12:39 sfan5 huh
12:39 sfan5 didn't even notice that
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13:20 VanessaE good morning.
13:20 ElectronLibre Hello VanessaE.
13:21 VanessaE hey
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13:34 est31 VanessaE, read mt-technic backlog, managed to test pipeworks
13:35 est31 found 3 flow logic related issues 2 general ones :)
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13:37 VanessaE est31: ok
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14:22 alket is there any kind of maping ?
14:22 alket like minimap etc
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14:26 rubenwardy Hi all!
14:33 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix unit test if there isn't a localhost address (for example FreeBSD jails), second part 8aebc31 http://git.io/NXuw (2015-02-15T14:30:34Z)
14:36 Krock rubenwardy, u has got a reply
14:36 rubenwardy Huh?
14:37 rubenwardy What do you mean?
14:38 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopi​c.php?f=14&amp;t=10149&amp;start=25
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14:51 rubenwardy I saw that, Krock. Is the source for the bot anywhere?
14:51 alket is it possible to have a live feed of audio inside game xD
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15:00 est31 about the mapping, yes there is a way
15:00 est31 search for "VanessaE survival server", you will find a map of VE's in the forum post
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15:03 alket should we install it in our server ?
15:03 luizrpgluiz hi
15:05 est31 its only external, nothing in-game
15:12 alket ah , great
15:14 luizrpgluiz alket: hi,you create mod?
15:14 alket what do you mean luizrpgluiz
15:32 luizrpgluiz alket: if you create mods
15:33 alket I never did one
15:33 alket although I know lua, i did some projects with love2d
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15:59 * NekoGloop throws a kitten at rubenwardy
16:00 * rubenwardy throws a capybara at NekoGloop
16:03 Jordach purr
16:05 est31 Jordach, watch out you dont get a DMCA takedown request!
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16:05 ElectronLibre Be careful Jordach by purring you could be thrown by mistake as a kitten.
16:06 est31 or get flagged
16:06 est31 by YT
16:06 est31 as infringing
16:06 est31 https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-flags-cat-p​urring-as-copyright-infringing-music-150211/
16:07 Jordach est31, tl;dr don't use younoob
16:08 est31 or dont purr
16:08 Jordach *opens spotify*
16:09 Jordach u wot m8
16:09 Jordach >there is a problem with your audio system
16:09 ElectronLibre YT flagging cats purring as copyright material, just insanely perfect.
16:10 est31 suits their bd
16:10 Jordach brb - need a force reboot
16:10 ElectronLibre (Or maybe, purr-fect.)
16:11 * ElectronLibre wins the award for the worst pun ever.
16:11 est31 purr* FTFY
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16:14 SylvieLorxu ElectronLibre: Let me guess, sounded too much like Skrillex?
16:15 ElectronLibre Skrillex? Never heard about this, what is it?
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16:16 Jordach nice job there AMD
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16:32 est31 can anyboy explain me the line containing "VACUUM" in this file: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobb​ies/minetest/Server-scripts/backup-server.sh
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17:06 olibec Bonjour tout le monde
17:07 olibec j'aimerais poser quelques questions de noob, c'est possible ?
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17:08 ElectronLibre olibec, sur #minetest-fr en français oui.
17:08 ElectronLibre Ou ici en anglais.
17:08 olibec merci !
17:31 rubenwardy It would be cool to do a collab youtube video.
17:31 Calinou we could have a cool trailer, with nice music
17:31 Calinou it'd be mostly traveling in nature and player builds
17:31 Calinou and showing off some mods
17:31 Calinou it could be featured on minetest.net homepage
17:32 Calinou videos on homepage are great to bring people
17:33 rubenwardy I wrote a script and started making it, but gave up because of painfulness.
17:33 rubenwardy No good video editor
17:34 rubenwardy I'll dig it up
17:34 alket openshot
17:34 alket http://www.openshot.org/
17:34 rubenwardy That's the one that has the reputation for crashing?
