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00:37 Inocudom bleak_fire_: You might enjoy these: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=17&t=11163
00:37 bleak_fire_ requires a login
00:37 bleak_fire_ do you have a non-login link?
00:37 bleak_fire_ dotn have acct there
00:38 Inocudom You should be able to just download the file attachment from the forums.
00:40 bleak_fire_ ok will sign up later
00:40 Inocudom VanessaE: bleak_fire_ should be able to just download this from the forum post, right?
00:40 bleak_fire_ i click on it and it asks me to register/log in
00:41 Inocudom You mean to the forums themselves? You will have to register to them then. Might want to register to them anyway. Could be useful.
00:41 VanessaE yep,
00:41 VanessaE well once he logs in yeah
00:41 VanessaE but what he can do with the download, I don't know
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01:08 bleak_fire_ what is the download
01:10 Inocudom It is a few bots that I made for existing Quake 3 player models (custom ones.) Of greatest interest is the chat lines.
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02:07 gnatt Is the goal of minetest to become an opensource clone of minecraft or just to make something similar?
02:11 Wuzzy gnatt: 2nd.
02:11 Wuzzy Actually, Minetest is mainly an engine now.
02:13 Wuzzy some people tried to make games for Minetest which are more similar to Minecraft, but so far, they are all still quite far away from Minecraft when it comes to actual gameplay.
02:15 * Brains suspects that is because it becomes more fun to fiddle with various bits instead of chasing the clone.
02:15 gnatt There is no red stone, right?
02:16 Brains I think mesecons is supposed to be the redstone equivalent.
02:16 Brains (Though not all the way there yet.)
02:17 gnatt So is minetest trying to be very minimal and rely on mods like mesecons to add that, or would mesecons ever be bundled into minetest
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02:19 Brains I believe the view is that minetest should be an engine and that that kind of functionality would be in a mod.
02:20 Brains I suppose technically minetest doesn't even come with a game if you grab it from git..  (Packaged builds usually include a couple of games as a concession to the newbiees.)
02:20 Brains -e
02:23 gnatt So what's the goal of minetest? To try to replace minecraft for the average consumer or just be something neat to tinker with?
02:23 gnatt Hope that doesn't come off the wrong way, just heard about minetest today and curious
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02:25 * Brains would hazard to guess that the answer is both and more.  With a flexible engine and a community of mods, there is no reason why ex-Minecrafters couldn't be happy right along side the tinkerers and the folks making new games.
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02:25 fireglow I'd say more of a tinker-thing.
02:26 fireglow Gameplay wise, minetest isn't a replacement for minecraft, too many things are missing
02:26 fireglow oder under-done
02:26 Brains Minetest isn't even a game without, well, games / mods.
02:27 gnatt Brians, yeah that was misleading. I think I get that now. minetest.net mentions minetest the engine and minetest the game, minetest_name
02:28 Brains gnatt: Folks were getting confused by the fact that the engine wasn't enough to do anything with so a minimal game was bundled in...  Just enough to get things running and maybe play around with.  All the cool stuff is in the various games/mods.
02:29 * Brains usually plays on a local server running the dreambuilder game.  Carbone, technic, and a number of others are pretty popular too.
02:29 * Brains may be somewhat distracted as he's bouncing a cranky server.
02:30 gnatt Might be the wrong place for this, but the dropdown menus on minetest.net are almost impossible on win 8.1 chrome
02:32 Brains Not sure who maintains that, actually.
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05:22 Birdy_ Hello
05:24 Zeno` oh man
05:24 Zeno` I was going to ask them a question. I've always wanted to say "a little Birdy_ told me"
05:26 Zeno` That's just not fair
05:44 Zeno` VanessaE, on VE-S I'm getting 60fps (solid) at spawn (finally). Apart from when sun is setting, then I get 50fps
05:45 Zeno` might have to disable the sun :p
05:47 Zeno` main loop is even sleeping. Not much though... about as much as I sleep lately (0.002)
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06:03 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Remove workaround in itemdef.cpp to enable/disable/enable "enable_shaders" setting d25ff8f http://git.io/Ntxd (2015-02-11T16:02:16+10:00)
06:03 MinetestBot [git] apoleon -> minetest/minetest: Fix FTBFS on GNU/Hurd platform cfca5f9 http://git.io/NtxF (2015-02-11T15:59:58+10:00)
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06:36 Inocudom Bye.
