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00:00 dacthenextlevel rendered?
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00:03 VanessaE well like, a 3d model of some kind
00:03 VanessaE metal ingots used to be that way for example
00:04 VanessaE the table legs and chainlinks are, still
00:04 dacthenextlevel okay so 3d stuff
00:05 VanessaE yrah
00:06 dacthenextlevel dont they have mutpile things
00:07 dacthenextlevel like mutiple textures for the parts of them
00:07 dacthenextlevel like left_table_leg
00:07 dacthenextlevel im not sure if that is it but thats example
00:10 dacthenextlevel thanks i really apreciate it
00:12 VanessaE my stuff doesn't usually do that, no
00:12 VanessaE (maybe in a few places, but not normally)
00:12 dacthenextlevel i mean with the 3d stuff
00:12 VanessaE with mesh nodes, all the different parts are in one texture file.
00:13 VanessaE one poly for a leg here, a poly for the top of the foot over there, part of the bottom of a molding off in that corner, etc
00:13 VanessaE whatever's appropriate to the model
00:14 dacthenextlevel at the end inkscape is takeing a long time to fhish
00:19 VanessaE it always does
00:19 VanessaE that's part of why I don't use it much anymore
00:20 Acerspyro ?
00:20 Acerspyro What about inkscape?
00:22 VanessaE it's slow.
00:25 Acerspyro ik
00:25 Acerspyro Very
00:26 Acerspyro Open the about dialog
00:26 Acerspyro It shows :P
00:26 Acerspyro Image takes a fucking time to load.
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00:29 VanessaE doesn't help that much of the program is written in python
00:30 VanessaE (as far as I understand)
00:30 VanessaE and uses no GPU accel at all
00:31 dacthenextlevel im looking at gimp now
00:32 dacthenextlevel just asking is it better to use blender then
00:32 dacthenextlevel blender
00:32 dacthenextlevel for the 3d images
00:32 VanessaE GIMP is for images
00:32 VanessaE Blender is for models
00:33 dacthenextlevel thats what i meant
00:36 dacthenextlevel so asking ist blender the thing to make models well then dont i put the images in the thing to make the models
00:36 dacthenextlevel or a copy of the images
00:36 VanessaE you use Blender to make the model, then use GIMP to make the images to put ON the model
00:37 dacthenextlevel oh
00:37 dacthenextlevel i see
00:37 twoelk don't mix a picture of a model for the inventory with the texture for a model
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00:37 VanessaE and then if you need an inventory image for Minetest, set your camera and some lights in your Blender scene and tell Blender to render an image, then post-process that in GIMP (crop, cut the grey background, scale it down).
00:37 VanessaE that's how I do it now.
00:38 VanessaE right, exactly
00:38 VanessaE there's a difference between the picture of an ingot, and an ingot you can spin around and look at from all sides
00:38 VanessaE versus the images that are put on those sides
00:38 VanessaE all three of these are different
00:39 VanessaE homedecor's green and brown bottles are a better example actually
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00:40 VanessaE they have decent models, around which a complex-ish texture is wrapped, and then I took a screenshot of that to get the inventory image.
00:40 dacthenextlevel so i could in thory if wanted to make most items 3d
00:40 VanessaE in theory yes
00:40 VanessaE in practice, probably not
00:40 VanessaE some stuff won't translate to 3d
00:40 * twoelk just recently updated his wine cellar with new homedecor goodies :-)
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00:41 dacthenextlevel allright
00:41 dacthenextlevel how do i decide how small i need to make inventory sizes
00:41 VanessaE twoelk: I optimized that model just recently, are you up-to-date?  how does it behave?
00:42 VanessaE (you'll know if you have the update if two of the bottles have a tiny hole in the neck or not)
00:42 twoelk what model?
00:42 VanessaE twoelk: the winerack model
00:42 twoelk the winerack thingie?
00:43 dacthenextlevel i cant get blendre to open
00:43 twoelk yeah added that, looks a bit out of scale with the rest but adds atmosphere
00:43 VanessaE twoelk: yeah, I had some trouble balancing the size of the winerack with its tileability
00:46 * twoelk decides to visit his winecellar
01:00 twoelk hm, just a few minutes ago I visited the french server and justtest, a little lag but playabble then I connect to VanessaE's Creative and connect, Windows complains about not eneogh RAM and the client crashes
01:00 VanessaE heh
01:00 twoelk what is different on that server?
01:01 twoelk had similar issues in the last days
01:01 VanessaE creative runs dreambuilder, so you need around 3GB of RAM to play it comfortably, because minetest is kind of a hug
01:01 VanessaE hog*
01:01 twoelk always with VEC-server
01:01 VanessaE wait
01:01 VanessaE update your client
01:01 VanessaE there's a bug in 0.4.11
01:01 VanessaE it'll crash in certain cases due to facedir bugs
01:02 VanessaE (it looks like a memory glitch)
01:03 twoelk running Krocks patched version less than three days old is not recent enough?
01:03 VanessaE actually it should be
01:03 VanessaE how much RAM you got?
01:04 twoelk oops, I keep forgeting what this machine has I switch too often
01:04 VanessaE so, how much? :)
01:05 * twoelk waits for sysinfo to open
01:06 twoelk hm sysinfo says none - something fishy is going on
01:07 Acerspyro Zombie computer
01:07 VanessaE damn, you got the machine to run without RAM? :D
01:07 Acerspyro VanessaE: Only relying on CPU cache and swap :D
01:07 VanessaE haha
01:08 twoelk eh? 2GB, that can't be true, I know I added 4 some years ago
01:08 twoelk oh dear it's dying
01:08 VanessaE twoelk: bad RAM?
01:09 Acerspyro No
01:09 Acerspyro lol
01:09 twoelk this needs investigation :-D
01:09 Acerspyro VanessaE: Bad RAM would still be detected
01:09 Acerspyro But would be prone to corruption
01:09 VanessaE Acerspyro: well a bad socket maybe?
01:09 Acerspyro Possibly a bad socket
01:09 Acerspyro Exactly
01:09 VanessaE ninja'd :)
01:09 Acerspyro I thought it before you
01:09 Acerspyro Mentally ninja'd
01:10 VanessaE heh
01:10 Acerspyro Yeah, this is common, dying sockets
01:10 VanessaE time to get the hot glue and a compressed air can
01:10 VanessaE (the former in case the latter fails ;) )
01:11 Acerspyro why hot glue
01:11 VanessaE to block off the socket if he can't make it work
01:11 Acerspyro Are you gonna glue another DIMM slot in? :D
01:12 VanessaE as a reminder not to use it again
01:12 jojoa1997 >:D
01:12 * Acerspyro checks something
01:12 * jojoa1997 sucessfully installed ram into his linux tower
01:13 Acerspyro jojoa1997: Cuz it was hard?
01:13 jojoa1997 I have never seend the inside of a computer before :P
01:13 Acerspyro twoelk: if you're skilled, you could find yourself a new DDR3 socket and solder it in :D
01:13 Acerspyro jojoa1997: wut
01:13 Acerspyro How
01:13 Acerspyro Why
01:13 twoelk cool another tool claims to have found 1791MB worth of RAM
01:13 Acerspyro twoelk: lol
01:13 jojoa1997 and the wires were a mess. I never needed to. It is an old tower from my mom's work that I installed ubuntu on
01:14 Acerspyro ew buntu :P
01:14 jojoa1997 I am happy cause i can run linux and windows simultaniously.
01:14 VanessaE twoelk: better get the screwdriver out then, get things back into normal condition if you can
01:14 Acerspyro jojoa1997: You're not a real nerd!
01:14 jojoa1997 do i care what you think?
01:14 Acerspyro No, neither do I
01:14 Acerspyro Care what I think :D
01:15 twoelk jojoa1997: split personality?
01:15 jojoa1997 huh?
01:16 jojoa1997 Anyways I have elementary os and ubuntu on the first hardrive and debian and mint on the second drive
01:16 Acerspyro Not much variety
01:16 Acerspyro That's all Debian, isn't it?
01:17 * Acerspyro has a sudden crave for iced capp
01:18 Acerspyro (cappuccino slush)
01:18 chrisf that's not a real coffee
01:18 Acerspyro no
01:19 Acerspyro It's cappuccino
01:19 VanessaE a cappuccino SLUSH?