17:35 rubenwardy I use kdelive, but it is painful when doing different resolutions and cropping
17:35 rubenwardy Oh, I've just moved to xfce. Can I still do kdelive? :O
17:36 rubenwardy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CxeUQROl3NkS​GsLpZ2_U-paaBGLzK-mbr6aZzekwPJ8/edit?usp=sharing
17:37 * ElectronLibre remembers the time when minetest freezed your player whenever you got disconnected.
17:38 ElectronLibre It could be great if the client showed you a notification whenever there is no packet received since, let's say, 50 seconds..
17:38 rubenwardy Maybe ten seconds
17:39 ElectronLibre Yes, why not, I've never been reconnected after 30 seconds, 10 I've already been.
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18:03 rubenwardy Calinou, it would be cool to start a 3 week competition to get resources for an official Minetest trailer, to involve the community.
18:06 Calinou I have tons of free/libre music
18:06 Calinou rubenwardy, please, use something other than Google Drive
18:06 Calinou and its Obscurscript
18:06 rubenwardy I created that other a year ago. What would you suggest?
18:06 rubenwardy over
18:06 Calinou an Etherpad is enough
18:06 Calinou http://pad.riseup.net/ hosts some
18:07 Calinou hmm, pads not edited for 30 days ago away
18:07 Calinou https://public.pad.fsfe.org/ this one probably doesn't do it, but has no titles
18:08 rubenwardy https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/minetest-trailer
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18:09 Calinou I'll put links to some music
18:09 Calinou you're probably not gonna like it though 8)
18:10 rubenwardy It can't have singing in it, IMO
18:10 Calinou I have instrumental music
18:10 rubenwardy But suggest away
18:10 rubenwardy Excellent
18:11 Calinou we don't necessarily need speaking in video
18:11 Calinou Minecraft had a video for a while, that had zero speaking
18:11 Calinou the one made for Beta 1.0
18:11 Calinou it should still be available on YouTube
18:12 rubenwardy That is true, but it is harder to get the idea of customisation and modding across.
18:12 rubenwardy Although it is better for foreign languages
18:12 rubenwardy We could graphically show how easy it is
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18:13 rubenwardy And have a section where we repeatly install mods and show how the world varies. (we'd need a nice multiplayer world, and maybe time lapse)
18:13 Christopher-Were Hi. I'm having a little trouble understanding how to install player skins on Linux Minetest. Please would anyody be able to help me?
18:13 rubenwardy It would be cool to have splines and camera recording in Minetest at full HD.
18:14 Calinou use external recorders
18:14 Calinou built-in recorder is useful, but not necessary
18:14 Christopher-Were OBS works a treat for recording
18:14 Calinou also tricky to make and bloats the game
18:14 Calinou I use SimpleScreenRecorder
18:14 Calinou OBS is tricky to use
18:14 Calinou Christopher-Were, you need to use a mod to apply player skins on players
18:14 rubenwardy You'd need a 1080p screen in height
18:14 Christopher-Were SimpleScreenRecorder is good. OBS is till in alpha
18:14 rubenwardy to do 1080HD
18:15 Calinou this one is simple: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?​f=11&amp;t=3587&amp;hilit=player_textures
18:15 Calinou I have a 1080p screen
18:15 rubenwardy Okay. Cool.
18:16 rubenwardy How laggy is moving the player and orientation using a mod?
18:17 rubenwardy In terms of making a camera follow a preset path
18:17 ElectronLibre What? I exited minetest while my server was removing objects and I've got an error from builtin.
18:17 Calinou you can't smooth player orientation movement
18:17 Calinou so, don't count on it
18:17 Calinou I'd like a smooth mouse setting
18:17 Calinou although there could be system tools to emulate it regardless
18:19 rubenwardy Should I create a github issue about it to gain suggestions?