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07:03 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Remove workaround in itemdef.cpp to enable/disable/enable "enable_shaders" setting" f824866 http://git.io/Nqkr (2015-02-11T17:01:19+10:00)
07:08 Tesseract Zeno`: ^ Why?  (please include a revert reason in the commit message in the future)
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07:24 Zeno` Oh, in the actual revert.. Ok, sorry
07:24 Zeno` Anyway, it was because I forgot to update MapBlockMesh::MapBlockMesh() :3
07:25 Zeno` Tesseract ^^
07:26 Tesseract Zeno`: So, you'll re-push a fixed version later?
07:26 Zeno` I did update the PR -- in hindsight the incorrect place
07:26 Zeno` Tesseract, yeah the PR is travis building now
07:26 Zeno` https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2281
07:27 Zeno` kahrl reviewed it also... I guess it was easy to miss :/
07:30 Zeno` At least I know now why the performance improvement was not as large as I expected :D
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07:46 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Remove workaround in itemdef.cpp to enable/disable/enable "enable_shaders" setting c8f60bd http://git.io/Nq3U (2015-02-11T17:45:49+10:00)
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10:10 cabji hi, anywhere i can find info on assigning the numpad keys as controls for minetest?
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10:52 LazyJ cabji, the only way I know how is through the main menu's "Settings" tab, "Change Keys" button but that may not work for all key binding attempts. If you understand C++, you can change the hard settings there. That's about all I can offer on the topic. Good luck. ;)
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11:00 LazyJ I don't suppose there is a Russian speaker here who would be willing to help explain Minetest and standard server rules to a youngster?
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11:01 LazyJ nvm, I forgot that Minetest wouldn't handle the characters.
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12:20 alket how do you get up ?
12:22 alket someone is sitting on the floor and can't get up
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13:33 CWz something is very worng with VanessaE's Vanilla minetest server
13:38 PilzAdam doesn't she run a new network patch?
13:38 PilzAdam CWz, whats wrong?
13:39 CWz http://pastebin.com/Zcy6BBXN
13:40 PilzAdam seems like a network error
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13:42 PilzAdam CWz, other servers work correctly?
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13:47 CWz other server work fine. this seems to be an issue with her server
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13:51 ThatGraemeGuy urgh
13:52 ThatGraemeGuy is there any way I can contribute to nailing my ongoing memory leak hassles client-side? :-/
13:53 ThatGraemeGuy not even an hour running and killed at around 4.7GB memory usage
13:56 H-H-H hey guys can someone point me in the direction of a working beds mod as the one by pizadam doesnt seem to do anything when right clicked on 4.11 ?
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17:01 init http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_​item&px=Intel-Boot-Guard-Kills-Coreboot viva intel
17:02 Calinou already posted yesterday by me, init :P
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17:03 init ah, didn't see it
17:03 init but guessed
17:03 init I saw it yesterday too
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17:19 init I wish I could coreboot with my laptop :(
17:19 init s/could/& use/
17:19 Calinou Libreboot is a better option, if you could use it. <http://libreboot.org>
17:20 init I've a "branded" mobo here, I don't even know the real model or anything
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17:28 est31 coreboot contains proprietary blobs?
17:31 Calinou yes
17:31 * Calinou <news of the day>
17:31 Calinou now you wonder why Google likes it so much :P
17:32 est31 lol
17:35 est31 what are the closed blobs inside coreboot?
17:36 est31 it was a fsf endorsed project one day
17:36 est31 once*
17:36 est31 how can they endorse sth like that?
17:37 Calinou it no longer is :P
17:37 Calinou they probably weren't aware
17:37 Calinou blobs required to make the system function in general… I don't know precisely
17:38 est31 why do they all hate github
17:39 est31 github is far cooler than sf.net
17:41 Calinou GitHub is still proprietary
17:41 Calinou use Gitorious
17:41 Calinou (GitLab.com also is proprietary, FWIW.)
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17:43 est31 when gitorious doesn't run on my computer, I still can't change it as I wish, what have I gained?
17:43 Calinou but you have the ability to install it yourself
17:44 est31 why do I want that?
