Time Nick Message 00:34 luizrpgluiz hi 00:36 luizrpgluiz Taoki: hi 00:36 Taoki hi 02:27 fireglow meow 02:35 est31 ~seen VanessaE 02:35 ShadowBot est31: I saw VanessaE in #minetest 1 day, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 58 seconds ago saying "but what he can do with the download, I don't know" 03:17 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zeno- -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix Android compile warning 1366efaaa http://git.io/NnZK (152015-02-12T13:16:38+10:00) 03:36 OldCoder VanessaE Zeno` compunerd do you happen to have Firefox 35 and a headset with a mike (either regular audio or USB) ? 03:36 VanessaE nope 03:37 Zeno` OldCoder, yes 03:37 Zeno` oh... mic... no :( 03:38 OldCoder No big deal 03:38 * OldCoder wants to try out the free phone built into Firefox 35 03:38 OldCoder Pick up one of the headsets sometime. This looks fun. It supports free video calls too. 03:39 Zeno` phone? 03:40 compunerd I do have Firefox 35.0.1 and a mic built into my webcam... Didn't know there was a phone built into the browser... This should be interesting 03:40 * Zeno` has picked up his headset 03:40 Tesseract WebRTC-based, as I expected. 03:41 Tesseract Google's had apprtc.appspot.com or so up for a while now, but it's fairly basic. 03:42 Zeno` Does Chrome have Emacs built into it though? 03:42 Zeno` I bet not! 03:42 compunerd Is it this, "Truecaller" in the apps section? 03:43 Tesseract Zeno`: But emacs already has chrome built in! That would be recursive, and the people with finite storage complained. killjoys. 03:43 Zeno` hmm.. that is a problem isn't it 03:44 Tesseract compunerd: It's apparently called "Hello." 03:46 OldCoder Does somebody wish to try this? 03:46 OldCoder If so, if you have USB headset, a small change is needed 03:52 compunerd OldCoder, Check PM 04:13 OldCoder compunerd, k 04:29 Erthome OldCoder are you out here? 04:30 OldCoder Erthome, I have PMd 04:31 OldCoder See PM PLs 06:17 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Enable LUA_USE_POSIX if possible in bundled Lua 13b2f3ffe http://git.io/NnAe (152015-02-12T16:14:12+10:00) 06:40 LazyJ VanessaE, I noticed there is no issue posted on GitHub about nerzhul's network patch. Were the problems your servers were experiencing earlier caused by something unique only to your setups? 07:03 est31 LazyJ, ask on #minetest-dev nerzhul is online right now 07:03 jbb da 07:03 jbb hallo 07:05 LazyJ est31, unfortunately I don't have enough info on what happened to be of use. VanessaE would have logs and other insights that could aid in solving the problem. 07:07 LazyJ However, as a server-op, because of those problems, I am concerned and am holding off on upgrading. 07:15 LazyJ Ah. Just remembered... VanessaE used a pull request that nerzhul posted to fix the problem but that "fix" is still sitting as a pull request. Perhaps more priority would be placed on it's review and approval if the devs had info on what happened with VanessaE's servers? 07:47 VanessaE LazyJ: yes, the problem was due to a pull request, which nerzhul has since revised. that revised pull has been in place since the last restart almost 24 hours ago 07:49 VanessaE actually no 07:50 VanessaE not 24 hours, considerably less 07:50 VanessaE tit went in around 11:20am EST 07:50 VanessaE it* 07:50 LazyJ Thanks, VanessaE. I'm a bit confused by the way the branches are arranged now. I saw celeron55's recent post on the forums about having a feature freeze branch separate from the main branch. The version numbering seems backwards though. The commits posted for 0.4.11 seem to be more like fixes than new features. 07:52 LazyJ Time will sort it out eventually. 07:53 VanessaE I'm not entirely sure what the plan is with the two branches 07:53 VanessaE so I'll just let the core devs hash it out :) 07:53 LazyJ We went through something like this before when minetest_game was split into four or five different sub-game-like components. 07:53 VanessaE oh no, this is different 07:54 VanessaE this is more like one branch for stable development + bugfixes, the other for stuff that's progressive but could break things? 07:54 VanessaE I'm not sure 07:54 LazyJ Me neither. 07:55 LazyJ The engine's higher version number is several commits behind the lower version number. 