18:20 Calinou yeah, call it “Video-making options”
18:20 Calinou smooth mouse, freecam (should probably require noclip privilege)
18:20 Calinou freecam = move camera independently of player
18:20 Calinou also lock cam (move player, but not camera)
18:21 Calinou https://github.com/ether/etherpad-li​te/wiki/Sites-that-run-Etherpad-Lite
18:21 Christopher-Were Thanks for the help Calinou, but after following the instructions the player textures still don't show
18:22 Calinou Christopher-Were, you need to name the textures with exact, case-sensitive player name
18:23 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2323
18:25 Christopher-Were I've made sure of that Calinou but still no luck I'm afraid
18:25 rubenwardy You installed and named correctly? (see /mods)
18:26 Christopher-Were I've got a texture pack installed and the player model from the texture pack doesn't show up either
18:26 rubenwardy the mod correctly
18:26 Christopher-Were but all the other textures do
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18:29 Christopher-Were I'm sure I'll get there eventually, it's just these intructions aren't very straightforward
18:34 Calinou the mod is enabled?
18:38 Christopher-Were I think so, it says it's installed
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18:41 Christopher-Were Oh it was installed but not enabled. Silly me
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18:42 Christopher-Were Thank you all for being so patient with me.
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18:57 rubenwardy Calinou, did I explain smooth camera sufficiently
18:59 Calinou Minecraft has a smooth camera mode (F8)
18:59 Calinou it would work very similarly
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19:45 Christopher-Were Are there any guides or repos where i could get a hold of some player skins?
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19:45 rubenwardy !g minetest avatar skin database
19:45 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8524
19:46 rubenwardy no
19:46 rubenwardy !g minetest skin database
19:46 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/
19:46 rubenwardy That's it
19:46 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2325
19:46 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Add camera smoothing by rubenwardy · Pull Request #2325 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
19:46 rubenwardy Calinou ^
19:47 Christopher-Were thanks ill take a look
19:51 Christopher-Were Just so you guys know. It's really difficult determining what info in out of date and which is still relevant on the wiki
19:58 Calinou rubenwardy, nice
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20:14 rubenwardy http://youtu.be/wCkFRsCM0UY
20:14 rubenwardy Calinou ^
20:14 rubenwardy !title
20:14 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Camera Smoothing in Minetest - YouTube
20:15 rubenwardy gtg
20:15 * Calinou youtube-dl
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21:04 Azelphur I just got minetest running on my watch, hehehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MItj9AJbP4
21:05 alket Azelphur: haha nice :)
21:06 alket wait .. smart watchs are real ?
21:06 Azelphur indeed, I'm going to a gaming convention soon too, so tempted to skin it up to look like Minecraft and confuse a bunch of kids saying I have Minecraft on my watch
21:07 Azelphur alket: yes?
21:07 VanessaE yeah, they usually use a smartphone for the actual computing power though
21:07 Azelphur VanessaE: yes, but amusingly all android wear devices are actually running android underneath (with a bunch of stuff stripped out)
21:07 VanessaE Azelphur: adjust your gui_scaling setting minetest.conf and you should be able to get everything to size/fit right on the screen
21:07 Azelphur so as long as you aren't loading android UI libraries or anything, it'll run on the watch directly
21:08 VanessaE setting in*
21:08 Azelphur VanessaE: haha no way, well have to adb back in and try it out. Where would that be on android?
21:08 VanessaE I'm not sure off the top of my head, but you can also adjust it in the main menu, "Settings" tab - at least on PC
21:08 VanessaE but you may not be able to actually click on it if the UI is oversized there
21:09 Azelphur yea, those tabs aren't on the screen at all - no chance ;)
21:09 VanessaE and don't use adb to hack into it, just install a text editor like JOTA or so.
21:12 Azelphur VanessaE: in order to do that I'd need a keyboard as well, Android wear has the keyboard stuff stripped out.
21:13 VanessaE oh right :P
21:13 VanessaE in that case, adb away ;)
21:13 VanessaE (I only just got my first smartphone a few months ago, nevermind having a smartwatch)
21:14 Azelphur hehe
21:15 VanessaE of course that kinda begs the question:  how do you search for apps to install, without a keyboard to type in queries with? :)
21:15 VanessaE (seriously, how DOES that work?)
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21:38 Levan Good People of IRC chat, I have a question :)
21:39 catninja Levan: I hope it is not about the storm of neptune
21:40 Levan As far as internet information goes Minetest is the best open source alternative for minecraft,(I LOVE OPENSOURCE) So what I want to know is what is the difference between this two "games" because I really could not find a solid piece of information on this
21:40 Levan @catninja What is that ??