17:44 Calinou in case Gitorious turns to shit?
17:44 Calinou or it closes
17:44 Calinou that's possible for any Git platform
17:44 Calinou if GitHub were to do that, you have no solutions
17:45 est31 then we can develop one
17:45 est31 or move
17:45 est31 but until then a FOSS platform is dangerous
17:45 est31 it allows to create proprietary software for free
17:45 est31 do you want to support that?
17:46 Calinou there are many self-hosted Git servers, but few of them have official instances
17:46 Calinou <est31> it allows to create proprietary software for free
17:46 Calinou how so?
17:46 Calinou program output should not be covered by license
17:46 est31 I mean, you can download gitorious, and install it on your server. thats free
17:47 est31 but with github you have to pay
17:47 Calinou yes, and you have to give full source code to anyone who accesses it.
17:47 Calinou (AGPL)
17:47 sfan5 partially incorrect
17:47 est31 and that automatically supports foss software development
17:47 Calinou GitHub lets you make proprietary software as long as it is public
17:47 Calinou you can just add no license
17:47 sfan5 est31: you can't have github on your own server
17:47 sfan5 only github (for) enterprise(s)
17:47 sfan5 which isn't exactly the same as normal github
17:48 est31 thats true. why would I want if it already supports my open source project?
17:48 ThatGraemeGuy because maybe you want to host something that shouldn't be public
17:48 Calinou because GitHub may eventually 1) make changes you don't like, 2) go down, 3) go paid for everyone…
17:48 Calinou the list is infinitely long
17:48 Calinou also private projects that are really private.
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17:49 est31 ofc, but then you aren't the only one experiencing this, I mean most github users are developers, the'll code 10 alternatives in 2 months
17:50 Calinou it's harder than you think :)
17:50 Calinou and you might want to run the exact same software for compatibility
17:50 Calinou http://takezoe.github.io/gitbucket/
17:50 Calinou this software is very similar to GitHub, but is not the same
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17:53 fireglow Hi, how can I change the owner of a locked chest? We have the problem that newly placed locked chests don't have an owner set, and are thus not usable
17:54 est31 cheapie knows a worldedit trick
17:54 fireglow cheapie please do tell :)
17:54 fireglow Also, how might I go about resolving the issue? It might have started with installing the morechests mod...
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18:00 est31 where can I find the src of that mod?
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18:05 fireglow hmm, I wonder where I found it
18:06 fireglow ah, yes: https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests
18:06 fireglow but I just tried on another server with no mods but more_chests, the built-in locked chest still works as intended
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18:08 est31 interesting, have you updated pipeworks recently
18:08 est31 ?
18:09 fireglow yes, I have
18:09 fireglow hmm, let me try to copy that to the test server
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18:10 fireglow yes!!
18:10 fireglow that's it! thank you, problem identified! :) How did you know?
18:10 est31 dunno, just guessed :)
18:10 fireglow lol :D
18:10 est31 we still have to solve it
18:11 fireglow indeed yes, hmm
18:11 est31 is pipeworks up to date?
18:11 fireglow yes
18:12 est31 then thats bad
18:12 est31 I'll download those two mods and try to find a fix
18:12 fireglow I could rollback to before this commit: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commi​t/6abed742e865b81b98f0122d86878d53d9283e81
18:12 fireglow I'll try now with ONLY pipeworks enabled
18:13 est31 could you bisect pipeworks? that would be great
18:14 fireglow okay, only mod on that server is pipeworks, and the problem is there
18:14 fireglow this might be related to https://github.com/Sokomine/locks/issues/9 (server crash with shared locked chest and filters)
18:15 est31 could be this : https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=169628#p169628
18:17 est31 trying now myself...
18:17 fireglow hmm
18:22 fireglow I don't know what to do. Only thing is to post an issue to pipeworks, since it interferes with default items
18:23 est31 yes
18:23 est31 I can reproduce it btw
18:24 est31 bisecting...
18:26 est31 first bad commit 6abed742e865b this is master^
18:26 est31 VanessaE, are you online?
18:26 est31 big issue
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18:29 est31 yea, this one isn't called now anymore: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_ga​me/blob/0755a8fa052f94d81e0133d439417d2​b3370a2c2/mods/default/nodes.lua#L1180
18:29 fireglow ah!
