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00:34 luizrpgluiz hi
00:36 luizrpgluiz Taoki: hi
00:36 Taoki hi
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02:35 est31 ~seen VanessaE
02:35 ShadowBot est31: I saw VanessaE in #minetest 1 day, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 58 seconds ago saying "but what he can do with the download, I don't know"
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03:17 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Fix Android compile warning 66efaaa http://git.io/NnZK (2015-02-12T13:16:38+10:00)
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03:36 OldCoder VanessaE Zeno` compunerd do you happen to have Firefox 35 and a headset with a mike (either regular audio or USB) ?
03:36 VanessaE nope
03:37 Zeno` OldCoder, yes
03:37 Zeno` oh... mic... no :(
03:38 OldCoder No big deal
03:38 * OldCoder wants to try out the free phone built into Firefox 35
03:38 OldCoder Pick up one of the headsets sometime. This looks fun. It supports free video calls too.
03:39 Zeno` phone?
03:40 compunerd I do have Firefox 35.0.1 and a mic built into my webcam... Didn't know there was a phone built into the browser... This should be interesting
03:40 * Zeno` has picked up his headset
03:40 Tesseract WebRTC-based, as I expected.
03:41 Tesseract Google's had apprtc.appspot.com or so up for a while now, but it's fairly basic.
03:42 Zeno` Does Chrome have Emacs built into it though?
03:42 Zeno` I bet not!
03:42 compunerd Is it this, "Truecaller" in the apps section?
03:43 Tesseract Zeno`: But emacs already has chrome built in!  That would be recursive, and the people with finite storage complained.  killjoys.
03:43 Zeno` hmm.. that is a problem isn't it
03:44 Tesseract compunerd: It's apparently called "Hello."
03:46 OldCoder Does somebody wish to try this?
03:46 OldCoder If so, if you have USB headset, a small change is needed
03:52 compunerd OldCoder, Check PM
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04:13 OldCoder compunerd, k
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04:29 Erthome OldCoder are you out here?
04:30 OldCoder Erthome, I have PMd
04:31 OldCoder See PM PLs
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06:17 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Enable LUA_USE_POSIX if possible in bundled Lua b2f3ffe http://git.io/NnAe (2015-02-12T16:14:12+10:00)
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06:40 LazyJ VanessaE, I noticed there is no issue posted on GitHub about nerzhul's network patch. Were the problems your servers were experiencing earlier caused by something unique only to your setups?
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07:03 est31 LazyJ, ask on #minetest-dev nerzhul is online right now
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07:03 jbb da
07:03 jbb hallo
07:05 LazyJ est31, unfortunately I don't have enough info on what happened to be of use. VanessaE would have logs and other insights that could aid in solving the problem.
07:07 LazyJ However, as a server-op, because of those problems, I am concerned and am holding off on upgrading.
07:15 LazyJ Ah. Just remembered... VanessaE used a pull request that nerzhul posted to fix the problem but that "fix" is still sitting as a pull request. Perhaps more priority would be placed on it's review and approval if the devs had info on what happened with VanessaE's servers?
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07:47 VanessaE LazyJ: yes, the problem was due to a pull request, which nerzhul has since revised.  that revised pull has been in place since the last restart almost 24 hours ago
07:49 VanessaE actually no
07:50 VanessaE not 24 hours, considerably less
07:50 VanessaE tit went in around 11:20am EST
07:50 VanessaE it*
07:50 LazyJ Thanks, VanessaE. I'm a bit confused by the way the branches are arranged now. I saw celeron55's recent post on the forums about having a feature freeze branch separate from the main branch. The version numbering seems backwards though. The commits posted  for 0.4.11 seem to be more like fixes than new features.
07:52 LazyJ Time will sort it out eventually.
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07:53 VanessaE I'm not entirely sure what the plan is with the two branches
07:53 VanessaE so I'll just let the core devs hash it out :)
07:53 LazyJ We went through something like this before when minetest_game was split into four or five different sub-game-like components.
07:53 VanessaE oh no, this is different
07:54 VanessaE this is more like one branch for stable development + bugfixes, the other for stuff that's progressive but could break things?
07:54 VanessaE I'm not sure
07:54 LazyJ Me neither.
07:55 LazyJ The engine's higher version number is several commits behind the lower version number.
07:55 VanessaE that doesn't mean much on its own
07:56 Megaf Hi all
07:56 Megaf Hi VanessaE
07:56 VanessaE hi
07:56 LazyJ No, but if I were just coming into Minetest through GitHub I'd wonder which I was to start a server with.