01:19 Acerspyro In slush format
01:19 VanessaE O_o
01:19 Acerspyro VanessaE: It's epic
01:19 * VanessaE faints
01:19 Acerspyro Iced cappuccino
01:19 Acerspyro You need to try it.
01:19 VanessaE damn hipsters ;)
01:19 Acerspyro It's NOT like cold coffee, I am serious
01:20 Acerspyro http://www.timhortons.com/ca/en/menu/iced-capp.php
01:20 VanessaE oh, Tim Horton's...isn't the the outfit that's joining with Burger King?
01:20 Acerspyro no
01:20 VanessaE oh good
01:21 Acerspyro wtf do you get that from xD
01:21 VanessaE um, because they are?
01:21 VanessaE http://www.wsj.com/articles/canada-approves-bu​rger-kings-deal-to-buy-tim-hortons-1417728183
01:21 Acerspyro They're not
01:21 Acerspyro huh
01:21 Acerspyro Maybe, idc, still tims
01:21 Acerspyro :D
01:21 VanessaE I'm pretty sure the Wall Street Journal has their shit together :)
01:22 Acerspyro VanessaE: You know what Tims is?
01:22 VanessaE a donut chain afaik
01:22 Acerspyro Kind of like a Dunkin' donut, yes
01:22 VanessaE BK has been taking a ton of flak over this merger because they're doing it for tax reasons
01:24 VanessaE anyways
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02:08 n4x VanessaE: which VPS provider would you recommend?
02:09 VanessaE I couldn't recommend any specific one
02:09 n4x ah, well
02:09 n4x good night, now :P
02:09 VanessaE night
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02:36 dacthenextlevel ervey time i use blender and it finally works it just closes
02:40 jordan4ibanez Blender is bugged in the latest version for some reason
02:40 jordan4ibanez and goodnight
02:46 dacthenextlevel how do you get the older ones
02:46 VanessaE your distro probably has 2.69 available
02:47 VanessaE I installed 2.73 manually, haven't really put it through its paces yet
02:51 dacthenextlevel i have 2.72
02:53 dacthenextlevel well im getting
02:53 VanessaE 2.73 is current.
02:53 VanessaE http://www.blender.org/download/
02:53 dacthenextlevel will it run
02:53 VanessaE idk
02:54 VanessaE works for me but you surely run a different OS/distro than me
02:54 dacthenextlevel i got 2.72 to work
02:56 dacthenextlevel i dont get blender
02:57 dacthenextlevel i know it's for models but i was just wanting to make textures for allreday made ones
02:59 VanessaE textures you can make in gimp.
02:59 VanessaE or any other paint program,
03:00 dacthenextlevel okaying
03:05 Acerspyro gimp plz
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03:52 sofar Can I spawn a sheep easily with mobf?
03:52 sofar the documentation is... nonexistant
03:59 * ShadowNinja wrote a sqrt() function that compares well with the stdlib function (speed and accuracy wise) both take 1-4us for most numbers: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9791219/
04:00 gregorycu Who do you think you are
04:00 gregorycu John Carmack?
04:01 gregorycu Use newtons method bro
04:01 gregorycu Faster convergance
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04:05 ShadowNinja gregorycu: I just threw something together for fun.  0 research on computing sqrt.
04:06 gregorycu aahh ok
04:06 Zeno` have a look at glibc's implementation
04:06 gregorycu You know, if you're bored, there are a lot of bugs
04:06 gregorycu ;)
04:06 Zeno` doesn't sqrt use an x87 intrinsic instruction these days?
04:07 ShadowNinja gregorycu: Like?
04:07 gregorycu https://github.com/minetest/minetest/labels/bug
04:07 gregorycu Urgh, over 100 bugs
04:09 ShadowNinja gregorycu: Oh, I thought you meant in the code I posted...
04:09 gregorycu Nah, I wouldn't deflate your balloon like that
04:11 ShadowNinja gregorycu: I already wrote a fix for the latest (as of a few hours ago) bug and PR's it a few months ago.  I can see future bugs!
04:11 gregorycu You're quite a ninja
04:11 ShadowNinja Yep, still latest.
04:11 ShadowNinja :-D
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04:16 Zeno` ShadowNinja, I don't think your version is complicated enough
04:17 Zeno` https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=bl​ob;f=sysdeps/ieee754/flt-32/e_sqrtf.c;h=c022​06ac0154b7aac16005173a038a42eaf8a9c4;hb=HEAD
04:18 ShadowNinja Heh.
04:19 gregorycu Is there seriously not an instruction for sqrt?
04:20 Zeno` I think there is. that ieee754 stuff is there for machines without it (i *think*)
04:20 Zeno` I write these kind of functions every once in a while as well. I have a sqrt() somewhere
04:20 Zeno` and a sin()
04:20 Zeno` heh
04:20 Zeno` moments of boredome
04:20 Zeno` boredom*
04:21 Zeno` LOL https://github.com/Zeno-/s​nippets/blob/master/sine.c
04:21 Zeno` really, really, bored
04:21 * Zeno` hunts for sqrt
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04:22 Zeno` I have a much faster sin() function as well
04:22 Zeno` can't find it :/
04:22 VanessaE ask a pastor, he'll help y.... oh wait
04:23 Zeno` where is my fast sin()!
04:23 Zeno` VanessaE, did you take it?
04:23 VanessaE nope
04:24 * VanessaE digs through her box of spare functions
04:24 VanessaE wait, I think ....
04:24 VanessaE oh hey
04:24 VanessaE here's a spare cos()
04:24 chrisf gregorycu: there not only is a sqrt instruction, but it's about 1/10th the cost of a single LLC miss.
04:24 Zeno` I can't find all my Project Euler src code either :-o
04:26 Zeno` this is a disaster beyond comprehension
04:28 Zeno` I have a backup of glibc-2.18, though. That's handy :/
04:36 * Zeno` has written a version of is_leap_year() that compares well with other methods. Speed-wise it's slower than almost any other implementation out there
04:36 Zeno` http://codepad.org/NfGrxYYW
04:36 Zeno` it's darn elegant though!
04:37 VanessaE I think I remember this code
04:38 VanessaE (you showed it once before I think)
04:39 Zeno` I will build it one day
04:39 Zeno` I mean build it with real cogs
04:40 VanessaE in LEGO!
04:40 TriBlade9 YUS
04:40 Zeno` I've also implemented: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A​ncient_Egyptian_multiplication
04:40 VanessaE well wait, is there a 25-tooth gear in LEGO?
04:40 TriBlade9 Lego and chopsticks
04:40 Zeno` It compares well with other functions as well
04:41 Zeno` where is all my stupid code
04:41 TriBlade9 There's a 24 tooth gear
04:41 Zeno` might have to make a custom lego gear
04:41 VanessaE TriBlade9: yep, I know
04:42 VanessaE Zeno`: that method looks like what I do while translating decimal to binary by hand
04:42 Zeno` someone will have a 3d printer
04:42 Zeno` VanessaE, Ancient Egyptians didn't know binary. And you're not an Ancient Egyptian (are you?)
04:42 VanessaE Zeno`: nope
04:42 Zeno` maybe you are
04:43 TriBlade9 Moment of truth...
04:43 Zeno` and just don't know it
04:43 VanessaE but looking at the list of steps given at the start of the article, that's exactly what I do.
04:43 VanessaE weird.
04:43 VanessaE maybe they just didn't know that they knew binary? :)
04:44 Zeno` maybe you just didn't know that you're ancient pharaoh
04:44 VanessaE hah!
04:45 Zeno` I should collect all these old methods
04:45 Zeno` and make an ancientmath.h
04:45 VanessaE TriBlade9: moment of truth.......3d-printing a 25-tooth gear? :)
04:45 Zeno` I could petition the C Standard Committee to add it
04:46 TriBlade9 Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
04:46 Zeno` what?
04:46 TriBlade9 Well, I suppose not, you can know something before it's defined.
04:47 Zeno` These need to be standardised!
04:47 Zeno` otherwise we'll have people reinventing the ancient methods
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04:49 Zeno` 10^6 looks happy
04:49 Zeno` http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/Ancien​t-Africa/mad_ancient_egypt_arith.html
04:49 Zeno` 10^2 looks like debian
04:50 Zeno` 10^3 is... bizarre. I wonder if that's accurate
04:54 Zeno` I seem to have a habit of putting people to sleep
04:54 TriBlade9 ZzZZZZZzzzzz
04:55 TriBlade9 Oh, Zeno`, I did convert it to ints and fix the formatting. Is it good now?