18:29 est31 now how to fix...
18:30 est31 either copy the code...
18:30 est31 ok the issue isnt as big as I thought
18:31 est31 the forum recommendation is still not bad
18:39 est31 try it https://github.com/est31/pipeworks.git
18:39 est31 you can do sth like git remote add est31 https://github.com/est31/pipeworks.git
18:39 est31 and then go git checkout est31/master
18:39 est31 faster than newly cloning it
18:43 est31 fireglow, trying it?
18:50 fireglow est31: sec, doing it now
18:50 est31 ok brb g2g
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18:53 fireglow est31: works!
18:54 fireglow I'm also going to try if filters on shared locked chest (Sokomines locks mod) still crash the server
18:57 fireglow hm yes, that still crashes. But that locked chests work again is superb
19:01 MinetestBot [git] ngosang -> minetest/minetest: Fix 'Download complete' dialog in the mods store 704453f http://git.io/N3xy (2015-02-11T19:58:48+01:00)
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19:08 tim_flatus can anyone explain what anticheat protection actually does?
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19:11 tim_flatus Or at least point me to some discussion
19:11 Calinou tim_flatus, it prevents interacting from too far away, prevents moving too fast, prevents digging too fast or impossible nodes
19:11 Calinou it does not prevent noclip and flying
19:11 Calinou there is Lua API integration for every of these checks
19:12 Calinou disable_anticheat = true disables it
19:13 tim_flatus Thanks Calinou
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19:14 tim_flatus Does it cause additional lag?
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19:27 * tim_flatus fails to find any reference to anticheat in lua_api.txt
19:27 tim_flatus nm
19:28 Calinou yes, slightly, since it has to make more checks
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19:34 tim_flatus OK, from what I'm reading - the problem may be that my server is laggy and confusing anticheat.
19:35 tim_flatus Rather than the other way round. I shall try disabling it.
19:36 tim_flatus My worry is that I have a lot of kids using android clients (like multicraft). But that's my problem ...
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19:45 Jordach rubenwardy, JD-BFD is now running at 100% uptime
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19:46 MattJ Updated homedecor, and suddenly a table lamp looks like this: https://matthewwild.co.uk/uplo​ads/screenshot_2049640754.png
19:46 MattJ Ideas?
19:47 LazyJ Are you using Minetest 0.4.11?
19:47 tim_flatus upgrade
19:47 MattJ Ok :)
19:47 tim_flatus LazyJ:  you could at least have looked at the picture
19:47 MattJ 0.4.11 isn't packaged for Ubuntu 14.10
19:48 LazyJ That is the way textures appear for mesh node models that 0.4.11 supports.
19:48 tim_flatus it's in Debian Sid
19:48 MattJ I'll see if I can borrow the package, thanks
19:48 LazyJ tim_flatus, I did look at the picture.
19:48 * Jordach managed to setup a MT server without resorting to installing VNC + xfce4
19:48 tim_flatus Certainly in experiemental, but I think it's migrated now
19:49 LazyJ Unfortunately I'm on a near 24hr stretch without sleep so I missed the detail in the corner.
19:49 tim_flatus Just not the top right-hand corner
19:49 tim_flatus Fair play LazyJ
19:50 LazyJ However, despite the sleep deprivation, I try not to sound so arrogant and condescending in chat.
19:50 tim_flatus sorry
19:50 * Jordach crams more caffiene down LazyJ's throat
19:50 Jordach who needs sleep :P
19:51 LazyJ Make it a quad-shot of espresso, Jordach.
19:51 tim_flatus can you get a mod for it? zzzzz
19:51 Jordach LazyJ, i can't drink coffee anymeore
19:52 Jordach in the next few minutes, you will experience the true meaning of hell: migraines
19:53 LazyJ That's unfortunate, Jordach. When I can enjoy coffee for the beverage, I can make a smooth and mellow brew in a French press.
19:53 Jordach LazyJ, i moved my dodgy as hell VM server to a VPS
19:53 Jordach mmm dat 100% uptime since 11am this morning
19:54 * tim_flatus goes to install more_caffeine
19:54 LazyJ Be wary of the 2015_02_10 GitHub release. VanessaE's servers had an issue with the network update in that day's commits.