07:56 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf ;)
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07:57 Megaf heya
07:57 VanessaE LazyJ: good question
07:57 Megaf I have finally installed Quassel Client again here so I could connect back
07:57 LazyJ I'm a bit concerned that despite the engine's branch split, things will continue with new bells-and-whistles being added but few persistent problems being fixed.
07:57 VanessaE I would guess "freeze-0.4.12", then "stable-0.4" once it goes out?
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07:59 LazyJ I don't envy celeron55. Herding cats comes to mind.
07:59 VanessaE the way I understand it, master branch is being used as a sort of "staging area" for stuff that's to be made part of 0.4.12 (and presumably pushed to "freeze-0.4.12")
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08:01 VanessaE but since it's in feature-freeze, well, no new features are allowed in :)
08:01 LazyJ So is "freeze-0.4.12" the one to use for server upgrades?
08:01 VanessaE idk
08:01 VanessaE ask in -dev :)
08:01 LazyJ I'm reluctant to ask there. I doubt I could understand the answer(s).
08:02 VanessaE try anyway :)
08:02 VanessaE you can't learn if you aren't confronted with the confusing answer :)
08:03 LazyJ Confusing answers are one thing, condescending and snarky answers I don't have patience to entertain anymore.
08:03 VanessaE fair enough
08:03 VanessaE but, this IS minetest, so snarky answers are par for the course
08:04 LazyJ Unfortunately.
08:04 LazyJ That's one of the reasons I value input from you and Sokomine.
08:06 VanessaE thanks :)
08:06 VanessaE of course half my responses on any given day might be smartassed ;)
08:08 alket how long did it take from 0.4.10 to 0.4.11 ?
08:09 LazyJ About 5 months.
08:09 LazyJ Some releases have been short while others quite long. 0.4.9 was one of the longest, iirc.
08:10 LazyJ Though, that depends on if you are going from stable release to stable release or if you are upgrading with unstable releases along the way.
08:11 VanessaE 0.4.11->0.4.12 is one of the shortest
08:11 alket what about 0.5
08:11 VanessaE 0.5.x is not yet planned.
08:12 VanessaE (no one can seem to agree to just DO it, maybe?  I dunno)
08:12 LazyJ It looks like the devs are going to go by 0.4.11, 0.4.12, 0.4.13, 0.4.14, etc.
08:14 LazyJ So long as there is steady progress in development and releases. 0.4.x or 0.5.x or A.B.C. or pancake.syrup.coffee - whatever method to mark progression is used.
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08:19 LazyJ Pancake.syryp.coffee with a patch of hashbrowns.bacon.scrambled_eggs is a release that would hit the spot right now.
08:19 * LazyJ has the late-night munchies again.
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08:28 VanessaE LazyJ, you're killin' me...
08:32 LazyJ ;)-
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09:06 mazal Hi everyone , is server step 0.1 the fastest setting ?
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09:09 Megaf Nope
09:10 Megaf if you and all your players have a ultra fast internet and more than ultra fast CPU you can use like 0.05
09:10 mazal I'm on 100mb lan , would that work ?
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09:25 Megaf mazal: on a local network you can put 0.05
09:26 Megaf but you wont actually feel much diffference
09:27 mazal k thanx
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10:01 alket http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs​-news-from-elsewhere-31296419
10:04 JamesTait Heh.
10:04 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Lost Penny Day! :-D
10:06 kahrl Even worse, there's violence against Turkey in minecraft.
10:06 kahrl If someone uses this: http://www.minecraftskins.net/turkey
10:12 alket lol
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10:20 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues/2275#issuecomment-74047666
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13:31 luizrpgluiz hi
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14:10 shadowzone Good morning/afternoon/evening Everybody!
14:12 luizrpgluiz shadowzone: hi
14:12 shadowzone Hi, luizrpgluiz, how are you?
14:24 est31 how to turn off this initializing nodes thing?
14:25 Zeno` ?
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14:28 luizrpgluiz shadowzone: i am fine and you?
14:28 BlockMen hi everyone
14:28 shadowzone I'm good
14:28 shadowzone Good, whatevertimeitisforyou, BlockMen.
14:29 BlockMen afternoon ;)
14:30 fireglow hi BlockMen! :)
14:30 shadowzone Thank you.
14:30 shadowzone So correction
14:30 shadowzone Good afternoon, BlockMen.