04:56 Zeno` That looks more like what we were talking about yesterday, yeah
04:57 Zeno` I don't like the function name though :p
04:57 Zeno` (float)ratio/255.0f      <--- you don't need that cast
04:57 VanessaE actually I'm quite awake
04:57 gregorycu or the 0
04:57 Zeno` but I guess it can't hurt being left there
04:58 Zeno` actually i prefer 255.0f over 255.f :P
04:58 Zeno` have you got any screenshots, TriBlade9?
04:58 TriBlade9 Screenshots of what Zeno`?
04:59 TriBlade9 My clothing mod which uses colorize?
04:59 Zeno` some "tinted" stuff
04:59 Zeno` I guess so. I just want to see what the results look like :)
04:59 TriBlade9 Sure, but I doubt it would be very noticable what changes were made x]
05:00 TriBlade9 gimme a sec
05:01 TriBlade9 https://lut.im/66Zy7DCO/LNYphHOD
05:01 TriBlade9 Dark red vest, red belt, yellow tie, light red headband (invisible)
05:01 TriBlade9 All from white/grey base images
05:02 Zeno` very nice
05:02 Zeno` I wanna see his headband
05:03 TriBlade9 Pfft
05:03 TriBlade9 It's like a belt, on his head
05:03 TriBlade9 Under the hair
05:03 Zeno` lol
05:03 Zeno` who puts a belt on their head?
05:03 Zeno` I suppose you would if you wanted to hold your feather in place
05:04 Zeno` Anyway, I'm ok with it if others are as well
05:04 Zeno` it's fully backwards compatible now, so I don't see any major issues/hurdles
05:13 gregorycu Zeno`: You should totally check out my PR bro
05:14 gregorycu It's "fully sick"
05:15 VanessaE gregorycu: that's not enough code - it's too simple for a 33% gain.  it has to be more complex than that. :)
05:17 gregorycu You should see what I've got in the works
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05:25 IAmHenryThe8th Where can I find the item strings for Mesecons?
05:25 Zeno` where is the awesome PR? :)
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06:10 ssieb is there a way to change the logfile location/name from the config file or is it only possible as a command line parameter?
06:10 ssieb I'm referring to the debug.txt file
06:11 ssieb the problem is that I'm running two servers on the same computer so the output is mixed in the file
06:13 TriBlade9 Beginning a tad of work on a Java-based voxel engine again.
06:14 VanessaE ssieb: I use a command line param to do it.
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06:27 ssieb VanessaE: I saw that option, but I was hoping it could be done in the config file...
06:27 ssieb otherwise, I have to modify the systemd service file
06:28 compunerd Is anyone interested in playing on a moontest server with technic? I'm working on one now and would like some feedback...
06:29 sofar ssieb: have you tried creating a minetest@.service that is instantiated? That way you can have 1 unit for multiple files, and put WorkingDirectory=/path/to/minetest/worlds/%I
06:29 sofar ssieb: that way the output debug log file sticks in each world's folder
06:31 ssieb sofar: I use Fedora and it's packaged like that.
06:31 ssieb the command in the service file is: /usr/bin/minetestserver --config /etc/minetest/%i.conf --port $PORT --map-dir /var/lib/minetest/%i/
06:32 ssieb is WorkingDirectory different than map-dir?
06:32 sofar WorkingDirectory even present in there?
06:33 ssieb is that a config option or command line option?
06:33 ssieb I don't see it in the config file
06:33 sofar http://www.freedesktop.org/softwa​re/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html
06:34 sofar WorkingDirectory=
06:34 sofar Takes an absolute directory path. Sets the working directory for executed processes. If not set, defaults to the root directory when systemd is running as a system instance and the respective user's home directory if run as user.
06:34 ssieb oh, the systemd one
06:34 VanessaE er, Minetest doesn't use systemd as far as I know?
06:35 sofar it doesn't need to
06:35 sofar systemd uses minetest
06:35 ssieb systemd is what starts the minetest server
06:35 VanessaE not on my systems
06:35 VanessaE I start it manually.
06:35 VanessaE fuck systemd.
06:35 ssieb sofar: I don't think the working directory affects where minetest puts the log
06:36 ssieb oh well, I guess I'll just modify the service file
06:38 sofar it does...
06:38 sofar ./../bin/minetestserver --config server.conf --world .
06:38 sofar debug log ends up in the world folder
06:38 sofar that's how I run it
06:39 ssieb hmm, ok, but either way I have to modify the file :-)
06:41 sofar cp it to /etc/systemd/system and edit it there
06:41 sofar that way fedora won't overwrite your files
06:41 sofar that way fedora won't overwrite your modified files
06:41 ssieb yes
06:44 TriBlade9 Looking at a reference implementation for greedy meshing, suddenly realize that the creator generated a new mesh and geometry for each face. Wat.
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06:52 TriBlade9 because hail satan I suppose -_-
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07:01 sofar is there a way to make 'mg' and 'moretrees' work together?
07:02 VanessaE they already do I thought?
07:02 sofar I only see mg generated terrain
07:02 sofar no moretrees anywhere
07:02 sofar uh
07:02 VanessaE got plants_lib installed?
07:02 sofar I guess there's some moretrees lag
07:02 sofar nah, it works
07:02 VanessaE oh ok
07:03 sofar just took 5 minutes before I saw anything
07:03 VanessaE strange, it must be generating the slow-growing saplings instead of instant-growing mode.
07:03 * VanessaE shrugs
07:03 sofar no, I have that turned off
07:03 sofar moretrees.spawn_saplings»       »       = false
07:04 VanessaE well that's a moretrees/plants_lib setting, I don't know if mg honors it
07:04 sofar I'm looking to a village and it just has default trees
07:04 sofar but I can see moretrees planting stuff around it now
07:04 sofar it's going very slow :)
07:05 VanessaE ok, then mg doesn't honor that setting :)
07:05 VanessaE it likely generated moretrees' saplings around the map
07:06 sofar string "plants_lib" not found in mg
07:06 sofar more work for you ;)
07:07 VanessaE nope.avi
07:07 VanessaE mg has its own biome api
07:07 VanessaE it doesn't need plants_lib :)
07:08 VanessaE if it's generating moretrees saplings, that just means it needs some minor adaptation is all
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07:14 jordan4ibanez I hate programming while sick
07:14 gregorycu I know how ya feel
07:14 gregorycu I've been programming on 0 hours sleep
07:15 TriBlade9 I feel ya jordan4ibanez.
07:15 TriBlade9 What do you have?
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07:16 sofar setting moretrees.spawn_saplings = true seems to have helped
07:17 jordan4ibanez I have no idea, but it's been keeping me in bed all day
07:18 gregorycu If I copy my minetest directory, will git work properly, and can I have two going at once?
07:19 VanessaE sofar: if it's set to true, *normally* it spawns a type of sapling that starts growing in 10-15 seconds
07:19 VanessaE I gotta wonder why mg is spawning the slow-growing kind instead of just directly spawning the trees in the 'false' case.
07:19 sofar it's just growing it's own trees
07:19 sofar is my bet
07:20 * VanessaE shrugs
07:20 sofar I don't see mg grow any saplings at all
07:20 VanessaE mg has some decent tree models anyway so it's not like moretrees adds all that much :)
07:20 sofar euh
07:20 sofar disagree :D
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07:37 TriBlade9 Woot, greedy meshing system is working :D
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07:39 gregorycu What is greedy meshing?
07:40 TriBlade9 It merges voxels of the same type into a single face, providing a smaller mesh
07:40 VanessaE OH
07:40 gregorycu I was going to implement exactly that...
07:40 VanessaE I believe hmmmm has been wanting that
07:40 TriBlade9 Oh, I'm not writing it for Minetest. x]
07:40 VanessaE oh. :(
07:41 TriBlade9 I couldn't do it in C++ if I wanted to, definately not performantly.
07:41 gregorycu Oh excellent, i can still write it then
07:41 TriBlade9 Oke :)
07:41 gregorycu Doesn't have to be that performant
07:41 VanessaE guess you have to borrow her algorithm then :P
07:41 gregorycu Mesh generation happens on a different thread
07:41 gregorycu TriBlade9 is a "her" then
07:41 TriBlade9 Use Mylkoselivkisnowretk or whatever's algorithm
07:41 TriBlade9 I'm not a her...