07:55 VanessaE that doesn't mean much on its own 07:56 Megaf Hi all 07:56 Megaf Hi VanessaE 07:56 VanessaE hi 07:56 LazyJ No, but if I were just coming into Minetest through GitHub I'd wonder which I was to start a server with. 07:56 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf ;) 07:57 Megaf heya 07:57 VanessaE LazyJ: good question 07:57 Megaf I have finally installed Quassel Client again here so I could connect back 07:57 LazyJ I'm a bit concerned that despite the engine's branch split, things will continue with new bells-and-whistles being added but few persistent problems being fixed. 07:57 VanessaE I would guess "freeze-0.4.12", then "stable-0.4" once it goes out? 07:59 LazyJ I don't envy celeron55. Herding cats comes to mind. 07:59 VanessaE the way I understand it, master branch is being used as a sort of "staging area" for stuff that's to be made part of 0.4.12 (and presumably pushed to "freeze-0.4.12") 08:01 VanessaE but since it's in feature-freeze, well, no new features are allowed in :) 08:01 LazyJ So is "freeze-0.4.12" the one to use for server upgrades? 08:01 VanessaE idk 08:01 VanessaE ask in -dev :) 08:01 LazyJ I'm reluctant to ask there. I doubt I could understand the answer(s). 08:02 VanessaE try anyway :) 08:02 VanessaE you can't learn if you aren't confronted with the confusing answer :) 08:03 LazyJ Confusing answers are one thing, condescending and snarky answers I don't have patience to entertain anymore. 08:03 VanessaE fair enough 08:03 VanessaE but, this IS minetest, so snarky answers are par for the course 08:04 LazyJ Unfortunately. 08:04 LazyJ That's one of the reasons I value input from you and Sokomine. 08:06 VanessaE thanks :) 08:06 VanessaE of course half my responses on any given day might be smartassed ;) 08:08 alket how long did it take from 0.4.10 to 0.4.11 ? 08:09 LazyJ About 5 months. 08:09 LazyJ Some releases have been short while others quite long. 0.4.9 was one of the longest, iirc. 08:10 LazyJ Though, that depends on if you are going from stable release to stable release or if you are upgrading with unstable releases along the way. 08:11 VanessaE 0.4.11->0.4.12 is one of the shortest 08:11 alket what about 0.5 08:11 VanessaE 0.5.x is not yet planned. 08:12 VanessaE (no one can seem to agree to just DO it, maybe? I dunno) 08:12 LazyJ It looks like the devs are going to go by 0.4.11, 0.4.12, 0.4.13, 0.4.14, etc. 08:14 LazyJ So long as there is steady progress in development and releases. 0.4.x or 0.5.x or A.B.C. or pancake.syrup.coffee - whatever method to mark progression is used. 08:19 LazyJ Pancake.syryp.coffee with a patch of hashbrowns.bacon.scrambled_eggs is a release that would hit the spot right now. 08:19 * LazyJ has the late-night munchies again. 08:28 VanessaE LazyJ, you're killin' me... 08:32 LazyJ ;)- 09:06 mazal Hi everyone , is server step 0.1 the fastest setting ? 09:09 Megaf Nope 09:10 Megaf if you and all your players have a ultra fast internet and more than ultra fast CPU you can use like 0.05 09:10 mazal I'm on 100mb lan , would that work ? 09:25 Megaf mazal: on a local network you can put 0.05 09:26 Megaf but you wont actually feel much diffference 09:27 mazal k thanx 10:01 alket http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-31296419 10:04 JamesTait Heh. 10:04 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Lost Penny Day! :-D 10:06 kahrl Even worse, there's violence against Turkey in minecraft. 10:06 kahrl If someone uses this: http://www.minecraftskins.net/turkey 10:12 alket lol 10:20 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2275#issuecomment-74047666 13:31 luizrpgluiz hi 14:10 shadowzone Good morning/afternoon/evening Everybody! 14:12 luizrpgluiz shadowzone: hi 14:12 shadowzone Hi, luizrpgluiz, how are you? 14:24 est31 how to turn off this initializing nodes thing? 14:25 Zeno` ? 14:28 luizrpgluiz shadowzone: i am fine and you? 14:28 BlockMen hi everyone 14:28 shadowzone I'm good 14:28 shadowzone Good, whatevertimeitisforyou, BlockMen. 14:29 BlockMen afternoon ;) 14:30 fireglow hi BlockMen! :) 14:30 shadowzone Thank you. 14:30 shadowzone So correction 14:30 shadowzone Good afternoon, BlockMen. 14:30 luizrpgluiz someone has issues where the link has the days of development minetest? 