14:30 luizrpgluiz someone has issues where the link has the days of development minetest?
14:32 est31 I'm getting ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found!
14:32 est31 after a crash of the server
14:32 est31 reproducibly
14:34 est31 it isnt the map.sqlite
14:34 est31 I've applied a backup, still breaking
14:34 shadowzone I get that with Minecraft all the timee.
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14:57 casimir est31, put some content in your env_meta.txt
14:57 est31 I did and it helped, thanks :)
15:02 shadowzone My ear buds just shocked the inside of my ear!
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15:49 MinetestBot [git] JakubVanek -> minetest/minetest: Update czech translation 2630f45 http://git.io/NlkT (2015-02-12T16:41:44+01:00)
15:49 MinetestBot [git] ngosang -> minetest/minetest: Minor fixes in translations c7a7803 http://git.io/NlkI (2015-02-12T16:41:40+01:00)
15:54 MinetestBot [git] Xanthin -> minetest/minetest_game: Make trapdoor better visible when held in the hand 047ecea http://git.io/Nlt0 (2015-02-12T16:51:32+01:00)
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16:19 Krock \o/ BlockMen!
16:20 BlockMen hi Krock :)
16:21 LazyJ What are the pros and cons of using Minetest's built-in normalmap function in the Settings tab vs using a texture pack that already had normalmap textures included?
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16:24 * Jordach waits for the timeout
16:24 Jordach ecutruin1, you've opened two clients :P
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17:38 * Jordach critically useful info with information relating
17:38 Jordach dammit
17:38 * Jordach found critically useful info with information relating to his models
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18:15 Inocudom I tremble before the nightmare that is about to strike the northeast; http://www.wunderground.com/news/arcti​c-coldest-this-winter-season-northeast
18:16 Inocudom The icy skull of death will be upon the northeast this weekend. Word cannot describe how bad it will be; http://www.wunderground.com/news/valen​tines-day-weekend-snowstorm-northeast
18:18 Inocudom The groundhog saw its shadow this year. I'd say that shadow was pitch black, just like Saturn.
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18:21 Inocudom There was also a grim cloud in northern Spain: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/spain-chemica​l-plant-blast-cloaks-towns-toxic-cloud-n304971
18:38 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Add german and french translation for minetest.desktop af7f369 http://git.io/N86t (2015-02-12T19:36:02+01:00)
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19:52 Mati1 HI all
19:52 Mati1 help me pleace
19:52 Mati1 how to connect with someone by the server
19:52 Mati1 wear is help?? on web site
19:53 ElectronLibre With someone? What do you mean exactly?
19:54 Mati1 whit my bro
19:54 Mati1 on server
19:54 ElectronLibre On a server you run by yourself?
19:56 Mati1 ok i have RealBadAngel online ;)
20:04 Megaf !server Megaf
20:04 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/9, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.11-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
20:04 Megaf I wonder why I no longer gat 1ms/2ms ping
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20:09 Mati1 how connect to same ip adress??
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20:17 ElectronLibre 192.168.x.x
20:17 ElectronLibre You can find these informations in the configuration of your computer Mati1.
20:17 ElectronLibre (I mean what first x and second x are)
20:18 Mati1 77.12.43.39
20:19 ElectronLibre That's not helpful at all.
20:19 ElectronLibre What OS are you using?
20:20 est31 also you can use 127.0.0.1 in theory
20:20 est31 I manage to connect with 0.0.0.0
20:22 ElectronLibre If you want to connect on yourself, use 127.0.0.1 indeed, if you want to connect on a computer using the same network access point as you you have to find its internal IP adress.
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20:27 Megaf the command ipconfig on the windows prompt will do that
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20:29 Tesseract est31: You can connect to 0.0.0.0?  Isn't that only valid for binding to all interfaces?
20:31 JakubVanek instead of 127.0.0.* you can use localhost
20:31 JakubVanek it's part of tcp/ip specification
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20:49 Polsaker s/127.0.0.*/127.*/
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20:50 est31 Tesseract, actually 127.0.0.1 doesnt work
20:50 est31 dunno know why
20:57 JakubVanek if you're trying to connect to existing local server instance, what's in the server's console after "listening" (under logo)?
20:57 ElectronLibre 0.0.0.0:<port> usually.