07:41 VanessaE oh sorry
07:41 VanessaE I remembered wrong
07:42 TriBlade9 Yeah...
07:42 TriBlade9 O-o
07:42 VanessaE meh
07:42 gregorycu Is Mylkoselivkisnowretk even close to correct spelling
07:42 TriBlade9 Not at all
07:42 VanessaE anyway, there'll be an algorithm to borrow  it seems :)
07:42 TriBlade9 there's some M, y,s and o,s in there somewhere
07:42 TriBlade9 https://github.com/mikolalysenko/greedy-mesher
07:43 TriBlade9 http://0fps.wordpress.com/2012/​07/07/meshing-minecraft-part-2/
07:43 VanessaE HEY, that looks like HDX grass!
07:44 TriBlade9 All grass looks like HDX grass. (Trufax)
07:44 VanessaE heh
07:44 VanessaE it might be the same image but it's not tileable :)
07:45 gregorycu ...
07:45 gregorycu Remember when I said I'd lost my shit if someone fucked up these calculations
07:45 gregorycu lose
07:45 VanessaE yes?
07:45 gregorycu Well get ready
07:46 TriBlade9 Time to lost shit?
07:46 VanessaE uh oh
07:46 gregorycu FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
07:46 VanessaE wait
07:46 VanessaE to whom is it directed?
07:46 TriBlade9 *puts on shit-proof clothes*
07:46 TriBlade9 Somebody VanessaE, somebody.
07:46 * VanessaE grabs the hip-boots...
07:47 gregorycu This is my fault
07:47 gregorycu I should have just copied the existing algo
07:47 TriBlade9 What algorithm are you working on anyways?
07:48 gregorycu lol
07:48 gregorycu Strangely enough, the mesh generation algo
07:49 TriBlade9 Oh? What are you triing to do to it? (cwutididther)
07:49 gregorycu Make it faster by eliminating redundant calculations
07:50 jordan4ibanez Goodnight
07:50 gregorycu Goodnight
07:50 TriBlade9 Night jordy, get well soon
07:50 gregorycu It's just me and the girls now
07:50 TriBlade9 I am not a girl, I am a grill. Get it right. (A hot grill at that)
07:54 gregorycu What is a grill
07:57 * sfan5 puts an ice cube onto TriBlade9's head
08:03 TriBlade9 Nononono
08:03 TriBlade9 I only want meat on me. And maybe barbecue sauce.
08:04 VanessaE too late.  you got ice. :)
08:04 air and grease
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08:04 TriBlade9 gregorycu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/common​s/thumb/0/08/Grilling.jpg/250px-Grilling.jpg
08:05 gregorycu Yeah, I got that
08:05 * sfan5 throws some 肉 in TriBlade9's direction
08:05 gregorycu So, you like to warm up sausages?
08:05 TriBlade9 Yeah, I like sausages.
08:06 air https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1508 <-- why is that not a bug?
08:08 TriBlade9 sfan5 wo yao wu ge xian rou (IDK the word for cut/slice) zai wo shang
08:08 TriBlade9 *wo de shang
08:08 sfan5 *puts into google translate*
08:09 TriBlade9 Wtf. The minetest forums have an adbot that just advertised Avast Antivirus?
08:09 sfan5 "I want no one on my first meat bold"
08:09 sfan5 sounds about right
08:09 TriBlade9 sfan5, the tones matter a lot
08:10 sfan5 i blame google
08:10 TriBlade9 "I want five pork (?) on my top (on top of me)
08:10 TriBlade9 "
08:10 sfan5 google suggested something with five
08:10 gregorycu So, looking at VoxelArea::index we appear to invert x and z
08:10 * sfan5 throws some more 肉 in TriBlade9's direction
08:11 * TriBlade9 pork bounces of my side and falls onto the grass. What a waste.
08:11 air sfan5: how come you removed the bug label on that?
08:11 sfan5 air: i added the "low-priority bug" label
08:11 sfan5 but ShadowNinja removed it
08:12 air it should be high priority
08:12 * sfan5 lightly places 5 pieces of 肉 on TriBlade9
08:12 sfan5 air: nobody of the core devs could reproduce this reliably
08:12 air do they run linux?
08:12 VanessaE sfan5: try installing jeija's trampolines
08:12 VanessaE that's one way to do it
08:13 TriBlade9 Oh yesh, I love the dripping liquids onto my hotness. Yes, cook my sweet juicy pieces of meat.
08:13 TriBlade9 Okay, enough of that, getting too weird.
08:13 sfan5 ^
08:13 VanessaE TriBlade9: quite so.
08:13 air I was told it only happens on the linux client
08:14 sfan5 VanessaE: i might try that later
08:14 VanessaE sfan5: I don't know if the glitch still exists, but there was a way a long time ago to send a player off into nevernever land by bouncing them between two trampolines set to their highest "power" level (punch to set them)
08:19 ShadowNinja sfan5: I replaced "low-prio bug" with "low-prio" + "bug", but I apparently missed some.
08:20 air I get that bug a lot, and I know others who also get it, all running linux
08:21 TriBlade9 bbl
08:23 air an easy fix would be to check coordinates when setting player position and ignore them if any are infinite
08:23 VanessaE I'd personally prefer the values be capped.
08:24 VanessaE I don't usually care for silent errors
08:24 air but ignore if above cap
08:24 VanessaE of course WHY the player ended up at X+-inf in the first place is a different matter
08:24 VanessaE X=*
08:25 air it doesn't fix the collision issue that sets position to infinite, but players would no longer be teleported off the map
08:25 air capping the coordinates would still teleport the player somewhere they dont want to be
08:30 VanessaE thing is, what if the destination is say -240'000 ?
08:30 VanessaE (I've seen that before too)
08:30 VanessaE then the player is again off in neverland
08:30 VanessaE you could just ignore coordinates outside the normal range
08:31 VanessaE but that's a silent error imho
08:31 air log it
08:32 VanessaE I get the feeling that logging it would be insufficient, that's all
08:32 VanessaE and it STILL doesn't fix the problem of why the invalid position was called for
08:32 air you just walked 10000 nodes to find stuff, and suddenly get teleported to infinite position
08:33 VanessaE long walk just for some copper ;)
08:33 air would you rather the bug was silently ignored and didnt teleport you or would rather repeat the walk?
08:34 VanessaE fair enough I guess
08:34 air if on a server you can type /home or /spawn to get back on map
08:34 air but singleplayer might not have those
08:34 VanessaE singleplayer has /home :)
08:35 VanessaE but, point taken.
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08:43 VanessaE hey rubenwardy.
08:43 VanessaE think I'll hit the sheets.  night all
08:43 rubenwardy Hi all!
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08:47 gregorycu I fear this has gotten the better of me
08:50 rubenwardy What has?
08:51 gregorycu I was trying to being some precalculation maps for meshes
08:51 gregorycu build
08:51 gregorycu Didn't work
08:51 gregorycu Well, it was working
08:51 hmmmm [02:37 AM] <TriBlade9> Woot, greedy meshing system is working :D
08:51 hmmmm how did you do that?
08:51 TriBlade9 "this"
08:51 gregorycu Until I realised that the engine stores the nodes in the reverse way that C++ does it
08:52 hmmmm (I know the answer, I just want to know how *you* did it)
08:52 gregorycu (Column major)
08:53 hmmmm I wonder why we need to regenerate the entire mesh when a single node gets modified
08:53 compunerd Anyone here want to try out a moontest world with working technic? Just set it up and need some testers...
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08:54 hmmmm all we need to really do is modify, in the worst case, 12 entries in the index buffer
08:54 hmmmm erm, that was a stupid comment... textures
08:55 air compunerd: what server?
08:55 compunerd pc-solutions.dyndns-at-work.com port 30002
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09:50 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Cheese Lovers Day! :-D
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09:50 mazal It's cheese lovers day ?
09:50 rubenwardy Lol
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10:02 alket just lost a bet on: is minetest infinite , i said it was
10:02 alket ugh, why did you write it one web saying that it is
10:05 rubenwardy Not even Minecraft is infinite.
10:06 rubenwardy It says infinite-world voxel game, which describes the type of game, and then it says almost infinite in the feature list
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10:07 rubenwardy It might as well be infinite
10:07 rubenwardy Except when doing OS
10:07 rubenwardy ordinate survey maps
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10:26 alket rubenwardy: wish i knew that, before i lost 10 euro
10:31 rubenwardy Ouch
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10:33 alket whats stoping it for being infinite ?