14:32 est31 I'm getting ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found! 14:32 est31 after a crash of the server 14:32 est31 reproducibly 14:34 est31 it isnt the map.sqlite 14:34 est31 I've applied a backup, still breaking 14:34 shadowzone I get that with Minecraft all the timee. 14:57 casimir est31, put some content in your env_meta.txt 14:57 est31 I did and it helped, thanks :) 15:02 shadowzone My ear buds just shocked the inside of my ear! 15:49 MinetestBot 02[git] 04JakubVanek -> 03minetest/minetest: Update czech translation 132630f45 http://git.io/NlkT (152015-02-12T16:41:44+01:00) 15:49 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ngosang -> 03minetest/minetest: Minor fixes in translations 13c7a7803 http://git.io/NlkI (152015-02-12T16:41:40+01:00) 15:54 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Xanthin -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Make trapdoor better visible when held in the hand 13047ecea http://git.io/Nlt0 (152015-02-12T16:51:32+01:00) 16:19 Krock \o/ BlockMen! 16:20 BlockMen hi Krock :) 16:21 LazyJ What are the pros and cons of using Minetest's built-in normalmap function in the Settings tab vs using a texture pack that already had normalmap textures included? 16:24 * Jordach waits for the timeout 16:24 Jordach ecutruin1, you've opened two clients :P 17:38 * Jordach critically useful info with information relating 17:38 Jordach dammit 17:38 * Jordach found critically useful info with information relating to his models 17:50 rubenwardy #1843 18:15 Inocudom I tremble before the nightmare that is about to strike the northeast; http://www.wunderground.com/news/arctic-coldest-this-winter-season-northeast 18:16 Inocudom The icy skull of death will be upon the northeast this weekend. Word cannot describe how bad it will be; http://www.wunderground.com/news/valentines-day-weekend-snowstorm-northeast 18:18 Inocudom The groundhog saw its shadow this year. I'd say that shadow was pitch black, just like Saturn. 18:21 Inocudom There was also a grim cloud in northern Spain: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/spain-chemical-plant-blast-cloaks-towns-toxic-cloud-n304971 18:38 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Add german and french translation for minetest.desktop 13af7f369 http://git.io/N86t (152015-02-12T19:36:02+01:00) 19:52 Mati1 HI all 19:52 Mati1 help me pleace 19:52 Mati1 how to connect with someone by the server 19:52 Mati1 wear is help?? on web site 19:53 ElectronLibre With someone? What do you mean exactly? 19:54 Mati1 whit my bro 19:54 Mati1 on server 19:54 ElectronLibre On a server you run by yourself? 19:56 Mati1 ok i have RealBadAngel online ;) 20:04 Megaf !server Megaf 20:04 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/9, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.11-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms 20:04 Megaf I wonder why I no longer gat 1ms/2ms ping 20:09 Mati1 how connect to same ip adress?? 20:17 ElectronLibre 192.168.x.x 20:17 ElectronLibre You can find these informations in the configuration of your computer Mati1. 20:17 ElectronLibre (I mean what first x and second x are) 20:18 Mati1 77.12.43.39 20:19 ElectronLibre That's not helpful at all. 20:19 ElectronLibre What OS are you using? 20:20 est31 also you can use 127.0.0.1 in theory 20:20 est31 I manage to connect with 0.0.0.0 20:22 ElectronLibre If you want to connect on yourself, use 127.0.0.1 indeed, if you want to connect on a computer using the same network access point as you you have to find its internal IP adress. 20:27 Megaf the command ipconfig on the windows prompt will do that 20:29 Tesseract est31: You can connect to 0.0.0.0? Isn't that only valid for binding to all interfaces? 20:31 JakubVanek instead of 127.0.0.* you can use localhost 20:31 JakubVanek it's part of tcp/ip specification 20:49 Polsaker s/127.0.0.*/127.*/ 20:50 est31 Tesseract, actually 127.0.0.1 doesnt work 20:50 est31 dunno know why 20:57 JakubVanek if you're trying to connect to existing local server instance, what's in the server's console after "listening" (under logo)? 20:57 ElectronLibre 0.0.0.0: usually. 