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21:00 linuxtardis then i have no idea why it doesn't work
21:13 MinetestBot [git] t4im -> minetest/minetest_game: Bones mod fixes 75ea7e3 http://git.io/N4bh (2015-02-12T22:10:15+01:00)
21:15 * ElectronLibre just thought "Oh my.. That means I have to rebase my PR >_>"
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21:21 MinetestBot [git] CraigyDavi -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix typo in survival formspec & create legacy file a9137e8 http://git.io/N4hL (2015-02-12T22:18:22+01:00)
21:21 ElectronLibre Can anyone tell me what do when you rebased a pull-request and get conflicts with the new code?
21:21 ElectronLibre s/do/to do
21:22 JakubVanek open file where it mentions merge conflict, find >>> and resolve it
21:24 JakubVanek then call git add on this file and call git rebase --continue. if necessary, repeat these steps
21:24 ElectronLibre And then I commit, push, and rebase?
21:24 ElectronLibre (not rebase)
21:26 JakubVanek after all merge conflicts are resolved git will auto-apply all changes
21:27 JakubVanek not sure about non-commited changes before rebase
21:27 MinetestBot [git] blha303 -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix download URL 60520b8 http://git.io/NBvv (2015-02-12T22:25:07+01:00)
21:27 ElectronLibre Done and done, thanks. At least my modifications have been kept after someone rewrote about the half part of the file I changed...
21:28 ElectronLibre Sh*t there are still conflicts...
21:28 Mati1 all ok thx
21:29 JakubVanek after all call git push -f (force because we overwrote history)
21:29 ElectronLibre Oki.
21:30 ElectronLibre I just found that I commited part of the rebas on master, so I removed last commit, and updated my branch, I try push.
21:31 ElectronLibre Just tell me, it's git rebase master <branch> isn't it?
21:33 JakubVanek no, git rebase <origin>/<branch>
21:34 ElectronLibre Sh*t.
21:34 * ElectronLibre rollbacks everything.
21:34 JakubVanek you must be on branch that you want to rebase (move on top), maybe it has one more arg
21:35 ElectronLibre Hey, wait, rebasing master dropping_bones (my branch) worked, conflict solved \o/.
21:36 ElectronLibre It has removed a modification I made that was part of the merged commit (but with some little differences) but it works.. #420 of minetest_game is working again.
21:36 ElectronLibre Thanks for you help JakubVanek :).
21:39 JakubVanek ok :)
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22:04 Tesseract est31: Your PR is O.K. now, but I'd like the dash or a underscore between the words and I can't merge it ATM.
22:05 est31 why a dash?
22:06 est31 its /hollowdome not /hollow_dome
22:07 Tesseract est31: Because it's two words.  And I never said I liked the way otger commands did it.
22:07 est31 rather stick with one style?
22:07 Tesseract But maybe Uberi has a good reason for that.
22:08 Tesseract *shrug* I guess I'll merge it later.
22:09 est31 great :)
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22:32 alket many play from android, installed from Google Play
22:32 est31 and there is no official version out
22:32 est31 its all unauthorized copies
22:32 alket yes, which is a shame
22:33 est31 yes
22:33 alket today I saw it in App Store, selling for 1.5 Euros
22:33 est31 :(
22:33 alket https://itunes.apple.com/nz/a​pp/minetest./id717384883?mt=8
22:34 est31 yea pretty bad
22:34 ElectronLibre Welcome in the horrible truth : most of the players on public servers are kids using illegal, buggy and full-of-advertising applications.
22:34 est31 but its as it seems allowed
22:34 est31 its lgpl
22:35 alket app store doesn't allow GPL software
22:35 est31 not even lgpl?
22:35 alket but that guy is profiting though
22:35 ElectronLibre What about LGPL indeed?
22:36 * ElectronLibre got confused between CTRL+K for color and CTRL+B for bold ._.
22:37 est31 http://stackoverflow.com/a/2145271
22:38 est31 but there seem to be problems with lgpl inside app store:  http://roadfiresoftware.com/2013/08/the-prob​lem-with-using-lgpl-v2-1-code-in-an-ios-app/
22:40 est31 but in theory the fact that they charge money isn't illegal, only that they dont fullfill that requirement.
22:40 est31 and the linking needs to be dynamic
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23:41 luizrpgluiz hi
23:57 Inocudom Minetest is not to be our primary concern these days: http://youtu.be/OCdxCcu3s8s
23:59 Inocudom I am hearing fierce winds outside my house right now. They server as a dire warning to me concerning just how infinitely bad things are about to get on this planet.

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