10:34 air the size of numbers
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10:42 rubenwardy You would need infinite hard drive space, so we can only talk about being technically infinite.
10:42 alket oh i get it now
10:43 alket but i thought infnite as in hardware space
10:43 air the limit has more to do with the size of numbers, not hard drive space
10:43 alket not infinite on each atom of universe :p
10:46 air you could use larger number types but then it wastes memory and can slow down the game
10:48 est31 VanessaE: If you disable this line, 100% cpu goes to normal. Not the quarries caused that much lag, it were the sorting machine (or their bad lua impl): https://github.com/minetest-technic/techni​c/blob/7d610b7c80487cd7a6e66f55c9c3b1190e5​dfc7f/technic/machines/HV/quarry.lua#L132
10:50 est31 s/were/was
10:50 rubenwardy Yes, air
10:50 est31 I admit quarries have an ugly impl. too
10:51 rubenwardy I was talking about an infinite map potentially
11:01 kaeza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lxdYVIpM6U
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11:19 TriBlade9 Do you ever find yourself so neck deep in someone else's broken code that you want to rewrite it using your own code from a totally different language?
11:19 air :)
11:20 EnB :)
11:21 TriBlade9 Lol. I'm gonna do it
11:31 TriBlade9 Unfortunately my implementation is a tad more involved since it uses a flat array instead of a 3D array, though the lookup time is way faster
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13:34 tim_flatus Is there any way to stop PvP apart from Disable Damage?
13:35 ThatGraemeGuy tim_flatus: "enable_pvp = false"
13:35 ThatGraemeGuy tim_flatus: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
13:36 tim_flatus Thanks, so that's in minetest.conf rather than game.conf - or does it work either way. I guess I can find out. ;-)
13:38 tim_flatus I see the server section. :-)
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13:43 Drangue any HD moD ?
13:50 ThatGraemeGuy eh? o_O
13:53 tim_flatus My first attempt at running a server was strangely successful. Must brush up on my spanish and russian so I can talk to the players :/
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14:19 Zeno` spy!
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14:22 * Zeno` jumps up and down frantically. There is a spy in out midsts!
14:23 Zeno` Probably trying to discover secrets
14:23 Wayward_One lol
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14:23 Wayward_One off with his head!
14:23 Zeno` yeah!
14:23 Zeno` beheading!
14:23 tim_flatus aspy? aspy? who's aspy?
14:24 tim_flatus ;-)
14:24 ThatGraemeGuy there is asspie?
14:24 Wayward_One o.O
14:24 * Zeno` points desperately at the spy
14:24 ThatGraemeGuy :-o
14:24 Zeno` him! it is him!
14:24 Zeno` I see him!
14:24 Wayward_One someone must've forgotten to flush
14:25 Zeno` this desperado will stop at nothing!
14:25 * Zeno` sets up the rack
14:25 tim_flatus The weather prolly brought him in. I dunno.
14:25 Zeno` I will discover his secrets
14:26 Zeno` lol tim
14:26 * Zeno` looks at his iron maiden
14:26 Wayward_One hehe
14:26 Zeno` we shall get his secrets, my dear
14:26 Zeno` aww crap
14:26 Zeno` she is rusty
14:26 Zeno` brb, getting oil
14:27 tim_flatus Wouldn't wanna give him blood poisoning. Naughty Zeno
14:28 * Zeno` captures the spy and places him gently in the iron maiden
14:28 Zeno` speak!
14:28 Zeno` she seems to be shy :(
14:29 * Zeno` puts the iron maiden on the trebuchet
14:29 Zeno` launch!
14:30 Zeno` I just destroyed my front door
14:30 Zeno` but it doesn't matter
14:30 * Zeno` waits until the dust settles
14:31 Zeno` wow, this has been a controversial night for the channel
14:31 tim_flatus Tiles. My world needs tiles.
14:32 tim_flatus No it hasn't ;-)
14:32 est31 Zeno`: can you point me to a specific time?
14:32 tim_flatus It's been a controversial day, o.O
14:32 Zeno` the recent moments and the identification, capture and launching of the spy
14:33 Zeno` it's a more important moment in history than the first moon landing
14:33 tim_flatus Being the utter pedant I am, I have to point out controversy requires someone to actually argue with.
14:34 Zeno` You deny that ShadowBot is (was?) a spy?
14:34 tim_flatus So far the perp has remained silent.
14:34 Zeno` ShadowBot, what say you. Are you a spy?
14:34 Zeno` There we go
14:35 Zeno` if they don't say anything they must be trying to hide something
14:35 tim_flatus OK, fine. The ducking stool it is.
14:35 tim_flatus Burn the which?
14:35 Zeno` yeah!
14:35 Zeno` hung her at the steak!
14:36 * Zeno` cheers the crowd on
14:36 est31 German speakers online?
14:36 tim_flatus drawn and cubed
14:37 est31 #2105
14:37 est31 minetest#2105
14:37 est31 no bot?
14:37 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2105
14:40 Zeno` I think you made a mistake, tim_flatus
14:41 tim_flatus How?
14:41 Zeno` the term is "drawn and courted"
14:41 tim_flatus Not in my accent it isn't ;-)
14:42 Zeno` courted in the four corners of the town or country usually
14:42 Zeno` it's a terrible display
14:42 tim_flatus I know I just find the blood eagle so pretty.
14:42 Zeno` beagle?
14:43 tim_flatus Drooper?
14:43 Zeno` doppelgänger?
14:43 * Zeno` is exhausted now
14:44 Zeno` fine show, chaps
14:44 Zeno` we have driven the spy from the land
14:44 tim_flatus Not surprised. I used to suffer from lycanthropy but I'm alright nooowwwwwwww!!!
14:44 Zeno` I don't like anthony much
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14:48 * Zeno` meows
14:49 Zeno` so is #2105 ok?
14:49 Zeno` I cannot read it
14:49 Zeno` (read the comments)
14:50 est31 sapier said "sieht gut aus" means "looks good"
14:50 est31 I've done everything the commentors demanded
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14:53 est31 Zeno`: thanks
14:53 Zeno` np
14:54 twoelk wieso eigentlich Soundlautstärke und nicht einfach Lautstärke?
14:55 est31 oh ja das ist besser
14:56 Zeno` est31, thank *you*
14:56 est31 np
14:56 * Zeno` idles
14:57 twoelk vielleicht aktive Mitarbeiter für Active Contributors, obwohl contribute vielleicht besser anders übersetzt werden sollte
14:58 twoelk oops, Mitwirkende ist schon drin
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15:26 * Zeno` jumps up and down frantically. There is a spy in our midst!
15:26 Zeno` help!
15:29 twoelk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY-zmJ1VCQI
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15:40 shadowzone Hello Zeno`
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15:49 VanessaE goood morning all
15:50 jojoa1997 mornin
15:51 shadowzone Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone/
15:51 shadowzone *.
15:51 jojoa1997 hi shadowzone
15:51 shadowzone Hello
15:53 kaeza afternoons
15:53 jojoa1997 long time no see kaeza
15:53 kaeza hey jojo
15:54 Zeno` spy!
15:55 jojoa1997 for my college class this semester I am taking a java class. Hopefully I can do a C++ class during the summer and be able to work on minetest
15:55 Zeno` VanessaE is a spy!
15:55 Zeno` hi shadowzone
15:55 VanessaE yeah some spy :P
15:56 jojoa1997 Where is VanessaE I cant see her. All I see is a huge pile of cats
15:56 * jojoa1997 places another cat on the pile
15:58 VanessaE heh
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15:59 shadowzone >.>
15:59 shadowzone <.<
15:59 shadowzone >.>
15:59 shadowzone No sign of a spy
15:59 jojoa1997 Why is minetest so ... catty?
15:59 * jojoa1997 sneaks up behind shadowzone
15:59 VanessaE why not?
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15:59 jojoa1997 why not squirly!
16:01 shadowzone Whoa!
16:01 shadowzone Hey jojoa1997!
16:02 jojoa1997 Boo!
16:02 shadowzone AHH!
16:02 jojoa1997 hehe
16:03 twoelk seems the ponys are fading while the cats are gaining again
16:03 * jojoa1997 is happily knitting a present for a girl he likes
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16:06 shadowzone but, twoelk, that's good.  right?