21:41 VanessaE Levan: Minetest is its own unique, independent game engine written in C and C++, with Lua for the actual game content, while Minecraft is all Java I guess, so they're basically about as different under the hood as they can get :)
21:42 catninja Levan: sorry it was just some dude here yesterday that apparently drove the special bus, and I did not recognise you nick and feared for the worst ^^
21:42 VanessaE gameplay is similar, with similar recipes, but when you start throwing mods into the mix, everything changes
21:43 VanessaE but Minetest ships with a fairly basic default "subgame" called minetest_game, with the expectation that you'll add mods to it to get the content you want
21:43 catninja Levan: yeah minetest is more of a "choose your own adventure" than minecraft
21:43 VanessaE yeah, that's one way to put it
21:44 VanessaE you can for example install custom subgames like Nodetopia, Dreambuilder, Carbone, and there are a bunch of others
21:44 VanessaE each one behaves differently
21:44 catninja and Lord of the test if you are a lotr fan
21:44 VanessaE yep that one too
21:44 VanessaE Realtest is another, Big Freaking Dig is another
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21:45 VanessaE or you can just stick to minetest_fame and add a bunch of mods to it to customize it however you like.
21:46 Levan @VanessaE Thank you for the reply, but as far as I never got into the minecraft, I do not understand a lot about it, so the default features are the same and minecraft has a single player ( i remember it did not have one, it was all about exploring or something. did not it).So basically minetest does not have single player and minecraft has ??
21:46 Levan @catninja OO I see :)
21:46 VanessaE minetest has singleplayer mode too
21:46 VanessaE that's where subgames and mods are useful
21:47 catninja Levan: but if you connect to a server the mods and games is choosen by the person hosting the server
21:47 VanessaE in multiplayer mode, the server you connect to decides what game or mods are in use (and it controls them - you don't have to install anything)
21:47 catninja VanessaE: (ops sorry)
21:47 VanessaE heh, two minds, same answer :)
21:48 Levan @VanessaE @catninja  minecraft has a story mode or something ?? and Default minetest does not ?? so that is the difference right now ?
21:48 VanessaE Levan: that's a good assessment
21:48 catninja VanessaE: well I should let you speak first since you have the most experience ^^
21:48 VanessaE but that's only one difference really
21:48 VanessaE I don't know anything about minecraft's story mode whatever that is
21:49 VanessaE except that there's some "the end" level
21:49 VanessaE with a big dragon or something
21:49 VanessaE minetest does not have a mode like that, but making a subgame geared toward that is probably doable.
21:50 VanessaE the game content is Lua, so anything you can code in Lua can probably run in Minetest as long as you can make the modding API do what you want
21:51 Levan @VanessaE  @catninja Thank you guise for very useful information :) wish you the best of luck. I am going to grab the minetest now :) again thank you for the information
21:51 VanessaE have fun! :)
21:51 Levan :)
21:52 Azelphur VanessaE: you install apps from your phone
21:52 Azelphur generally don't use the watch for that :P
21:52 VanessaE ah
21:52 Azelphur that said, the watch does have voice input that works reasonably well
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21:53 ulla hi
21:53 Azelphur VanessaE: the best thing I've seen so far is some guy installed dosbox and had it running Windows 95 XD
21:53 VanessaE hah
21:54 Azelphur ulla: hello
21:54 VanessaE well have fun with it
21:54 VanessaE bbl
21:54 ulla t i have a little problem whit my server
21:56 ulla i have set my modem net gear 2200 i have added string in .conf the server is announced but  the ip is 0.0.0.0.0 30000
21:56 Trixar_za Azelphur: How? Dosbox can't run 32bit systems. The best you can do is Windows 3.x with Calmira to make it look like Windows 95 or XP
21:57 Trixar_za http://trixarian.net/doswin.png - http://trixarian.net/doswin2.png
21:58 Azelphur Trixar_za: not sure actually, I thought it was Dosbox, now I'm not sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZx-LJH5J_I
21:59 ulla tpls someone can help me?