21:00 linuxtardis then i have no idea why it doesn't work 21:13 MinetestBot 02[git] 04t4im -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Bones mod fixes 1375ea7e3 http://git.io/N4bh (152015-02-12T22:10:15+01:00) 21:15 * ElectronLibre just thought "Oh my.. That means I have to rebase my PR >_>" 21:21 MinetestBot 02[git] 04CraigyDavi -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fix typo in survival formspec & create legacy file 13a9137e8 http://git.io/N4hL (152015-02-12T22:18:22+01:00) 21:21 ElectronLibre Can anyone tell me what do when you rebased a pull-request and get conflicts with the new code? 21:21 ElectronLibre s/do/to do 21:22 JakubVanek open file where it mentions merge conflict, find >>> and resolve it 21:24 JakubVanek then call git add on this file and call git rebase --continue. if necessary, repeat these steps 21:24 ElectronLibre And then I commit, push, and rebase? 21:24 ElectronLibre (not rebase) 21:26 JakubVanek after all merge conflicts are resolved git will auto-apply all changes 21:27 JakubVanek not sure about non-commited changes before rebase 21:27 MinetestBot 02[git] 04blha303 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fix download URL 1360520b8 http://git.io/NBvv (152015-02-12T22:25:07+01:00) 21:27 ElectronLibre Done and done, thanks. At least my modifications have been kept after someone rewrote about the half part of the file I changed... 21:28 ElectronLibre Sh*t there are still conflicts... 21:28 Mati1 all ok thx 21:29 JakubVanek after all call git push -f (force because we overwrote history) 21:29 ElectronLibre Oki. 21:30 ElectronLibre I just found that I commited part of the rebas on master, so I removed last commit, and updated my branch, I try push. 21:31 ElectronLibre Just tell me, it's git rebase master isn't it? 21:33 JakubVanek no, git rebase / 21:34 ElectronLibre Sh*t. 21:34 * ElectronLibre rollbacks everything. 21:34 JakubVanek you must be on branch that you want to rebase (move on top), maybe it has one more arg 21:35 ElectronLibre Hey, wait, rebasing master dropping_bones (my branch) worked, conflict solved \o/. 21:36 ElectronLibre It has removed a modification I made that was part of the merged commit (but with some little differences) but it works.. #420 of minetest_game is working again. 21:36 ElectronLibre Thanks for you help JakubVanek :). 21:39 JakubVanek ok :) 22:04 Tesseract est31: Your PR is O.K. now, but I'd like the dash or a underscore between the words and I can't merge it ATM. 22:05 est31 why a dash? 22:06 est31 its /hollowdome not /hollow_dome 22:07 Tesseract est31: Because it's two words. And I never said I liked the way otger commands did it. 22:07 est31 rather stick with one style? 22:07 Tesseract But maybe Uberi has a good reason for that. 22:08 Tesseract *shrug* I guess I'll merge it later. 22:09 est31 great :) 22:32 alket many play from android, installed from Google Play 22:32 est31 and there is no official version out 22:32 est31 its all unauthorized copies 22:32 alket yes, which is a shame 22:33 est31 yes 22:33 alket today I saw it in App Store, selling for 1.5 Euros 22:33 est31 :( 22:33 alket https://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/minetest./id717384883?mt=8 22:34 est31 yea pretty bad 22:34 ElectronLibre Welcome in the horrible truth : most of the players on public servers are kids using illegal, buggy and full-of-advertising applications. 22:34 est31 but its as it seems allowed 22:34 est31 its lgpl 22:35 alket app store doesn't allow GPL software 22:35 est31 not even lgpl? 22:35 alket but that guy is profiting though 22:35 ElectronLibre What about LGPL indeed? 22:36 * ElectronLibre got confused between CTRL+K for color and CTRL+B for bold ._. 22:37 est31 http://stackoverflow.com/a/2145271 22:38 est31 but there seem to be problems with lgpl inside app store: http://roadfiresoftware.com/2013/08/the-problem-with-using-lgpl-v2-1-code-in-an-ios-app/ 22:40 est31 but in theory the fact that they charge money isn't illegal, only that they dont fullfill that requirement. 22:40 est31 and the linking needs to be dynamic 23:41 luizrpgluiz hi 23:57 Inocudom Minetest is not to be our primary concern these days: http://youtu.be/OCdxCcu3s8s 23:59 Inocudom I am hearing fierce winds outside my house right now. They server as a dire warning to me concerning just how infinitely bad things are about to get on this planet.