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16:07 twoelk I'm all for cats, always have been
16:07 jojoa1997 Labradoodles are better :P
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16:08 shadowzone I like dogs
16:08 shadowzone I'm severely allergic to cats.
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16:50 Calinou hi
16:51 shadowzone Hi
16:51 * ElectronLibre wonders who we are welcoming
16:52 n4x no idea but, hi
16:53 ElectronLibre Yes, anyway, hi.
16:54 shadowzone Calinou.
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16:58 Nytram Oh! Sorry, I seemed to have missed that nobody.. Hi anyway. o/
17:00 Nytram I've looked on the minetest server lists and tried to join several of them, but they are painfully slow (I'm in UK on SKY 40mb fibre). I'm looking for a good, friendly, non griefing, non pvp server if one exists?
17:01 shadowzone try digitalaudioconcepts.com 30005 or mtzeno.com 30000
17:01 Nytram Still learning so would prefer a smoother journey until comfortable
17:01 Nytram Nice thanks shadowzone  will do.
17:02 shadowzone pretty much any server with the address digitalaudioconcepts.com is what you're looking for.
17:02 Nytram Sweet.
17:03 shadowzone Those are VanessaE's servers.
17:04 Nytram Ah! Then I've tried them. I've also read some not so nice stuff about some of those servers. Stuff like a lot of vandalism?
17:04 VanessaE hardly.
17:04 Nytram Which I believe comnes under the catagory of griefing?
17:05 Nytram OK! I'll take another look, thanks.
17:05 VanessaE vandalism is griefing, happens on any server.  mine are well-policed in that regard (except "FreeForAll")
17:06 VanessaE the two that shadowzone recommended are likely your two best bets, out of the set I run.
17:06 Nytram Okie dokie, thanks again.
17:06 VanessaE yw
17:07 VanessaE er, misread
17:07 VanessaE one of those is mine, one is zeno's :)
17:07 VanessaE try also port 30000 on mine, dreambuilder creative mode
17:07 Nytram K
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17:23 Xack Calinou: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RG6ytZ95CkI/VL2oora7AqI​/AAAAAAAACNo/gd49WGkBBnE/s1600/cube_craft_2.0.png
17:23 Xack also hi :)
17:24 Xack brb turning on printer
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17:29 Calinou old news
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17:30 Calinou Xack, check out <http://freepo.st>
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17:36 Jordach >clearly not a FOSS based reddit
17:37 Acerspyro lol
17:37 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:37 Acerspyro I like to use FOSS software because I don't like being lied to. And it's easy to lie when you can't verify the code yourself.
17:39 marktraceur Acerspyro: So obviously the next logical step is to not talk to people who aren't hooked up to a polygraph
17:39 marktraceur Or whose genetic code you can't obtain
17:39 Calinou free and open source software software, Acerspyro
17:39 rubenwardy freepo.st has a nice design
17:39 Calinou hi rubenwardy
17:39 Calinou chess?
17:39 rubenwardy No, I'm busy codin'
17:43 Xack huh
17:43 Xack very nice Calinou
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17:45 Jordach oooho
17:45 Jordach rubenwardy, gettin chippy at 6:45
17:45 Acerspyro Everyone's excited just because it has a MT section :P
17:46 rubenwardy Awesome, Jordach.
17:46 Jordach yay
17:46 Jordach i can put irc on my second screen again while playing Space Engineers
17:46 Acerspyro how about automatically uploading MT screenshots to some site?
17:46 Acerspyro just a thought
17:48 Calinou you can automate that using scripts + API, Acerspyro
17:48 Calinou this isn't the game's territory
17:48 Acerspyro ok cool
17:48 Acerspyro MT has an API to upload to sites?
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17:48 VanessaE it does not.
17:49 rubenwardy http://freepo.st/user/rubenwardy
17:49 rubenwardy Added comments to my Jekyll site, took ages. XD http://rubenwardy.com/
17:50 Calinou why did you change the freepost icon :s
17:50 rubenwardy I thought I was changing my profile
17:50 Acerspyro http://freepo.st/user/acerspyro
17:51 Acerspyro site's a bit slow
17:52 Acerspyro Comments aren't very dynamic
17:52 Acerspyro Replies load a new page.
17:52 rubenwardy It has a nice clean UI though. It is fast for me, but I get 15Mbps
17:53 Acerspyro heh
17:53 Acerspyro I'm in a coffee shop
17:53 Calinou I will soon move and probably will have ~9 Mb/s down
17:53 Acerspyro but other pages are fast too
17:53 Calinou currently I have about 3 Mb/s down
17:53 Acerspyro lol
17:53 Acerspyro 50 mbps down at home
17:54 Calinou you should host servers and stuff :p
17:54 Acerspyro Website should be made more dynamic
17:54 Calinou seed torrents
17:54 Acerspyro Calinou: lol no
17:54 Acerspyro 10 mbps up
17:54 Calinou that's great
17:54 Acerspyro limited to 60 gb/month
17:54 Calinou oh
17:54 * ElectronLibre looks at his 5 Ko/s down >_>
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17:55 * kaeza looks at his 5 G/mo cap <_<
17:55 Acerspyro ElectronLibre: Your contract says 5 kbps?
17:55 rubenwardy I would have 80 Mbps down if I used ethernet to the router.
17:55 Acerspyro Calinou: how much do you pay for that?
17:55 ElectronLibre Acerspyro: Actually my contract is a smart phone's wifi chip set up to provide access to the internet [VERY] slowly.
17:56 Acerspyro ElectronLibre: aah
17:56 Calinou 35 €/month
17:56 Calinou unlimited
17:56 Acerspyro that doesn't count then
17:56 Calinou no caps, but slow
17:56 Calinou I'm below average France speed, which is 7 Mb/s now
17:56 Calinou some people have 480 Mb/s down, 180 Mb/s up…
17:56 Acerspyro I think it's like 40-50 Canadian bucks by month for my connection
17:56 Calinou 43 €/month, unlimited
17:56 Acerspyro 50/10, capped @60 gb/month
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17:57 Acerspyro Calinou: Most people here have 20 mbps down iirc
17:57 n4x those networks are expensive
17:57 ElectronLibre Back 6 months ago I had 3Mb/s down and less than 1 up..
17:57 n4x that's still better than me
17:57 Acerspyro n4x: I don't have a bullshit ISP
17:58 Acerspyro ookla says 16 mbps
17:58 n4x still expensive
17:58 Acerspyro average for canada
17:58 Acerspyro n4x: where do you live
17:58 stormchaser3000 i am using mcdonalds internet so at&t
17:58 n4x argentina
17:58 stormchaser3000 !@#$ this is bad internet
17:58 Acerspyro n4x: lol
17:59 Acerspyro maybe connection's ass there
17:59 shadowzone "minecraft is my favorite game"  "get the rope boys"  <-- best forums post ever.
17:59 n4x the only way to have decent connection here is to live in buenos aires
17:59 stormchaser3000 minecraft is one of my least favorite games
17:59 Acerspyro muh, I thought EU had better internet than north america
17:59 n4x what
18:00 Acerspyro q66 gets a really high speed, uncapped connection for really low prices, he's greek iirc
18:00 Acerspyro But Videotron is the best you get in Canada, iirc
18:00 n4x well, I don't live in europe so I don't know ;_;
18:00 Acerspyro imo*
18:00 Calinou he lives in UK
18:00 Calinou he works for Samsung's open source division
18:01 Acerspyro guise
18:01 Acerspyro UK = Europe
18:01 Acerspyro uK is in europe
18:01 n4x no, not ≡ but ∈
18:01 Calinou x ∈ [0; 666]
18:01 Acerspyro evil much
18:02 n4x x ∈ [-∞,+∞]
18:02 n4x there, ±∞
18:02 Acerspyro Can't type dem symbols on my keyboard.
18:02 kaeza such unicode
18:02 * kaeza hugs n4x
18:02 shadowzone Acerspyro, hexchat?
18:02 Acerspyro Btw, the other day I learned that UK keyboard is really close to the Canadian keyboard
18:02 * n4x hugs kaeza back :3
18:02 Acerspyro shadowzone: No
18:03 Acerspyro ctcp version me
18:03 Acerspyro Fuck hexchat
18:03 shadowzone Oh...