21:59 Azelphur Trixar_za: nah it says in the video he's using Adosbox
22:00 Trixar_za No, that's Windows 95 alright - how the hell
22:00 Trixar_za Now I want to try
22:01 Azelphur so you're a fellow guy who likes to try and install stupid stuff on watches
22:01 Trixar_za No, I'm the kind of guy that likes to do crazy stuff like install OSes in game emulators like dosbox :P
22:02 Azelphur ah hehe
22:02 Trixar_za installing*
22:02 Azelphur Trixar_za: I had a friend once that was pretty funny, he was running a NES emulator on a Gamecube emulator on a PC :)
22:03 Trixar_za Maybe the 16bit limit is a Windows 3.x thing and not a Dosbox issue
22:03 Trixar_za lol
22:03 Trixar_za I've run ScummVM on my phone and once on a friend's N64
22:04 chrisf Trixar_za: sure it can. [32bit support]. otherwise most later dos stuff wouldnt work either.
22:04 Trixar_za ... had to make a custom catridge for that last one.
22:04 Azelphur nice
22:05 Trixar_za No, those dos games used a 32bit enviroment that encased the game executable. That's how they got past that dos limitation.
22:05 Trixar_za Still, it should be possible if the OS supports it natively and doesn't need an external library to give it that ability
22:06 Trixar_za I wonder if long names work
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22:09 Trixar_za http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=24936
22:09 Trixar_za Interesting - still you need to create hard drive images to force support
22:10 Azelphur hehe
22:11 Trixar_za Wait Wait
22:11 Trixar_za You can do it with Windows 98?
22:13 Trixar_za Because I don't need to go looking for a damn Windows 95 iso if that's the case - lol
22:14 Azelphur Trixar_za: huh?
22:15 Trixar_za I have the Win 98 SE cd
22:17 Azelphur I don't have a Windows 95 ISO laying about :P
22:17 Trixar_za ... apparently there's a version of dosbox for even my ancient phone. Now to resist the urge to install Winodws on it
22:18 Trixar_za me either - I'd have to buy or download it  :/
22:18 Trixar_za So installing Win98 is more convient since I already have it
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22:27 ulla PLS help
22:28 ulla now i can connect in my server but no view in minetest list or client list?
22:29 ulla pls
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22:32 ulla t pls help now i can connect in my server 93-42-171-123.ip87.fastwebnet.it  but him is invisible in minetest server list and in client list on the game how is possible?
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22:53 ulla t no help for me ?
22:54 shadowzone o.O
22:54 shadowzone pastebin your minetest.conf
22:54 ulla O-O
22:55 ulla O_o
22:55 ulla ?
22:56 ulla shadow yo help me pls?
22:56 shadowzone Maybe..
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22:57 ulla i have create a server now i can connect but i no view him in the list of server
22:58 shadowzone well can I see your minetest.conf?
22:59 ulla 93-42-171-123.ip87.fastwebnet.it this is adress
22:59 ulla i have set .conf
23:00 ulla server_announce = true My server = ITALIAN server By UllA server_description = ulla server server_address =  93-42-171-123.ip87.fastwebnet.it
23:01 shadowzone try adding public_serverlist = true
23:01 ulla after server_announce?
23:02 shadowzone Anywhere
23:02 ulla ok i try
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23:04 ulla online now but invisible
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23:08 ulla 93-42-171-123.ip87.fastwebnet.it if you wold can try connect ?pls . I HAVE connect whit my other minetest
23:08 shadowzone port please?
23:09 ulla 30000
23:10 shadowzone I can't connect
23:11 ulla is possible the problem is my provvider
23:11 ulla fastweb?
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23:12 shadowzone I dunno
23:13 ulla ok ty too
23:13 ulla i retry tomorrow
23:15 ulla however it is strange I can not connect from the same PC with another minetest I installed 2 to try
23:17 ulla lol google translate i can connect :-)
23:18 catninja ulla: are you swedish?
23:19 ulla ita
23:22 ulla bb all
23:22 catninja ulla: ah, ulla is a swedish name
23:23 ulla isnt my name
23:23 ulla is my nickname in real life
23:24 catninja aha, thx anyway and good night ^^
23:24 ulla t np a more time
23:24 ulla tgood night
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