19:55 LazyJ Earlier she installed a pull request that fixed the issue, but the pr hasn't been moved into the master branch yet.
19:56 Jordach LazyJ, even thinking about coffee gave me a headache
19:57 LazyJ Heh. I know what you mean about the caffeine withdrawl headaches.
19:58 Jordach LazyJ, i'd usually go through 3 double shot esspressos in a day
19:58 LazyJ I pace myself with a cup or two of water between mugs.
20:00 LazyJ I worked the graveyard shift for a few years. We got tired of the acrid stuff bought from the warehouse.
20:00 LazyJ So me and another fellow (his girlfriend was a barrista) started to learn how to make better coffee.
20:01 * tim_flatus actually thinks organic coffee is easier on  the system
20:01 rubenwardy > Coffee
20:01 tim_flatus I know that's a kind of unpopular view these days
20:01 rubenwardy Rank.
20:01 rubenwardy Tea is for the cool kids
20:01 LazyJ We started with flavored coffees and then learned to craft custom brews in French presses and moka pots.
20:01 * Calinou doesn't drink coffee
20:01 Calinou yet he developed More Blocks!
20:01 rubenwardy #YayBritannia
20:02 * Jordach has had to settle for tea
20:02 shadowzone I love coffee.
20:02 shadowzone I just don't drink it much
20:02 LazyJ We switched things up with teas too.
20:03 Jordach while at my course, the internet had completely failed on a twin fibre line yet my internet radio stream kept going even several minutes in
20:03 LazyJ Don't ever brew tea in a glass French press. The lack of oils caused the plungers mesh to snag and ruined it.
20:03 tim_flatus There is a reason why the french call them cafetieres
20:04 tim_flatus Tea should be made in a warm tea pot
20:04 LazyJ The moka pot is my favorite method of brewing, but it takes a bit more care.
20:04 tim_flatus Hot water poured ON the leaces
20:04 tim_flatus leaves
20:05 Jordach tim_flatus, my method in testing tea is to head into the tea / coffee aisle and randomly choose one box of special leaves
20:05 Jordach eg, red bush, green etc
20:05 tim_flatus Can't stand it myself, but at least I know how to brew tea
20:06 tim_flatus Actually I do make an exception for good quality green tea
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20:31 cheapie fireglow: //replace default:chest_locked default:chest
20:31 cheapie Simple as that.
20:31 fireglow lol
20:31 fireglow oh, wait
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21:47 tim_flatus Is there any way of creating aliases purely for images?
21:48 tim_flatus I think the answer is 'no'
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21:52 tim_flatus But it would be useful to have this confirmed before I open a FR on the engine
21:56 est31 what do you need them for?
21:57 tim_flatus To support 3rd party mods that rely on the way minetest_game is organised
21:57 tim_flatus I reorganised default
21:58 tim_flatus I can (and will) create fake default_book, default_mese_block and default_obsidian images
21:58 tim_flatus But that seems really messy
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22:55 Megaf_ Hi all
22:55 Megaf_ How are things
22:55 Megaf_ ?
22:55 fireglow hey Megal_
22:55 fireglow uhm
22:55 fireglow Megaf_ o/
22:55 Megaf_ VanessaE: you and jp are doing a fantastic work in Homedecor, well done
22:55 Megaf_ nice new mushrooms too
22:55 Megaf_ plantlife is getting better
22:55 fireglow yes, very nice
22:56 Megaf_ folks, if I change my current world's mapgen from v6 to v5 to generate some new land using the v5 and then back to the v6, will anything get destroyed or it will only affect things that are not yet generated?
22:57 Megaf_ Hi LazyJ
22:57 est31 Megaf_, it will only affect new areas
22:58 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf ;)
22:58 Megaf_ brilliant
22:58 Megaf_ thanks
22:58 LazyJ Test it first.
22:59 Megaf_ LazyJ: I like destroying things first, then I test, and then I restore the backup :P
23:00 est31 wow, live patching the kernel
23:00 Megaf_ est31: yep
23:00 Megaf_ I want to know if I can change the kernel's timer with that
23:00 est31 ?
23:00 Megaf_ well, I got to go, I will read the chat later on from Megaf accout. good night all, cya tomorrow
23:03 tim_flatus It's wednesday night and my server is full of players who appear to know how to play. That's a first!
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