18:03 Acerspyro Heh
18:03 * ElectronLibre is quite curious.
18:03 Acerspyro I got something better than HexChat
18:04 Calinou HexChat is great!
18:04 Acerspyro shadowzone: Did you get your ctcp reply?
18:04 shadowzone Yep
18:04 n4x hexchat ain't great
18:04 Acerspyro 00,04Nei, Konversation's better
18:05 shadowzone Hexchat! IS BAWS!
18:05 Acerspyro Nei
18:06 Acerspyro Can you use background colors for chat?
18:06 shadowzone Nope
18:06 n4x you can
18:06 rubenwardy Yes in hexchat
18:06 shadowzone You can?
18:06 Acerspyro I can
18:06 kaeza ,01Acerspyro, Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
18:06 Acerspyro I just did
18:07 Acerspyro 00,04Nei, Konversation's better
18:07 shadowzone -_-
18:07 Acerspyro Saw that?
18:07 shadowzone Nope
18:07 Acerspyro lol
18:07 Acerspyro It doesn't even support background colors
18:07 Acerspyro What the fuck :D
18:07 shadowzone Does this look weird?
18:07 Acerspyro no
18:07 n4x ,04y,09e,06s ,07y,08o,12u ,11c,07a,10n
18:07 Acerspyro It's colored, but it's not weird
18:08 Acerspyro anyways, gotta run back to school
18:08 Acerspyro bb
18:08 n4x ,08b,10y,07e ,13A,11c,13e,07r,12s,06p,03y,10r,07o
18:08 * Calinou knew this would happen
18:08 Acerspyro Baiiii
18:08 kaeza the party doesn't start until...
18:08 kaeza !rainbow colurz
18:08 MinetestBot 4co7lu8rz
18:09 kaeza you suck MinetestBot :(
18:09 ElectronLibre I see everyone is involved in a color battle, great.
18:09 n4x don't worry kaeza, it's still cool
18:09 rubenwardy https://mediacru.sh/neDux4ryOCc4
18:09 rubenwardy Acerspyro.
18:09 rubenwardy oh
18:09 ElectronLibre He is gone.
18:10 shadowzone RAINBOW!
18:11 rubenwardy !rainbow You are a rainbow noob, shadowzone
18:11 MinetestBot 4You 7are 8a ra3inbow no6ob, shad4owzo7ne
18:11 shadowzone I am?
18:12 ElectronLibre If MinetestBot says it, it's obviously true... :/
18:12 shadowzone -_-
18:12 shadowzone :(
18:14 marktraceur !rainbow Hooray for abusing bots
18:14 MinetestBot 4Hoo7ray8 fo3r abus6ing bo4ts
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18:16 jordan4ibanez Holy shit
18:17 jordan4ibanez ,15R11,08A04,15I04,06N04,15B04,03O04,06W10,11S
18:18 jordan4ibanez WUT THE ,01FUCK01,00 DID YOU JUST SAY M8?
18:19 everamzah weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeechat
18:19 jordan4ibanez Quassel chat is best chat
18:20 sfan5 hexchat best chat
18:20 sfan5 netcat best cat
18:20 rubenwardy http://freepo.st/community/Hexchat
18:21 Calinou name your communities properly :/
18:21 Calinou should be HexChat
18:22 rubenwardy Corrected
18:22 Calinou thanks
18:22 Calinou what kind of stuff would you post there?
18:23 jordan4ibanez Bugs?
18:23 Calinou rubenwardy, do you have time for chess now? :P
18:23 rubenwardy \o/
18:24 jordan4ibanez sfan5: What is netcat?
18:24 Calinou http://lichess.org/KeZuceqV
18:24 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: a program to make network connections
18:27 kaeza a cat on a network
18:27 kaeza sfan5, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lxdYVIpM6U
18:28 sfan5 kaeza: meow
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18:30 Krock meow.
18:31 Polsaker !rainbow MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM​MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
18:31 MinetestBot 4MMMM7MMMM8MMMM3MMMMMMMM6MMMMMMMM4MMMM​7MMMM8MMMM3MMMMMMMM6MMMMMMMM4MMMM7MMMM
18:31 Polsaker Beautiful.
18:31 sfan5 http://youtu.be/uBzeHVdI3B0?t=1m9s so cute
18:31 rubenwardy Calinou, HexChat plugins? :S
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18:33 kaeza d'aww
18:34 Polsaker Yeah. HexChat is awesome
18:34 Jordach holy shit its cold
18:38 Calinou http://lichess.org/if17ZGKf/black
18:38 Calinou http://lichess.org/KeZuceqV
18:40 marktraceur Calinou: Good job
18:41 marktraceur Calinou: Want to go?
18:41 marktraceur I could play a game.
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18:43 Trixar_za Hmmm, shooter is crashing my server :\
18:43 jordan4ibanez I don't think I've ever been this eager to find bugs in my code, yet angry that I can't find any
18:44 ShadowNinja sfan5: Not on my pi, nc seems to be just int main(){return0;} there.
18:44 sfan5 ShadowNinja: which distro?
18:44 ShadowNinja I have to use telnet or openssl s_client.
18:45 ShadowNinja sfan5: Arch Linux ARM
18:45 sfan5 same here
18:45 Calinou marktraceur, OK
18:45 Calinou how much time?
18:45 marktraceur Dunno, 8 minutes?
18:45 Calinou OK
18:45 * Calinou plays better as there is less time
18:45 Calinou I'm best in 2 minutes
18:45 marktraceur Ah.
18:45 Calinou http://lichess.org/iZUucVJB
18:45 Calinou here is 8 mins
18:45 marktraceur I'm sort of out of practice
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18:52 Jordach meow
18:53 DaveTheModder Woof
18:53 * Jordach really wants to play around with Kenney's textures
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18:56 Jordach brb somehow pirating the unrelased
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18:57 marktraceur Calinou: Time out? What?
18:57 Calinou yep
18:57 marktraceur I had 5 minutes left I thought, weird
18:57 marktraceur Oh, you had 5 minutes.
18:57 marktraceur Crap.
18:57 * Calinou plays quick
18:57 marktraceur Yeah
19:02 Trixar_za Ok - if it's not allowed to destroy nodes, then shooter crashes the server when trying to get collisionbox
19:07 * Jordach signs I'm a Pirate
19:07 Jordach sings*
19:07 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/t/tIRRGAoCOGB_.png
19:07 Jordach gg no re
19:08 Trixar_za Oh for the love of...
19:09 Trixar_za It STILL crashes if you try shooting something that's NOT destructable
19:09 marktraceur Jordach: What's that now?
19:10 Jordach marktraceur, kenney's unrelased subgame
19:10 Calinou how did you do, Jordach?
19:10 Calinou perspective correction?
19:10 Jordach Calinou, dark fucking magic
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19:12 shadowzone Jordach, Not as bad as pirating illegal stuff,
19:16 Jordach 2 legit 2 quit https://cdn.mediacru.sh/O/OTE6AA6PFaIc.png
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19:26 Jordach gg no re kenney http://puu.sh/eBACB/413c4a012c.png
19:26 Jordach brb node choppin
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19:31 Jordach "Jan 16 20:37:19 <Kenney>it'll carry the same license as Minetest."
19:31 Jordach i have no qualms about making early access textures :P
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19:32 stormchaser3000 XD
19:32 stormchaser3000 http://tinyurl.com/nfxlek9
19:32 Jordach !title
19:32 MinetestBot No title found.
19:32 Jordach u wot m8
19:32 jordan4ibanez Jordach, plz
19:32 Jordach jordan4ibanez, wat
19:32 marktraceur stormchaser3000: Thanks for your valuable contribution to the channel
19:32 stormchaser3000 XD
19:33 * jordan4ibanez wats internally
19:33 stormchaser3000 sorry if that is now allowed
19:33 stormchaser3000 not*
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19:33 * stormchaser3000 slaps self if that wasn't
19:33 marktraceur It's just a bit odd to start off your tenure in the channel that way
19:33 marktraceur Log in, rickroll
19:33 rubenwardy Hi all!
19:33 Xenoth o/
19:33 stormchaser3000 well i am a wierd person
19:33 stormchaser3000 XD
19:33 stormchaser3000 hi rubenwardy
19:34 jordan4ibanez Hi rubenwardy!
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19:38 rubenwardy !title https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=11066
19:38 MinetestBot rubenwardy: [16x] Inverted Texture Pack - Minetest Forums
19:39 jordan4ibanez Linux format just mentioned Minetest on their fb page
19:41 jordan4ibanez "Enjoy this cut-out and keep Minetest/Cube Craft paper Richard Stallman. You're welcome. Now, can someone wire up a Pi and get it to bark GNU/Linux every time someone says Linux in the office..."
19:41 jordan4ibanez And it's for this lol http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RG6ytZ95CkI/VL2oora7AqI​/AAAAAAAACNo/gd49WGkBBnE/s1600/cube_craft_2.0.png
19:43 jordan4ibanez Someone should make a mod where you can craft a statue, and every time someone mentions "linux" in the chat it emits a barking sound hahahaha
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19:46 rubenwardy Jordach, it is rather rude to extract the textures
19:46 Jordach "Jan 16 20:37:19 <Kenney>        it'll carry the same license as Minetest."
19:47 marktraceur Jordach: Promise of future licensing is not the same as licensing
19:47 Jordach marktraceur, but. do said textures exist elsewhere
19:47 marktraceur I don't know
19:48 marktraceur Jordach: What license was the screenshot released under?
19:48 Jordach marktraceur, Imgur.com's silly license :P
19:48 marktraceur Then not cool
19:48 Jordach (then not sure about puu.sh
19:51 rubenwardy )
19:51 rubenwardy #OCD
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20:09 Jordach WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
20:09 Jordach UK confirmed to have legal safeguards for Net Neutrality
20:15 Brains Jordach: Curiosity impels...  Linkage?
20:15 Jordach http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/input_device​s/uk_internet_providers_embrace_net_neutrality/1
20:15 Jordach (ish, but puts the US to shame)
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20:19 Brains Jordach: Er, that is a voluntary industry code...  And if you'd like to read it flexibly, Comcast/TWC would both claim to be following the spirit of that code.
20:21 Jordach Brains, my ass are they
20:21 Jordach (my torrents and steam have gone on since 2012 and BT haven't once slowed me down)
20:25 Brains Jordach: I'm not claiming they are nice neutral folks, I'm claiming that a slim fig leaf isn't a proper substitute for a hazmat suit....  (And you can find plenty of folks in the US in various spots that aren't running into torrent trouble either.  Anecdotes, not data.)
20:26 Jordach Brains, mhm
20:26 Brains brb, kid taxi time
20:26 Jordach Brains, GMT+5 i see?
20:27 MinetestBot [git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #208 from MT-Modder/master aed4d39 http://git.io/ytt2Ng (2015-01-20T21:27:48+01:00)
20:28 MinetestBot [git] MT-Modder -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Use group:sapling for all recipes 1509510 http://git.io/tW526A (2015-01-20T13:28:44-05:00)
20:28 est31 VanessaE: If you disable this line, 100% cpu goes to normal. Not the quarries caused that much lag, its the sorting machine (or their bad lua impl): https://github.com/minetest-technic/techni​c/blob/7d610b7c80487cd7a6e66f55c9c3b1190e5​dfc7f/technic/machines/HV/quarry.lua#L132
20:28 VanessaE G*d damn it jeija, I just updated that! :)
20:28 VanessaE est31: see #minetest-technic, T4im is looking into the root cause of the problems
20:28 est31 k thx
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20:29 Jordach VanessaE, i'm enjoying Kenney's textures ;3
20:29 ElectronLibre Just two lines changed, good, nothing very complicated to update! :D
20:35 est31 cool didnt knew that this channel existed
20:35 est31 thx
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21:21 jordan4ibanez Wow
21:22 jordan4ibanez I just saw a major flaw, I've been using self.position to calculate a lot of things in the trains mod, and I could have just swapped their in world position and direction onstead
21:22 jordan4ibanez Why
21:23 sofar am I bouncing IRC or is my bouncer freaking out?
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21:55 jordan4ibanez VanessaE: Can we test my mod on your server?
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22:01 Acerspyro I was thinking about making a mod that makes a lot of blocks and things in 3D
22:01 brontosaurusrex would a minetestserver default config location be .minetest/minetest.conf or what? (debian)
22:01 Acerspyro Like rails, ladders, doors, fruits, depth in some blocks like chests and furnaces
22:01 marktraceur > things in 3D
22:02 marktraceur CRAZY TALK
22:02 Acerspyro 3d models*
22:02 marktraceur :)
22:02 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: not right now, but maybe later
22:03 VanessaE my servers are ...overloaded :-/
22:04 Acerspyro VanessaE: btw, for map backups, what about filesystem snapshots?
22:04 VanessaE ext4 doesn't support that afaik
22:04 sofar it doesn't
22:05 VanessaE so I just rsync to another dir for now
22:05 sofar the proper way to backup sqlite data is some sort of sqlite dump
22:05 est31 its not sqlite
22:05 VanessaE sofar: I shut the servers down, rsync the entire folder, restart the servers
22:05 VanessaE (and as est31 indicates, it ain't sqlite.  it's leveldb)
22:05 sofar that works
22:05 Acerspyro VanessaE: You could always use another FS
22:06 VanessaE Acerspyro: maybe but I use what I know for now
22:06 Acerspyro It would remove the need to reboot
22:06 Acerspyro VanessaE: You can always learn more :)
22:06 sofar btrfs snapshots may work for you, at least you can make them often, but I don't know if your data is coherent when you snapshot (that depends on the way the DB writes)
22:07 sofar I never heard about leveldb, does minetest support it?
22:08 VanessaE yep
22:08 VanessaE natively it supports levelsb, sqlite, and redis
22:08 VanessaE leveldb*
22:08 * sofar reads the Database_Backends wiki page
22:08 VanessaE provided you compiled support in, of course.
22:10 sofar I should switch to leveldb... might do that tonight
22:10 * sofar at work atm
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22:12 alket is there any installer for 4.11 win x64 ?
22:12 alket my friend is having problem installing from zip
22:13 VanessaE there is not.
22:13 VanessaE just unzip the file
22:13 VanessaE then go into the folder that is created, go into bin, and run minetest.exe
22:13 alket VanessaE: thanks
22:31 brontosaurusrex how do i give tnt to new users in creative world?
22:33 Acerspyro brontosaurusrex: /give
22:34 brontosaurusrex Acerspyro: Acerspyro in minetest.conf?
22:34 Acerspyro oh
22:34 Acerspyro I misread
22:34 Acerspyro "users in new creative world"
22:34 Acerspyro uhh, how about just asking someone else? :D
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23:18 jordan4ibanez Hey guys, here's a new version https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=9&amp;t=11027&amp;p=168388#p168388 Try to crash it lol
23:23 sofar if I run a -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 server, where do I put mods?
23:23 sofar VanessaE: you would know :)
23:24 VanessaE in the minetest dir, under mods :)
23:24 VanessaE er
23:24 VanessaE misread
23:24 VanessaE in ~/.minetest/mods
23:25 sofar ok
23:25 sofar can I put games under ~/.minetest/games as well?
23:25 VanessaE yep
23:25 sofar excellent
23:29 sofar hmm, I could git submodule make my entire server git uptadable
23:29 sofar up to date able can't type
23:31 sofar I should make sedimentology at least understand moretrees and mg additional ground content blocks
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23:53 sofar hmm, I really don't like the fact that mods are "named" by the name of the folder
23:53 sofar and adding insult to injury, MT complains about "-" characters in them
23:53 VanessaE most everyone else dislikes that too
23:54 VanessaE there has been a proposal in the past to do away with that system, perhaps in favor of the mod name being explicitly specified in a file in the mod
23:54 sofar that's the only solution, really
23:54 VanessaE never went anywhere because we couldn't get anyone to agree to DO it.
23:54 sofar lol
23:54 sofar 15:54:34: WARNING: Undeclared global variable "adv_spawning" accessed at /home/minetest/.minetest/mo​ds/adv_spawning/init.lua:13
23:55 sofar this mod attempts to address itself?
23:55 sofar is the force_load.txt file format documented somewhere? or is there a mod to administrate it?
23:55 VanessaE that's managed by technic
23:56 VanessaE but as far as I was able to tell, the numbers therein are mapblock hashes
23:57 VanessaE this might decode it, if I coded it right:  http://pastebin.com/mtDiYAkw
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23:58 VanessaE (I did this a while ago but I'm not 100% sure it's valid)

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